Pelosi on Occupy Wall Street Protesters: " God bless them"

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pelosi-occupy-wall-street-protesters-god-bless-them_595117.html

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pelosi-occupy-wall-street-protesters-god-bless-them_595117.html

It's been days now while I've been waiting for someone to defend the 1%. But I've won my bet and correctly predicted the poster who would step up!

So it seems even 99% isn't enough to convince some folks that there is real social and economic inequity in America, and that this is a colossal problem. The history of nations repeatedly and unequivocally has demonstrated the opposite.

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It's been days now while I've been waiting for someone to defend the 1%. But I've won my bet and correctly predicted the poster who would step up!

So it seems even 99% isn't enough to convince some folks that there is real social and economic inequity in America, and that this is a colossal problem. The history of nations repeatedly and unequivocally has demonstrated the opposite.

So your saying we should be a socialist society? If that was truly the case then we would not have The Villages. A socialist society would deem us too rich to live in such a place. They would raze this place and build huts for all the people to live.

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villagegolfer, the "Occupy Wallstreet" protesters call themselves the 99 percent. The 99 percent is in contrast, they say, to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans who they claim get breaks others don't.

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I have no idea what you are spewing but it sounds like you are attacking me.



Are you saying that your in line with Pelosi?:MOJE_whot:

Duh!!!! :cus:

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I think it is ironic that the "99 percent" tweet, blog and post from iphones and other gadgets that were developed, marketed and sold by free market-free thinkers who didn't have "people over profits" in mind when they
worked to pursue their own self-interests. It also makes me shake my head to see them joined by Hollywood elite and labor unions. We know they are not looking at profits. Right?

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I think it is ironic that the "99 percent" tweet, blog and post from iphones and other gadgets that were developed, marketed and sold by free market-free thinkers who didn't have "people over profits" in mind when they
worked to pursue their own self-interests. It also makes me shake my head to see them joined by Hollywood elite and labor unions. We know they are not looking at profits. Right?
:agree: Very well said.

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How's that Hopey-Changey Stuff Workin' Out for Ya?



http://www.bizjournals.com/mobile/memphis/blog/morning_call/2011/10/census-home-ownership-drops-to.html

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It's been days now while I've been waiting for someone to defend the 1%. But I've won my bet and correctly predicted the poster who would step up!

So it seems even 99% isn't enough to convince some folks that there is real social and economic inequity in America, and that this is a colossal problem. The history of nations repeatedly and unequivocally has demonstrated the opposite.

http://patriotupdate.com/13054/meet-the-obama-link-to-wall-street-terror


Astroturfed means that the demonstration was manufactured to give the false appearance that it was a public groundswell.


http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Hundreds-march-in-LA-in-economic-protests-2206037.php#ixzz1a4iAQK2l

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I don't know about you, but I worked hard for what I have, both my wife and I did. Why would I want to share with someone who has done nothing but keep their hand out for handouts. Work and eat or don't work and don't eat, your choice. I am getting tried of the continual government handouts to the unions and those that are to lazy to work.

Time for a regime change in Foggy Bottom. Time to elect those that will work for the good of America and not for the good of their re-election.

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There are tons of entry level jobs going wanting. If the cuddling parents with 20-45 year olds living in the cellar, would kick them in the rear, the jobs would be filled quickly.

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I do volunteer work at the Christian Food Pantry in Lady Lake. Obviously, it sounds as though the word "Christian" does not mean anything to you. Well, lots of uber-conservatives tout themselves as good Christians or Jews but when it comes to helping those who need help, they would rather kick them in the teeth than to give help when needed.

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The Wall Street protests are the work of the Obama White House in that he continues his message of class warfare and it is a hateful and dangerous message.

The reason is simple Obama needs votes badly. That's why the unions are so heavily involved.

Also it is a counter offensive against the Tea Party movement which has frightened the delights out of the Dems.

The saving grace is that many Dems are keep a arm's length distance.


A CPA wrote an article in the Wall Street about "Moe the Millionaire. It seems he got himself a two year degree from a local community college and worked in insurance starting out at $9.000. Over the years he purchased a home for $95,000. He invested his money in a company his friends had started. We advance to his retiring. His house is now worth $450,000. he has no IRA or 401k but his friends are selling their business and he made a handsome profit of $950,000. Moe is now a millionaire and Obama wants an additional 5%.

Does this story resonate with at least half the people in The Villages

Prior to the mis-handling of our economy by OB many of our IRA's, etc were coming along nicely. Add up your assets and get ready because if you think OB's and the Dems plans to add a 5% tax on millionaires is going to fly, forget it. Because the really rich will just move their money to places you and I can't go and OB will continually drop the threshold of who gets taxed an additional 5%. If you don't agree think Alternative Minimum Tax because that was suppose to hit only the wealthy.

Finally OB once again invokes that "strawman" to deflect his inability. Now its millionaires who are the problem.

As I recollect from history there was a European leader who blamed all of his country's ills on a class of greedy and manuplative people.

Obviously, I do not believe that physical harm would come to millionaires but the consequences from trying to punish them because they are good at being profitable can be as dangerous.

If anyone believes they will be better off financially following Obama plans they may want to review our history for just the last 60 years.

The Wall Street protester are badly in need of an education

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I think my above comments apply well to your posts here as well. You sound like a schoolyard bully who can only think of global smears and accusations when confronted by simple facts. You can holler 'socialism' or be indignant about all the lazy people who are so inferior to you, but you cannot change these simple facts:

Since 2007 there are MILLIONS of hard working, honest Americans who have, through no fault of their own, lost their jobs, homes, businesses and/or life savings. It's a real problem, a serious threat to our nation.

The answer isn't socialism, which the naive college students being exploited by George Soros and the unions are wittingly or unwittingly calling for. Socialism is just the sharing of the misery, and that's been proven over and over every single time it's been tried, anywhere in the world, anytime it's been tried.

Someone disagrees with you and you have to call them a name to marginalize them. The name this time is, again, "bully". You say it and then think you made some point. It's misguided.

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So your saying we should be a socialist society? If that was truly the case then we would not have The Villages. A socialist society would deem us too rich to live in such a place. They would raze this place and build huts for all the people to live.

No, a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or Cuba style regime would not raze this place. They would promise it "For Free" to all the "ambitious", "productive" and "self-supporting" protesters whiling away the hours on Wall Street.

People who truly want a job are either on the job, or they are out on the streets and interstate highways, LOOKING seriously for a job.

Also, people who truly want a job are intent upon presenting themselves as EMPLOYABLE, as in showing a can-do ATTITUDE, and showing behavior that is adult-like and willing to be SUBORDINATE to an employer/boss.

Showing up like a dirty, swearing, unkempt bum who's defacating in public places is not the way people present themselves on national t.v. when they seriously want to find a job.

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:BigApplause:...What FIGMO said!

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We can agree to disagree but we ask that the discussions stay on the topic and not toward the member. Thanks in advance.

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I don't know about you, but I worked hard for what I have, both my wife and I did. Why would I want to share with someone who has done nothing but keep their hand out for handouts. Work and eat or don't work and don't eat, your choice. I am getting tried of the continual government handouts to the unions and those that are to lazy to work.

Time for a regime change in Foggy Bottom. Time to elect those that will work for the good of America and not for the good of their re-election.

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I don't know about you, but I worked hard for what I have, both my wife and I did. Why would I want to share with someone who has done nothing but keep their hand out for handouts. Work and eat or don't work and don't eat, your choice. I am getting tried of the continual government handouts to the unions and those that are to lazy to work.

Time for a regime change in Foggy Bottom. Time to elect those that will work for the good of America and not for the good of their re-election.

Man, you said it brother. My wife and I started from scratch (second marriage for both of us) while we were in our early 30's. Small apartment. I worked nights to put here through college. She worked nights and weekends as a waitress. It took 5 years of 60 hour work-weeks before we could save enough for starter home.
No sympathy for free loaders. Plenty of entry level jobs. Look at the Apple founder. No college and started business in family garage. He created thousands of jobs and made live better for millions. This is a great country.
We need to restore the spirit of free enterprise and get those bums out of Washington.

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Bloomberg: Protestors trying to destroy city's jobs

"(Reuters) - New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg accused anti-Wall Street protesters on Friday of trying to destroy jobs in the city, even as he said he was sympathetic to some of their complaints.......

"What they're trying to do is take the jobs away from people working in this city," Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show, adding that the protests "aren't productive" and weren't good for tourism.

"If the jobs they are trying to get rid of in this city -- the people that work in finance, which is a big part of our economy -- go away, we're not going to have any money to pay our municipal employees or clean our parks or anything else."..........

Wall Street is the pillar of the New York state economy, making up 13 percent of tax contributions.

"The protests that are trying to destroy the jobs of working people in this city aren't productive," Bloomberg said. "At the same time I'm sympathetic to some of their complaints." "There are some people with legitimate complaints."

The protesters are angry about the 2008 Wall Street bailout that critics say let banks enjoy huge profits while average Americans suffered high unemployment and job insecurity......

Bloomberg's comments came a day after President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged the frustration and anger of the protesters.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has also said he understood the anger being felt by the protesters but had to balance that with the economic importance of Wall Street to the state."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/08/us-usa-wallstreet-bloomberg-idUSTRE79704W20111008?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true

If they are so angry at the 2008 Wall Street Bailout, why don't they protest their PALS, the Democrat Congress that approved it for their pals like Clinton's former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, head of Citibank????

"Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin has served on the Citi board for a decade. For much of that time he was chairman of the executive committee, collecting tens of millions to massage the Beltway crowd, though apparently not for asking tough questions about risk management.

The writers at the Deal Journal blog remind us of one particularly egregious massaging, when Mr. Rubin tried to use political muscle to prop up Enron, a valued Citi client. Mr. Rubin asked a Treasury official to lean on credit-rating agencies to maintain a more positive rating than Enron deserved. What signal will President-elect Barack Obama send if his Administration, populated with Mr. Rubin's protégés, allows this uberfixer to continue flying hither and yon on the corporate jet while taxpayers foot the bill?"
Cit's Taxpayer Parachute - WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122757194671054783.html

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Man, you said it brother. My wife and I started from scratch (second marriage for both of us) while we were in our early 30's. Small apartment. I worked nights to put here through college. She worked nights and weekends as a waitress. It took 5 years of 60 hour work-weeks before we could save enough for starter home.
No sympathy for free loaders. Plenty of entry level jobs. Look at the Apple founder. No college and started business in family garage. He created thousands of jobs and made live better for millions. This is a great country.
We need to restore the spirit of free enterprise and get those bums out of Washington.

:posting:Ibid.
Somehow, Aesop's the "Ant and the grasshopper" comes to mind. Nobody gave it to me, I did it the hard way, I EARNED IT!!!!!!

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First wife might have been a democrat.

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Let's see liberals and the liberal media wait with baited breath to jump onto anything they remotely can steer toward acts of racism or homophobic allegations but praise Wall Street protesters who demonize bankers and brokers. This is a dangerous game. being played by Obama who is maintaining an arms length distance or lease the appearance thereof.

Watch the liberals try to equate these protesters with the Tea Party movement.

The biggest difference is that the Tea Party is about restoring America to its greatness while these protesters are playing class warfare.

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So your saying we should be a socialist society? If that was truly the case then we would not have The Villages. A socialist society would deem us too rich to live in such a place. They would raze this place and build huts for all the people to live.

Why do you persist in this socialist BS? And I have to laugh because The Villages is, in some parts, a socialist society.

Have you stopped screaming yet?

We all pay the monthly fees which allow us to access the rec centers, executive golf courses and swimming pools. We all pay the same based on the size of the house but not based on the amount of time spent in The Villages. So as snowbird I help to pay for these services even though for 5 months I have absolutely no access. This keeps the fees low for the entire group.....

You, would have to assume, take Social Security and Medicare as well as the new Medicare Drug plan. All of these are socialist programs. Now you are going to come back at me a say "I paid all of my life into these plans" Nope you didn't....not the drug plan. So if you are using the Medicare drug plan then you are accessing a socialist plan.

Would you rather pay full price for your drugs?

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Here's a big difference, @cologal. I'm not using Social Security or a government drug plan. I currently own three houses in TV. Just sold another one two weeks ago. Last month, I paid amenities fees, garbage and water/sewer and electric for four houses in TV. I did it by choice because I saw a capitalist opportunity. Not because I was forced. And I hope we make money on the next house we sell in TV. I've employed many contractors and gave my money to the lowest bidder with the best references. I've weeded out some I won't use anymore. I don't think that is a Socialist economy. Is it?

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Here's a big difference, @cologal. I'm not using Social Security or a government drug plan. I currently own three houses in TV. Just sold another one two weeks ago. Last month, I paid amenities fees, garbage and water/sewer and electric for four houses in TV. I did it by choice because I saw a capitalist opportunity. Not because I was forced. And I hope we make money on the next house we sell in TV. I've employed many contractors and gave my money to the lowest bidder with the best references. I've weeded out some I won't use anymore. I don't think that is a Socialist economy. Is it?

Sounds more like greed the way you explain it. i.e. If you have lots of money to start with, you can take advantage of some poor souls that are desperate to sell and and other poor souls that are desperate for work at any wage.

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It sure wasn't a socialist who built this beautiful place. For the record, I take no drugs except an inexpensive statin for cholesterol control.
This country has been heading toward socialism for years, especially Johnson's failed war on poverty. When you take taxpayer's money and give it away to layabouts and unionized thieves, you get countries going bankrupt, which is all over the globe.

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Here's a big difference, @cologal. I'm not using Social Security or a government drug plan. I currently own three houses in TV. Just sold another one two weeks ago. Last month, I paid amenities fees, garbage and water/sewer and electric for four houses in TV. I did it by choice because I saw a capitalist opportunity. Not because I was forced. And I hope we make money on the next house we sell in TV. I've employed many contractors and gave my money to the lowest bidder with the best references. I've weeded out some I won't use anymore. I don't think that is a Socialist economy. Is it?

I would agree....but that doesn't diminish the socialist aspects of The Villages.

Good for you....I am just trying to pay off my mortgages so I can retire and use all the Socialist programs available to me.....

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It sure wasn't a socialist who built this beautiful place. For the record, I take no drugs except an inexpensive statin for cholesterol control.
This country has been heading toward socialism for years, especially Johnson's failed war on poverty. When you take taxpayer's money and give it away to layabouts and unionized thieves, you get countries going bankrupt, which is all over the globe.

The point is did you get them through the Medicare Drug plan?

Proably so.

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The point is did you get them through the Medicare Drug plan?

Proably so.

No, I get them at WalMart, a good capitalist retail.

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any conservatives out there find themselves agreeing with the occupy Wall St.protests? Bail outs angered me. They have it right. ....if a company is too big to fail,it is too big to exist. Our gov't has failed us....where is Teddy Roosevelt,he had it right. This is not about hand-outs or lazy bums as some of you insist,it's about people who have worked their entire lives and are being screwed by corporate greed. America is turning into a plutocracy and some of you don't get it.

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Sounds more like greed the way you explain it. i.e. If you have lots of money to start with, you can take advantage of some poor souls that are desperate to sell and and other poor souls that are desperate for work at any wage.

I really don't understand your point.

How on earth is it greed to buy houses from people who are desperate to sell?
I'm sure they are relieved that they are able to move on with their lives!

And if someone is desperate for work so they can feed their family, how is it greed to give them employment?

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Sounds more like greed the way you explain it. i.e. If you have lots of money to start with, you can take advantage of some poor souls that are desperate to sell and and other poor souls that are desperate for work at any wage.


Yeah, I took advantage of a family who had lost their parents and two separate women who had lost their husbands. One of the women had beginning stage Alzheimers, The Villager II.

I paid them money for a manufactured home they don't want, need or can't afford (physically, financially, emotionally, et al) anymore but I find beautiful, usable and lovable. There are some beautiful views from there my friend. And, just so we are straight. I don't think we were greedy. Just surviving an early retirement and stretching our dollars, My Friend.

I pray you are doing well with retirement?

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Oh, and the people we took advantage of by paying them to paint, do lawnwork and clean; they pay their taxes. Plenty of them. They employ about 15 people fulltime during the peak months. How many do you employ?

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The point is did you get them through the Medicare Drug plan?

Proably so.

What difference does it make? Medicare only pays the Pharmacy fractions of pennys on the dollar!

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How's that Hopey-Changey Stuff Workin' Out for Ya?



http://www.bizjournals.com/mobile/memphis/blog/morning_call/2011/10/census-home-ownership-drops-to.html

About as well as that Bushie thing did.

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About as well as that Bushie thing did.

That Bushie thing. You didn't just say that did you? Teehee. Bushie thing. Cologal...tsk, tsk. LOL jk

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About as well as that Bushie thing did.

Hey, it's Saturday night. Date night.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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No, I get them at WalMart, a good capitalist retail.

Yep....discriminates against women and runs local small businesses out of the area.

You should shop there.... I shop at the Marion Market. I support local business.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pelosi-occupy-wall-street-protesters-god-bless-them_595117.html

Pelosi and Ried and for that matter NO Bama. Think about it. The Wall Street CEOs that they want to (now) hang are and have been responsible for their own pension plans. Wow, Nancy Pelosi what a JOKE

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Yep....discriminates against women and runs local small businesses out of the area.

You should shop there.... I shop at the Marion Market. I support local business.

I do support local business when I can but can't resist Walmart prices for drugs.

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This should really get your panties in a wad, cologal. I get my medication free from the government. But I had to travel to a foreign country, meet wonderful and delightful people. Wasn't my idea of the perfect vacation.

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This should really get your panties in a wad, cologal. I get my medication free from the government. But I had to travel to a foreign country, meet wonderful and delightful people. Wasn't my idea of the perfect vacation.

Thank you for your service..... I am not sure why you would think that your service would get my panties in a wad. My sister is on TriCare as a dependent of a retired military officer. And 3 of my nephews receive heathcare from military hospitals as all of them are currently serving in the military..

Navy Lt Junior Grade.... JAX
Gunnery Sargent USMC ...currently on a 1 year float awarded the Purple Heart in Iraq. He has had 5 all expense paid vacations to that region.
Captain USA Reserves IL National Guard.

Anyone on Social Sercurity and Medicare is particating in a Socialist program end of story.

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Correction: Anyone on Social Security is participating in a Ponzi scheme.:blahblahblah:

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I do support local business when I can but can't resist Walmart prices for drugs.

Understood...but think about this what happens when all the local guys are driven out?

Here in Colorado we used to have many locally owned book stores and toy stores. Almost all of them are gone. The only one remaining is the Tattered Cover in Denver. Note: This started long before the IPad, Amazon and the like.

Yes its capitalism but the dark side of capitalism.

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The Wall Street protests are the work of the Obama White House in that he continues his message of class warfare and it is a hateful and dangerous message.

The reason is simple Obama needs votes badly. That's why the unions are so heavily involved.

Also it is a counter offensive against the Tea Party movement which has frightened the delights out of the Dems.

The saving grace is that many Dem's are keep a arm's length distance.


A CPA wrote an article in the Wall Street about "Moe the Millionaire. It seems he got himself a two year degree from a local community college and worked in insurance starting out at $9.000. Over the years he purchased a home for $95,000. He invested his money in a company his friends had started. We advance to his retiring. His house is now worth $450,000. he has no IRA or 401k but his friends are selling their business and he made a handsome profit of $950,000. Moe is now a millionaire and Obama wants an additional 5%.

Does this story resonate with at least half the people in The Villages

Prior to the mis-handling of our economy by OB many of our IRA's, etc were coming along nicely. Add up your assets and get ready because if you think OB's and the Dems plans to add a 5% tax on millionaires is going to fly, forget it. Because the really rich will just move their money to places you and I can't go and OB will continually drop the threshold of who gets taxed an additional 5%. If you don't agree think Alternative Minimum Tax because that was suppose to hit only the wealthy.

Finally OB once again invokes that "strawman" to deflect his inability. Now its millionaires who are the problem.

As I recollect from history there was a European leader who blamed all of his country's ills on a class of greedy and manuplative people.

Obviously, I do not believe that physical harm would come to millionaires but the consequences from trying to punish them because they are good at being profitable can be as dangerous.

If anyone believes they will be better off financially following Obama plans they may want to review our history for just the last 60 years.

The Wall Street protester are badly in need of an education

You sir are in need of an education in regard to the protestors....

A hearty capitalist market needs 2 things goods (supply) and people to buy (demand). So you can make any type of goods you want at the highest quality but if someone doesn't have a job they won't buy your goods. If you don't sell your goods you won't make money and your company will go down.

Companies for, at least, the last 20 years have been shedding jobs. The announcements ususally said this action was taken to improve shareholder value. It certainly isn't to improve the company. Now my company which has been cut to the bone, 3 plants can now fit into 1 building, was purchased 6 months ago....we were hoping for a breath of fresh air. But alas it was not to be. The new company said they needed a cut of 250 million dollars before the end of the year. Were are talking Auguest is when this started. Where did they look? So 8% more of the employees are gone...in the name of share holder value.

These types of business practices are what is being protested. When my CEO left he took a 47 million dollar payout and I lost the last 4 years of my pension. We were told are wages were lower because we got a pension.

All of the tax cuts go to the rich....as you all would say its because they are the job creators. BS Total BS. Why don't you take a look at Koch Industries check out how much the brother wealth went up verses the amount of jobs they killed.

Wake up.....

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I watched interviews with these so-called protesters, which most were bused in,and they do not know what the heck they are saying. Most are smelly looking hippies with nothing to do to occupy their small minds. And they trash everything they come in contact with, unlike the Tea Party people who clean up after themselves.

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Correction: Anyone on Social Security is participating in a Ponzi scheme.:blahblahblah:

You are always good for a chuckle! :1rotfl:

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cologal, thank them for their service. Anythng they get from the government is earned and they deserve it. It ain't easy being on tap by Uncle Sam to go to such wonderful places he is now sending our boys and girls. The squatters on Wall Street need to clean up, get a better education than what they have received at to high a price and then work towards getting a job.

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Understood...but think about this what happens when all the local guys are driven out?

Here in Colorado we used to have many locally owned book stores and toy stores. Almost all of them are gone. The only one remaining is the Tattered Cover in Denver. Note: This started long before the IPad, Amazon and the like.

Yes its capitalism but the dark side of capitalism.

And the "dark side" of your precious socialism is that not only are there no local business owners, but there are NO INDIVDUAL OWNERS, PERIOD, and all schools, media and communication/broadcasting entities are state-owned.

This is the part that today's Democrats conveniently ignore when promising things for "free" to lock in votes:

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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I can remember living in an apartment for five years. I hated it. Owning your own home is so satisfying. I feel bad for people who live under socialism.

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I can remember living in an apartment for five years. I hated it. Owning your own home is so satisfying. I feel bad for people who live under socialism.

Most people in Europe have socialist goverments....France and Germany.

That's the US work force of my company was cut harder due to the rules in Europe.

I am sure my buds that got cut are very happy they live in capitalism that totally screws workers.

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Most people in Europe have socialist goverments....France and Germany.

That's the US work force of my company was cut harder due to the rules in Europe.

I am sure my buds that got cut are very happy they live in capitalism that totally screws workers.

Well, I can sympathize with losing a job. I worked for a place for many years and felt bitter when I was let go. But when a door closes on you , you have to look for another to open. No system is perfect but more people want to come to the USA- then want to leave it.

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And the "dark side" of your precious socialism is that not only are there no local business owners, but there are NO INDIVDUAL OWNERS, PERIOD, and all schools, media and communication/broadcasting entities are state-owned.

This is the part that today's Democrats conveniently ignore when promising things for "free" to lock in votes:

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

EXCUSE ME BUT ARE YOU CALLING ME A SOCIALIST?


Give me a break.... There are always 2 sides to every story. And you confuse socialism with communism. Get your facts straight before you hurl again.

My friends in France have privately owned homes and operate private business.

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You sir are in need of an education in regard to the protestors....

A hearty capitalist market needs 2 things goods (supply) and people to buy (demand). So you can make any type of goods you want at the highest quality but if someone doesn't have a job they won't buy your goods. If you don't sell your goods you won't make money and your company will go down.

Companies for, at least, the last 20 years have been shedding jobs. The announcements ususally said this action was taken to improve shareholder value. It certainly isn't to improve the company. Now my company which has been cut to the bone, 3 plants can now fit into 1 building, was purchased 6 months ago....we were hoping for a breath of fresh air. But alas it was not to be. The new company said they needed a cut of 250 million dollars before the end of the year. Were are talking Auguest is when this started. Where did they look? So 8% more of the employees are gone...in the name of share holder value.

These types of business practices are what is being protested. When my CEO left he took a 47 million dollar payout and I lost the last 4 years of my pension. We were told are wages were lower because we got a pension.

All of the tax cuts go to the rich....as you all would say its because they are the job creators. BS Total BS. Why don't you take a look at Koch Industries check out how much the brother wealth went up verses the amount of jobs they killed.

Wake up.....

It so happens that Economics was my best subject.

At the age of 49 my company of 20 years also let me go. I made a promise to myself that I would not collect unemployment. I was able to honor that promise because I had invested wisely and so after a six month search I resume my career. I only make reference to this so that you understand that I understand what it means to lose a job. By the way I was quite ill during that period of my job search

You apparently do not understand how corporations work. The biggest concern I have for our country is that liberals really believe that you can legislate fairness. For whatever reason they reason that its not fair that corporate executives to be bonused,etc. Liberals attempt some imaginary mathematical formula so as to equalize pay between executives and the work force. But the truth is market forces/ aka demands, set values.

You also confuse the chicken/ egg scenario.You are right that people need money in their pockets to buy goods. However their money doesn't come from the money tree. Businesses provide jobs and based on market forces value those jobs value as respects compensation and benefits. You bet a corporation is not going to hire anymore people than what it needs. Would you? and would you hold positions if your company was experiencing a down turn? I doubt it. A company like a person fight s for its survival

There are some legitimate complaints by the Wall Street protesters, primarily that the government should not have bailed them out it only made big too fail companies bigger.

Bottom line liberals continue to ignore the realities of life and it continues to work against them and that reality is life is not fair....Me

I long ago recognized that there will always be
people better looking than me
people richer than me
people smarter than me
people healthier than me

It doesn't make me anger but it does help me continue my personal fight to provide the best living I am able for my family and me. By the way that called competing, something a number of those Wall Street protesters seem to ignore in favor of their push for entitlements

Finally the impetus of this Wall Street Protest was the product of Obama's class warfare against banks,et al. Obama needs to blame someone for his failings. He also needs votes and that is why soros (Move On .org) and the SEIU, etc are involved.

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It so happens that Economics was my best subject.

At the age of 49 my company of 20 years also let me go. I made a promise to myself that I would not collect unemployment. I was able to honor that promise because I had invested wisely and so after a six month search I resume my career. I only make reference to this so that you understand that I understand what it means to lose a job. By the way I was quite ill during that period of my job search

You apparently do not understand how corporations work. The biggest concern I have for our country is that liberals really believe that you can legislate fairness. For whatever reason they reason that its not fair that corporate executives to be bonused,etc. Liberals attempt some imaginary mathematical formula so as to equalize pay between executives and the work force. But the truth is market forces/ aka demands, set values.

You also confuse the chicken/ egg scenario.You are right that people need money in their pockets to buy goods. However their money doesn't come from the money tree. Businesses provide jobs and based on market forces value those jobs value as respects compensation and benefits. You bet a corporation is not going to hire anymore people than what it needs. Would you? and would you hold positions if your company was experiencing a down turn? I doubt it. A company like a person fight s for its survival

There are some legitimate complaints by the Wall Street protesters, primarily that the government should not have bailed them out it only made big too fail companies bigger.

Bottom line liberals continue to ignore the realities of life and it continues to work against them and that reality is life is not fair....Me

I long ago recognized that there will always be
people better looking than me
people richer than me
people smarter than me
people healthier than me

It doesn't make me anger but it does help me continue my personal fight to provide the best living I am able for my family and me. By the way that called competing, something a number of those Wall Street protesters seem to ignore in favor of their push for entitlements

Finally the impetus of this Wall Street Protest was the product of Obama's class warfare against banks,et al. Obama needs to blame someone for his failings. He also needs votes and that is why soros (Move On .org) and the SEIU, etc are involved.
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

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Well, I can sympathize with losing a job. I worked for a place for many years and felt bitter when I was let go. But when a door closes on you , you have to look for another to open. No system is perfect but more people want to come to the USA- then want to leave it.

It is a terrible time at my company.....luck for me I survived. Now if I can just pay off my mortgages I might be able to get out in a couple of years.

One of my friends that got laid off was a top performing sales rep...2 weeks after they laid him off they hired a 20 something to do his job. Their title is CLP....we call them the Child Labor Pool.

Its all in the name of profit.

[Guest]

It so happens that Economics was my best subject.

At the age of 49 my company of 20 years also let me go. I made a promise to myself that I would not collect unemployment. I was able to honor that promise because I had invested wisely and so after a six month search I resume my career. I only make reference to this so that you understand that I understand what it means to lose a job. By the way I was quite ill during that period of my job search

You apparently do not understand how corporations work. The biggest concern I have for our country is that liberals really believe that you can legislate fairness. For whatever reason they reason that its not fair that corporate executives to be bonused,etc. Liberals attempt some imaginary mathematical formula so as to equalize pay between executives and the work force. But the truth is market forces/ aka demands, set values.

You also confuse the chicken/ egg scenario.You are right that people need money in their pockets to buy goods. However their money doesn't come from the money tree. Businesses provide jobs and based on market forces value those jobs value as respects compensation and benefits. You bet a corporation is not going to hire anymore people than what it needs. Would you? and would you hold positions if your company was experiencing a down turn? I doubt it. A company like a person fight s for its survival

There are some legitimate complaints by the Wall Street protesters, primarily that the government should not have bailed them out it only made big too fail companies bigger.

Bottom line liberals continue to ignore the realities of life and it continues to work against them and that reality is life is not fair....Me

I long ago recognized that there will always be
people better looking than me
people richer than me
people smarter than me
people healthier than me

It doesn't make me anger but it does help me continue my personal fight to provide the best living I am able for my family and me. By the way that called competing, something a number of those Wall Street protesters seem to ignore in favor of their push for entitlements

Finally the impetus of this Wall Street Protest was the product of Obama's class warfare against banks,et al. Obama needs to blame someone for his failings. He also needs votes and that is why soros (Move On .org) and the SEIU, etc are involved.

I understand corporations and I was once let go. Never took any assistance either. You all seem to think that anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal or socialist....funny. If you and I sat down and had a conversation on immigration you would be surprised.

You said liberals try to legislate fairness but as we both know conservatives try to ligislate morals......

There is class warfare going on mainly, as I see it, by the Republican party. Why are the Republicans against raising taxes on everyone but the middleclass?

[Guest]

I understand corporations and I was once let go. Never took any assistance either. You all seem to think that anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal or socialist....funny. If you and I sat down and had a conversation on immigration you would be surprised.

You said liberals try to legislate fairness but as we both know conservatives try to ligislate morals......

There is class warfare going on mainly, as I see it, by the Republican party. Why are the Republicans against raising taxes on everyone but the middleclass?

Why does 50% of USA citizens pay no taxes?

[Guest]

It so happens that Economics was my best subject.

At the age of 49 my company of 20 years also let me go. I made a promise to myself that I would not collect unemployment. I was able to honor that promise because I had invested wisely and so after a six month search I resume my career. I only make reference to this so that you understand that I understand what it means to lose a job. By the way I was quite ill during that period of my job search

You apparently do not understand how corporations work. The biggest concern I have for our country is that liberals really believe that you can legislate fairness. For whatever reason they reason that its not fair that corporate executives to be bonused,etc. Liberals attempt some imaginary mathematical formula so as to equalize pay between executives and the work force. But the truth is market forces/ aka demands, set values.

You also confuse the chicken/ egg scenario.You are right that people need money in their pockets to buy goods. However their money doesn't come from the money tree. Businesses provide jobs and based on market forces value those jobs value as respects compensation and benefits. You bet a corporation is not going to hire anymore people than what it needs. Would you? and would you hold positions if your company was experiencing a down turn? I doubt it. A company like a person fight s for its survival

There are some legitimate complaints by the Wall Street protesters, primarily that the government should not have bailed them out it only made big too fail companies bigger.

Bottom line liberals continue to ignore the realities of life and it continues to work against them and that reality is life is not fair....Me

I long ago recognized that there will always be
people better looking than me
people richer than me
people smarter than me
people healthier than me

It doesn't make me anger but it does help me continue my personal fight to provide the best living I am able for my family and me. By the way that called competing, something a number of those Wall Street protesters seem to ignore in favor of their push for entitlements

Finally the impetus of this Wall Street Protest was the product of Obama's class warfare against banks,et al. Obama needs to blame someone for his failings. He also needs votes and that is why soros (Move On .org) and the SEIU, etc are involved.


WELL SAID RUBICON! Especially reinforced by cologal proving your facts within the hour!

:bigbow:


...by the way, may I quote you? :cool:

[Guest]

Why does 50% of USA citizens pay no taxes?

Thanks for the standard line from Fox Noise...... Its called INCOME TAX so to pay that tax you have to make enough money. Make sense? But even those people pay taxes namely payroll taxes, SS taxes etc. Now I know the payroll tax is suspended right now.

I know my tax rate its 28%....which is much higher than many millionaires and corporations. I also know I got NO relief from the Bush tax cuts....Not rich enough.

So your point is to make those 50% pay their fair share.....

Check this out....certainly not a liberal site.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-31/home/30073202_1_income-tax-federal-income-state-and-local-income

I like the flat tax idea one percentage for all.

[Guest]

cologal,you are sparring with people who will not agree with anything you write. Their minds are made up. I do have one question for them though...Why is it socialism to ask the richest to pay more in taxes but it's fine to raise the taxes of our poorest?

[Guest]

EXCUSE ME BUT ARE YOU CALLING ME A SOCIALIST?


Give me a break.... There are always 2 sides to every story. And you confuse socialism with communism. Get your facts straight before you hurl again.

My friends in France have privately owned homes and operate private business.

Oh me, Oh my!!!!! I'm so scared! I'm just quivering with fear!

[Guest]

cologal,you are sparring with people who will not agree with anything you write. Their minds are made up. I do have one question for them though...Why is it socialism to ask the richest to pay more in taxes but it's fine to raise the taxes of our poorest?

So, liberal minds are flexible? :1rotfl:

[Guest]

The people on Wall St broke the country and they did it one mortgage at a time. This happened more than 3 years ago and there still is no accountability and no real effort to fix it.
Why Americans hate Wall St and big banks and want them to die? Bank of America just gave out 11 million in bonusses to two departing idiots because things did not work out. They pay fired execs more in severance that the average American will make in a lifetime. All of this as the B of A is raising fees on all banking and laying off 10's of thousandsof workers. This is just plain stupid. The average American is not a class warrior or a woe is me whiner. But the average American simply believes that extraordinary rewards should go to people who do extraordinary things not to paper pushing failures at parasite banks. This is the piggish mentality that many people are marching against. I hope this spreads al over America and if it comes to Florida I will be ther with them.

[Guest]

Thanks for the standard line from Fox Noise...... Its called INCOME TAX so to pay that tax you have to make enough money. Make sense? But even those people pay taxes namely payroll taxes, SS taxes etc. Now I know the payroll tax is suspended right now.

I know my tax rate its 28%....which is much higher than many millionaires and corporations. I also know I got NO relief from the Bush tax cuts....Not rich enough.

So your point is to make those 50% pay their fair share.....

Check this out....certainly not a liberal site.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-31/home/30073202_1_income-tax-federal-income-state-and-local-income

I like the flat tax idea one percentage for all.
I have told you many times that I hardly watch that channel. I do catch Bill O'Reilly when I think of it. This summer I was on golf course until dark and when I arrived home it was over. I do like TCM though

[Guest]

Oh me, Oh my!!!!! I'm so scared! I'm just quivering with fear!

From what? You are the one that hurled on me.

[Guest]

I have told you many times that I hardly watch that channel. I do catch Bill O'Reilly when I think of it. This summer I was on golf course until dark and when I arrived home it was over. I do like TCM though

But if the corps aren't paying taxes and the rich got theres cut and the poor don't pay taxes..... Whose left to pay?

[Guest]

It is not just the young losers (as you GNopers call them) who are marching in the major cities of America. It includes many of the middle class who have lost jobs due to corporations greed. GE made a record profit last year and paid no taxes. Now, the idiot Republicans are saying there still should be no taxes on the super rich.

Wake up, clowns. This is the same grass-roots movement that got the United States to reverse it's course in Vietnam during the 1960's. A major ground swell like this can topple Wall Street as well as corporate greed.

[Guest]

It is not just the young losers (as you GNopers call them) who are marching in the major cities of America. It includes many of the middle class who have lost jobs due to corporations greed. GE made a record profit last year and paid no taxes. Now, the idiot Republicans are saying there still should be no taxes on the super rich.

Wake up, clowns. This is the same grass-roots movement that got the United States to reverse it's course in Vietnam during the 1960's. A major ground swell like this can topple Wall Street as well as corporate greed.

You don't have a handle on the news. You've misread the crowd protesting and misread the story. Dig a little buddy.

[Guest]

To Figmo and others.

The "why should my money, which *I* worker hard for, go to those who didn't earn it" question is proceeding from a false assumption.

Take a look at where the money goes in the Federal budget. If you combine interest on the debt, military spending, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - you have spoken for the overwhelming majority of said budget. These are not the "welfare queens" of decades past.

You may wonder where those tax dollars are going. But keep in mind that, as a percentage of GDP, we ar being taxed less than at any time in the last 60 years. I know that sounds hard to believe but it's a fact.

So that tax hike that you'll be complaining about isn't to pay for the lazy bums. It's to pay for Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the military. It's to pay for DHS, which didn't exist 10 years ago. It pays the debt, who's credit rating has kept your mortgage interest payments at a fraction of what they used to be (I remember the 21% prime rate of 1980). It's to pay for Carter's Medicare expansion, Reagan's Social Security expansion and Bush's prescription drug benefit. It's to pay for those schools that were built from the 1930s-60s that are crumbling now. The 40-year-old-and-up interstates who's maintenance was deferred. The sewer systems and treatment plants that make it so that Boston doesn't stink like a cesspool in the summer because the harbor is no longer a dump. It pays for things that mean fish have returned to the river next to my house after a 50 year absence. It means that I can see Boston's skyscrapers from 10 miles away instead of a haze. It means the Cuyahoga River doesn't burn anymore. It means we're not finding new "Love Canals" every other month or places like the toxic waste dump they buried under an office park where I worked (so I had to be tested for leukemia for decades).

THAT is just a FEW of the places where the money goes - including the largest shares.

[Guest]

cologal,you are sparring with people who will not agree with anything you write. Their minds are made up. I do have one question for them though...Why is it socialism to ask the richest to pay more in taxes but it's fine to raise the taxes of our poorest?

waynet, I respectably suggest that you not fall for that populist line. First it is not the entire story. secondly since the beginning of time someone has made a fortune turning poor people against rich people. third you can't hurt rich people they are rich because they understand the monetary system in which they operate and as such will only make more money. finally in your quest to support Obama on getting the man will cost you because those middle class citizen will end up paying more taxes, not rich peoiple.

Hint: this Obama inititative was tried a few years back. It was called the Alternative Minimu Tax and was suppose to catch those rich people that were escaping taxes. You read well so ou know that the AMT hurt middle class people only.

[Guest]

WELL SAID RUBICON! Especially reinforced by cologal proving your facts within the hour!

:bigbow:


...by the way, may I quote you? :cool:

Yes you may. By the way I have learned quite a bit from your posts. Thank you

[Guest]

Rubicon,I just want to know why some of our posters keep defending the rich and the huge banks and corporations at my expense. If these two groups do not pay their fair share of taxes then that burden will fall on me and other middle class people. The rich have never been richer,corporations are reporting record profits yet the middle class is getting pounded. Layoffs, record bonusses. Yes government is too big but to blame all our problems on gov't is too narrow-minded and simplistic for me. Right or wrong I feel more of an allegiance to the Wall st. protesters than to the Tea Party.

[Guest]

Rubicon,I just want to know why some of our posters keep defending the rich and the huge banks and corporations at my expense. If these two groups do not pay their fair share of taxes then that burden will fall on me and other middle class people. The rich have never been richer,corporations are reporting record profits yet the middle class is getting pounded. Layoffs, record bonusses. Yes government is too big but to blame all our problems on gov't is too narrow-minded and simplistic for me. Right or wrong I feel more of an allegiance to the Wall st. protesters than to the Tea Party.

Please try to think more deeply. It really is simple. If we just try to go back to the basics we had after WWII we would recover from this nighhtmare.

[Guest]

Yes, if we went back to having every other industrialized nation's production capacity bombed to rubble, we could once again be the only manufacturing powerhouse on the planet.

Now that we have to compete with these countries, it isn't so easy as it was back then.