Accident at LSL Square Sat night about 9pm

[taylor111947]

Anyone know what happened? EMS and police were there a long time. I hope it wasn't too serious.

[pooh]

I could see the flashing lights while viewing the square on the web cam. I, too, hope things weren't too serious.
Nothing noted on the incident page for Sumter County fire and police.... http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=375

[mac9]

A friend was a witness to the incident. It was no accident. A man jumped from a car with a pipe in his hand and accosted another man. He beat the man with the pipe and jumped back into his car and took off, leaving the bloodied man lying in the street. Police were called and the EMTs. Several people were able to provide the police with the license number of the vehicle. The police were there so long because so many people saw the incident and were being interviewed.
Wonder how the Daily Sun will report this?!

[villagegolfer]

a friend was a witness to the incident. It was no accident. A man jumped from a car with a pipe in his hand and accosted another man. He beat the man with the pipe and jumped back into his car and took off, leaving the bloodied man lying in the street. Police were called and the emts. Several people were able to provide the police with the license number of the vehicle. The police were there so long because so many people saw the incident and were being interviewed.
Wonder how the daily sun will report this?!
omg

[Posh 08]

I'm not feeling the love all of a sudden.

[villagegolfer]

I'm not feeling the love all of a sudden.

Maybe it was not a random thing. Maybe they knew each other or someone paid this person to do bodily harm.

[Chi-Town]

Could have been random. Maybe an exchange about the driver being inconsiderate of people crossing or who knows. It doesn't take much to set off a road rage incident. Doubt if it was set up, too many witnesses for a drive by. The main thing is that this is one of the things I don't miss. There were four people killed and twenty-three wounded in incidents around Chicago this weekend. But those were mostly gang and family related.

[villagegolfer]

Could have been random. Maybe an exchange about the driver being inconsiderate of people crossing or who knows. It doesn't take much to set off a road rage incident. Doubt if it was set up, too many witnesses for a drive by. The main thing is that this is one of the things I don't miss. There were four people killed and twenty-three wounded in incidents around Chicago this weekend. But those were mostly gang and family related.

Seems extreme for road rage. This happened at the square, right?

[batman911]

Irate husband?

[Chi-Town]

Seems extreme for road rage. This happened at the square, right?
Hardly extreme for road rage. I have seen some incidents over the years that would keep you up at night. And a few times it involved someone on the street saying something to someone in a car or vice versa (hence road rage or maybe pedestrian road rage).

[John_W]

...Wonder how the Daily Sun will report this?!

I remember one crowed night at LSL this past July and a brand new car caught on fire at the corner of the square by Urban Flats. I never saw it in the newspaper or remember anyone posting about it on here.

I was crossing the street and noticed the car smoking and some guy was laying in the street trying to pull something out from underneath. It started to get some flames and 3 or 4 people were running around trying to get stuff out of the car, suddenly a guy ran up with a fire extinguisher. Within about 30 seconds it appeared to go out, but then the extinguisher ran out and the fire came back. A crowd of maybe 300-400 began to gather round. The band stopped the music and came to watch, I ran over and got my wife and said let's move back in case that gas tanks blows. Finally two fire trucks and a couple of police cars pull up and put out the fire. The car was pushed over into a parking spot and became a tourist area for the rest of the evening. I think it was a brand new black Chevy with Texas license plates, maybe a rental car.

[Larry Wilson]

I've seen fights at the square and never saw one reported in the sun. Usually started by a jerk over chairs or someone bumps into someone and spills a drink.
The biggest brawl I ever saw was 4 or 5 years ago at a Christmas tree lightning. Big, big crowd at Lake Sumter. (That's a big part of the problem) People get into fights over parking spots and chairs-there is never half enough)
Right after the lightning, the band stated an electric slide line dance. There was no room and a guy bumped a big lady. She grabbed him by the shoulders and threw him into the chairs which also knocked his wife into the chairs. He got up and put the lady into a head lock and threw her into the chairs. Then everybody got in on it. One side were bashing the man for touching a women. The other side was saying she started it and were bashing the people that were bashing the man. It turned into a full scale brawl. Chairs were flying. Mainly guys punching and women trying to stop their men. I never saw anything like it. People were just so close that everybody was bumping into each other. I think many were drunk.
I got out of there as soon as I could. Never saw anything in the paper.

Before anyone attacks me, remember I have been here many, many years and never saw anything like it before or since.
I love it here but its not all roses and sunshine. Every now and then something ugly happens. I hope they catch the guy with the pipe.

[villagegolfer]

Yea, but these incidences are few and far between. I have been here a year and have never seen an argument or a fight. Kind of boring, huh?

[philnpat]

As far as reading about it tomorrow in the Sun...the uninformed will then be misinformed.

[villagegolfer]

As far as reading about it tomorrow in the Sun...the uninformed will then be misinformed.

Are you saying that the Daily sun will not report the facts?

[graciegirl]

I like the Sun.

I imagine that if what is reported here is true that there will be news about it in tomorrow's paper.

I haven't ever seen violence here in three years time. I wonder what caused this.

[Indydealmaker]

I like the Sun.

I imagine that if what is reported here is true that there will be news about it in tomorrow's paper.

I haven't ever seen violence here in three years time. I wonder what caused this.

Gracie, Never fear. Jumping from a car and attacking with a pipe. This kind of attack smacks of something personal. Unlikely to be random.

[chuckinca]

I disagree.

Road rage is random. If I was planning to attack someone with a pipe, I wouldn't do it in the middle of the town square.

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[doccrocker]

Since I don't live in The Villages, yet, I don't get to read the Sun, but I got to thinking that as far as reportage is concerned, I wonder if bad stuff is downplayed. There is an image issue for The Villages. For myself, I'd rather know the facts, but "editing the movie" to get a PG rating has become politically correct.

[tippyclubb]

Wow, it's hard to believe something like this happened in TV. However, it won't stop us from moving there!

Yes, it will be interesting to see if its reported in the Daily Sun.

[Barefoot]

[QUOTE=doccrocker;404321]

I got to thinking that as far as reportage is concerned, I wonder if bad stuff is downplayed.
--------------------------------------------

Yes, IMHO. That's why we call TV The Bubble! But sometimes it is calming to read about quilting bees as opposed to wars, famine and violence.

[Indydealmaker]

I disagree.

Road rage is random. If I was planning to attack someone with a pipe, I wouldn't do it in the middle of the town square.

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I agree with you that if this attack was promulgated by road rage, then it was likely random. Hopefully 5 mph traffic at the square did not feed road rage. I favor the love triangle motive.

[graciegirl]

Will those involved be residents or younger visitors, do you think?

[jebartle]

The "Daily Fun" will gloss over this story....Sure hope the bloodied man is OK....My, my, my...Wish everyone involved had adopted the "Brillo technique"!
:popcorn::popcorn:

[tainsley]

When we were down in July, we were up at Spanish Springs on the weekend and noticed alot of young people hanging out. There was a policeman parked right at the Square both nights. We wondered if there had been problems there on the weekends.

[red tail]

i read somewhere that there is a lady lake officer assigned to ss during certain periods. has nothing to do with trouble.

[BlueHeronFan]

It will be reported in the Daily Sun if there is police involved. At least that is what I see when I read the Sun. There is constant reporting of these types in the Police Blotter.

Surely folks don't expect them to do a feature on it.

[philnpat]

I guess we'll have to wait for the blotter...I didn't see anything about the incident in the Sun this morning.

[graciegirl]

I guess we'll have to wait for the blotter...I didn't see anything about the incident in the Sun this morning.

Same here. The blotter had a week ago Saturday but not this Saturday yet.

Nothing else I could see.

[kathy and al]

Since this incident happened at 9 p.m. on Sunday night, there's a pretty good chance that at that late a time (especially on a Sunday) it would not have sufficient time to make the Monday morning paper. If it is reported at all I'd probably look for it on Tuesday.

[Russ_Boston]

Someone please keep us up to date on whether it is in the Sun or not tomorrow.

[nitehawk]

If the victim had shot and killed the attacker would that be justifiable homicide
Maybe good idea to pack when at the square

[villagegolfer]

Since this incident happened at 9 p.m. on Sunday night, there's a pretty good chance that at that late a time (especially on a Sunday) it would not have sufficient time to make the Monday morning paper. If it is reported at all I'd probably look for it on Tuesday.

I thought it happened Saturday night.

[graciegirl]

It was Saturday according to the thread starter. Here is what I think...

The Sun sends out people to cover events like dance classes and polo matches and charity stuff but doesn't seem to have a "Brenda Starr, girl reporter" who covers the police runs. Now I think this is by design because people lying bloody in the street isn't good news at all and doesn't encourage people to buy a home....HOWEVER.....some of us well meaning "news reporters" on here repeat gossip and hearsay and absolutely rock solid stuff repeated to them..........so I don't know which is worse. Not getting the news or getting incorrect news.

But I would like to get to the bottom of this.

And I don't think carrying a gun to the square is going to help anything.

STAND BACK...............!

[chuckinca]

I didn't see any story in the Sunday or Monday Daily Sun on this incident.


If people have carry permits they carry at the squares and everywhere else they go.


Wonder if there is a gunslingers club in TV?


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[Larry Wilson]

Sorry this is a little off topic but is an example of the Sun and coverage.
About a month ago a meth lab on wheels was driving around the Villages. Because of smoke coming out of a trailer it was stopped. People were arrested.
It was big news because no one had ever heard of a meth lab on wheels. It made Florida papers-A friend from Ocala and one from Occee called me about it. They thought it would be the talk of the Villages.(no pun intended) Not a word in the Sun and no one knew a thing about it.

I haven't seen anything in The Sun about this incident unless I missed it.

[Tweety Bird]

I agree with you that if this attack was promulgated by road rage, then it was likely random. Hopefully 5 mph traffic at the square did not feed road rage. I favor the love triangle motive.

I agree. Could be the love triangle motive. Who carries a steel pipe in their car? Maybe a contractor? LOL

[debzaranti]

A note to the people on the forum who haven't made the move to TV yet....this is a rare occurrence! Don't let that deter you from moving here. Compared to any other U.S. town or city, our crime rate has to be just about the LOWEST in the nation! (thank God!)

We moved here from south suburban Chicago...so TV's apparent "dullness" is such a welcome change for us. Got tired of finding spent bullet casings in the gutters in front of our house up north, as well as empty crack cocaine packets and booze bottles tossed on our front lawn!

About the kids on the squares....a lot of the locals (teenagers and older) come to our community for entertainment...most likely because there is NOTHING in their towns, except trouble. I can only imagine how happy parents of these teens are to have a safe place (TV) for their kids to come to after prom, homecoming and just to hang out in.

So far, all the young people I've seen on our squares have been polite and respectful. I think the majority of them appreciate having a nice place to come to. Those few that don't behave, are usually "escorted" off the squares by the police, in pretty short order. (I've never witnessed this, but have been told it's happened).

[2BNTV]

I really don''t know why someone would have a need to carry a pipe in their car. Could it be this person is angry and is looking for the slightest provocation to defend himself against perceived threats?

I find this to be a disturbing but very rare incident that I would like to find out what really is behind this attack although it would never stop me from moving to TV.

As Joe Friday said, "just the facts, mame".

As a wannbee, please post if it is made known what really happened.

[Uptown Girl]

A note to the people on the forum who haven't made the move to TV yet....this is a rare occurrence! Don't let that deter you from moving here. Compared to any other U.S. town or city, our crime rate has to be just about the LOWEST in the nation! (thank God!)

We moved here from south suburban Chicago...so TV's apparent "dullness" is such a welcome change for us. Got tired of finding spent bullet casings in the gutters in front of our house up north, as well as empty crack cocaine packets and booze bottles tossed on our front lawn!

About the kids on the squares....a lot of the locals (teenagers and older) come to our community for entertainment...most likely because there is NOTHING in their towns, except trouble. I can only imagine how happy parents of these teens are to have a safe place (TV) for their kids to come to after prom, homecoming and just to hang out in.

So far, all the young people I've seen on our squares have been polite and respectful. I think the majority of them appreciate having a nice place to come to. Those few that don't behave, are usually "escorted" off the squares by the police, in pretty short order. (I've never witnessed this, but have been told it's happened).
I understand your point Debz, but gotta ask, where in the Chicago south suburbs did you live, Dixmoor?:shrug:

[PennBF]

I wonder how many know that an assualt on a person over 65 in Florida would
results in a $10,000 fine and 5-15 years in prison. Should give anyone
thinking of hitting one of our valuable residents to give it another thought.
There are special laws (748.08) in Florida if you attack someone over 65.:clap2:

[Barefoot]

There are special laws (748.08) in Florida if you attack someone over 65.:clap2:

Another good reason to be happy you're getting old (beside Senior's Day at Bealls).

[villagegolfer]

I wonder how many know that an assualt on a person over 65 in Florida would
results in a $10,000 fine and 5-15 years in prison. Should give anyone
thinking of hitting one of our valuable residents to give it another thought.
There are special laws (748.08) in Florida if you attack someone over 65.:clap2:

Only law abiding people pay any attention to laws.:grumpy:

[2BNTV]

Just askin..................

I don't know anything about the statute stated. I was wondering if this would apply if the attacker was over 65 themselves?

[Gerald]

how sad that this has happened.

[downeaster]

I really don''t know why someone would have a need to carry a pipe in their car. Could it be this person is angry and is looking for the slightest provocation to defend himself against perceived threats?

I find this to be a disturbing but very rare incident that I would like to find out what really is behind this attack although it would never stop me from moving to TV.

As Joe Friday said, "just the facts, mame".

As a wannbee, please post if it is made known what really happened.


Good question, 2BNTV. I wonder the same thing about those who carry firearms.

[Posh 08]

A note to the people on the forum who haven't made the move to TV yet....this is a rare occurrence! Don't let that deter you from moving here. Compared to any other U.S. town or city, our crime rate has to be just about the LOWEST in the nation! (thank God!)

We moved here from south suburban Chicago...so TV's apparent "dullness" is such a welcome change for us. Got tired of finding spent bullet casings in the gutters in front of our house up north, as well as empty crack cocaine packets and booze bottles tossed on our front lawn!

About the kids on the squares....a lot of the locals (teenagers and older) come to our community for entertainment...most likely because there is NOTHING in their towns, except trouble. I can only imagine how happy parents of these teens are to have a safe place (TV) for their kids to come to after prom, homecoming and just to hang out in.

So far, all the young people I've seen on our squares have been polite and respectful. I think the majority of them appreciate having a nice place to come to. Those few that don't behave, are usually "escorted" off the squares by the police, in pretty short order. (I've never witnessed this, but have been told it's happened).

This incident and the "Tree Lighting Brawl" has me thinking about spending less time at night on the squares, if we buy at TV.

[villagegolfer]

This incident and the "Tree Lighting Brawl" has me thinking about spending less time at night on the squares, if we buy at TV.

Are you kidding? I have been here a year and I haven't even seen an argument much less a fight.

[EdV]

Try the Political Forum!

[Posh 08]

Are you kidding? I have been here a year and I haven't even seen an argument much less a fight.

I'm not a kidder.

[villagegolfer]

Try the Political Forum!

:1rotfl: I'm serious. Walking the squares or in the clubs, I haven't seen any fights. Coincidence? Maybe, but usually where they sell alcohol you might see one once in awhile. I haven't.

[bimmertl]

Just askin..................

I don't know anything about the statute stated. I was wondering if this would apply if the attacker was over 65 themselves?

There is not an exception based upon the age of the person committing the assault.



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.08.html

[golf2140]

I'm sure the incident was over some HOT senior lady. :boom:

[tainsley]

Sorry this is a little off topic but is an example of the Sun and coverage.
About a month ago a meth lab on wheels was driving around the Villages. Because of smoke coming out of a trailer it was stopped. People were arrested.
It was big news because no one had ever heard of a meth lab on wheels. It made Florida papers-A friend from Ocala and one from Occee called me about it. They thought it would be the talk of the Villages.(no pun intended) Not a word in the Sun and no one knew a thing about it.

I haven't seen anything in The Sun about this incident unless I missed it.

When I was in TV back in July there was an article in the SUN about "METH ON WHEELS" (NO PUN INTENDED) riding through TV.

[cybermuda]

Maybe good idea to pack when at the square

I'm surprised no-one was packing a mobile phone. Anywhere else there would be a string of videos available on-line within minutes - in TV we have to hang around to the next day's newspaper.

[Carla B]

Yea, but these incidences are few and far between. I have been here a year and have never seen an argument or a fight. Kind of boring, huh?

Except in the political forum.

[villagegolfer]

Except in the political forum.

If you read through these posts, that joke has been already posted.

[2BNTV]

There is not an exception based upon the age of the person committing the assault.



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.08.html

Thank you for answering this question.

[Bogie Shooter]

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn whether I know all the gory details or not!

[swrinfla]

Observations:

Yes, the Daily Sun is sometimes lax about reporting "negative news."

Is life in "The Bubble" perfect? How could it possibly be when there are some 85,000 residents and an increasing number of outsiders, some of whom are, shall we say, jealous?

Nowhere in this long thread did I see any hint: what age group were the perpetrators of this incident?

Should Villagers be scared? No. It's such a rare event.

Should Villagers be armed? H*** NO!

Should Villagers ask for a greater Law Enforcement presence at the squares? Quite probably, especially as we continue to grow!

Is this incident reason for wannabees to steer clear of The Villages? No way!

'Nuff said!

SWR
:beer3:

[eweissenbach]

Observations:

Yes, the Daily Sun is sometimes lax about reporting "negative news."

Is life in "The Bubble" perfect? How could it possibly be when there are some 85,000 residents and an increasing number of outsiders, some of whom are, shall we say, jealous?

Nowhere in this long thread did I see any hint: what age group were the perpetrators of this incident?

Should Villagers be scared? No. It's such a rare event.

Should Villagers be armed? H*** NO!

Should Villagers ask for a greater Law Enforcement presence at the squares? Quite probably, especially as we continue to grow!

Is this incident reason for wannabees to steer clear of The Villages? No way!

'Nuff said!

SWR
:beer3:

Stay away from the political forum Steve, you are far too reasonable.

[rubicon]

A note to the people on the forum who haven't made the move to TV yet....this is a rare occurrence! Don't let that deter you from moving here. Compared to any other U.S. town or city, our crime rate has to be just about the LOWEST in the nation! (thank God!)

We moved here from south suburban Chicago...so TV's apparent "dullness" is such a welcome change for us. Got tired of finding spent bullet casings in the gutters in front of our house up north, as well as empty crack cocaine packets and booze bottles tossed on our front lawn!

About the kids on the squares....a lot of the locals (teenagers and older) come to our community for entertainment...most likely because there is NOTHING in their towns, except trouble. I can only imagine how happy parents of these teens are to have a safe place (TV) for their kids to come to after prom, homecoming and just to hang out in.

So far, all the young people I've seen on our squares have been polite and respectful. I think the majority of them appreciate having a nice place to come to. Those few that don't behave, are usually "escorted" off the squares by the police, in pretty short order. (I've never witnessed this, but have been told it's happened).

Compared to Chicago New York would appear to have a low crime rate.:D

For those who want to read about what's happening in The Villages subscribe to the Orlando Sentinel.

Keep in mind that the Town Centers are opened to the public that is those townsfolk that live along the perimeter of The Villages.

Remember that we not only have residents (permanent or seasonal) and their guests but also renters and their guests. So it is unreasonable not to expect criminals don't live work or play among us and that they won't act out.

As to the LSL incident it may have been over a drug issue.

I stay away from the town centers especially during the prime season as it is too crowded.

[PennBF]

THere was a question regarding whether over 65 actually was a consideration in Florida. Here I believe is the answer to that question:

Aggravated battery is a battery offense that involves some aggravating factor. This type of battery offense is typically considered a felony offense, and the perpetrator can face incarceration, fines, and many other punishments. For an offense to be considered aggravated battery one or more of the following factors may have been involved: the battery was committed against a protected person (a child, peace officer, or person over 65 years of age); the battery involved a weapon (whether use was real or threatened :ho:

[bkcunningham1]

Compared to Chicago New York would appear to have a low crime rate.:D

For those who want to read about what's happening in The Villages subscribe to the Orlando Sentinel.

Keep in mind that the Town Centers are opened to the public that is those townsfolk that live along the perimeter of The Villages.

Remember that we not only have residents (permanent or seasonal) and their guests but also renters and their guests. So it is unreasonable not to expect criminals don't live work or play among us and that they won't act out.

As to the LSL incident it may have been over a drug issue.

I stay away from the town centers especially during the prime season as it is too crowded.

Did the Orlando Sentinel have a news story about the incident at LSL with the pipe?

[rubicon]

Honestly, owing to a busy weekend, I didn't look closely enough

[bkcunningham1]

That's okay. Thanks anyway. I was just wondering if anyone has actually read an account of what happened.

[Indydealmaker]

I agree. Could be the love triangle motive. Who carries a steel pipe in their car? Maybe a contractor? LOL

Maybe he was a . . . pipe-smoker!:1rotfl:

[buggyone]

It seems to me throughout the 7 pages of posts on the subject that no one personally saw the incident and only one person says "a friend" saw it.

Do we really know what, if anything, happened? This is kind of like the kid's game of "Postman" where someone tells a story and see how it progresses around a big circle.

I have my doubts if someone jumped out of a car and beat on someone else with a steel pipe. Maybe someone fell down and got scraped up and the story took off from there.

[Bogie Shooter]

A friend of mine talked to a guy at Bogart golf course and he was told nothing happened.

[mac9]

I was in RJ Gator's saturday evening when we saw the police lights outside. Then the EMTs arrived. I walked outside and there I met my friend who was visibly shaken. He had been crossing the square near Red Sauce when it happened.Do not think that this incident did not happen. It did, and I saw the aftermath. There were many people at the outside bar at Red Sauce and the police were questioning them.

[Russ_Boston]

Were the people residents of TV? Younger? Older? Know each other? Random?

Anybody have any facts other than a steel pipe?

[BnCinME]

I just checked the Orlando Sentinal and didn't find anything. I agree with an earlier poster-it's a wonder that no one from TOTV was there and witnessed the incident. It appears to be third hand news. :blahblahblah:

[villagegolfer]

A friend of mine talked to a guy at Bogart golf course and he was told nothing happened.

That sounds official to me.:ohdear:

[red tail]

this reminds me of the thread where the gal saw the coyotes and florida panthers snatching up pets in the villages! lots of buffalo bs

[dog friendly]

this reminds me of the thread where the gal saw the coyotes and florida panthers snatching up pets in the villages! lots of buffalo bs

I don't know who said anything about coyotes, but one did kill my neighbors dog.

[FMF Doc]

Maybe he was a . . . pipe-smoker!:1rotfl:

He was a licensed plumber and thus it was his constitutional right to carry a pipe.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

It was Professor Plum with the candlestick in the library...............:shocked:

:pepper2:

Bill :)

[FMF Doc]

It was Professor Plum with the candlestick in the library...............:shocked:

:pepper2:

Bill :)

It was Professor Plum but he used the lead pipe in the outdoor conservatory.

:popcorn:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

It was Professor Plum but he used the lead pipe in the outdoor conservatory.

:popcorn:

:1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

[graciegirl]

Boy Howdy!

[bkcunningham1]

It was Professor Plum with the candlestick in the library...............:shocked:

:pepper2:

Bill :)

I don't want to laugh and make fun if something serious happened or if someone was really hurt. BUT, that was hilarious! ROFL

[SALYBOW]

We were leaving the theatre and on the side of the square across from Hagendas a red SUV stopped, a man jumped out and hit him over the head. He was on the street bleeding so people called 911. Many emergency vehicle arrived and put him on a backboard and took him away. He was probably in his 40s or early 50s so I wondered if he was not a Villager. It was raining at the time so there was blood all around his head but people put something on his head to stop the blood.

[buggyone]

Sorry, Sally, that does not sound credible. It would have been reported in BOTH the Orlando Sentinel and Daily Sun.

[Pturner]

I was in RJ Gator's saturday evening when we saw the police lights outside. Then the EMTs arrived. I walked outside and there I met my friend who was visibly shaken. He had been crossing the square near Red Sauce when it happened.Do not think that this incident did not happen. It did, and I saw the aftermath. There were many people at the outside bar at Red Sauce and the police were questioning them.

Hi Mac,
Did your friend actually see the led pipe and the beating, or just it's aftermath? Was he told what had just happened, or did he see the crime committed?

If he saw a pipe beating, what were the approx. age ranges of the perp and the victim? Was the perp driving a car or was he a passenger? Did your friend call the police? Were poice already there? Was he interviewed by police?

[SALYBOW]

Credible or not, that is what happened. And I WAS THERE.

[Posh 08]

Sorry, Sally, that does not sound credible. It would have been reported in BOTH the Orlando Sentinel and Daily Sun.

Why wouldn't it sound credible?

[Freeda]

We were leaving the movies with some friends around 9:30 PM from seeing The Ides of March that had started at 7:30 PM and we were parked at the square, across from Nantucket Bay. We saw the lights from what looked like at least two emergency or police vehicles at the side of the square that is nearest the lake, and people had congregated down there, but we didn't go down there or talk to anyone who seemed to know what had happened.

[buggyone]

It does not sound credible because there was no mention of it in either the Orlando Sentinel or Daily Sun.

Obvioulsy, someone got injured in some manner and the story grew and grew to someone jumping out of a car and beating someone else with a lead pipe. This is just human nature.

[IAMDMRAE]

That's a pretty dumb comment!

[Posh 08]

It does not sound credible because there was no mention of it in either the Orlando Sentinel or Daily Sun.

Why would something like that be mentioned in the papers, it wasn't murder after all.

[IAMDMRAE]

I was referring to the comment suggesting that we pack a gun on the square. That was a stupid comment, the injured guy could be maimed for life.

[buggyone]

If you are not in The Villages, you would not understand how the Orlando Sentinel has such a dislike for The Villages.

A violent crime such as someone being beaten by a lead pipe at Lake Sumter Landing in our peaceful community would have been spotlighted on both the newspaper in Orlando and on television in Orlando.

[Posh 08]

If you are not in The Villages, you would not understand how the Orlando Sentinel has such a dislike for The Villages.

A violent crime such as someone being beaten by a lead pipe at Lake Sumter Landing in our peaceful community would have been spotlighted on both the newspaper in Orlando and on television in Orlando.

Why don't you just call the Sheriff's Office or Police Dept that has jurisdiction of the area in question and ask, out of concern for public safety, what happened? Lay all the speculation to rest.

[gatherer47]

packing a gun on the square? reminds me of the old All in the Family episode where Archie suggests the flight attendants pass out guns as passengers board to prevent hijackings

[Larry Wilson]

Salybow was there, she should not be doubted. I repeat Salybow was there!

Tons of things happen everyday that don't make the paper. The Sun is really just for helping sales.

Orlando Sentinel doesn't have reporters in here.

There is good media and there is media to sell houses.

I have had my picture in the Sun about 20 times. Sometimes two or three pictures in the same issue.(sports)
In the beginning we use to cut the picture out and save them. Now that everyone we know has had at least one picture in the paper, its no big deal.
The Sun reporters are at the clubs, sport events,( however they never report anyone getting seriously hurt which happens) celebrations at the square etc. In our years here we have seen a ton of car accidents and never once did I see a reporter.

I just have to say that most news is passed by people being there. It is not like any paper I have ever seen before. By the way, look for me in the paper for stomping down divits at half time during the polo game. There was a reporter there for that.

[whartonjelly]

It was a figment of someones imagination? The talk show host did it with a microphone!

[kb8tpw]

Larry pegged it with "There is good media and there is media to sell houses." When I write check for the Sun I cringe and say "Oh another donation to the sales media of the developer. I'd hope that this sort of sales media overhead would have been included in the price of the property, as is the usual and normal modes operande, but not in The Villages, you just keep giving.

If I were a rich retired newspaper person with unlimited funding I'd bring on some competition, but fat chance....

I do get good exercise by taking it to the garage to prepare for putting out with the trash.

[ricthemic]

If you are not in The Villages, you would not understand how the Orlando Sentinel has such a dislike for The Villages.

A violent crime such as someone being beaten by a lead pipe at Lake Sumter Landing in our peaceful community would have been spotlighted on both the newspaper in Orlando and on television in Orlando.

How would your Washington Post handle this? I think you are right. Your Post wd have headlined it also.
All this aside, as Russ from Boston asked and I agree... WHAT Happened?

[villagegolfer]

Larry pegged it with "There is good media and there is media to sell houses." When I write check for the Sun I cringe and say "Oh another donation to the sales media of the developer. I'd hope that this sort of sales media overhead would have been included in the price of the property, as is the usual and normal modes operande, but not in The Villages, you just keep giving.

If I were a rich retired newspaper person with unlimited funding I'd bring on some competition, but fat chance....

I do get good exercise by taking it to the garage to prepare for putting out with the trash.

I like the paper and think it does a good job for what it is. If I want bad news I go online to the city and state that I came from and then I'm grateful to be here. Don't like the paper, then don't buy it. I think the New York Times is fish wrap, so I do not buy it.

[PennBF]

I agree the paper serves it's purpose and the NY Times is a fish wrapper..
If the developer wants his own paper and TV station that is certaintly his
option. He also has the VHA so he has a number of ways to communicate
and the POA Bulletin is meant to bring independent knowledge to the
residents and it does it very well. As far as "crime" is concerned for those
considering moving to The Villages it would be appropriate to realize the population is now around 85,000 and there was an alleged assualt at a
square. I call that a pretty darn safe place to live. Where else do you know of a city of 85,000 that has a single assualt and it receives a number of comments in the local Talk of the Villages. We have gone to the squares
(just drive cart aound them) about 4-5 times a week in the evening and
I don't recall seeing any disturbance. Where else in a city of 85,000 is it
so safe a woman could walk around at midnight and be pretty safe?
It is a great place to live and we owe the Developer some appreciation for
the work he and his staff have done.:welcome:

[villagegolfer]

I agree the paper serves it's purpose and the NY Times is a fish wrapper..
If the developer wants his own paper and TV station that is certaintly his
option. He also has the VHA so he has a number of ways to communicate
and the POA Bulletin is meant to bring independent knowledge to the
residents and it does it very well. As far as "crime" is concerned for those
considering moving to The Villages it would be appropriate to realize the population is now around 85,000 and there was an alleged assualt at a
square. I call that a pretty darn safe place to live. Where else do you know of a city of 85,000 that has a single assualt and it receives a number of comments in the local Talk of the Villages. We have gone to the squares
(just drive cart aound them) about 4-5 times a week in the evening and
I don't recall seeing any disturbance. Where else in a city of 85,000 is it
so safe a woman could walk around at midnight and be pretty safe?
It is a great place to live and we owe the Developer some appreciation for
the work he and his staff have done.:welcome:
Wow, I think this is the first time you and me have agreed. I am feeling faint.:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[fraurauch]

It hit the Daily Sun this morning. According to the article, the victim does not remember what happened and the police are asking for eye witnesses to come forward.

[graciegirl]

Police were called at 9:32 Saturday evening at the intersection of Lakeshore Drive and Canal...(right on the square) I just read it too. He is a 41 year old man from Summerfield. He was taken to Leesburg Hospital with head injuries, was found semi concious lying in the middle of the street with a crowd around him.

I am betting it was someone who didn't pay their drug money. I can't think why else someone would jump out of a vehicle and whack someone on the head.

What do you think?

Wonder why it took so long to appear?

[hedoman]

The Sun this morning said a whole lot of nothing. I thought they interviewed people on the scene, got license numbers etc. 41 YO Male from a neighboring town....... Did the "Village Posse" get'em?

:boom:

[Posh 08]

Police were called at 9:32 Saturday evening at the intersection of Lakeshore Drive and Canal...(right on the square) I just read it too. He is a 41 year old man from Summerfied. He was taken to Leesburg Hospital with head injuries, was found semi concious lying in the middle of the street with a crowd around him.

I am betting it was someone who didn't pay their drug money. I can't think why else someone would jump out of a vehicle and wack someone on the head.

What do you think?

Wonder why it took so long to appear?

Good morning Gracie, could be triangle among staff of a restaurant, or a bad sport over a comment made about a team loss or any such things, but he ain't talkin it appears.

[graciegirl]

The Sun this morning said a whole lot of nothing. I thought they interviewed people on the scene, got license numbers etc. 41 YO Male from a neighboring town....... Did the "Village Posse" get'em?

:boom:


Now Hedoman, I always agree with you, but at this point what else could be said?? Journalism students all know speculation isn't allowed. If he had been there, (the writer) than he could have reported what people saw. ....Or what they speculated. At this point what else can be said? He was wearing an earring and was heavily tattooed and had on droopy shorts? (For the record, I just made that part up)

Then I would have jumped to conclusions....

Hedo? When are you coming by to see us?? I know. When you get a little more unpacked?



As usual.

[graciegirl]

Police were called at 9:32 Saturday evening at the intersection of Lakeshore Drive and Canal...(right on the square) I just read it too. He is a 41 year old man from Summerfield. He was taken to Leesburg Hospital with head injuries, was found semi concious lying in the middle of the street with a crowd around him.

I am betting it was someone who didn't pay their drug money. I can't think why else someone would jump out of a vehicle and whack someone on the head.

What do you think?

Wonder why it took so long to appear?


bump

[rubicon]

Police were called at 9:32 Saturday evening at the intersection of Lakeshore Drive and Canal...(right on the square) I just read it too. He is a 41 year old man from Summerfield. He was taken to Leesburg Hospital with head injuries, was found semi concious lying in the middle of the street with a crowd around him.

I am betting it was someone who didn't pay their drug money. I can't think why else someone would jump out of a vehicle and whack someone on the head.

What do you think?

Wonder why it took so long to appear?

Graciegirl I made mention in an earlier post that the incident was drug related. After hearing the bit about the victim not recalling I am convinced it was drug related. It seems that the surrounding areas are a hot bed of drug related activity. If I am wrong you know by the guy's response that something of a dubious nature occurred .

I am gld that the Daily Sun at least made mention of this event. The Daily sun has an obligation to keep its readers informed and thus aware of safety issues so that they can better protect themselves. By this I do not mean carrying a gub but just being aware that bad actors do exist among us and we all nee to stay alert.

[Posh 08]

Anybody know if there are security cameras in that area? If so I'm sure the Investigators are having a field day with this one. And if no cameras, how come?

[paulandjean]

You cannot have cameras everywhere.Think,just two guys got into it.Do I care why? No Drugs, love triangle do not know.No biggee

[Posh 08]

You cannot have cameras everywhere.Think,just two guys got into it.Do I care why? No Drugs, love triangle do not know.No biggee

In public areas you can and IMO should have them. But then I lean towards law enforcement and deterrents.

[buggyone]

In another thread regarding "concealed weapon permits", there were several posters who indicated they always carried their pistols while in The Villages at night. What kind of chaotic damage would have been caused if one of those "loose cannons" (no pun intended) had been there and started opening fire?

[mrsanborn]

Just curious as to why the injured was taken to Leesburg instead of The Villages hospital. Lack of insurance, trauma unit?

[memason]

I guess there's 2 issues that bubble up for me, concerning this incident:


It happened in "our" town square.
It appears to be a "targeted" assault; rather than "Random".

Not sure I need to know all the details, but I certainly hope this was isolated incident.

[Dick and Lin]

How do we access the web cams in TV.

[memason]

How do we access the web cams in TV.

Here's a link to LSL. SS link is at the bottom.

http://www.thevillages.com/lifestyle/cam_lsl.asp

Enjoy....

[rubicon]

Anybody know if there are security cameras in that area? If so I'm sure the Investigators are having a field day with this one. And if no cameras, how come?

posh 08 Very good question. Video cameras are vital in deterring crime and also in the investigation of criminal acts. We witness all the time on television. More and more businesses are become aware of the importance of utilizing videos to protect their employees, customers and assets

[nitehawk]

Did it happen or did it not I am so confused !!!!
The orlando sentinel hates TV --Why --- do you think they are jealous ? WHY WHY
The sun calls itself a newpaper --BS--All the wonderful news thats fit to print
Yes there are some of us TOTVs who carry our guns-ALL THE TIME -
When you run short on Kool-aide - there are some TOTVs who will help
Just think were no first time posters to disbelieve
If someone posted that they had called the PD and this was there response ---
its would still be third hand - so maybe the PD could post on TOTV -- but that would not be belived - it really is not the PD or this is there first post -unbelievable
Just keep drinking the Kool-Aide and keep looking through rose colored glasses
Life is just a bowl or cherries

[boobear51751]

This type of thing is why The Villages no longer allows New Years Eve gatherings at either square. It use to be a great time had by all, but then you get a couple of idiots with club, guns and a fist added to the evening and poof there went out New Years Eve gatherings. What a shame. We also have a great deal of drug use here in The Villages, legal and not legal. So for those of you who think Spanish Springs Square and the new Brownswood Square are or will bring in the creeps from the outside, this happened at SL.

[texasfal]

It's in today's Daily Sun.

[memason]

This type of thing is why The Villages no longer allows New Years Eve gatherings at either square. It use to be a great time had by all, but then you get a couple of idiots with club, guns and a fist added to the evening and poof there went out New Years Eve gatherings. What a shame. We also have a great deal of drug use here in The Villages, legal and not legal. So for those of you who think Spanish Springs Square and the new Brownswood Square are or will bring in the creeps from the outside, this happened at SL.

Is this "really" the reason the celebrations were cancelled ???? I have not heard a single word about this being the reason. I've not heard any reason.

Me thinks you might be adding a little drama to the mix...ie club, guns and a fist . . . :shrug:

Happy golfing today....

[redwitch]

This thread is truly sickening. Not the incident. It happened, we don't know why and it is over and we will probably never know the facts.

Some of you basically called the OP and one of our members a liar. It seems that whenever something doesn't fit into the scheme of images of TV, then the poster is lying. It was said it didn't happen because it wasn't reported in either the Sun or the Sentinel. It was implied that the OP made it up since it was second- or third-hand information. One member was basically called a liar because she said she witnessed the incident. (BTW -- I know salybow -- not only is she NOT a liar, she is a minister. I think someone owes her a very sincere and abject apology.)

The victim had head trauma injuries. He wasn't from TV; he was under 55. Rather than thinking he might actually not remember and have no clue why it happened, it is decided it had to be drugs and he was lying to cover up his own guilt. Hope you guys never serve on a jury. It really is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and not just proven guilty on speculation.

Yes, there's a drug problem in outlying communities. There are also a lot of decent, hardworking people that live there. We don't know why the man was attacked. The odds of it being random are pretty slim, but road rage is a very good possibility, so is an argument at a restaurant or in the square, so is a debt being owed, so is .... Many scenarios are possible but we don't have the right to speculate.

As to the comment that, "In another thread regarding 'concealed weapon permits', there were several posters who indicated they always carried their pistols while in The Villages at night. What kind of chaotic damage would have been caused if one of those 'loose cannons' (no pun intended) had been there and started opening fire?" I am willing to bet that there were several people who were milling around who in fact were carrying. Most who carry are anything but loose cannons; they are very tightly controlled, especially when it comes to their weapons.

When did we become so suspicious and judgmental that we will accuse each other of lying? That we automatically assume the worst of another human when that human becomes a victim? Is it really that much easier to think the worst of someone on just pure speculation?

[Bogie Shooter]

You cannot have cameras everywhere.Think,just two guys got into it.Do I care why? No Drugs, love triangle do not know.No biggee

I agree.

[Bogie Shooter]

This type of thing is why The Villages no longer allows New Years Eve gatherings at either square. It use to be a great time had by all, but then you get a couple of idiots with club, guns and a fist added to the evening and poof there went out New Years Eve gatherings. What a shame. We also have a great deal of drug use here in The Villages, legal and not legal. So for those of you who think Spanish Springs Square and the new Brownswood Square are or will bring in the creeps from the outside, this happened at SL.

And when did you hear this? Been here 10 years and never heard (not even a rumor) of people with guns and clubs fighting at the square on New Years Eve.

[fraurauch]

The last time The Villages allowed New Year's Eve to be extended past 9:00 PM, we were there...until well after midnight. We never saw a fight, clubs, guns, anything but people enjoying themselves. There were a few words spoken over seating, but no fighting that we saw.

[chuckinca]

Just another day in Paradise!


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[villagegolfer]

In another thread regarding "concealed weapon permits", there were several posters who indicated they always carried their pistols while in The Villages at night. What kind of chaotic damage would have been caused if one of those "loose cannons" (no pun intended) had been there and started opening fire?
There are loose cannons around here but they aren't the gun owners.

[Trish Crocker]

Wow!! I can't wait.........CSI THE VILLAGES!! First episode "Who moved my golf ball...I know I didn't hit it there!" How about "NCRS' (Never Can Remember S***). Who can we get to play Abby?

[graciegirl]

This thread is truly sickening. Not the incident. It happened, we don't know why and it is over and we will probably never know the facts.

Some of you basically called the OP and one of our members a liar. It seems that whenever something doesn't fit into the scheme of images of TV, then the poster is lying. It was said it didn't happen because it wasn't reported in either the Sun or the Sentinel. It was implied that the OP made it up since it was second- or third-hand information. One member was basically called a liar because she said she witnessed the incident. (BTW -- I know salybow -- not only is she NOT a liar, she is a minister. I think someone owes her a very sincere and abject apology.)

The victim had head trauma injuries. He wasn't from TV; he was under 55. Rather than thinking he might actually not remember and have no clue why it happened, it is decided it had to be drugs and he was lying to cover up his own guilt. Hope you guys never serve on a jury. It really is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and not just proven guilty on speculation.

Yes, there's a drug problem in outlying communities. There are also a lot of decent, hardworking people that live there. We don't know why the man was attacked. The odds of it being random are pretty slim, but road rage is a very good possibility, so is an argument at a restaurant or in the square, so is a debt being owed, so is .... Many scenarios are possible but we don't have the right to speculate.

As to the comment that, "In another thread regarding 'concealed weapon permits', there were several posters who indicated they always carried their pistols while in The Villages at night. What kind of chaotic damage would have been caused if one of those 'loose cannons' (no pun intended) had been there and started opening fire?" I am willing to bet that there were several people who were milling around who in fact were carrying. Most who carry are anything but loose cannons; they are very tightly controlled, especially when it comes to their weapons.

When did we become so suspicious and judgmental that we will accuse each other of lying? That we automatically assume the worst of another human when that human becomes a victim? Is it really that much easier to think the worst of someone on just pure speculation?


Whoa...Red. You know I loves ya..but why don't we have the right to speculate? A bad thing happened. We don't like things like that to happen here where most of the residents are law abiding people. We love this place. It is OUR town!!

I think it might be drugs because most of the problems in the US where there is retaliation, shooting, shooting a persons family, is involved with drugs. Most of us who have lived long enough to live here and afford to live here, YES, that is what I said, because living in a retirement area requires financial planning, most of us aren't doing drugs because we couldn't afford both and This was a KID, in his forties. He wasn't providing information...which could be he was concussed and it could be...he ain't talkin'.

We aren't on a jury Red. This forum is just kinda talkin' about stuff. Guessing what happened etc.

And some people like to give their opinions. Like saying this is the reason New Years Eve was cancelled. Personally, I disagree. I read this forum every day and have never heard mention of that.

I don't know this person. It is quite possible he is a minister at the local church that looked a lot like someone who was foolin' around with someone's girlfriend. OR it could be someone who cut someone off trying to get here to dance.........Or it could be someone's son in law that was here visiting and attending a secret Drug Cartel meeting.

Who knows?

But Red, Don't you see that if this stuff continues, we are gonna have to get the girls together and straighten things out?

Hugs, Red.

[MelZ]

In another thread regarding "concealed weapon permits", there were several posters who indicated they always carried their pistols while in The Villages at night. What kind of chaotic damage would have been caused if one of those "loose cannons" (no pun intended) had been there and started opening fire?

The only "loose Cannon" is the above poster:boom:

[MelZ]

This type of thing is why The Villages no longer allows New Years Eve gatherings at either square. It use to be a great time had by all, but then you get a couple of idiots with club, guns and a fist added to the evening and poof there went out New Years Eve gatherings. What a shame. We also have a great deal of drug use here in The Villages, legal and not legal. So for those of you who think Spanish Springs Square and the new Brownswood Square are or will bring in the creeps from the outside, this happened at SL.

Obviously a great ficton novelist:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[redwitch]

Gracie, the minister is SalyBow. She stated she had witnessed the incident and was basically called a liar. That's just wrong.

At one point, it was implied the incident didn't happen because it wasn't reported in a local newspaper and that the original poster was making it up. Again, that's just wrong.

Yes, we speculate. It's human nature. But some of the comments were well beyond mere speculation. It was automatically assumed that the man didn't remember or know anything because he was on drugs, not because he'd been hit on the head with a pipe (that was my first thought on why he didn't know what was happening).

Maybe we should work more on getting facts and waiting before we condemn, judge or, yes, even speculate. There's something wrong when people call another a liar before all the facts are out. There's something sad about automatically assuming the worst about another human because something happened to them and they aren't one of "us." Isn't that how vigilantes work?

[BlueHeronFan]

Well the guy didn't remember a thing.

Yea right. There is more to this story and somebody knows who did it, and why.

Keep reading, it will show up.

[bestmickey]

There's only one way to get facts if anyone is that interested. Submit a FOIL (Freedom of Information Law) request to the local sheriff's office for a copy of the responding officer's written report. If anyone obtains the report, perhaps (s)he could scan it into their computer and post it on TOTV. I say "perhaps" because I don't know if that step (scanning/posting elsewhere) would be legal. But, if it is, maybe that could be a new "Thread". Anyone who obtains any written police report could then post it on TOTV for all to see. Those who want to live in a total bubble would not have to open that thread to see the happenings. If people are truly wanting to know about all the illegal or criminal activites that are occurring within The Villages, someone could submit FOIL requests to each local sheriff's office on a monthly basis, seeking copies of all incident reports for that month which were filed as a result of incidents which required police interaction within The Villages. And, if legal, and IF the TOTV editor allows them to be copied here, that someone could scan them and share with all. (As I've mentioned many times, I don't live in TV, so I wouldn't do this. I just wanted to share the idea with those who may be interested.) If TOTV won't allow it, or if it isn't legal to scan copies of the reports to share, perhaps folks would want to approach the Property Owner's Association and ask that as a service to the residents, they submit monthly FOIL requests to the local sheriff's offices and subsequently share synopsis of incidents in each newsletter (i.e., this month there were 3 incidents of spousal abuse in TV; 7 robberies (two in Village of XYZ, one in Village of ABC, and 4 in Village of FGH); 3 assaults occurred in Spanish Springs and one in Sumter Landing). (NOTE: this is just an example, NOT an actual report.)

If people really want this kind of information and if you don't believe your local (Daily Sun) newspaper provides you with the information you want, there are other ways to obtain it. It would just take a little work and a mechanism to be able to share the info with other residents.

[dillywho]

Gracie, the minister is SalyBow. She stated she had witnessed the incident and was basically called a liar. That's just wrong.

At one point, it was implied the incident didn't happen because it wasn't reported in a local newspaper and that the original poster was making it up. Again, that's just wrong.

Yes, we speculate. It's human nature. But some of the comments were well beyond mere speculation. It was automatically assumed that the man didn't remember or know anything because he was on drugs, not because he'd been hit on the head with a pipe (that was my first thought on why he didn't know what was happening).

Maybe we should work more on getting facts and waiting before we condemn, judge or, yes, even speculate. There's something wrong when people call another a liar before all the facts are out. There's something sad about automatically assuming the worst about another human because something happened to them and they aren't one of "us." Isn't that how vigilantes work?

Very well stated, Red.

[villagegolfer]

Gracie, the minister is SalyBow. She stated she had witnessed the incident and was basically called a liar. That's just wrong.

At one point, it was implied the incident didn't happen because it wasn't reported in a local newspaper and that the original poster was making it up. Again, that's just wrong.

Yes, we speculate. It's human nature. But some of the comments were well beyond mere speculation. It was automatically assumed that the man didn't remember or know anything because he was on drugs, not because he'd been hit on the head with a pipe (that was my first thought on why he didn't know what was happening).

Maybe we should work more on getting facts and waiting before we condemn, judge or, yes, even speculate. There's something wrong when people call another a liar before all the facts are out. There's something sad about automatically assuming the worst about another human because something happened to them and they aren't one of "us." Isn't that how vigilantes work?

SalyBow may be the minister but at least she spares us from the preaching.

[rubicon]

This thread is truly sickening. Not the incident. It happened, we don't know why and it is over and we will probably never know the facts.

Some of you basically called the OP and one of our members a liar. It seems that whenever something doesn't fit into the scheme of images of TV, then the poster is lying. It was said it didn't happen because it wasn't reported in either the Sun or the Sentinel. It was implied that the OP made it up since it was second- or third-hand information. One member was basically called a liar because she said she witnessed the incident. (BTW -- I know salybow -- not only is she NOT a liar, she is a minister. I think someone owes her a very sincere and abject apology.)

The victim had head trauma injuries. He wasn't from TV; he was under 55. Rather than thinking he might actually not remember and have no clue why it happened, it is decided it had to be drugs and he was lying to cover up his own guilt. Hope you guys never serve on a jury. It really is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and not just proven guilty on speculation.

Yes, there's a drug problem in outlying communities. There are also a lot of decent, hardworking people that live there. We don't know why the man was attacked. The odds of it being random are pretty slim, but road rage is a very good possibility, so is an argument at a restaurant or in the square, so is a debt being owed, so is .... Many scenarios are possible but we don't have the right to speculate.

As to the comment that, "In another thread regarding 'concealed weapon permits', there were several posters who indicated they always carried their pistols while in The Villages at night. What kind of chaotic damage would have been caused if one of those 'loose cannons' (no pun intended) had been there and started opening fire?" I am willing to bet that there were several people who were milling around who in fact were carrying. Most who carry are anything but loose cannons; they are very tightly controlled, especially when it comes to their weapons.

When did we become so suspicious and judgmental that we will accuse each other of lying? That we automatically assume the worst of another human when that human becomes a victim? Is it really that much easier to think the worst of someone on just pure speculation?

There are now 13 pages to this thread. What that says to me is that posters are concerned. Concerned people seek information. Informed people make demands of their leaders. I for one am very grateul for the interest in this issue. Go residents!

[SALYBOW]

I just checked the Orlando Sentinal and didn't find anything. I agree with an earlier poster-it's a wonder that no one from TOTV was there and witnessed the incident. It appears to be third hand news. :blahblahblah:

It did happen. The man was hurt. I judge he was younger than TV age . The street was bloody but it was raining and head wounds do bleed profusely. A man jumped out of a red SUV and hit him over the head. He fell and hit hie head once more. Thay put him on a backboard and transported him to the hospital.

[SALYBOW]

Sorry you feel that way buggyone, this is credible since it did happen. I guess maybe no one told the newspapers. I don't know as I never read them. I see enough bad things as a chaplian at the hospital, I don't need more.

[SALYBOW]

ROFLMAO. Too Funny.

[Bogie Shooter]

There are now 13 pages to this thread. What that says to me is that posters are concerned. Concerned people seek information. Informed people make demands of their leaders. I for one am very grateul for the interest in this issue. Go residents!

No, there are 13 pages of people guessing what happened and adding their speculation of what happened. I agree if you are so concerned as to what happened stop by the sherriff's sub station and ask.

[Indydealmaker]

This forum gets way too personal, way too quick! The smart ass, arrogant remarks do not have a place on this forum.

I vote that we do away with screen names. Maybe the use of our real names might deter some of the rudeness! Just my opinion for what it is worth.

Indydealmaker (Steven Massy)

[graciegirl]

I owe Salybow an apology. I know her and know she knows what she is talking about. And she isn't a liar or an exaggerater. She is a wonderful person.

I must have scanned over her post. I am embarassed and sorry Salybow.

And Red, no one ever jumps out of a car and whacks me on the head, although I am sure sometimes I deserve it.

I am just saying usually something real bad has happened before the head whacking starts.

[redwitch]

Gracie, I'm sure the idiot who hit the guy felt he deserved it, but it could have been anything from road rage to commitment issues to owed money to drugs to .... Truth is my issue was more that we're so willing to judge and accuse in TOTV lately. I hope it quits soon.

Two members were basically called liars; I was accused of preaching; licensed gun holders/carriers were called loose cannons.

And, VG, feel free to not read my posts. I promise to have no problem ignoring yours.

[paulandjean]

Sounds like boys will be boys. This is getting old. To much drama.

[Figmo Bohica]

Might be a good idea to wait until the investigation is done and then we will get ther real story.

[BnCinME]

It did happen. The man was hurt. I judge he was younger than TV age . The street was bloody but it was raining and head wounds do bleed profusely. A man jumped out of a red SUV and hit him over the head. He fell and hit hie head once more. Thay put him on a backboard and transported him to the hospital.

Salybow, I just wanted to let you know that my response was posted 2 hours earlier than your post about being present during the altercation. Please accept my apology if you feel it was directed at you. However, if you read my post, I stated that hopefully someone from TOTV was there and would share what they saw instead of all the speculation that was going on.
Thank you for sharing your observations of the scene. :ho:

[villagegolfer]

Gracie, I'm sure the idiot who hit the guy felt he deserved it, but it could have been anything from road rage to commitment issues to owed money to drugs to .... Truth is my issue was more that we're so willing to judge and accuse in TOTV lately. I hope it quits soon.

Two members were basically called liars; I was accused of preaching; licensed gun holders/carriers were called loose cannons.

And, VG, feel free to not read my posts. I promise to have no problem ignoring yours.
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I like a person with spirit. LOL

[jebartle]

:popcorn::popcorn:You need to share your popcorn.....giggle....
Everytime I see Brillo's post of popcorn it cracks me up BECAUSE that is what we all need to do, to so many posts on TOTV....I just love it! :clap2::clap2:

[angiefox10]

:popcorn::popcorn:You need to share your popcorn.....giggle....
Everytime I see Brillo's post of popcorn it cracks me up BECAUSE that is what we all need to do, to so many posts on TOTV....I just love it! :clap2::clap2:


I think if he's smart... He will stay away from this one. Pass the popcorn????:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Did someone say............................POPCORN???!!!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

:pepper2:

Bill :wave:

[swimdawg]

Did someone say............................POPCORN???!!!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

:pepper2:

Bill :wave:

You won the SWIMDAWG prize for the Best Post of the Day! :BigApplause:

[taylor111947]

I posted the original message with the hope that no one was seriously hurt and also become more informed as to potential safety issues since I am frequently at LSL at night - often walking to my car alone.

The incident was mentioned in the paper. It was reported that the victim could not remember what happened. Apparently he is OK.

No matter what the situation was, it is a reminder that TV is not perfect and we must all watch out for ourselves.

[Bogie Shooter]

I posted the original message with the hope that no one was seriously hurt and also become more informed as to potential safety issues since I am frequently at LSL at night - often walking to my car alone.

The incident was mentioned in the paper. It was reported that the victim could not remember what happened. Apparently he is OK.

No matter what the situation was, it is a reminder that TV is not perfect and we must all watch out for ourselves.
As we should anyplace else in this country.

[rubicon]

No, there are 13 pages of people guessing what happened and adding their speculation of what happened. I agree if you are so concerned as to what happened stop by the sherriff's sub station and ask.

Well that's another welcome opinion:clap2:

[graciegirl]

Did it happen or did it not I am so confused !!!!
The orlando sentinel hates TV --Why --- do you think they are jealous ? WHY WHY
The sun calls itself a newpaper --BS--All the wonderful news thats fit to print
Yes there are some of us TOTVs who carry our guns-ALL THE TIME -
When you run short on Kool-aide - there are some TOTVs who will help
Just think were no first time posters to disbelieve
If someone posted that they had called the PD and this was there response ---
its would still be third hand - so maybe the PD could post on TOTV -- but that would not be belived - it really is not the PD or this is there first post -unbelievable
Just keep drinking the Kool-Aide and keep looking through rose colored glasses
Life is just a bowl or cherries

To whom are you directing this?

[angiefox10]

Considering this post started out as a simple question and turned into gunfight at the OK Corral... Is no one else a little concerned about so many people "packing" in TV?

That being said.... with so many guns in TV and thankfully, no one pulled one because then there may have been someone else hurt worse then the gentleman who was hit with a pipe. We are old people folks, with our reflexes and eyesight... Who knows what they would have shot!!! :boom: :1rotfl:

[villagegolfer]

Considering this post started out as a simple question and turned into gunfight at the OK Corral... Is no one else a little concerned about so many people "packing" in TV?

That being said.... with so many guns in TV and thankfully, no one pulled one because then there may have been someone else hurt worse then the gentleman who was hit with a pipe. We are old people folks, with our reflexes and eyesight... Who knows what they would have shot!!! :boom: :1rotfl:

I take umbrage at your characterization. Have you been to the archery tournaments? Have you been to the Senior Games? Do not tell me that seniors do not have reflexes and bad eyesight. Have you noticed that Mr. Magoo cartoons are rarely shown now a days? Shame on people who put seniors down.

[Posh 08]

I bet the dead people's family at Seals Beach wish their loved ones were packing. That sounds cold but so is the grave.

[Shirleevee]

Salybow, I just wanted to let you know that my response was posted 2 hours earlier than your post about being present during the altercation. Please accept my apology if you feel it was directed at you. However, if you read my post, I stated that hopefully someone from TOTV was there and would share what they saw instead of all the speculation that was going on.
Thank you for sharing your observations of the scene. :ho:

According to the Daiky Sun, no one seems to know who did this. Many were witness to this altercation and yes, the 40ish male was hurt enough to be taken to the hospital.

[chuckinca]

And if the guy who was knocked on the head with a pipe in LSL was packing we could have had a lot more than 13,000 views of this thread.


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[The Village Girl]

Umbrage? Whoa, did someone buy a new dictionary? :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

I'll see your umbrage and raise you a vexation. :1rotfl:

:mademyday: