The News for Pres. Obama getting worse and worse.

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Number of poor hit record 46 million in 2010, while median incomes fell.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/13/us-usa-economy-poverty-idUSTRE78C3YV20110913

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-13/poverty-in-u-s-climbed-to-17-year-high-in-2010-as-household-income-fell.html

22 percent of American children lived in poverty last year

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/22-percent-american-children-lived-poverty-last-142535015.html


This can't be inspiring news for all who think the President a sure thing for re-election in 2012. I'm thinking I should have accepted an offered bet last night as to that election's results.

This is why the Democrat demonization of the opposition is in full swing. Will people care about the rantings of the radical partisans, or on their own lot in life and their vision of their own future?

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You have to ask yourself if those poor people will think that the Republican/Tea Party caniddates will treat them in a better way than the way they will be treated by Democrats.

These people in dire straits are not going to blaming who or what got them there but will be wanting assistance in getting back on their feet and will be needing financial help. The Republicans/Tea Party candidates have made it clear they do not want to give financial assistance.

Therefore, the higher number of poor families there are, the more families will vote Democrat. You can bet the Democrat "machines" will be out in force to get all of these families to the polls.

The bet was not made without a good amount of thinking, I am sure.

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You have to ask yourself if those poor people will think that the Republican/Tea Party caniddates will treat them in a better way than the way they will be treated by Democrats.

These people in dire straits are not going to blaming who or what got them there but will be wanting assistance in getting back on their feet and will be needing financial help. The Republicans/Tea Party candidates have made it clear they do not want to give financial assistance.

Therefore, the higher number of poor families there are, the more families will vote Democrat. You can bet the Democrat "machines" will be out in force to get all of these families to the polls.

The bet was not made without a good amount of thinking, I am sure.

So you're of the opinion that most people want the hand out and vote for that, and not vote for the person who has the best shot at creating the opportunity for them to work and create their own future.

Pretty cynical.

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As I said, they will not be voting for the candidates who are in a party who is not compasionate - and the Tea Party is anything but compassionate. Have one of the Tea Party candidates or Tea Party endorsed candidates on the ticket - and the Republicans lose again.

No added in quips from Village Golfer? What gives?

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This is a better way of viewing this situation. Proctor and Gamble is retooling their products because the "middle class" is quickly disappearing. I haven't met vey many "middle class" voters who would be content with accepting a handout, even a temporary handout. I had a period of unemployment in 1989 and refused both federal and state assistance and lived on my savings until I found employment six months later. I doubt I am alone in this thinking and beleieve there are thousands of stories like mine.

Britian welfare state is instructive and its civic discourse prescience.

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has always been a hand up, not a hand out. We need policies in DC. that stimulates the economy so people can go to work and feel good about themselves and elevate the USA where it belongs, the leader of the free world.
To do these lofty things we need to vote for people of high standards and ideals. Vote for the candidates that support The Tea Party, America's Party.

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As I said, they will not be voting for the candidates who are in a party who is not compasionate - and the Tea Party is anything but compassionate. Have one of the Tea Party candidates or Tea Party endorsed candidates on the ticket - and the Republicans lose again.

No added in quips from Village Golfer? What gives?

Tea Party, tea party, tea party, tea party..............you keep saying it like it's a dirty word; but that's only to you rabid lefties. It ain't gonna fly.

It's the Republican Party you have to run against and if they give some thought to the Tea Party's charter, they'll be quite formidable.

All those people falling below poverty levels, all the jobs lost, median incomes down. OH YEAH!!; FEEL THE COMPASSION.

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Can you honestly imagine a struggling, poor family voting for Michelle Bachmann, Ron Paul, Ricky Perry, or Sarah Palin? It would never happen. The Democrats have these votes locked in - and the Democrats have the means to get these people to the voting booths with caravans of cars and thousands of union people (even the Teamsters) that will be given a paid day off to do the driving.

Drive!

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Can you honestly imagine a struggling, poor family voting for Michelle Bachmann, Ron Paul, Ricky Perry, or Sarah Palin? It would never happen. The Democrats have these votes locked in - and the Democrats have the means to get these people to the voting booths with caravans of cars and thousands of union people (even the Teamsters) that will be given a paid day off to do the driving.

Drive!

They also can bring out the Black Panthers as they have done in the past to intimidate voters !!!!!!

But the constant combining of the Tea Party with a slash Republican Party amazes me. The Democrat party has always prided itself in welcoming diverse groups to their table....we might call them the Union/Democrat Party...or to the point that you continually make..we could call them the Black/Democratic party.....all is just as stupid as your and others continuing of using that little slash as if it were all one big party.

I also, in reading various comments concerning the debate last night and the pretty much predictable calls about the entire Republican party being non sympathatic and such......if you wish we could haul out the quotes from the 2008 Democratic primary between Clinton and Obama....some nice juicy ones there....but they would be dismissed.

Some day, you will recognize issues and not personalities and personal digs...someday you will discuss the issues that were talked about..but that will require you to grow up and most importantly shut up and listen a bit.

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Can you honestly imagine a struggling, poor family voting for Michelle Bachmann, Ron Paul, Ricky Perry, or Sarah Palin? It would never happen. The Democrats have these votes locked in - and the Democrats have the means to get these people to the voting booths with caravans of cars and thousands of union people (even the Teamsters) that will be given a paid day off to do the driving.

Drive!

I think you just have lovely dreams where what you say is going to happen, and then they'll be rainbows.

I think that's all you have, and all I have to do is read the news to know.

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Poverty, like most human conditions, finds its root in changing demographics. The two most important factors in flux are: (1) Single-parent families and (2) dropping out of the education process. The situation is worse the blacks than for the Hispanic or white families.

The United States today has the highest rate of single-parent families in the Developed world – 34% as of 1998 and the situation has continued to worsen, By contrast, in 1970 the percentage of single parent families was only 13%.

http://family.jrank.org/pages/1574/Single-Parent-Families-Demographic-Trends.html

The situation, already bad, gets much worse when you look at education. By 2006, 72% of black high school dropouts were unemployed. The comparable figures are 34% for whites and 19% for Hispanics.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/03/19/national/20060320_BLACKMEN_GRAPHIC.html

The only effective way to deal with this problem is to incentivize marrying before having children and completing a high school at a minimum. Concurrent with this we need to discourage having children when the parent, particularly the mother, is not in a position to care for them without government assistance.

I request that this thread avoid becoming another abortion thread and thereby add a great deal of heat and very little light.

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BBQMan is 100% right when he said "The only effective way to deal with this problem is to incentivize marrying before having children and completing a high school at a minimum. Concurrent with this we need to discourage having children when the parent, particularly the mother, is not in a position to care for them without government assistance."

Look at all the celebrities who seem to take pride in the children they are having (or fathering) without being married. The celebrities are both sports figures and movie stars. Kids hold these celebrities in high regard.

Even the teen-age daughter of the former governor of Alaska got pregnant when she was living at home. If the unmarried teen aged daughter of a strict families values person like Sarah Palin gets pregnant, it shows how hard it is to keep the kids from doing it.

Personally, I do not know the answer, but BBQMan is right in his thinking. We know the problem - but not the answer.

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ritchie,ritchie,ritchie...Every time you open your mouth you bash someone with that almighty keystroke..

the truth is that if a moderate republican gets nominated then you will win..If the tea party candidates are nominated you will lose..big time...AGAIN..

Maybe you ought to actually go to a tea party meeting and talk with some of the folks there first hand before you run the flag up and wear the banner so proudly...I have and so have many other moderate democrats...

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Number of poor hit record 46 million in 2010, while median incomes fell.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/13/us-usa-economy-poverty-idUSTRE78C3YV20110913

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-13/poverty-in-u-s-climbed-to-17-year-high-in-2010-as-household-income-fell.html

22 percent of American children lived in poverty last year

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/22-percent-american-children-lived-poverty-last-142535015.html


This can't be inspiring news for all who think the President a sure thing for re-election in 2012. I'm thinking I should have accepted an offered bet last night as to that election's results.

This is why the Democrat demonization of the opposition is in full swing. Will people care about the rantings of the radical partisans, or on their own lot in life and their vision of their own future?

How many years in a row has the poverty level risen? And how many years has Obama been in office? Do the math.


http://mojoe.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/14/7755631-morning-headlines-wednesday-sept-14th

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ritchie,ritchie,ritchie...Every time you open your mouth you bash someone with that almighty keystroke..

the truth is that if a moderate republican gets nominated then you will win..If the tea party candidates are nominated you will lose..big time...AGAIN..

Maybe you ought to actually go to a tea party meeting and talk with some of the folks there first hand before you run the flag up and wear the banner so proudly...I have and so have many other moderate democrats...

I'm just rejecting anything you say from now on. You just too full of it. I can't believe a single thing you say. Sorry.

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ritchie,ritchie,ritchie...Every time you open your mouth you bash someone with that almighty keystroke..

the truth is that if a moderate republican gets nominated then you will win..If the tea party candidates are nominated you will lose..big time...AGAIN..

Maybe you ought to actually go to a tea party meeting and talk with some of the folks there first hand before you run the flag up and wear the banner so proudly...I have and so have many other moderate democrats...

Democrats ran with boring,inferior candidates like Al bore and Kerry and they lost. So Republicans ran with a boring Mc Cain and they lost. What have we learned here?

If Republicans go with a middle of the road vanilla candidate, they will lose.

Republicans need somebody, like a Reagan to step up to the winner's circle.

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Yeah, why not go with a real winning possibility like Michelle Bachmann or Pee Wee Herman?

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As I said, they will not be voting for the candidates who are in a party who is not compasionate - and the Tea Party is anything but compassionate. Have one of the Tea Party candidates or Tea Party endorsed candidates on the ticket - and the Republicans lose again.

No added in quips from Village Golfer? What gives?

You are being too kind.
Typical Repub quotes regarding the poverty issue....
"There is no free lunch."
"It isn't the government's responsibility."


OK. Then who gets this going? Reduce regulations, cut taxes, sanction China on Currency, and weaken unions more to cut wages? How does that provide a pent and jelly sandwich for a 7 year old? Or pay the rent? There needs to be a demand for products and services. We need a healthy middle class.

Where are the banks who made out like bandits in the and businesses investing in our country?

Maybe it is weakening buying power of the shrinking middle class.
Take a visit to a local food pantry or soup kitchen and see the desperation people face to pay their rent and feed their families. Go to a store where there is an opening for a low paying job and have 100's of people apply.

In other words, a "compassionate conservative" stepping up isn't in the cards with this stable of candidates. Shouldn't the responsibility for the economic dilemma we face shared by both the current administration and Congress? The Party of NO who put politics ahead of our country are more concerned about pleasing big business.
What would Ronald Reagan do? He would be considered too liberal for this tea party. He reached across the aisle to comprise and get bills passed. That isn't a consideration for Tea Party leaning members of Congress.

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Yeah, why not go with a real winning possibility like Michelle Bachmann or Pee Wee Herman?

Did you know that Mickey Mouse wears an Obama watch?:)

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........OK. Then who gets this going? Reduce regulations, cut taxes, sanction China on Currency, and weaken unions more to cut wages? How does that provide a pent and jelly sandwich for a 7 year old? Or pay the rent? There needs to be a demand for products and services. We need a healthy middle class.

Where are the banks who made out like bandits in the and businesses investing in our country?...........

How "compassionate" was it for democrats to push for anybody--regardless of ability to pay--to buy a home and get a mortgage KNOWING they were unqualified and prone to default on the mortgage??

How "compassionate" was it to let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac go on as they were, with democrats claiming there was no problem with them?!?!?

New York Times

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By STEPHEN LABATON

Published: September 11, 2003

WASHINGTON, Sept. 10 — The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac , the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.........

.......Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

"These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed......"


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/11LEND.html?pagewanted=all