Well, the gringe stole Christmas for Americans in the form of Tea Party Republicans rejecting the extension of tax cuts for working Americans. Average of $1000 less for each working individual in 2012. Hurts the economy, not in the interest of the people, but heck they have to say NO to Obama. Unbelievable!!! How anyone can support the Republican agenda is far beyond my comprehension.

Why wouldn't our feckless Congress just take the issues in question and give them up-or-down votes under the current Congressional rules?

• One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay?

• Build the pipeline?…yea or nay?

• Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay?

Why don't we just get on with it and let the chips fall where they may?

Oh, I know. If the Congress actually voted that way, they'd each have to stand up to their constituents and be counted, rather than hiding behind the excuse that they didn't vote for "this" because it would include a vote for "that". That would prevent them from hiding behind the confusion created with the competing sound bites on the Sunday talk shows.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Why wouldn't our feckless Congress just take the issues in question and give them up-or-down votes under the current Congressional rules?

• One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay?

• Build the pipeline?…yea or nay?

• Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay?

Why don't we just get on with it and let the chips fall where they may?

Oh, I know. If the Congress actually voted that way, they'd each have to stand up to their constituents and be counted, rather than hiding behind the excuse that they didn't vote for "this" because it would include a vote for "that". That would prevent them from hiding behind the confusion created with the competing sound bites on the Sunday talk shows.

Not to mention the republicans would have to contend with that great American, grover norquist. (sarcasm caveat)

without an extension of the payroll tax deduction, social security stands to receive larger contributions - right? i believe that would benefit me more than a payroll tax deduction would - since i do not collect a pay check and do collect a social security check.

If voting was that easy in congress what would they do for the other 10 months

I don't remember seeing everybody tear the Senate a new one for voting for a TWO MONTH extension for this so they could go on vacation and kick the can down the road.

This way they could ACT like they were doing something without having to actually do something.

In two months we would be right back were we are now and deeper into the election year.

It always amazes how it is always the repubs fault no matter what happens.
If they pass something it is for the rich, if they don't it is against the poor and middle class.

Both the repubs AND the dems are killing this country.
If you think your guy is the right one, just wait a few days and look again.

They are not for us but for their egos and pocket.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

It always amazes how it is always the repubs fault no matter what happens.
If they pass something it is for the rich, if they don't it is against the poor and middle class.


They are not for us but for their egos and pocket.

That's about right.

The Democrat way is to prolong the agony. With their control of the Senate they put forth a 2 month extension of the payroll tax cut. The Republican House majority want the cuts extended for a full year, putting some stability to the issue.

Democrats can't commit to a tax cut for a full year. Why? They say they don't know how to "pay" for it. I love that verbiage. Harry Reid doesn't know how to "pay" for you to keep your own money.

Democrats, get off the partisan nonsense and support even just this little bit of economic stability and the requirement that our jobs killing President deal with the Keystone Pipeline that will begin our economic recovery and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Well, the gringe stole Christmas for Americans in the form of Tea Party Republicans rejecting the extension of tax cuts for working Americans. Average of $1000 less for each working individual in 2012. Hurts the economy, not in the interest of the people, but heck they have to say NO to Obama. Unbelievable!!! How anyone can support the Republican agenda is far beyond my comprehension.

Do you even ever try to get facts before you just say things ?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

The Democrat way is to prolong the agony. With their control of the Senate they put forth a 2 month extension of the payroll tax cut. The Republican House majority want the cuts extended for a full year, putting some stability to the issue.

Democrats can't commit to a tax cut for a full year. Why? They say they don't know how to "pay" for it. I love that verbiage. Harry Reid doesn't know how to "pay" for you to keep your own money.

Democrats, get off the partisan nonsense and support even just this little bit of economic stability and the requirement that our jobs killing President deal with the Keystone Pipeline that will begin our economic recovery and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

And 39 republican senators voted for the two month extension including your tea-party favorite, Marco Rubio.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Why wouldn't our feckless Congress just take the issues in question and give them up-or-down votes under the current Congressional rules?

• One year extension of the payroll tax reduction…yea or nay?

• Build the pipeline?…yea or nay?

• Increase income taxes on those with $1 mil or more in annual income?…yea or nay?

Why don't we just get on with it and let the chips fall where they may?

Oh, I know. If the Congress actually voted that way, they'd each have to stand up to their constituents and be counted, rather than hiding behind the excuse that they didn't vote for "this" because it would include a vote for "that". That would prevent them from hiding behind the confusion created with the competing sound bites on the Sunday talk shows.

This is exactly right. It's ALL about managing the Sound Bites....and what looks good for re-election purposes.

VK has it right. Let each piece stand on its own merit. Force our reps on BOTH side to show some guts. However I see some of you again falling for the great American lie that it is either the Dems or Repubs problem. Sorry it is neither....let's face the facts....our system is so resolutely CORRUPT that more and more money is flowing into the system and our Reps and Senators are all bought and paid for by some organization. Unions envionmental groups Wall street,big business,NRA,and on and on all own our gov't. We are no longer a government for and by the people,we are a government of speciel interests. Argue all you want about Repubs and Dems they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Originally Posted by waynet

VK has it right. Let each piece stand on its own merit. Force our reps on BOTH side to show some guts. However I see some of you again falling for the great American lie that it is either the Dems or Repubs problem. Sorry it is neither....let's face the facts....our system is so resolutely CORRUPT that more and more money is flowing into the system and our Reps and Senators are all bought and paid for by some organization. Unions envionmental groups Wall street,big business,NRA,and on and on all own our gov't. We are no longer a government for and by the people,we are a government of speciel interests. Argue all you want about Repubs and Dems they are laughing all the way to the bank.

waynet got it right

Originally Posted by janmcn

And 39 republican senators voted for the two month extension including your tea-party favorite, Marco Rubio.

I'm not really opposed to the 2 month extension, but the 1 year extension is better, coupled with requiring the President to address the Canada pipeline.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'm not really opposed to the 2 month extension, but the 1 year extension is better, coupled with requiring the President to address the Canada pipeline.

And the more the clowns fight among themselves, the higher the presidents poll numbers go - five points in one week.