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Guest
09-16-2011, 01:34 PM
Go to www.keysnet.com (The Florida Keys newspaper) and read about the offshore drilling to be conducted by Cuba btween The Keys and Cuba See how that makes you fill. This is bull s--t
Guest
09-16-2011, 02:22 PM
They aren't the only ones. And they employ a technology that allows drilling at an angle allowing encroaching more toward what IS available to the USA.
We are married to OPEC....don't want to offend them....don't want to make them mad.
It is so easy to just stay stupid and not pursue energy independence. With all the new jobs associated with such a pursuit.
Just another opportunity to show leadership and Obama chooses to do business as usual....even though pursuit of energy independence was one of his (many) campaign promises...you know say what ever will either get him elected or keep his job.
Cuba obviously has more leadership than Obama.
btk
Guest
09-16-2011, 02:49 PM
What, do you really think Obuma cares if Americans go to work? He has more lofty goals.
Guest
09-16-2011, 03:11 PM
Can you spell prozac?
I do not take the bait anymore. I am not going to get into name-calling and addressing other posters. Instead of fighting back I just click on the alarm. I am tired of people trying to push other people's button. Doesn't get us anywhere.
Guest
09-17-2011, 02:29 AM
I do not take the bait anymore. I am not going to get into name-calling and addressing other posters. Instead of fighting back I just click on the alarm. I am tired of people trying to push other people's button. Doesn't get us anywhere.
That is very good. If you follow through with this, the board will be greatly improved.
Guest
09-17-2011, 07:23 AM
Go to www.keysnet.com (The Florida Keys newspaper) and read about the offshore drilling to be conducted by Cuba btween The Keys and Cuba See how that makes you fill. This is bull s--t
I would like to see the USA lead the world in oil drilling. We have the oil reserves, we just need to unshackle the regulations that are binding us.
Guest
09-17-2011, 02:33 PM
I am always amazed at the lack of interest in this very, very important subject here or any where else.
We absolutely have the ability to free ourselves from the foreign oil dependency, yet we do not do it. It is an absolute certainty that by pursuing the energy independence there will be hundreds of thousands of new jobs created. We know that life in the USA will improve for millions. We know the deficit will be reduced by billions.
What we don't know is why we are not doing something about it. Another one of those simple solutions that has been pushed to the back burner time and time again for more than 40 years.....and we the people are content to allow it...eventually it will be too late.
More proof politicians will only do what is in their personal or political interest....what other reason could there be?
What will it take to get the lazy Americans to demand action in this area. It solves so many of our problems.
Why NOT???
btk
Guest
09-17-2011, 03:04 PM
I am always amazed at the lack of interest in this very, very important subject here or any where else.
We absolutely have the ability to free ourselves from the foreign oil dependency, yet we do not do it. It is an absolute certainty that by pursuing the energy independence there will be hundreds of thousands of new jobs created. We know that life in the USA will improve for millions. We know the deficit will be reduced by billions.
What we don't know is why we are not doing something about it. Another one of those simple solutions that has been pushed to the back burner time and time again for more than 40 years.....and we the people are content to allow it...eventually it will be too late.
More proof politicians will only do what is in their personal or political interest....what other reason could there be?
What will it take to get the lazy Americans to demand action in this area. It solves so many of our problems.
Why NOT???
btk
Why NOT??? - GOOD QUESTION!!!!!:confused:
Guest
09-18-2011, 09:29 AM
I would like to see the USA lead the world in oil drilling. We have the oil reserves, we just need to unshackle the regulations that are binding us.
Would these be the same shackling regulations that still saw the Exxon Valdez and Deepwater Horizon disasters?
Guest
09-18-2011, 10:01 AM
Would these be the same shackling regulations that still saw the Exxon Valdez and Deepwater Horizon disasters?
Are the foreign nations that are drilling on our shorelines operating with some new technology or methods that are safer than we utilize?
Do you know of anything really worthwhile that doesn't involve some risk?
Do you know any quicker way of boosting the nation's bottom line than accelerating our own energy production.......(instead of being sheeple and watching our right to natural resources being drawn off by competing nations)
Guest
09-18-2011, 11:29 AM
Quoting Richie once again "??????????????????????"
Guest
09-18-2011, 11:43 AM
Quoting Richie once again "??????????????????????"
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Guest
09-18-2011, 01:50 PM
Have to agree with the lack of leadership and comprimise with the offshore oil drilling issue...Even though BP was found guily by the investigators in negligence and possibly criminal activities, I think this is the exception..
I remember as a kid watching the oil derricks right on the beach in southern Cal. I recently saw a PBS show,I think it was "this old House" where they are drilling in residential neighborhoods,and disguising them very well..I believe it to be safe, and it has been going on for at least 100 yrs in the most invironmental conscious state in the Union..Fl has not bought into it and the Gov recently said no again...I say "drill baby drill". Of course after 9/11, if we had gone after the right country (Saudi Arabia), then maybe we would be able to own the oil industry we found and developed. Remember always, the bombers were mostly Saudi's and it has been proven that they were financed by members of the royal family...Wishful thinking I guess,as this would have been a real donnybrook, and the US doesn't have the stomach for that..
Guest
09-18-2011, 03:03 PM
Have to agree with the lack of leadership and comprimise with the offshore oil drilling issue...Even though BP was found guily by the investigators in negligence and possibly criminal activities, I think this is the exception..
I remember as a kid watching the oil derricks right on the beach in southern Cal. I recently saw a PBS show,I think it was "this old House" where they are drilling in residential neighborhoods,and disguising them very well..I believe it to be safe, and it has been going on for at least 100 yrs in the most invironmental conscious state in the Union..Fl has not bought into it and the Gov recently said no again...I say "drill baby drill". Of course after 9/11, if we had gone after the right country (Saudi Arabia), then maybe we would be able to own the oil industry we found and developed. Remember always, the bombers were mostly Saudi's and it has been proven that they were financed by members of the royal family...Wishful thinking I guess,as this would have been a real donnybrook, and the US doesn't have the stomach for that..
:agree: DRILL BABY DRILL! http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html
Guest
09-18-2011, 03:41 PM
One would think it does not take much intelligence to get out from under the thumb of the mid east oil shieks, kings, prices and who ever elase belongs to the clan that has us over this barrel:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-saudi-relationship-good-shape-top-us-official-185142549.html
Instead of working at trying to make sure we don't upset them why does Obama not take the opportunity to do something right and show leadership?
He really does have several golden opportunities to rise above the business as usual starting with being able to announce our intent to be free of the mid east oil...what an opportunity to demonstrate leadership...what an opportunity to truly point to an action guaranteed to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.
Like those before him...it ain't gonna happen... as long as we the people continue to be OK with nobody in Washington doing anything about it.
One day when the oil supply is truly interrupted for what ever reason...and we do not have gasoline or jet fuel or truck fuel...it will be too late...the ones who say it will take 10 years to see a difference know what a disaster it will in fact become...even here in TV bubble. Do you know how many 10 year periods are in the last 40 years? That our dependence has been allowed to almost double.
when the interruption happens...it will be too late.
btk
Guest
09-18-2011, 08:25 PM
Well, obama bows to the muslims, why would he want to cut off their funds?
Guest
09-19-2011, 06:19 AM
Are the foreign nations that are drilling on our shorelines operating with some new technology or methods that are safer than we utilize?
Do you know of anything really worthwhile that doesn't involve some risk?
Do you know any quicker way of boosting the nation's bottom line than accelerating our own energy production.......(instead of being sheeple and watching our right to natural resources being drawn off by competing nations)
1 - they're drilling in THEIR territorial waters. It just happens that Cuba is 90 miles from Key West so the boundaries are a lot closer to shore than in, say, the Atlantic Ocean. And no, I'm not happy with it AT ALL but I don't see what we can do about it from a legal or practical point.
2 - We had the disasters despite the regulations we already have. LOOSENING those regulations would seem to invite more frequent disasters. I don't think we need that right now. However - if you want to talk about overturning POLICIES concerning what offshore areas would be opened up, I think that's a perfectly valid debate. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm drawing a line between "regulation" and "policy".
3 - "Drill baby drill" does nothing for the long-term. We keep hearing of how new oil leases would take 10 years to get into production. Fine, I can accept that. But I also hear about how it would take FAR less time to build Fischer-Tropsch refineries that turn coal into gasoline, avgas and other liquid fuels. Back around 2006 or so, the governor of Montana said THEIR STATE ALONE had enough coal to supply ALL gas/kerosene/jet fuel needs of our country for the next *150* years. Why hasn't this gotten much traction? The coal->oil process was invented *in the 1920s* (and used by countries who had little or no access to oil like Nazi Germany and South Africa when apartheid had them embargoed by everyone) but the politics are all about oil so that's what we hear about.
As far as "our" natural resources being siphoned off - I would imagine that the US Navy and affiliated contractors will be keeping a close eye on everything that happens in the waters between Cuba and Florida.
Guest
09-19-2011, 08:39 AM
Anyone who thinks the price of oil is a supply and demand pricing -WRONG
Oh i remember the price rising because we dont have enough refineries !!!
The big oil companies raise the price at will. when there is pipe line break in some small afican country that supplies .0000001% of the world oil, the price raises 2 dollars a barrel
If we found a cheep reliable sauce of energy tomorrow the world economy would collapse - just like a house of cards
Guest
09-19-2011, 09:24 AM
the simple fact(s) of the matter the need and urgency is well known by anybody with a pulse. The ongoing negative effects of our current dependency is a state of the nation level risk. The fixes are known to be long term. The resource availability is known, again to anybody with a pulse.
The oil magnates and investors and politicians want it to stay as-is.....business as usual.
And we the people are content as usual as long as we can get gas for $3 a gallon (remember when we used to say for $1 per gallon?).
The politicians are doing/risking nothing and we are allowing it.....just that simple.
btk
Guest
09-19-2011, 09:32 AM
So true BTK :cry: Let's hope that in ten years we aren't saying "hind sight is 20/20"...:cry:
Guest
09-19-2011, 10:50 AM
vg...I'm dyin to hear what party you represent (TP?)..I have trouble understanding some of the rhetoric..Now a reference to MUSLINS...Of course I'm sure there is no racial intent there..lolo
Guest
09-19-2011, 11:16 AM
OK Arabs? The Oil Cartel? OPEC? What do you call the people who hold us hostage to oil, in that part of the country? I wonder what they call us?
VOTE NOBAMA 2012.:pepper2:
Guest
09-19-2011, 04:33 PM
Open your eyes a bit.
Depending on how you define "oil imports", the following are the top 7 countries we buy oil from and how many thousands of barrels per day (June 2011):
Canada - 2534
Mexico - 1222
Saudi Arabia - 1169
Venezuela - 1077
Nigeria - 853
Iraq - 559
Columbia - 309
Wow - look at all those Arab countries like Canada and Mexico leading the way.
..and by "how you define oil imports", I mean that if you look at JUST crude, the numbers are slightly different. These were numbers for "total petroleum imports"
Guest
09-19-2011, 05:26 PM
vg...too late...you showed the colors guiding your thinking...
Guest
09-19-2011, 05:28 PM
vg...PS. my fine tea party friend
Guest
09-19-2011, 05:41 PM
vg...too late...you showed the colors guiding your thinking...
These countries ARE ISLAMIC countries, operating under Sharia law. I guess that makes them Muslims! It's not a nice happy group like USA where Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc are all afforded the same respect...
An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."
Guest
09-20-2011, 03:51 AM
isn't the issue/the thread energy independence based? And the myriad of benefits that will come with it...many jobs...lower energy costs...self sufficiency...GOOD FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btk
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