Herman Cain wins GOP Florida straw Poll

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/24/herman-cain-wins-cpac-florida-straw-poll/

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Go, Herman......GO!!!!!!!

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I like Herman Cain a lot, but I think this breaks the streak of the Florida Straw Poll picking the winner. Now "I only think" this, I could be wrong. But what are the chances of me being wrong?

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Please, please....everyone jump on his bandwagon. :cus:

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\Part of his economic package is NO MORE IRS!!!! Flat tax of 9% on gross income-charitable contributions! 9% national sales tax. Move to No death tax, no capital gains tax...I like this guy. http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf
Oh, and best of all-PRO-LIFE! Nobody gets my vote without a "Life Begins @ Conception" pin on his/her lapel! I'm ditto the sentiments of ilovetv-GO HERMAN... GO!!!! :a040::a040::a040:

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\Part of his economic package is NO MORE IRS!!!! Flat tax of 9% on gross income-charitable contributions! 9% national sales tax. Move to No death tax, no capital gains tax...I like this guy. http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf
Oh, and best of all-PRO-LIFE! Nobody gets my vote without a "Life Begins @ Conception" pin on his/her lapel! I'm ditto the sentiments of ilovetv-GO HERMAN... GO!!!! :a040::a040::a040:What do you think Cain's chances would be to convince the House and Senate--whether they be majority Republican or Democrat--to embrace his ideas and pass legislation accordingly?

The answer is obvious, so why get all excited about someone who probably cannot get elected on that platform, and in the remote chance that he does get elected, could never get such ideas made into law.

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What do you think Cain's chances would be to convince the House and Senate--whether they be majority Republican or Democrat--to embrace his ideas and pass legislation accordingly?

The answer is obvious, so why get all excited about someone who probably cannot get elected on that platform, and in the remote chance that he does get elected, could never get such ideas made into law.


I was hopeful when Obama was elected. Even tho I did not vote for him, I was hopeful that he would be able to help the economy and end the wars in the Middle East. Yes, I was excited that finally we had an African American president to prove that we are not the racists that some think we are. I was just too naive to know what he really had in mind, and bizarre as his plans have been, he has been successful in getting alot of them done.

Why would I not get excited, even more so, if this man is able to do get elected and accomplish half of what he aims to do? Come on VK, I think I have seen you hopeful on this forum before...Who knows what we can do when God is in control! I believe that someone will come along and upright our sinking ship, only time will prove me right or wrong. In the meantime, I AM EXCITED!

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I have been a supporter of Herman Cain since I first heard him speak. I admit I believed his cause to be hopeless, but still felt the man has an infectious happiness that we have not seen since Ronald Reagan. He has demonstrated his competence as a leader in his business career. He has ideas that can help the US come back from bankruptcy - his 9-9-9 plan. He is not an extremist or an ideologue, but rather a man that gets things done.

Michele Bachman's showing, last place, delighted me. In previous posts I noted that she was a right wing extremist, just as Obama is a left wing extremist. This country needs pragmatists and not extremists. It should be noted that Herman Cain raised only $2.4 million in the second quarter compared to 18 million by Mitt Romney and 85 million by Barack Obama. Cain's support appears to be entirely grassroots contribution with the average donation being $90.

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I like Herman Cain a lot, but I think this breaks the streak of the Florida Straw Poll picking the winner. Now "I only think" this, I could be wrong. But what are the chances of me being wrong?

:agree:

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I liked Herman Cain in these debates and am glad that this Romney/Perry side show didn’t distract voters from the message that we taxpayers are trying to get through to Washington. No more RINOs!

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talked with a membr of the women's Republican federation tonight...She thinks the tckt will be Romney/Cain...In the real polls, romney was the only candidate that stands a chance of beating Obama...Gonna be a donnybrook no matter what.....Interesting that she tod me not one member of the federation was a tea party member..Gained a lot of respect from me tonight...I think I'll keep dating her....

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VK....It's really about shaping the platform. Cain's ideas obviously resonate with the people and other candidates will recognize that. They may not adopt his positions and ideas point for point but don't be surprised when their own campaigns start to sound a little more like Cain. That IMO is a good thing. I believe his personal medical story and the ills of government health care reached a lot of voters in Florida and on the national scene. Don't be surprised if he fits snugly into the nominee's cabinet. He would be a formidable opponent on the Obamacare debate.

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It would be interesting to hear what some of the loyal opposition thinks about Cain's 9-9-9 plan. He was a math major and says the numbers work. I especially would appreciate VK's assessment as I have profound respect for his grasp of financial matters.

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Straw polls used to mean something when not too many people paid attention to them. Now with the unbelievable scrutiy, they mean almost nothing because of all the artificial attention paid to them. Look how long Bachmann was 'in front' after her Iowa win.

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Herman Caine likes his idea of 9-9-9 tax system. What are the chances that it would get through Congress? The answer is ZERO.

He is just a business community blowhard who think that a country can be run like a pizza parlor.

Okay, Herman, give me a Department of Defense budget with anchovies and extra cheese. Have it delivered in a half hour or it's free.

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No more RINOs!

:agree::agree::agree:

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Herman Caine likes his idea of 9-9-9 tax system. What are the chances that it would get through Congress? The answer is ZERO.

He is just a business community blowhard who think that a country can be run like a pizza parlor.

Okay, Herman, give me a Department of Defense budget with anchovies and extra cheese. Have it delivered in a half hour or it's free.

I would rather a pizza guy running the country then an Acorn thug.:ohdear:

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Herman Caine likes his idea of 9-9-9 tax system. What are the chances that it would get through Congress? The answer is ZERO.

He is just a business community blowhard who think that a country can be run like a pizza parlor.

Okay, Herman, give me a Department of Defense budget with anchovies and extra cheese. Have it delivered in a half hour or it's free.

You either need remedial reading or stop letting your closed mind set interfere with your key strokes. I take it back, based on your response, you are not loyal opposition.

No one stated the whole plan would be implemented as you infer by distorting the context and truth of the OP. It's a classic "straw man" tactic where you attempt to redefine your oppostion's point to support your own agenda. Further, Cain doesn't run a pizza parlor as you infer. He is the CEO of a corporation that has 622 locations in 39 states. That is a little different then your biased representation to the contrary. He is former deputy chairman and chairman of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Before his business and economics career he worked as a mathematician in ballistics for the United States Navy (Wikipedia). Cain is also a prominent newspaper columnist. He isn't the "blowhard" in this thread.

I hope your nasty characterizations of Herman Cain are not indicative of more sinister motivation. For the moment, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. Have a nice day.

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Cain's 9-9-9-plan has many answers and depends on your present tax situation. Some will view it as a problem because it contains both an income tax and and national sales tax simultaneously and will have the potential to become the 29-29-29 Plan following the European welfare state. Others will complain that the 9% consumption tax unfair for anyone with after tax savings because it re-taxes money that has already been taxed; especially seniors whose nest eggs aren't earning and interest and/or being dramtically reduced by inflation and down markets. In effect it means retirees in this situation will be subsidizing everyone else; i.e a retroactive raise to a previous tax brackets by 9% more.

Forget all that because what we have here is a concept just like the Fiar Tax and the Value Tax both of which have inrinsic problems and can create unintended consequences for certain tax payers.

Irrespective of what plan people settle on thischange (reaction) will create a change (counter reaction) meaning spending. I have not met a governement employee who wasn't a spendthrift, especially with taxpayers money.

So when the Cain's of the world start their populist talk of reducing your tax burden you have to ask at what costs and for how long before government spendthrifts tell you more is needed.

IMHO our tax system is so complex and so entangled in our economic system the truth is any attempt to change it has to be tken in gradual steps lest we throw out the baby with the bath water.

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Herman Caine likes his idea of 9-9-9 tax system. What are the chances that it would get through Congress? The answer is ZERO.

He is just a business community blowhard who think that a country can be run like a pizza parlor.

Okay, Herman, give me a Department of Defense budget with anchovies and extra cheese. Have it delivered in a half hour or it's free.

You have to start the discussion and the fight somewhere. Are you one of those who say "Aww, nobody's gonna chang no matter what I think, so I'm not gonna even try". Did that philosophy ever do you much good elsewhere.

I applaud a man who has the nerve and vision to at least attempt to persuade people to buck the status quo, and envision that there can be a better way to do things.

I don't know how far Mr. Cain is going to get with his vision and his dream of transforming the way we think of the tax system, but anything that simplifies and streamlines the process has to be a good thing. For one, dismantling the onerous IRS into nothing more than an accounting firm that only has to add the simple numbers up is a pleasant thought.

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Cain's 9-9-9-plan has many answers and depends on your present tax situation. Some will view it as a problem because it contains both an income tax and and national sales tax simultaneously and will have the potential to become the 29-29-29 Plan following the European welfare state. Others will complain that the 9% consumption tax unfair for anyone with after tax savings because it re-taxes money that has already been taxed; especially seniors whose nest eggs aren't earning and interest and/or being dramtically reduced by inflation and down markets. In effect it means retirees in this situation will be subsidizing everyone else; i.e a retroactive raise to a previous tax brackets by 9% more.

Forget all that because what we have here is a concept just like the Fiar Tax and the Value Tax both of which have inrinsic problems and can create unintended consequences for certain tax payers.

Irrespective of what plan people settle on thischange (reaction) will create a change (counter reaction) meaning spending. I have not met a governement employee who wasn't a spendthrift, especially with taxpayers money.

So when the Cain's of the world start their populist talk of reducing your tax burden you have to ask at what costs and for how long before government spendthrifts tell you more is needed.

IMHO our tax system is so complex and so entangled in our economic system the truth is any attempt to change it has to be tken in gradual steps lest we throw out the baby with the bath water.

I can only respond that his plan is in phases so as to make changes gradually.

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Ok, I'd heard about the 9% income tax and 9% naitonal sales tax - what's the other '9' for?

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Ok, I'd heard about the 9% income tax and 9% naitonal sales tax - what's the other '9' for?

9% corporate tax.