Merry Christmas from Tea Party Repubs

[Guest]

Well, the gringe stole Christmas for Americans in the form of Tea Party Republicans rejecting the extension of tax cuts for working Americans. Average of $1000 less for each working individual in 2012. Hurts the economy, not in the interest of the people, but heck they have to say NO to Obama. Unbelievable!!! How anyone can support the Republican agenda is far beyond my comprehension. :cus: :cus:

[Guest]

Why wouldn't our feckless Congress just take the issues in question and give them up-or-down votes under the current Congressional rules?
One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay?

Build the pipeline?…yea or nay?

Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay?
Why don't we just get on with it and let the chips fall where they may?

Oh, I know. If the Congress actually voted that way, they'd each have to stand up to their constituents and be counted, rather than hiding behind the excuse that they didn't vote for "this" because it would include a vote for "that". That would prevent them from hiding behind the confusion created with the competing sound bites on the Sunday talk shows.

[Guest]

Why wouldn't our feckless Congress just take the issues in question and give them up-or-down votes under the current Congressional rules?
One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay?

Build the pipeline?…yea or nay?

Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay?
Why don't we just get on with it and let the chips fall where they may?

Oh, I know. If the Congress actually voted that way, they'd each have to stand up to their constituents and be counted, rather than hiding behind the excuse that they didn't vote for "this" because it would include a vote for "that". That would prevent them from hiding behind the confusion created with the competing sound bites on the Sunday talk shows.

Not to mention the republicans would have to contend with that great American, grover norquist. (sarcasm caveat)

[Guest]

without an extension of the payroll tax deduction, social security stands to receive larger contributions - right? i believe that would benefit me more than a payroll tax deduction would - since i do not collect a pay check and do collect a social security check.

[Guest]

If voting was that easy in congress what would they do for the other 10 months

[Guest]

I don't remember seeing everybody tear the Senate a new one for voting for a TWO MONTH extension for this so they could go on vacation and kick the can down the road.

This way they could ACT like they were doing something without having to actually do something.

In two months we would be right back were we are now and deeper into the election year.

It always amazes how it is always the repubs fault no matter what happens.
If they pass something it is for the rich, if they don't it is against the poor and middle class.

Both the repubs AND the dems are killing this country.
If you think your guy is the right one, just wait a few days and look again.

They are not for us but for their egos and pocket.

[Guest]

It always amazes how it is always the repubs fault no matter what happens.
If they pass something it is for the rich, if they don't it is against the poor and middle class.


They are not for us but for their egos and pocket.

That's about right. :laugh:

[Guest]

The Democrat way is to prolong the agony. With their control of the Senate they put forth a 2 month extension of the payroll tax cut. The Republican House majority want the cuts extended for a full year, putting some stability to the issue.

Democrats can't commit to a tax cut for a full year. Why? They say they don't know how to "pay" for it. I love that verbiage. Harry Reid doesn't know how to "pay" for you to keep your own money.

Democrats, get off the partisan nonsense and support even just this little bit of economic stability and the requirement that our jobs killing President deal with the Keystone Pipeline that will begin our economic recovery and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

[Guest]

Well, the gringe stole Christmas for Americans in the form of Tea Party Republicans rejecting the extension of tax cuts for working Americans. Average of $1000 less for each working individual in 2012. Hurts the economy, not in the interest of the people, but heck they have to say NO to Obama. Unbelievable!!! How anyone can support the Republican agenda is far beyond my comprehension. :cus: :cus:

Do you even ever try to get facts before you just say things ?

[Guest]

The Democrat way is to prolong the agony. With their control of the Senate they put forth a 2 month extension of the payroll tax cut. The Republican House majority want the cuts extended for a full year, putting some stability to the issue.

Democrats can't commit to a tax cut for a full year. Why? They say they don't know how to "pay" for it. I love that verbiage. Harry Reid doesn't know how to "pay" for you to keep your own money.

Democrats, get off the partisan nonsense and support even just this little bit of economic stability and the requirement that our jobs killing President deal with the Keystone Pipeline that will begin our economic recovery and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

And 39 republican senators voted for the two month extension including your tea-party favorite, Marco Rubio.

[Guest]

Why wouldn't our feckless Congress just take the issues in question and give them up-or-down votes under the current Congressional rules?
One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay?

Build the pipeline?…yea or nay?

Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay?
Why don't we just get on with it and let the chips fall where they may?

Oh, I know. If the Congress actually voted that way, they'd each have to stand up to their constituents and be counted, rather than hiding behind the excuse that they didn't vote for "this" because it would include a vote for "that". That would prevent them from hiding behind the confusion created with the competing sound bites on the Sunday talk shows.

This is exactly right. It's ALL about managing the Sound Bites....and what looks good for re-election purposes.

[Guest]

VK has it right. Let each piece stand on its own merit. Force our reps on BOTH side to show some guts. However I see some of you again falling for the great American lie that it is either the Dems or Repubs problem. Sorry it is neither....let's face the facts....our system is so resolutely CORRUPT that more and more money is flowing into the system and our Reps and Senators are all bought and paid for by some organization. Unions envionmental groups Wall street,big business,NRA,and on and on all own our gov't. We are no longer a government for and by the people,we are a government of speciel interests. Argue all you want about Repubs and Dems they are laughing all the way to the bank.

[Guest]

VK has it right. Let each piece stand on its own merit. Force our reps on BOTH side to show some guts. However I see some of you again falling for the great American lie that it is either the Dems or Repubs problem. Sorry it is neither....let's face the facts....our system is so resolutely CORRUPT that more and more money is flowing into the system and our Reps and Senators are all bought and paid for by some organization. Unions envionmental groups Wall street,big business,NRA,and on and on all own our gov't. We are no longer a government for and by the people,we are a government of speciel interests. Argue all you want about Repubs and Dems they are laughing all the way to the bank.

:agree: waynet got it right

[Guest]

And 39 republican senators voted for the two month extension including your tea-party favorite, Marco Rubio.

I'm not really opposed to the 2 month extension, but the 1 year extension is better, coupled with requiring the President to address the Canada pipeline.

[Guest]

I'm not really opposed to the 2 month extension, but the 1 year extension is better, coupled with requiring the President to address the Canada pipeline.

And the more the clowns fight among themselves, the higher the presidents poll numbers go - five points in one week.

[Guest]

isn't it rather obvious all the government seems able to do is extend for short periods of time.

Must be they can justify the cost of two or three month chunks.
Or maybe they know they will have to at some point STOP extending unemployment. So in the mean time extending for only a couple of more months is more acceptable. I think we are approaching people out of work for up to three years being paid. There never was any incentive to go find a job while collecting unemployment...there still is not.

Does anybody think there will be any different outcome as the two month deadline approaches? Of course not.

Why is there no attention given to the fact the lawmakers will be away from Washington for over a month?

It is high time to stop the micro solutions and do something. If we the people wind up being taxed for a couple of months in the process so be it. The country needs the money, right.

The blame gaming going on again is nothing more than campaigning...NOTHING MORE.

Why aren't more people upset with the hollow actions of a two months extension....because the media is coaching them other wise.

I say draw a lone in the cement and let the chips fall where they may.

btk

[Guest]

And the more the clowns fight among themselves, the higher the presidents poll numbers go - five points in one week.

Drink the Kool-Aid, there's plenty more where that came from.

The numbers will rise, the jobless rate will go down; brought to you by the lamestream media.

[Guest]

And the more the clowns fight among themselves, the higher the presidents poll numbers go - five points in one week.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Guest]

...and just why are the Republicans so eager for the Keystone pipeline? Is it because it will create thousands of new jobs? No, it will not create many jobs in the US. Is it to reduce dependence on foreign oil? Isn't Canada a foreign country? Is it because the Koch Brothers are the main beneficiaries of the pipeline? Yes, that is it - You get an "A" for that answer.

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110210/koch-brothers-positioned-be-big-winners-if-keystone-xl-pipeline-approved

[Guest]

...and just why are the Republicans so eager for the Keystone pipeline? Is it because it will create thousands of new jobs? No, it will not create many jobs in the US. Is it to reduce dependence on foreign oil? Isn't Canada a foreign country? Is it because the Koch Brothers are the main beneficiaries of the pipeline? Yes, that is it - You get an "A" for that answer.

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110210/koch-brothers-positioned-be-big-winners-if-keystone-xl-pipeline-approved

And the koch brothers have spent good money, tens of millions, to control the minds, and votes, of millions of people who stand not only not to gain, but to lose, by adoption of the koch's pet projects and programs (and especially low tax rates). They almost got their man herman to the alter, before his personal missteps - er sorry, the lamestream media, got in the way.

[Guest]

In light of the results of this experiment, I say we give us all the Christmas gift that we all deserve...we vote them all out!


The Monkey Banana and Water Spray Experiment

The experiment is real

The experiment involved 5 monkeys (10 altogether, including replacements), a cage, a banana, a ladder and, an ice cold water hose.

The Experiment- Part 1
5 monkeys are locked in a cage, a banana was hung from the ceiling and a ladder was placed right underneath it.
As predicted, immediately, one of the monkeys would race towards the ladder, to grab the banana. However, as soon as he would start to climb, the researcher would spray the monkey with ice-cold water.
but here's the kicker- In addition, he would also spray the other four monkeys…

When a second monkey tried to climb the ladder, the researcher would, again, spray the monkey with ice-cold water, As well as the other four watching monkeys;
This was repeated again and again until they learned their lesson:\
Climbing equals scary cold water for EVERYONE so No One Climbs the ladder.

The Experiment- Part 2
Once the 5 monkeys knew the drill, the researcher replaced one of the monkeys with a new inexperienced one. As predicted, the new monkey spots the banana, and goes for the ladder. BUT, the other four monkeys, knowing the drill, jumped on the new monkey and beat him up. The beat up new guy thus Learns- NO going for the ladder and No Banana Period- without even knowing why! and also without ever being sprayed with water!

These actions get repeated with 3 more times, with a new monkey each time and ASTONISHINGLY each new monkey- who had never received the cold-water Spray himself (and didn't even know anything about it), would Join the beating up of the New guy.
This is a classic example of Mob Mentality- bystanders and outsiders uninvolved with the fight- join in...Just Because.

When the researcher replaced a third monkey, the same thing happened; likewise for the fourth until, eventually, all the monkeys had been replaced and none of the original ones are left in the cage (that had been sprayed by water).

The Experiment- Part 3
Again, a new monkey was introduced into the cage. It ran toward the ladder only to get beaten up by the others. The monkey turns with a curious face asking "why do you beat me up when I try to get the banana?"
The other four monkeys stopped and looked at each other puzzled (None of them had been sprayed and so they really had no clue why the new guy can't get the banana) but it didnt matter, it was too late, the rules had been set. And So, although they didn't know WHY, they beat up the monkey just because " that's the way we do things around here".

http://bbs.311.com/forum/showthread.php?1681-Monkeys-Bananas-Ice-cold-water

[Guest]

The Monkey Banana and Water Spray Experiment

Good one!

[Guest]

I thought the Tea Party was about cutting taxes. It seems that they might be responsible for my taxes going up not down. If they are true to their basic tenet why are they holding this thing up. And why have they added all this other crap to a simple bill to extend the payroll tax cut. Sounds like politics as usual .

[Guest]

I thought the Tea Party was about cutting taxes. It seems that they might be responsible for my taxes going up not down. If they are true to their basic tenet why are they holding this thing up. And why have they added all this other crap to a simple bill to extend the payroll tax cut. Sounds like politics as usual .

Are you lost?

[Guest]

I'll chime in on VK's questions:

One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay? Yea. I'd add that the FICA tax ceiling be removed.

Build the pipeline?…yea or nay? Yea. Even in the WORST case scenario, sending our money to Canada is better than sending it to the catboxes.

Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay? Yea. Restore the rate to where it was when we were booming. It's a whole 3% increase if memory serves.

[Guest]

why do some argue the point that rejecting a two month bill a "solution". All that is happening is the push pull of partisan leadership and please don't make it sound like the dems are the good guys and the repubs are the bad guys.

A non solution is being challenged. Two months reprieve is nothing more than PARTISAN POLITICS, MEDIA CANNON FODDER.

Business as usual!!!!!!

btk

[Guest]

As the Wall Street Journal said today "Republicans just handed reelection to President Obama".

[Guest]

Richie,not lost at all. Just because you have no intelligent response to my facts as presented no need to be mean about it.

[Guest]

for a two month non solution?
That is some writers two minutes of fame opinion of the minute.
Does it matter that the issue is not moving the problem out two months?

If it passed does anybody believe for one minute the same issues...partisan screwing around...will magically go away?

Can people not recognize you are being fed what the partisan maniacs want you to hear?

Really!?!?!?!?!

btk

[Guest]

Even if the extension is only for 2 months, it means about $40 less per paycheck until the 2 months is up. During that 2 month time period, I would hope Congress could get a long-term payroll tax cut voted upon.

It is terrible that the Republicans tie a tax cut and unemployment benefits to a loser idea such as the Keystone pipeline that benefits the Koch brothers.

[Guest]

for a two month non solution?
That is some writers two minutes of fame opinion of the minute.
Does it matter that the issue is not moving the problem out two months?

If it passed does anybody believe for one minute the same issues...partisan screwing around...will magically go away?

Can people not recognize you are being fed what the partisan maniacs want you to hear?

Really!?!?!?!?!

btk

Are you calling the 39 republican senators, including the tea party favorite Marco Rubio, who voted for the extension, partisan maniacs?

[Guest]

...the 1 year extension is better, coupled with requiring the President to address the Canada pipeline.Wy does the pipeline have to be coupled to a bill that both parties agree is desirable and would pass with an overwhelming majority? Why not let the pipeline get voted on with a straight up or down vote? There's a good chance it would pass both houses, leaving the "problem" to the POTUS, if he chooses to veto it.

[Guest]

...please don't make it sound like the dems are the good guys and the repubs are the bad guys.You're right, Bilie. The politicians of both parties have set this vote up just the way they like it. There are elements that both parties dislike, giving the politicians the opportunitty ot skate buy without taking a position and the partisans on both sides the opportunity to blame "the other guys", while nothing gets done.

You're right. No party is right or wrong. Both parties, the leadership of both parties, and the partisans supporting both parties are all wrong. We've been at this same ideological, non-productive, destructive bickering for too long. The only solution is to get rid of them all and start over. I'd even say start over with a different system of government except I can't think of one that might work better without taking the risks associated with a benevolent dictatorship.

[Guest]

Wy does the pipeline have to be coupled to a bill that both parties agree is desirable and would pass with an overwhelming majority? Why not let the pipeline get voted on with a straight up or down vote? There's a good chance it would pass both houses, leaving the "problem" to the POTUS, if he chooses to veto it.

I have to agree with this. It seems like the repubs have decided that they are willing to fall on the sword for something that both sides agree on.
Does not make much sense.

I do think that passing the tax bill for 2 months is chicken s(beeeep)t!
It only highlights how low our country has sunk when it comes to running the business of OUR country.
Just put the bill out there without trying to get some other crap attatched and vote on the damn thing. YES-NO UP-DOWN. That's it it passes or it does not. Do your job for the people instead of "doing a job" ON the people!

Term limits!!

[Guest]

How long are the house republicans going to stay in Washington negotiating with themselves? Could it be that they are afraid to go home and face their constituents? House republicans meet cliff.

[Guest]

The two month payroll tax cut was just anothr cash for clinker clunkers. it was only meant to make it appear that Obama, the fourth best president ever, his words, was cutting taxes.

I personally am not in favor of the year long redution i payroll tax as soial security is already in trouble. We have 9%+ unemployemnt meaning those folks are not paying payroll taxes. Can anyone see the dilemma here.

In addition we continue with unemployment insurance, another faux remedy for our ailing economy.

I had read some really silly nonsense about the Keystone PL. We should have sized on that opportunity but let celebrity environmentalist influence Obama. Not only did we lose on this proposition foreign competitors will benefit.

Again we have a major lack inleadership.

finally the 2010 mandate to Republicans was to hold the line. they are attempting that and too many of us are whinning.

[Guest]

How long are the house republicans going to stay in Washington negotiating with themselves? Could it be that they are afraid to go home and face their constituents? House republicans meet cliff.




Could be - last time I looked, the Congress had a 12.7% approval rating.

[Guest]

Rubicon needs to read the newspapers a bit closer. The US unemployment rate has dropped to 8.6%; not the 9+% he mentions.

Not being in favor of a tax cut does not sound very Tea Partyish to me but wanting to throw people off of unemployment benefit rolls does.

It is silly nonsense to separate the Keystone pipeline from this bill so they can come to grips with one or two big problems that need fixing right away? The Republicans want to tie them together so the President will not win.

This is a good reason for line item veto.

[Guest]

Rubicon needs to read the newspapers a bit closer. The US unemployment rate has dropped to 8.6%; not the 9+% he mentions.

Not being in favor of a tax cut does not sound very Tea Partyish to me but wanting to throw people off of unemployment benefit rolls does.

It is silly nonsense to separate the Keystone pipeline from this bill so they can come to grips with one or two big problems that need fixing right away? The Republicans want to tie them together so the President will not win.

This is a good reason for line item veto.

Apparently Rubicon doesn't care what happens to the economy when you pull this much money out of an already fragile recovery. The value of his TV home will tank even more. Oh well, let them eat cake.

[Guest]

for two months????

btk

[Guest]

for two months????

btk

Two months can be an eternity when you have no money coming in as in unemployment benefits. No money to pay the rent and utilities and buy food.

[Guest]

2 months does matter to lots of people. For many it is their disretionary income and to say it doesn't matter is pure nonsense. Some of you will go to any means to discredit the President and this is just another example. Its a major reason why your credibility is zero. What the House is doing is wrong and everybody knows it including most Republicans. Please stop defending this garbage.

[Guest]

:cus::agree:

[Guest]

it has nothing to do with discrediting the president. I certainly didn't say it. For those who need to change the optics on their distorted magnifying glasses....this last minute extension after extension has been going on long before your guy became POTUS so how about giving that tune a break?

The congress, you remember? Comprised of the senate and the house has had months and months to grapple with this issue. The brinksmanship on this very issue has also gone on long before Obama.

The comments made are in criticism of the congress not doing their job. To come up with once again a lame extension, this time two months solves what? Nothing what so ever. What makes you defenders think there is not going to be an interruption of the tax break after the two months? Do you think the congress that has not been able to do it to date will magically get something done in two months? They won't. Their track record, including BEFORE OBAMA, bears out they can not and will not get it done.

The lenses on some of your partisan glasses and the broken record of everything that gets said is twisted to reflect a dislike of Obama is so monotonous and non value adding.

The disgust some of us have for what is going on in Washington is shown in all it's glory when the super duper committee did not do it's job (PLEASE NOTE THE COMMITTEE IS EQUAL IN NUMBER DEMS AND REPUBS) and nary a whimper was heard. Ditto for all the non budgeted extensions that have been going on since Obama became POTUS and for those able to look at the issue, the number of times before he became POTUS.

There simply is no priority whatsoever for those in Washington to do other than business as usual....that goes for R &D and ONLY happens to include Obama AS WELL AS THOSE BEFORE HIM!!! :cus:

How about some commentary or opinion about why nothing was not done since the last extension was voted through?

btk:faint:

[Guest]

I feel it a rather simple explaination. I have posted this numerous times but here it is again. The system is awash in money and has been corrupted by it. We are no longer a country of and by the people we are a country run by large PACS,unions,big business,big energy,big pharm.....they determine legislation no one else. :spoken:

[Guest]

Is anybody paying attention that this payroll "tax cut" is the deduction for Social Security that we've been told forever is an "insurance policy" funded by us, and not a government entitlement?

How about that this "tax cut" is to be funded by increased fees on new mortgages that you know will be "permanent" as these payroll "tax cuts" are eventually eliminated?

Two months, or one year? This is probably the stupidest "crisis" I've ever witnessed.

[Guest]

No one has brought out that $40 per paycheck assumes everyone must be making $50,000+. This like most percentage cuts or raises puts more dollars back in the pocket of the highest wage earners than in the lower wage earners. The 2% is coming out of Social Security so isn't this contributing to a future shortfall in money that will be available when needed. The answer isn't to kick the can down the road, it is to find a way to turn our economy around. VK I agree with you, it is time to never vote for any incumbent. It appears all of them are drunk with power.