http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm

History is full of interesting tidbits. Lucky for us his work is more important than the man who penned it.

Originally Posted by angiefox10

http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm

And?????

What is the point of this?

Originally Posted by ilovetv

And?????

What is the point of this?

Good question

I think one point that could be made here for the post - next time you uber-conservatives say the Pledge of Allegiance at one of your organization meetings, remember it was a Socialist who wrote it and you are pledging to the words of a Socialist.

Well, when they installed "under God" in 1954, that kind of knocked the starch out of the "socialism"? Just saying. I'm assuming most socialists do not believe in God. I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I think one point that could be made here for the post - next time you uber-conservatives say the Pledge of Allegiance at one of your organization meetings, remember it was a Socialist who wrote it and you are pledging to the words of a Socialist.

Oh puhLEEZE......just a tiny bit of reading would reveal that "Christian" socialism of American 1890's was not the same as "political, marxist" socialism....and "christian socialism" of the 1890's in the USA was not what morphed into the totalitarian regimes that the USSR, Cuba and now Venezuela have been crushed into (and that Obama-Pelosi-Reid-Biden-Frank-Waters-JacksonLee are trying to crush our nation into right now).

Christian Socialism
Many who favored systematic change spoke fervently of the need to introduce a morally based cooperative element into capitalism but nonetheless took pains to distance themselves from political socialism. Some, however, were not at all shy about using the term socialist to describe themselves, even when their denominational bodies turned decidedly unreceptive to their work. These politically active Christians included William Dwight Porter Bliss, a former Congregationalist and Episcopalian, who adopted British Christian Socialist ideas and in 1906 joined the Christian Socialist Fellowship founded by Vida Scudder. He also joined the burgeoning Socialist Party, as did George Herron, a former Congregationalist pastor who gave the nominating speech for Eugene V. Debs's presidential bid in 1904. In 1909 a previously existing group, the Catholic Socialists of Chicago, founded the Catholic Socialist Society, which was affiliated with both the Christian Socialist Fellowship and the Socialist Party, despite the pope's repeated denouncements of socialism on the grounds that it violated the sanctity of private property. Even these self-styled socialists, however, were careful to distinguish their views from those of Karl Marx. They spoke more generally of cooperative economic ventures that valued the well-being of all above the profit of a few, and, of course, they sought an economic system that would be grounded in Christian love. But perhaps because of their willingness to become involved in the wider world of socialist politics, the sphere of influence of these radical reformers, both within and outside of the churches, remained small.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Ch...socialism.aspx

It seems to me that socialism is the system that needs an injection of morality.

I am still having difficulty understanding the reason behind the original post, but then again, I am blonde.

Originally Posted by BaylorBear

I am still having difficulty understanding the reason behind the original post, but then again, I am blonde.

I was thinking the same thing...glad you said it.

Don't forget about Social capitalism.

http://youtu.be/Q2BfqDUPL1I

What do you find interesting about the video you posted, angiefox10? I'm just trying to understand why you started a thread by saying the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a "socialist" and then posted this video saying that children are brainwashed when they repeat it at public schools.

After someone pointed out that it was a Christian socialist, a different ideology than you inferred, you post this video. What is your point? In order to have a discussion about something, you have to take a position and state your point of view. Again, very respectively, I'm curious what you find interesting about the video? What is your point?

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

What do you find interesting about the video you posted, angiefox10? I'm just trying to understand why you started a thread by saying the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a "socialist" and then posted this video saying that children are brainwashed when they repeat it at public schools.

After someone pointed out that it was a Christian socialist, a different ideology than you inferred, you post this video. What is your point? In order to have a discussion about something, you have to take a position and state your point of view. Again, very respectively, I'm curious what you find interesting about the video? What is your point?

If you look thru the 31 videos posted there by Arkfeller who did the one linked above, this one shows the brainpower that produced the one above and the other 30: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkWcDSZuYw[/ame]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

What do you find interesting about the video you posted, angiefox10? I'm just trying to understand why you started a thread by saying the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a "socialist" and then posted this video saying that children are brainwashed when they repeat it at public schools.

After someone pointed out that it was a Christian socialist, a different ideology than you inferred, you post this video. What is your point? In order to have a discussion about something, you have to take a position and state your point of view. Again, very respectively, I'm curious what you find interesting about the video? What is your point?

I agree, this is all aimless.