calling all Democrats

[Guest]

I hope good Democrats in this country will rally and push Hillary Clinton to challenge Obama during the primary. She should have been the nominee in 2008, she is more qualified then our current President and would have been a more effective leader. I am not a Democrat and only voted for one Democrat President in my life (Jimmy Carter) 1976 but would have voted for Clinton versus John Mccain. Maybe it is not too late!

[Guest]

I hope good Democrats in this country will rally and push Hillary Clinton to challenge Obama during the primary. She should have been the nominee in 2008, she is more qualified then our current President and would have been a more effective leader. I am not a Democrat and only voted for one Democrat President in my life (Jimmy Carter) 1976 but would have voted for Clinton versus John Mccain. Maybe it is not too late!

Heck, I would vote for old Carter if he ran again. Anything is better then this empty suit.

[Guest]

Heck, I would vote for old Carter if he ran again. Anything is better then this empty suit.

I think if I had to, I'd vote for Anthony Weiner over this POTUS.

[Guest]

I hope good Democrats in this country will rally and push Hillary Clinton to challenge Obama during the primary. She should have been the nominee in 2008, she is more qualified then our current President and would have been a more effective leader. I am not a Democrat and only voted for one Democrat President in my life (Jimmy Carter) 1976 but would have voted for Clinton versus John Mccain. Maybe it is not too late!I'd probably vote for Hillary in 2012 myself over what appear to be the current GOP choices. I voted for her in the 2008 primary and I would support her again. (I could be wrong, but I've already written off Mitt Romney as never being able to garner support from the Christian conservatives to get the nomination.)

But as desirable as Hillary might be as the best candidate from either party, there's no way she's going to take on someone sitting there with $1 billion in spendable campaign cash in his pocket. And in her case, what she was criticized for back in 2008--getting both her and Bill with one vote--doesn't sound too bad. It would take a lot of work by two skillful people to straighten this mess out!

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I'd probably vote for Hillary in 2012 myself over what appear to be the current GOP choices. I voted for her in the 2008 primary and I would support her again. (I could be wrong, but I've already written off Mitt Romney as never being able to garner support from the Christian conservatives to get the nomination.)

But as desirable as Hillary might be as the best candidate from either party, there's no way she's going to take on someone sitting there with $1 billion in spendable campaign cash in his pocket. And in her case, what she was criticized for back in 2008--getting both her and Bill with one vote--doesn't sound too bad. It would take a lot of work by two skillful people to straighten this mess out!

My guess? I don't think you would vote for any republican, regardless of his or her qualifications. I could be wrong, but that is my gut feeling. I ordinarily would not make such a statement about an average poster here, but your many essays have convinced me that your a closet democrat.

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Hilary would be Obama lite.

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Hilary would be Obama lite.
Obama lite is preferable to Obama.:D

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My guess? I don't think you would vote for any republican, regardless of his or her qualifications. I could be wrong, but that is my gut feeling. I ordinarily would not make such a statement about an average poster here, but your many essays have convinced me that your a closet democrat.Wrong, I would vote for Mitt Romney. I just don't think he's going to make the cut.

I won't vote for Obama. If I'm right with regard to Romney not getting the nomination, I may be on the sidelines in 2012.

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I agree.

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Vote Republican and you won't have to worry about anything "Obama."

[Guest]

I hope good Democrats in this country will rally and push Hillary Clinton to challenge Obama during the primary. She should have been the nominee in 2008, she is more qualified then our current President and would have been a more effective leader. I am not a Democrat and only voted for one Democrat President in my life (Jimmy Carter) 1976 but would have voted for Clinton versus John Mccain. Maybe it is not too late!

I agree. But the party threw Hillary overboard so openly in 2008, as she earned her way up thru the primaries. When the party decided she would not get states she won fair and square, like Michigan, Florida and Ohio---all big, pivotal states---I concluded the party did not WANT the best candidate for our country.

They wanted a guy who has no passion for this nation nor its people, because they wanted a hatchet man....one who would destroy it so leftists could "save" it with more government dependency that guarantees votes.

[Guest]

Oops. I was agreeing with Villagegolfer. Vk's post got in ahead of mine.

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My guess? I don't think you would vote for any republican, regardless of his or her qualifications. I could be wrong, but that is my gut feeling. I ordinarily would not make such a statement about an average poster here, but your many essays have convinced me that your a closet democrat.

Golfer..I have been readng Kahuna's posts for a long time. I absolutely think he would vote for the best candidate from either party. He backs up his opinions with solid research. I think he takes great pains to seek the truth. Kahuna..I salute you.:BigApplause:

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Wrong, I would vote for Mitt Romney. I just don't think he's going to make the cut.

I won't vote for Obama. If I'm right with regard to Romney not getting the nomination, I may be on the sidelines in 2012.

I can respect someone staying on the sidelines then someone that would blindly vote for someone just to vote for his party.:BigApplause:

[Guest]

I agree. But the party threw Hillary overboard so openly in 2008, as she earned her way up thru the primaries. When the party decided she would not get states she won fair and square, like Michigan, Florida and Ohio---all big, pivotal states---I concluded the party did not WANT the best candidate for our country.

They wanted a guy who has no passion for this nation nor its people, because they wanted a hatchet man....one who would destroy it so leftists could "save" it with more government dependency that guarantees votes.

I would have disagreed with you a few months back but there is no more logical reason for the choice of Obama. Ted Kennedy is still is haunting us from the grave, he was the very reason Obama got the nomination.

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I can respect someone staying on the sidelines then someone that would blindly vote for someone just to vote for his party.:BigApplause:

In theory, you have a point. But at this time in history we are saddled with, in my opinion, a President who is the most destructive to our American way of life than we've ever known.

Any person who abstains from the election is voting for Obama. Whoever the opposing candidate is on the Republican side is going to be preferable than 4 more years of socialist engineering from Obama and his cohorts.

Of course if you think things are going along nicely in our country, you might disagree with me.

[Guest]

You remember that Ted Kennedy tried to take on Carter in 1980 and that failed. I don't think that Hillary will take Obama on.
Mitt Romney seems like the best of the GOP crowd, or Newt!

[Guest]

Hillary missed her opportunity. The Dems cannot and will not pass on the incumbent much to their chagrin. I believe we will have a viable third choice for the 2012 elections because voters are fed up with both the Dems and the Republicans. The Dems are stuck with Obama. To date the Republicans hierarchy seems bent on candidates that do not have mass appeal. I blame people like Karl Rove. So when I say third choice I mean that the Republican party primary will give way to a candidate with broader appeal. if they do not then you will see a third party challenge, especially if the Repubican candidate is seen as not serius about dealing with the debt.

[Guest]

Hillary missed her opportunity. The Dems cannot and will not pass on the incumbent much to their chagrin. I believe we will have a viable third choice for the 2012 elections because voters are fed up with both the Dems and the Republicans. The Dems are stuck with Obama. To date the Republicans hierarchy seems bent on candidates that do not have mass appeal. I blame people like Karl Rove. So when I say third choice I mean that the Republican party primary will give way to a candidate with broader appeal. if they do not then you will see a third party challenge, especially if the Repubican candidate is seen as not serius about dealing with the debt.

if there is a 3rd party candidate from right Obama wins!

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if there is a 3rd party candidate from right Obama wins!


I absolutely agree....Obama should hope for that to happen !

From my perspective, with any baggage he may have (which means he has experience..would that not be nice)...my money is on Romney as it was in 2008.

To me, he brings all the right stuff to the table.

But, you are so right.....third party raps it up for Obama !

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When Obama beat Hillary, that was the decline of the USA. If Hillary had beaten Obama, we would not be in this mess. IMHO

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When Obama beat Hillary, that was the decline of the USA. If Hillary had beaten Obama, we would not be in this mess. IMHO

I agree with you 100%.

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When Obama beat Hillary, that was the decline of the USA. If Hillary had beaten Obama, we would not be in this mess. IMHO

How about sooner-like when the Republicans chose to run Mc Cain...

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When Obama beat Hillary, that was the decline of the USA. If Hillary had beaten Obama, we would not be in this mess. IMHO

You're right, except Obama did not "beat" (defeat) Hillary. The party threw her overboard and scr*wed her out of the pivotal states she won like Michigan, Florida and Ohio.

Remember when people used to talk about the invincibility of "the Clinton Machine"? Well when Hill and Bill were shoved into the ditch you know we are in BIG trouble.

[Guest]

One thing is absolutely clear a vote for any one of the Straw Poll Republican radicals would drive this country to the bottom of a political pit. Where are the candidates who have the Country at heart and are prepared to stand up for it. Where are the moderates who take action reasonably, rationally, intelligently and responsibly, not by tenacious adherence to the far fringe of political belief that only promotes an extreme minority interest. I really don't care if a candidate is Republican or Democrat if they stand closer to the center of the political spectrum and have the courage to stay their. Unfortunately this won't happen because the backing of the whole party on either side requires conformity to a political position which pleases the loudest of the party, the extremists. I for one will not however waste my vote by standing on the sidelines, I will vote for the most responsible candidate, and they weren't on the Straw Poll panel.

[Guest]

One thing is absolutely clear a vote for any one of the Straw Poll Republican radicals would drive this country to the bottom of a political pit. Where are the candidates who have the Country at heart and are prepared to stand up for it. Where are the moderates who take action reasonably, rationally, intelligently and responsibly, not by tenacious adherence to the far fringe of political belief that only promotes an extreme minority interest. I really don't care if a candidate is Republican or Democrat if they stand closer to the center of the political spectrum and have the courage to stay their. Unfortunately this won't happen because the backing of the whole party on either side requires conformity to a political position which pleases the loudest of the party, the extremists. I for one will not however waste my vote by standing on the sidelines, I will vote for the most responsible candidate, and they weren't on the Straw Poll panel.

:BigApplause:

[Guest]

One thing is absolutely clear a vote for any one of the Straw Poll Republican radicals would drive this country to the bottom of a political pit. Where are the candidates who have the Country at heart and are prepared to stand up for it. Where are the moderates who take action reasonably, rationally, intelligently and responsibly, not by tenacious adherence to the far fringe of political belief that only promotes an extreme minority interest. I really don't care if a candidate is Republican or Democrat if they stand closer to the center of the political spectrum and have the courage to stay their. Unfortunately this won't happen because the backing of the whole party on either side requires conformity to a political position which pleases the loudest of the party, the extremists. I for one will not however waste my vote by standing on the sidelines, I will vote for the most responsible candidate, and they weren't on the Straw Poll panel.
"Moderates" like Bob Dole and John McCain? No thank-you. I'll take an "extremist" like Ronald Reagan.:D

[Guest]

The GOP's are going to have to find a really good candidate who is middle of the road (not far left like Bachmann) if they want a chance of beating President Obama. Romney has too much baggage, Perry is too evangelical, Palin has too much sense to give up her book deals, and Pawlenty has put his foot in his mouth too many times.

I personally believe the Democrat ticket will be Obama and Hillary Clinton when Joe Biden "decides" not to run based on family time.

The Democrat ticket will win again. At that time I will buy a round or two of ice-cold Yeunglings at Urban Flats for a few chosen conservatives.

[Guest]

The GOP's are going to have to find a really good candidate who is middle of the road (not far left like Bachmann) if they want a chance of beating President Obama. Romney has too much baggage, Perry is too evangelical, Palin has too much sense to give up her book deals, and Pawlenty has put his foot in his mouth too many times.

I personally believe the Democrat ticket will be Obama and Hillary Clinton when Joe Biden "decides" not to run based on family time.

The Democrat ticket will win again. At that time I will buy a round or two of ice-cold Yeunglings at Urban Flats for a few chosen conservatives.

TBUGS returns

[Guest]

I am trying to figure out what "baggage" Mitt Romeny has. Do you mean Massachusetts health care or the fact the we was never a "community orginizer"?

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TBUGS returns

Hmm 3rd post.

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I am trying to figure out what "baggage" Mitt Romeny has. Do you mean Massachusetts health care or the fact the we was never a "community orginizer"?

ROTFLMAO :D:D:D Good one!!!

[Guest]

I am trying to figure out what "baggage" Mitt Romeny has. Do you mean Massachusetts health care or the fact the we was never a "community orginizer"?

I believe Romney now says that the Mass. health care system was a mistake. I know he has backed away from it.

[Guest]

You're right, except Obama did not "beat" (defeat) Hillary. The party threw her overboard and scr*wed her out of the pivotal states she won like Michigan, Florida and Ohio.

Remember when people used to talk about the invincibility of "the Clinton Machine"? Well when Hill and Bill were shoved into the ditch you know we are in BIG trouble.

I agree. I actually toyed with the idea of voting for a repub for president, until Palin was selected. An obvious ploy to attract Clinton supporters. Did they think women are stupid enough to vote for a woman just BECAUSE she is a woman?

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I agree. I actually toyed with the idea of voting for a repub for president, until Palin was selected. An obvious ploy to attract Clinton supporters. Did they think women are stupid enough to vote for a woman just BECAUSE she is a woman?

No, but I think there are alot of stupid women who didn't vote for her because she was a woman. I would think that women would be outraged by the way the mainstream media treated her.

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I agree. I actually toyed with the idea of voting for a repub for president, until Palin was selected. An obvious ploy to attract Clinton supporters. Did they think women are stupid enough to vote for a woman just BECAUSE she is a woman?

That would be like voting for a person of color just because he is of color.

And that's a big part of why Hillary was thrown overboard.

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That would be like voting for a person of color just because he is of color.

And that's a big part of why Hillary was thrown overboard.

Your absolutely right. Polls confirmed that 95-96% of blacks voted for Obama. So, who is stupid now? Women or blacks?

[Guest]

That would be like voting for a person of color just because he is of color.

And that's a big part of why Hillary was thrown overboard.

LOL You are pretty sharp.:thumbup:

[Guest]

The GOP's are going to have to find a really good candidate who is middle of the road (not far left like Bachmann) if they want a chance of beating President Obama. Romney has too much baggage, Perry is too evangelical, Palin has too much sense to give up her book deals, and Pawlenty has put his foot in his mouth too many times.

I personally believe the Democrat ticket will be Obama and Hillary Clinton when Joe Biden "decides" not to run based on family time.

The Democrat ticket will win again. At that time I will buy a round or two of ice-cold Yeunglings at Urban Flats for a few chosen conservatives.

I'll be there and I have a feeling you'll know where to find me.

[Guest]

:grumpy:I agree. I actually toyed with the idea of voting for a repub for president, until Palin was selected. An obvious ploy to attract Clinton supporters. Did they think women are stupid enough to vote for a woman just BECAUSE she is a woman?

So, do you think your strategy of snubbing Palin has earned any dividends? Do you really believe that even the flawed ticket of McCain-Palin would have been worse that this abomination of an administration we have now?

My dream is to one day (figuratively speaking) smack anyone and everyone that slams that woman, who has more patriotism and love of God and Country in one pinky finger that Barack Hussein Obama has in his entire family.

[Guest]

I believe Romney now says that the Mass. health care system was a mistake. I know he has backed away from it.

It was implemented after his term ended if I remember right.

I don't think it's all bad that the Mass. healthcare reform has not worked as well as hoped.....the rest of the states can learn from it and they are working out problems.

It's better to "experiment" with one or a few states than to put a 2,000-page monstrosity on all 50 states, all at once. Plus, every state is different in terms of ability to finance such complex programs.

Here's one of the big problems they've had:

"....Stating the obvious, officials have concluded that, “emergency room crowding and rising costs will not be solved by providing people with health insurance alone,” and, what is needed “are more primary care doctors and nurses.”......

And again, the results are going to be predictable. Without adequate primary care access, these newly insured patients will flood already crowded emergency rooms for care, further driving up spending and costs.

If you think what’s happening in Massachusetts, which by the way, has the highest density of physicians per capita in the country, is scary, replicating this scenario nationwide will be truly frightening."

"ER visits and healthcare costs rise in MA due to lack of primary care access":
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/04/er-visits-and-health-care-costs-rise-in.html

But then, we could have learned that from Canada, too, where.......

"On June 9, 2005, the high court struck down a Quebec law that prohibited people from buying private health insurance to cover procedures already offered by the public system.

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," two of the justices wrote in their decision.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/

[Guest]

I am trying to figure out what "baggage" Mitt Romeny has. Do you mean Massachusetts health care or the fact the we was never a "community orginizer"?



When I use term "baggage" as relates to Mitt Romney, I speak of a few things were he will have to answer specific questions and not innuendos.

THAT does not disuade me from supporting him. He has experience, he has made mistakes or errors in judgement. That does not deter me from voting for him. His success certainly outweigh any of that.

Our current President did not have "baggage" similiar...he had "baggage" which was swept under the rug, but it was not from him experience in managing or governing. It had to do with a lot of personal issues and his associations and training.