A Socialist wrote the Pledge of Allegiance

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http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm

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History is full of interesting tidbits. Lucky for us his work is more important than the man who penned it.

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http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm

And?????

What is the point of this?

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And?????

What is the point of this?



Good question

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I think one point that could be made here for the post - next time you uber-conservatives say the Pledge of Allegiance at one of your organization meetings, remember it was a Socialist who wrote it and you are pledging to the words of a Socialist.

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Well, when they installed "under God" in 1954, that kind of knocked the starch out of the "socialism"? Just saying. I'm assuming most socialists do not believe in God. I could be wrong.

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I think one point that could be made here for the post - next time you uber-conservatives say the Pledge of Allegiance at one of your organization meetings, remember it was a Socialist who wrote it and you are pledging to the words of a Socialist.

Oh puhLEEZE......just a tiny bit of reading would reveal that "Christian" socialism of American 1890's was not the same as "political, marxist" socialism....and "christian socialism" of the 1890's in the USA was not what morphed into the totalitarian regimes that the USSR, Cuba and now Venezuela have been crushed into (and that Obama-Pelosi-Reid-Biden-Frank-Waters-JacksonLee are trying to crush our nation into right now).

Christian Socialism
Many who favored systematic change spoke fervently of the need to introduce a morally based cooperative element into capitalism but nonetheless took pains to distance themselves from political socialism. Some, however, were not at all shy about using the term socialist to describe themselves, even when their denominational bodies turned decidedly unreceptive to their work. These politically active Christians included William Dwight Porter Bliss, a former Congregationalist and Episcopalian, who adopted British Christian Socialist ideas and in 1906 joined the Christian Socialist Fellowship founded by Vida Scudder. He also joined the burgeoning Socialist Party, as did George Herron, a former Congregationalist pastor who gave the nominating speech for Eugene V. Debs's presidential bid in 1904. In 1909 a previously existing group, the Catholic Socialists of Chicago, founded the Catholic Socialist Society, which was affiliated with both the Christian Socialist Fellowship and the Socialist Party, despite the pope's repeated denouncements of socialism on the grounds that it violated the sanctity of private property. Even these self-styled socialists, however, were careful to distinguish their views from those of Karl Marx. They spoke more generally of cooperative economic ventures that valued the well-being of all above the profit of a few, and, of course, they sought an economic system that would be grounded in Christian love. But perhaps because of their willingness to become involved in the wider world of socialist politics, the sphere of influence of these radical reformers, both within and outside of the churches, remained small.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Christian_socialism.aspx

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It seems to me that socialism is the system that needs an injection of morality.

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I am still having difficulty understanding the reason behind the original post, but then again, I am blonde.

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I am still having difficulty understanding the reason behind the original post, but then again, I am blonde.

I was thinking the same thing...glad you said it.:D

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Don't forget about Social capitalism.

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http://youtu.be/Q2BfqDUPL1I

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What do you find interesting about the video you posted, angiefox10? I'm just trying to understand why you started a thread by saying the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a "socialist" and then posted this video saying that children are brainwashed when they repeat it at public schools.

After someone pointed out that it was a Christian socialist, a different ideology than you inferred, you post this video. What is your point? In order to have a discussion about something, you have to take a position and state your point of view. Again, very respectively, I'm curious what you find interesting about the video? What is your point?

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What do you find interesting about the video you posted, angiefox10? I'm just trying to understand why you started a thread by saying the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a "socialist" and then posted this video saying that children are brainwashed when they repeat it at public schools.

After someone pointed out that it was a Christian socialist, a different ideology than you inferred, you post this video. What is your point? In order to have a discussion about something, you have to take a position and state your point of view. Again, very respectively, I'm curious what you find interesting about the video? What is your point?

If you look thru the 31 videos posted there by Arkfeller who did the one linked above, this one shows the brainpower that produced the one above and the other 30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkWcDSZuYw

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What do you find interesting about the video you posted, angiefox10? I'm just trying to understand why you started a thread by saying the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a "socialist" and then posted this video saying that children are brainwashed when they repeat it at public schools.

After someone pointed out that it was a Christian socialist, a different ideology than you inferred, you post this video. What is your point? In order to have a discussion about something, you have to take a position and state your point of view. Again, very respectively, I'm curious what you find interesting about the video? What is your point?

I agree, this is all aimless. chilout

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There must be something better and more interesting to post than this material.

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There must be something better and more interesting to post than this material.

For once Bugsy, we can agree.:beer3:

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Brainwashing, eh? kinda like this? Barak Hussain Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7WU872Lk

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Brainwashing, eh? kinda like this? Barak Hussain Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7WU872Lk

I'm willing to bet my last dollar that in Venezuela the children are singing similar songs about Ceasar Chavez. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

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I'm willing to bet my last dollar that in Venezuela the children are singing similar songs about Ceasar Chavez. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

LMAO at your "Things that make you go hmmm"...not sure that is the response I should be having, must be the late hour :22yikes:

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Richie,

Your posting may or may not be accurate. The dictator of Venezulea is Hugo Chavez.

Cesar Chavez was the farm labor activist and civil rights leader for migrant farm workers and was co-founder of the National Farm Workers Association.

For all I know, school children in Venezulea may be singing praises of Cesar Chavez. Definitely, he was a liberal activist. You may not agree with everything he did, but Cesar Chavez did help the migrant workers in America.

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Richie,

Your posting may or may not be accurate. The dictator of Venezulea is Hugo Chavez.

Cesar Chavez was the farm labor activist and civil rights leader for migrant farm workers and was co-founder of the National Farm Workers Association.

For all I know, school children in Venezulea may be singing praises of Cesar Chavez. Definitely, he was a liberal activist. You may not agree with everything he did, but Cesar Chavez did help the migrant workers in America.

Duh!!; (obvious brain f**t). I'd say I need a vacation, but I'm on a never ending vacation now, so I'm at a loss.

Of course I meant Hugo Chavez and the point of my post was to point out the similarity of the brainwashing of students in the socialist country of Venezuela, and other communist/socialists countries, to revere the "leader of the revolution", and the teacher led chanting of the homage to Obama by the U.S. students in the video aforementioned.


(I was making no conscious reference to Caesar Chavez, and I appreciate that you were kind in your response instead of mocking as you could have been. Thanks much.)

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Brainwashing, eh? kinda like this? Barak Hussain Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7WU872Lk


You can find anything that supports your position on the net AND youtube. I will not post them here, but I can find similar videos, where then President Bush was being praised by school children. Do a search in youtube and see what you get.

What's wrong with children praising the President ??

Just saying . . .

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You can find anything that supports your position on the net AND youtube. I will not post them here, but I can find similar videos, where then President Bush was being praised by school children. Do a search in youtube and see what you get.

What's wrong with children praising the President ??

Just saying . . .

Well, they took God out of the schools. Politics do not belong there either. In my humble opinion. When I was in school we did the Pledge of Allegiance with our hand on our heart and our eyes on the American Flag. Just saying, that's all.

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If this happened in the classroom where one of my children attended, they would no longer be attending. I sent my children to school to learn the 3 R's-reading, (w)riting and (a)rithmetic. After that I tried to teach them to think for themselves and take care of themselves. My youngest is now a graduate of the University of Notre Dame and is in Moritz Law school at Ohio State, and paying his own way. Pretty sure he never had a class wherein he had to participate in the teacher led group praising of any elected government official...

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Well, they took God out of the schools. Politics do not belong there either. In my humble opinion. When I was in school we did the Pledge of Allegiance with our hand on our heart and our eyes on the American Flag. Just saying, that's all.

They do not do that any more??? It should be a normal practice. But not forced.

We still do it at the Villages Woodworkers meetings.

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They do not do that any more??? It should be a normal practice. But not forced.

We still do it at the Villages Woodworkers meetings.

I have been meaning to get up there to the woodworking shop. Since I have been down here I have not missed woodworking. Must the warm weather thing. If I go I'll yell out "Hey Caveman" OK?

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You can find anything that supports your position on the net AND youtube. I will not post them here, but I can find similar videos, where then President Bush was being praised by school children. Do a search in youtube and see what you get.

What's wrong with children praising the President ??

Just saying . . .

I'd like to see the video you mention. Can't find it anywhere. Only find the ranting of leftists columnists. They mention a time when children sang a song thanking FEMA and then President Bush for efforts concerning Hurricane Katrina.

Comparing the school children's religious like chanting of the teacher led "praising" of Pres. Obama to the adorable children thanking FEMA and President Bush for the rebuilding efforts post-Katrina in song, is stretching comparisons to the breaking point. But, if you can find the video, please post it.

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I have been meaning to get up there to the woodworking shop. Since I have been down here I have not missed woodworking. Must the warm weather thing. If I go I'll yell out "Hey Caveman" OK?

If I am there, I will respond!! I have not been down there very much lately. If you want to go, do it now. When the snowbirds get back it is very busy.

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Political correctness and other marxist-oriented practices have become so ingrained in our society most of us have forgotten the benefits derived from reciting the Pledge of Allegience in school, morning prayer in school and benediction at business meetings. Religious events can and should be non-dominational but it is important that we take time to give thanks to something or someone greater us. It is important to to remember each day that our nation under God ( for non-believers with ethical moral determination) permits us to live in a free and democratic society. Expert
explain that it is essentially for people to have a belief in God or something greater than themselves for a democracy to work.
Far too many young people are dangerously disengaged focusing only on themselves. We suffer now from a lack of leadership just think what America will be facing 20 years from now given selfish and narcistic behavior?

Angiefox's post sheds sun light on this issue. Based on the dialogue going on in this country and especially in politics we are a divided nation and a divided nation can only fall

I am not particularly religious but I will pray daily for guidance. I will always Pledge Allegiance to the Flag......

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I'd like to see the video you mention. Can't find it anywhere. Only find the ranting of leftists columnists. They mention a time when children sang a song thanking FEMA and then President Bush for efforts concerning Hurricane Katrina.

Comparing the school children's religious like chanting of the teacher led "praising" of Pres. Obama to the adorable children thanking FEMA and President Bush for the rebuilding efforts post-Katrina in song, is stretching comparisons to the breaking point. But, if you can find the video, please post it.

Thank you for proving my point. The videos you mention are two of the videos that I also found. The point is, IT DOESN'T MATTER, since whomever will "spin" the contents to their own individual slant. ie. the rant of leftists columnists... ...and, maybe you're right ???

Here is a scary, scary video. In my mind, it doesn't matter the person of praise. Although this video is praising President George W. Bush ...and I do not know the exact context of the proceedings. I am not going to try and spin this into anything.

Watch it all.... President Bush is praised about 2 minutes in and then there are some comments about Obama, at the very end, but I cannot understand the comment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SONraszuQY

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Thank you for proving my point. The videos you mention are two of the videos that I also found. The point is, IT DOESN'T MATTER, since whomever will "spin" the contents to their own individual slant. ie. the rant of leftists columnists... ...and, maybe you're right ???

Here is a scary, scary video. In my mind, it doesn't matter the person of praise. Although this video is praising President George W. Bush ...and I do not know the exact context of the proceedings. I am not going to try and spin this into anything.

Watch it all.... President Bush is praised about 2 minutes in and then there are some comments about Obama, at the very end, but I cannot understand the comment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SONraszuQY

You found a video of a preacher with children in his congregation, who seem to be accompanied by their parents, although pains are taken to focus on the children in the congregation. Kind of strange, but it is not Public School Teachers where our children are required to attend and are a captive audience as in the Obama video, who are not under their parents supervision, but are exploited by the public school teachers, being taught to sing religious like chanting praises to their leader, President Obama, in a way reminiscent of similar scenarios in communist/socialist countries.

It's not a video of the children who rehearsed and sang about FEMA and the President at the 2006 White House Easter Egg Hunt, which was the subject of all the leftist media scorn that I previously mentioned.

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You found a video of a preacher with children in his congregation, who seem to be accompanied by their parents, although pains are taken to focus on the children in the congregation. Kind of strange, but it is not Public School Teachers where our children are required to attend and are a captive audience as in the Obama video being taught to sing religious like chanting praises to their leader, President Obama, in a way reminiscent of similar scenarios in communist/socialist countries.

It's not a video of the children who rehearsed and sang about FEMA and the President at the 2006 White House Easter Egg Hunt, which was the subject of all the leftist media scorn that I previously mentioned.

Oh, OK. I knew there would be a perfectly logical explanation. It's the leftist media... I get it now.... Thanks!

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Oh, OK. I knew there would be a perfectly logical explanation. It's the leftist media... I get it now.... Thanks!

You're welcome. Anytime I can put things in their proper perspective for you or anyone else, please feel free to contact me.

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You're welcome. Anytime I can put things in their proper perspective for you or anyone else, please feel free to contact me.

Thanks Rich, I suspected it was the leftist media. Thanks for the prospective.:beer3:

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Of course, by leftist media, you are referring to all media except for FOX?

You guys have to start watching Bill Maher on HBO more than you do. Jay Leno is great but Maher is uncensored so he can really speak the truth.

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Thanks Rich, I suspected it was the leftist media. Thanks for the prospective.:beer3:

Definition of leftist media: Any media that does not blindly support the views of the right wing. :cus:

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Of course, by leftist media, you are referring to all media except for FOX?

You guys have to start watching Bill Maher on HBO more than you do. Jay Leno is great but Maher is uncensored so he can really speak the truth.

Bill Maher is just a hate filled piece of canine feces. Anyone who watches Bill Maher just wants his hate filled Republican bashing fix. He's an unmitigated idiot.

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Definition of leftist media: Any media that does not blindly support the views of the right wing. :cus:
Left-wing media blindly supports democrats and their left-wing agenda, including the socialist regime in the White house.

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Left-wing media blindly supports democrats and their left-wing agenda, including the socialist regime in the White house.

I be y'all are hoping against hope another Joesph McCarthy will emerge. :yuck:

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