Obamacare Unraveling

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Why are you happy that the Long Term Care has been taken out of the health plan?

Do you have Long Term Care insurance for you and your wife? Actually is a good thing to have.

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I view ObamaCare as a hindrance to business. Whether it is fair or not, Obamacare is frightening business owners. People need jobs and businesses are skeptical.

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it was destined to unravel and crash before it was passed. As far as Obama is concerned, he got what he wanted a bill passed with some intention in the content to be good for everybody. Remember when it was flailing around in congress, he said he did not care what it wound up being finally....just get something passed. And they did. And he can claim that.

But just like all the other MAJOR issues, whether anything really comes to reality or expectation simply does not bother Obama. Politicians have the attention span of a gnat. And an intention span even smaller.
The proof is in the end results (not ocurring.....consistently).

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it was destined to unravel and crash before it was passed. As far as Obama is concerned, he got what he wanted a bill passed with some intention in the content to be good for everybody. Remember when it was flailing around in congress, he said he did not care what it wound up being finally....just get something passed. And they did. And he can claim that.

But just like all the other MAJOR issues, whether anything really comes to reality or expectation simply does not bother Obama. Politicians have the attention span of a gnat. And an intention span even smaller.The proof is in the end results (not ocurring.....consistently).

btk

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I view ObamaCare as a hindrance to business. Whether it is fair or not, Obamacare is frightening business owners. People need jobs and businesses are skeptical.

If it wasn't, there wouldn't have been something like 1700 companies exempted from Obamacare.

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Why are you happy that the Long Term Care has been taken out of the health plan?

Do you have Long Term Care insurance for you and your wife? Actually is a good thing to have.

Oh good grief. Long-term care insurance is some of the most expensive out there, and the boobs in congress who pushed for this with Obama once again presented it as something for "free", when in reality, the planned costs of it in Obamacare would have caused it to implode alarmingly soon:

AP "The law required the administration to certify that CLASS would remain financially solvent for 75 years before it could be put into place.

But officials said they discovered they could not make CLASS both affordable and financially solvent while keeping it a voluntary program open to virtually all workers, as the law also required.

Monthly premiums would have ranged from $235 to $391, even as high as $3,000 under some scenarios, the administration said. At those prices, healthy people were unlikely to sign up. Suggested changes aimed at discouraging enrollment by people in poor health could have opened the program to court challenges, officials said.

"If healthy purchasers are not attracted ... then premiums will increase, which will make it even more unattractive to purchasers who could also obtain policies in the private market," Kathy Greenlee, the lead official on CLASS, said in a memo to Sebelius. That "would cause the program to quickly collapse."

That's the same conclusion a top government expert reached in 2009. Nearly a year before the health care law passed, Richard Foster, head of long-range economic forecasts for Medicare, warned administration and congressional officials that CLASS would be unworkable. His warnings were disregarded, as President Barack Obama declared his support for adding the long-term care plan to his health care bill."

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If it wasn't, there wouldn't have been something like 1700 companies exempted from Obamacare.

You expect the Obama-ites to be swayed by facts and logic? Surely you jest!!

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I think the objective of including it was to use the premiums to reduce the costs of the other benefits when the plan was scored. I do not think it was ever intended to be implemented as the law said the administration could kill the plan if it was too expensive.

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You expect the Obama-ites to be swayed by facts and logic? Surely you jest!!

Don't call me Shirley!!! :boom:

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Don't call me Shirley!!! :boom:

Trite....tiresome. Nothing original? :boom:

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Trite....tiresome. Nothing original? :boom:

What exactly is wrong with you? I have heard of Minnesota Nice. What happened to you?

You do know that your supposed to stay on subject and address the issues and not one another? I do not know how you get away with all this nonsense.

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What exactly is wrong with you? I have heard of Minnesota Nice. What happened to you?

You do know that your supposed to stay on subject and address the issues and not one another? I do not know how you get away with all this nonsense.

Ignore him. Trolls get their kicks by having people respond to infantile comments. No replays = no kicks and eventually no trolls.

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Ignore him. Trolls get their kicks by having people respond to infantile comments. No replays = no kicks and eventually no trolls.


... a bit like that withering houseplant you forgot to water and put in the sun. Leave it alone long enough and it will wither and die... give it one drop of water and suddenly, it's clinging on for dear life once more.

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Ignore him. Trolls get their kicks by having people respond to infantile comments. No replays = no kicks and eventually no trolls.

Aw....are you trying to prevent me from having a little wholesome fun? :boom:

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What exactly is wrong with you? I have heard of Minnesota Nice. What happened to you?

You do know that your supposed to stay on subject and address the issues and not one another? I do not know how you get away with all this nonsense.

Must have missed the memo on Minnesota Nice. Actually, and seriously, I am so tired of those on the right sounding off self-righteously and liberals just sitting back knowing they are wrong but not challenging them. The Party of No needs to be called out for what they are. :boom:

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Must have missed the memo on Minnesota Nice. Actually, and seriously, I am so tired of those on the right sounding off self-righteously and liberals just sitting back knowing they are wrong but not challenging them. The Party of No needs to be called out for what they are. :boom:

Cannot you articulate your issues, or is the void too much?

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Cannot you articulate your issues, or is the void too much?

Pot.......Kettle........Black

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Pot.......Kettle........Black

I guess Pa has their share of trolls, too.

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Actually, and seriously, I am so tired of those on the right sounding off self-righteously and liberals just sitting back knowing they are wrong but not challenging them. The Party of No needs to be called out for what they are. :boom:

DaleMN...so challenge them with facts and your opinions. You just continue to make trite and tiresome statements and no one can or will take you seriously. Try backing up your statements. Please.

Thank you for taking the:cus: icon off your posts...you were really starting to worry me!

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What exactly is wrong with you? I have heard of Minnesota Nice. What happened to you?

You do know that your supposed to stay on subject and address the issues and not one another? I do not know how you get away with all this nonsense.

VG I lived in Minneapolis for many years and Minnesota Nice does prevail. For instances did you know if you lost your wallet with $200 in it, it would be reutrned to you with $250. And did you know that Minnesota Nice has such an influence over people's manners that they can't have four way stop signs because it would be "please you go first, "no, please you go first".:D

Actually DaleMN is really a nice guy he just is having fun being a nudge and my being influenced for some many years under the "Minnesota Nice eagerly agrees that he should have that opportunity.

On the serious side others poster are spot on in their explanation that the CLASS act was only designed to pay for ObamaCare benefits up front and in reality would never have come to fruition. Never have we had a more deceptive president in our history than Obama

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Must have missed the memo on Minnesota Nice. Actually, and seriously, I am so tired of those on the right sounding off self-righteously and liberals just sitting back knowing they are wrong but not challenging them. The Party of No needs to be called out for what they are. :boom:

So you think the right leaning are self-righteous and wrong, and the left leaning are correct and wimpy.

If that about sums up your thinking and you have nothing more to add, you should know we all get it by now.

So then what's point, if any, are you trying to make with all the "silly" bomb throwing?

It adds nothing, and subtracts nothing, and is just mildly annoying.

Is that all you wish to contribute to the discussions; your sense of annoyance? If so, your job is done.

It's your privilege, but it's very uninspired IMHO.

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So you think the right leaning are self-righteous and wrong, and the left leaning are correct and wimpy.

If that about sums up your thinking and you have nothing more to add, you should know we all get it by now.

So then what's point, if any, are you trying to make with all the "silly" bomb throwing?

It adds nothing, and subtracts nothing, and is just mildly annoying.

Is that all you wish to contribute to the discussions; your sense of annoyance? If so, your job is done.

It's your privilege, but it's very uninspired IMHO.

We all suffer for our sanity. :boom:

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Lots of meaningless back and forth here but I did ask a question earlier on about long term care.

Do any of you understand that your health insurance or Medicare does not pay for long term care? You will be responsible until you have no assets and then a minimum amount will be paid by Medicaid. This minimum will not get you into a very nice nursing home but it will be paid BY THE GOVERNMENT.

As seniors in The Villages, check out for your own good the long term care insurances offered by private insurance companies. The younger and healthier you are when you enroll - and start paying premiums - the cheaper it is. Just a word to the future thinking people out there. No agruing intended, just presenting a little bit of fact.

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A couple posters on this thread need to act their age. I've seen 6 year olds more mature than some of you with your back and forth banter. That's not debating but it sure is immature.

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Lots of meaningless back and forth here but I did ask a question earlier on about long term care.

Do any of you understand that your health insurance or Medicare does not pay for long term care? You will be responsible until you have no assets and then a minimum amount will be paid by Medicaid. This minimum will not get you into a very nice nursing home but it will be paid BY THE GOVERNMENT.

As seniors in The Villages, check out for your own good the long term care insurances offered by private insurance companies. The younger and healthier you are when you enroll - and start paying premiums - the cheaper it is. Just a word to the future thinking people out there. No agruing intended, just presenting a little bit of fact.

Your right buggyone LTC is essential but buying now at our ages would be cost prohibited and I think that was what the governement recognized

The best some of us can do is eat healthy exercise on a regular basis and smile a lot:D

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This guy Obama is despicable. I wonder if supporting the useful idiots that it will backfire on President Zero.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/052226f8-f80c-11e0-a419-00144feab49a.html#axzz1azVYk7Hj

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A couple posters on this thread need to act their age. I've seen 6 year olds more mature than some of you with your back and forth banter. That's not debating but it sure is immature.

You are unequivically correct.

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You are unequivically correct.

You're funny. Yoo Hoo, anyone home?:mademyday:

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You're funny. Yoo Hoo, anyone home?:mademyday:

Not really. I've lowered myself, in my comments, to a place I don't want to be.
My next, and last, post will be following the election in '12. :boom:

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Not really. I've lowered myself, in my comments, to a place I don't want to be.
My next, and last, post will be following the election in '12. :boom:

Well, that will be over a year from now. Many things can happen in the meantime.

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Not really. I've lowered myself, in my comments, to a place I don't want to be.
My next, and last, post will be following the election in '12. :boom:

You'll go through withdrawals. Where else are you gonna get your fix? Besides, you'll miss us.