Sun Controls Earth's Temperature

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New Science Confirms: Earth's Temperature Determined Not by Taxes and Regulations but by Sun


The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.

The research, published with little fanfare this week in the prestigious journal Nature, comes from über-prestigious CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, one of the world’s largest centres for scientific research involving 60 countries and 8,000 scientists at more than 600 universities and national laboratories. CERN is the organization that invented the World Wide Web, that built the multi-billion dollar Large Hadron Collider, and that has now built a pristinely clean stainless steel chamber that precisely recreated the Earth’s atmosphere.

In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes have done what global warming doomsayers said could never be done — demonstrate that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules that in Earth’s atmosphere can grow and seed clouds, the cloudier and thus cooler it will be. Because the sun’s magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth’s atmosphere (the stronger the sun’s magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth.


http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/08/26/lawrence-solomon-science-now-settled/

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Very interesting information on Lawrence Solomon:

Lawrence Solomon is a columnist for the Financial Post, the National Post, and the managing director of Energy Probe Research Foundation. [1] He is also a climate change skeptic and authored a book titled, "The Deniers: The world-renowned scientists who stood up against global warming hysteria, political persecution, and fraud," [2] which is based on a series of articles he wrote for the National Post. [3]

Solomon writes in his book "The Deniers" that "As these rather dramatic reversals for the doomsday view mounted, however, I also noticed something striking about my growing cast of deniers. None of them were deniers." Richard Littlemore criticized Solomon for not making clear that the people profiled in the book believe that humans cause global warming, "they just argue about tiny bits of science that even the IPCC admits remain unsettled. ... Neither does Solomon acknowledge the complaints that he has received (and rebuffed) from legitimate scientists whose work he has misrepresented." [4]

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Typical left-wing strategy, attack the messenger.
The left-wing establishment has been doing its best to keep a lid on this breakthrough, but in the end, truth will out. Already liberals are becoming desperate enough to start playing the absurdly irrelevant race card to silence skeptics. As with their race-baiting attack on the Tea Party, this is a sure indication that they feel the wall against their backs.

Maybe the sun is racists.:ohdear:

Yet this spectacular success will be largely unrecognized by the general public for years — this column will be the first that most readers have heard of it — because CERN remains too afraid of offending its government masters to admit its success. Weeks ago, CERN formerly decided to muzzle Mr. Kirby and other members of his team to avoid “the highly political arena of the climate change debate,” telling them “to present the results clearly but not interpret them” and to downplay the results by “mak[ing] clear that cosmic radiation is only one of many parameters.” The CERN study and press release is written in bureaucratese and the version of Mr. Kirkby’s study that appears in the print edition of Nature censored the most eye-popping graph — only those who know where to look in an online supplement will see the striking potency of cosmic rays in creating the conditions for seeding clouds.

CERN, and the Danes, have in all likelihood found the path to the Holy Grail of climate science. But the religion of climate science won’t yet permit a celebration of the find.

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I think all we really need to know is that Mr. Solomon has far more credentials and experience in SCIENCES with world-class research groups than Al Gore, Michael Moore or Oprah Winfrey could ever dream of accomplishing.

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I can understand and appreciate other poster's viewpoints on the issue of global warming.

But what in the world does a statement like this have to do with a posting on global warming controversy?

"Already liberals are becoming desperate enough to start playing the absurdly irrelevant race card to silence skeptics. As with their race-baiting attack on the Tea Party, this is a sure indication that they feel the wall against their backs.

Maybe the sun is racists."

Very poor taste, to say the very least. Inflamatory language just trying to goad others into replying in kind. Shame on you.

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I can understand and appreciate other poster's viewpoints on the issue of global warming.

But what in the world does a statement like this have to do with a posting on global warming controversy?

"Already liberals are becoming desperate enough to start playing the absurdly irrelevant race card to silence skeptics. As with their race-baiting attack on the Tea Party, this is a sure indication that they feel the wall against their backs.

Maybe the sun is racists."

Very poor taste, to say the very least. Inflamatory language just trying to goad others into replying in kind. Shame on you.

Surely you aren't surprised. I'm not.

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I can understand and appreciate other poster's viewpoints on the issue of global warming.

But what in the world does a statement like this have to do with a posting on global warming controversy?

"Already liberals are becoming desperate enough to start playing the absurdly irrelevant race card to silence skeptics. As with their race-baiting attack on the Tea Party, this is a sure indication that they feel the wall against their backs.

Maybe the sun is racists."

Very poor taste, to say the very least. Inflamatory language just trying to goad others into replying in kind. Shame on you.
What is in poor taste is the left's insistent attacking of messengers of news. When they ain't attacking the messenger they are using the race card.

Poor taste never stopped the liberals from accomplishing their goals of destroying the USA.

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Gee, Dale,

This certainly is more pleasant a place to hang out since I have VillageGolfer on my IGNORE list. Sort of like swatting a buzzing gnat.

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Gee, Dale,

This certainly is more pleasant a place to hang out since I have VillageGolfer on my IGNORE list. Sort of like swatting a buzzing gnat.

Personal attacks are not encouraged here TBUG. Why don't you try to contribute more to the topic at hand?

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Financial Posts article concerning the influence of the sun rays on our planet: sensible

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Financial Posts article concerning the influence of the sun rays on our planet: sensible

The sun's influence on our climate has been ignored by many in the science community because there is no money in it. Most of the taxpayer's money is given to "scientists" who have a financial investment on the results of their studies, hence the slanted results that say that there is man-made global warming. If they do not say it is man-made, the money may stop.

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The sun's influence on our climate has been ignored by many in the science community because there is no money in it. Most of the taxpayer's money is given to "scientists" who have a financial investment on the results of their studies, hence the slanted results that say that there is man-made global warming. If they do not say it is man-made, the money may stop.

The profit motive is powerful an obviously it "cuts" as much as it "kicks". Also some such as scientist get so invested in their research that they lose all objectivity. Profit motive for Apple brought us break through technology. Profit motive for climate control because it has been based on deception has bankrupt a number of "green" start ups the sad thing is that some of this green technology may well lead to something great. so the Al gore's of the world did us a disservice

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As I said, I appreciate hearing other viewpoints on global warming. I don't know if it is solid proof either way. Makes sense but I am not a scientist. Good to hear different views and opinions.

At least the bug spray button has kept the buzzing little gnats away.

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New Science Confirms: Earth's Temperature Determined Not by Taxes and Regulations but by Sun



http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/08/26/lawrence-solomon-science-now-settled/

"THEY" will never believe this. Guess who "THEY" is.

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As I said, I appreciate hearing other viewpoints on global warming. I don't know if it is solid proof either way. Makes sense but I am not a scientist. Good to hear different views and opinions.
That's obvious! It amazes me that people who admit to not being a scientist can hold so tightly to their "beliefs" that have no basis in scientific fact. Maybe this is an example of where the term "blind faith" comes from...?

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Katz-


I stated"As I said, I appreciate hearing other viewpoints on global warming. I don't know if it is solid proof either way. Makes sense but I am not a scientist. Good to hear different views and opinions."

As my post said, I am glad to hear different views and opinions. I said I do not know for certain.

Why your hostility?

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/08/31/no-a-new-study-does-not-show-cosmic-rays-are-connected-to-global-warming/

I bet I know what some will say....I do not trust the source. So be it....I just wanted to present another side to this debate.

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Gee, Dale,

This certainly is more pleasant a place to hang out since I have VillageGolfer on my IGNORE list. Sort of like swatting a buzzing gnat.

Just wonderin'? If you have VillageGolfer on your ignore list, can you even see his first post since he started this thread? And if you can't, why would you comment on his post if you can't see it to know what he said?
Just wonderin'....?

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I saw the title of the posting and was curious. I undeleted VillageGolfer to see what he wrote and posted - and have put him back on IGNORE now.

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I saw the title of the posting and was curious. I undeleted VillageGolfer to see what he wrote and posted - and have put him back on IGNORE now.

Well, if you do that...that's going to make your blood pressure go up and down...and that doesn't sound too good for your health.

It just sounds like you're defeating the whole purpose of the IGNORE button...just sayin'.:undecided:

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I saw the title of the posting and was curious. I undeleted VillageGolfer to see what he wrote and posted - and have put him back on IGNORE now.

My blood pressure has dropped 30 Pt's since I blocked two folks. No offense meant, just that I don't need their aggressive hateful attitudes in my life. There are so many good folks on the board, missing the posts of two negative posters can only benefit my health and help me find possible solutions to problems rather than create some from nothing but childishness.

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The profit motive is powerful an obviously it "cuts" as much as it "kicks". Also some such as scientist get so invested in their research that they lose all objectivity. Profit motive for Apple brought us break through technology. Profit motive for climate control because it has been based on deception has bankrupt a number of "green" start ups the sad thing is that some of this green technology may well lead to something great. so the Al gore's of the world did us a disservice

I agree with you rubicon, that's why I have so many doubts about the cap and tax bill. It seems to be anti-growth?

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Well, Villager II, I do not have a blood pressure problem but it sure make this forum a lot more pleasant without those two sniping at absolutely everything I would post.

It is funny to see at least one of the two still posting something directly after I do - but the message does not show up on my screen. I love it.

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I wish you would start a thread of your own about ignoring . I hope your blood pressure goes down, maybe it was contributing to this man-made global warming?:laugh:

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The topic of global warming generates a great deal of heat but very little light. There are several things that we know and a number of things we do not know. We have an almost endless supply of data, but very little knowledge. As Einstein said, “Information is not knowledge.” However, there are several things we do know. Among these are:

1. The earth is in an interglacial cycle. This cycle began around 15,000 years ago when ice laid 3 miles thick over what is now Chicago and sea level was some 300 feet lower than it is today.
2. The earth has warmed and cooled during this last 15,000 years including such periods as the medieval warming period and the little ice age.
3. The rate of sea level rise shows no evidence of significant change at this time. Sea level has obviously risen during this interglacial period and continues to do so. The best estimate of the current rate of rise is 2mm per year (less than one foot per century).
4. There is no ‘normal’ climate during an interglacial period. The earth’s normal climate is glacial, a prospect that makes any suggested level of global warming seem very desirable.
5. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, however its effect is logarithmic not linear. The best way to explain its impact that I have found is an analogy to a piece of plate glass being painted with successive thin costs of paint. The first coat cuts light transmission dramatically, the second less so, the third by a negligible amount, etc.
6. The United States is not the largest emitter of greenhouse gases and nothing we do will slow the increase in environmental CO2 levels. Coal is the most efficient fuel for the generation of electricity and world usage is expected to skyrocket.

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BBQMan - Your #6 was one reason I was so against Kyoto. There's no reason on the planet for India and China to get a 'free pass' when it comes to the idea of enforcing emissions standards. If one has to abide by the law, ALL have to abide.

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Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice,
I think I know enough of hate,
To go with those who favor fire....

Or some such thing.....:cus:

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The topic of global warming generates a great deal of heat but very little light. There are several things that we know and a number of things we do not know. We have an almost endless supply of data, but very little knowledge. As Einstein said, “Information is not knowledge.” However, there are several things we do know. Among these are:

1. The earth is in an interglacial cycle. This cycle began around 15,000 years ago when ice laid 3 miles thick over what is now Chicago and sea level was some 300 feet lower than it is today.
2. The earth has warmed and cooled during this last 15,000 years including such periods as the medieval warming period and the little ice age.
3. The rate of sea level rise shows no evidence of significant change at this time. Sea level has obviously risen during this interglacial period and continues to do so. The best estimate of the current rate of rise is 2mm per year (less than one foot per century).
4. There is no ‘normal’ climate during an interglacial period. The earth’s normal climate is glacial, a prospect that makes any suggested level of global warming seem very desirable.
5. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, however its effect is logarithmic not linear. The best way to explain its impact that I have found is an analogy to a piece of plate glass being painted with successive thin costs of paint. The first coat cuts light transmission dramatically, the second less so, the third by a negligible amount, etc.
6. The United States is not the largest emitter of greenhouse gases and nothing we do will slow the increase in environmental CO2 levels. Coal is the most efficient fuel for the generation of electricity and world usage is expected to skyrocket.

Very good BBQMan. Do you think the sun controls these cycles?

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is there a reason no one is responding to my previous post?

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is there a reason no one is responding to my previous post?

I'm not trying to be cute, but maybe the ignore list might be responsible. Seems some people would rather close their ears and minds rather then listening to reason.

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Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice,
I think I know enough of hate,
To go with those who favor fire....

Or some such thing.....:cus:

How do these obtuse rantings contribute to the dialogue here? You speak in riddles. Please, maybe your above my intellect, therefore I do not comprehend your intent. Enlighten me by coming down to my humble level of understanding.:undecided:

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Very good BBQMan. Do you think the sun controls these cycles? I do not know and I suspect no-one else does either. We have the information that shows these glacial cycles occur approximately every 100,00 to 150,000 years. Approximately 80% of these cycles is glacial with only 20% being interglacial, such as the period we are now enjoying. Are these cycles related to variability in the sun's output, changes in earth orbit or some other cause? That they exist is a given, however we lack the knowledge necessary to say why this occurs.

Waynet, I did not ignore your post and did read the article. My post was intended to address yours and other posts. No slight was intended.

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How do these obtuse rantings contribute to the dialogue here? You speak in riddles. Please, maybe your above my intellect, therefore I do not comprehend your intent. Enlighten me by coming down to my humble level of understanding.:undecided:

Lines from the poem, Fire & Ice by Dylan Thomas. :cus:

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Lines from the poem, Fire & Ice by Dylan Thomas. :cus:

Oooopss...my bad.. Robert Frost. :)

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Oooopss...my bad.. Robert Frost. :)

It may be prudent to give us your own words from your own mind?:cus:

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It may be prudent to give us your own words from your own mind?:cus:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. :cus:

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dang, I sure am glad I have used the bug spray button on my computer to get that little buzzing gnat silenced. You do not know the pleasure I get from seeing that he has posted something - and I do not have to read his drivvel. Yet he continues to post his replies while knowing I do not see them. Must be a Republican, for sure!

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dang, I sure am glad I have used the bug spray button on my computer to get that little buzzing gnat silenced. You do not know the pleasure I get from seeing that he has posted something - and I do not have to read his drivvel. Yet he continues to post his replies while knowing I do not see them. Must be a Republican, for sure!

Don't you think you're being a little childish here, Buggy? Don't you have the resources in your arsenal to combat the "drivel" of a "buzzing gnat"?

I'm just saying. I really think you're better than that.

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Don't you think you're being a little childish here, Buggy? Don't you have the resources in your arsenal to combat the "drivel" of a "buzzing gnat"?

I'm just saying. I really think you're better than that.

I thought he was too, Richie. Very disappointing. But I guess it takes more of a man to tackle a bug?:undecided:

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Anyways, does any dispute the theory that our very own sun controls our climate? The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the sun controls Earth.

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discussion of global warming wind up in name-calling? While I am a conservative and believe strongly that re-electing President Obama would be a disaster for this country, that does not give me the right to denigrate those that disagree with me.

The issue of global warming should be discussed on the basis of the facts available to us, not on the basis of political ideology. I support the right of the schoolteacher in Mount Dora, Maxine Waters, the KKK, the moon lander skeptics, etc to speak their minds without fear of reprisal from the 'politically correct' in the name of 'tolerance'. Free speech should be just that - free speech.

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discussion of global warming wind up in name-calling? While I am a conservative and believe strongly that re-electing President Obama would be a disaster for this country, that does not give me the right to denigrate those that disagree with me.

The issue of global warming should be discussed on the basis of the facts available to us, not on the basis of political ideology. I support the right of the schoolteacher in Mount Dora, Maxine Waters, the KKK, the moon lander skeptics, etc to speak their minds without fear of reprisal from the 'politically correct' in the name of 'tolerance'. Free speech should be just that - free speech.

I commend you.

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discussion of global warming wind up in name-calling? While I am a conservative and believe strongly that re-electing President Obama would be a disaster for this country, that does not give me the right to denigrate those that disagree with me.

The issue of global warming should be discussed on the basis of the facts available to us, not on the basis of political ideology. I support the right of the schoolteacher in Mount Dora, Maxine Waters, the KKK, the moon lander skeptics, etc to speak their minds without fear of reprisal from the 'politically correct' in the name of 'tolerance'. Free speech should be just that - free speech.

:bigbow: Thank you for using your brain properly.

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First staying on task, I do believe that the sun has considerable sway over our planet's climate. And that like the moon there are yet to be discovered reasons as to their effect. As a side view, problems and misinformation arise because scientist fall into those human frailties of pride, jealousy, stubborness, etc which too often lead them to the wrong conclusion. Add to that the gaps and gaps of information that are still hidden to us (i.e. we don't know what we don't know). Thankfully we humans are blessed with a great curosity of our origins and that of the worlds above and below us. So I am appreciative of the efforts of scientist to explore this universe.

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I thought he was too, Richie. Very disappointing. But I guess it takes more of a man to tackle a bug?:undecided:

I'm sorry about seeming to go off topic here. It's just that if someone says they're ignoring someone and then goes out of his way to antagonize that person anyway, it just rubs me the wrong way and I had to say something about it. Especially because I know that person and how truly intelligent he is and how this seems beneath him.

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I'm sorry about seeming to go off topic here. It's just that if someone says they're ignoring someone and then goes out of his way to antagonize that person anyway, it just rubs me the wrong way and I had to say something about it. Especially because I know that person and how truly intelligent he is and how this seems beneath him.
Well, human beings can have many "faces" depending on the motives and circumstances.
When I was living up north there were a few situations that really ticked me off. I have been down here in heaven for almost 11 months and I rarely, if ever, get angry. (Except when golfing, sometimes)
Sometimes a person's personality doesn't really show with just the written words. In person, I am a fun-loving guy who likes to really laugh.
Anyways, it is not very healthy to let someone push your buttons. If your in the habit of button pushing, expect someone to push your button back.
Running and hiding never solved anything. Just saying, that's all.

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What do you make of carbon credits?
The main idea is "carbon credits," by which companies which actually make stuff have to buy "carbon credits" from people who don't do anything but gaze at the South American jungles. It's a really crazy-weird attempt to make megabucks off the fact that humans breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide, while plants breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen. Therefore, MORE carbon dioxide makes for MORE plants and jungles, which make MORE oxygen for us and other animals.
The tiny helpless "environmental" group known as the World Wildlife Foundation recently tried to scoop up SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS from its claims on Brazilian jungles. When you see figures like 60 billion, you should be aware that WWF and Greenpeace are not "helpless tiny" movements. They are competing in the same space as Big Oil and all their "enemies," and they need to be called out as "Big Green" and asked just what they are doing for the cause of conservation.
Anyways, I hope I'm making sense out of all the reading I have been doing lately. It is fascinating reading with articles a;ll over the web.
My take is to really watch out for the Greenies. They will use your sense of guilt to sell and achieve power.