Flags Lowered For Whitney Houston

[daca55]

I think Whitney Houston was a great singer but I think the Governor of NJ made a mistake when he declared that all flags will be at half mast in honor of her passing. I always equated flags at half mast to honor someone who did something special for this country like a military person who dies for his country or the people who died on 911. Being a great singer ....well I don't get it and I don't think it's right. Just wondering if it is just me who thinks this way.

DACA :ohdear:

[The Village Girl]

I don't get it either.


Susan O'Connor:
"Evidently Whitney Houston died. In bigger news, 28 US Soldiers have died in Afghanistan this year. Maybe you could add them to your status too?"

2-07-2012 US Sutton, Billy A. Sergeant 1st Class 42
2-03-2012 US Hildner, Terence J. Brigadier General 49
2-01-2012 US Dycus, Edward J. Lance Corporal 22
1-31-2012 US Stacey, William C. Sergeant 23
1-22-2012 US Pairsh, Joshua C. Captain 29
1-21-2012 US Singer, Christopher G. Corporal 23
1-20-2012 US Riddick, Travis Master Sergeant 40
1-20-2012 US Reinhard, Kevin Corporal 25
1-20-2012 US Bartle, Daniel B. Captain 27
1-20-2012 US Stites, Jesse W. Corporal 23
1-20-2012 US McHone, Nathan R. Captain 29
1-20-2012 US Logan, Joseph D. Corporal 22
1-18-2012 US McGeath, Phillip D. Corporal 25
1-18-2012 US Benson, Keith D. Specialist 27
1-15-2012 US Wise, Benjamin B. Seaman 34
1-15-2012 US Cochran, Kenneth E. Lance Corporal 20
1-15-2012 US Bateman, Jon-Luke Corporal 22
1-11-2012 US Turner, Neil I. Private (Trooper) 21
1-10-2012 US Pyron, Michael W. Private 1st Class 30
1-08-2012 US Napier, Dustin P. Private 1st Class 20
1-06-2012 US Metzger, Jonathan M. Staff Sergeant 32
1-06-2012 US Leonhardt, Brian J. Specialist 21
1-06-2012 US Tauteris Jr., Robert J. Specialist 44
1-06-2012 US Patterson, Christopher A. Specialist 20
1-06-2012 US Seidler, Matthew R. Airman 1st Class 24
1-05-2012 US Bell, Bryan R. Senior Airman 23
1-05-2012 US Schwartz, Matthew S. Technical Sergeant 34
1-02-2012 US Regelin, Chad R. Petty Officer 1st Class 24

[justanormalgirl]

I don't get it either......

[skyc6]

I completely do not understand why we are honoring a wonderful singer, who lived and raised a child in an abusive home, was an addict, and died very likely from an overdose. Frankly, she was an incredibly poor role model for her child and all other young people.
Those war casualities are the true heroes!

[ilovetv]

I don't like it....... and I get it:

Hollywood runs this superficial society to get all eyes turned onto IT, while people of substance who sacrifice for our nation's freedoms are disregarded.

[tainsley]

I think Whitney Houston was a great singer but I think the Governor of NJ made a mistake when he declared that all flags will be at half mast in honor of her passing. I always equated flags at half mast to honor someone who did something special for this country like a military person who dies for his country or the people who died on 911. Being a great singer ....well I don't get it and I don't think it's right. Just wondering if it is just me who thinks this way.

DACA :ohdear:

I couldn't agree with you more! No doubt she was a great singer but...sometimes I wonder about the Govenor!

[daca55]

I completely do not understand why we are honoring a wonderful singer, who lived and raised a child in an abusive home, was an addict, and died very likely from an overdose. Frankly, she was an incredibly poor role model for her child and all other young people.
Those war casualities are the true heroes!

:mademyday:

[skip0358]

What's next ? Maybe we should mint some money with her on it. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

[Mikeod]

Another politician pandering to voters and showing disrespect to those who deserve the honor . Sadly, it's not new.

[skyc6]

You are so right.

[coralway]

NJ Assembly AND Senate will - or maybe already have - passed the same sex marriage bill - which Christie has said doesn't matter because he will veto it.

Flying the flag as half mast for Houston is just another Republican governor pandering for votes.

The real question is, why is anyone surprised?

[njbchbum]

Another politician pandering to voters and showing disrespect to those who deserve the honor . Sadly, it's not new.

NJ Assembly AND Senate will - or maybe already have - passed the same sex marriage bill - which Christie has said doesn't matter because he will veto it.

Flying the flag as half mast for Houston is just another Republican governor pandering for votes.

The real question is, why is anyone surprised?

i can assure you - gov christie is running for vice president! pandering is his specialty when he's not acting like a bully! jmho, of course!

[skyc6]

Same sex marriage and honoring a drug addict are not in the same category. JMHO

[katezbox]

Why must it be either or.... ? EITHER we honor vets OR we honor Whitney Houston.... Let's not judge her - it's not our job...

We can be thankful for the brave men and women who died in the line of duty AND we can be sad for the loss of one of the most beautiful voices of our time...

[The Village Girl]

New York City will not honor the vets in the war but will give a parade for the winning team in the Superbowl.

Lower the flag for a celeb? We might as well just fly them at half mast for every celeb!

This isn't about Whitney, this is about priorities! We now look up to people who's jobs are to sing and play games and ignore the people who are fighting for us.

Yes...Why is it an either, or? I ask the same question.

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[Oren L Miller]

I don't want my kids worshiping or honoring crack addicts. Picking these kinds of people to be hero's makes me doubt people's ability to reason and make decent decisions.
There are a lot of good singers out there. Her cousin was Dione Warwick and Aretha Franklin was her Godmother. If it wasn't for that would we really have heard of her. Let's honor the people that really deserve it.

[ilovetv]

Do you guys remember how long after the funeral the media kept beating the dead horse of Michael Jackson's death?? It still hasn't stopped, even with the so-called doctor who gave him Propofol being convicted. And why is that? Because people are still making money off all of it.

Remember how Michael Jackson's pitiful, sweet daughter was put up there to speak at the funeral, to keep the raw memories alive thru her?

Well, I'd bet that they will do the same thing with pitiful Bobbi Kristina at this funeral. The money mongers will be using her, too....for decades.

And she has that P.O.S. "father" left as her guide. This girl needs all our prayers. She was already on a path of destruction before the death of her mom.

This is the Hollywood legacy.

[k2at]

I am sorry to say that I am from NJ. I think the gov. should rethink his decision.

[ilovetv]

I am sorry to say that I am from NJ. I think the gov. should rethink his decision.

We should all email him and tell him how this stinks.

[ilovetv]

Read this and decide if a pop singer fits with these for whom/what the flag is flown half staff:

"Federal guidelines state the flag should be flown at half-staff at the following dates/times:

May 15 � Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless it is the third Saturday in May,

Armed Forces Day, full-staff all day[43]

Last Monday in May � Memorial Day (until noon)

July 27 � Korean War Veterans Day (expired 2003 − reinstated 2009)[44][45]

September 11 � Patriot Day[46]

First Sunday in October � Start of Fire Prevention Week.[47][48]

December 7 � National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day [49]

For 30 days � Death of a president or former president

For 10 days � Death of a vice president, Supreme Court chief justice/retired chief justice, or speaker of the House of Representatives.

From death until the day of interment � Supreme Court associate justice, member of the Cabinet, former vice president, president pro-tempore of the Senate, or the majority and minority leaders of the Senate and House of Representatives. Also for federal facilities within a state or territory, for the governor.

On the day after the death � Senators, members of Congress, territorial delegates or the resident commissioner of the commonwealth of Puerto Rico

Further, the flag is always flown at half-staff at three locations in the United States. These locations are The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier; Arlington Cemetery; and the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor.

Flag of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_States)

[daca55]

Why must it be either or.... ? EITHER we honor vets OR we honor Whitney Houston.... Let's not judge her - it's not our job...

We can be thankful for the brave men and women who died in the line of duty AND we can be sad for the loss of one of the most beautiful voices of our time...

C'mon lowering the flags for her is a disgrace. She made choices in her life and thats why she is where she is. But to equate her to people who truely gave their all for our country is dead wrong.

[ilovetv]

Do you guys remember how long after the funeral the media kept beating the dead horse of Michael Jackson's death?? It still hasn't stopped, even with the so-called doctor who gave him Propofol being convicted. And why is that? Because people are still making money off all of it.

Remember how Michael Jackson's pitiful, sweet daughter was put up there to speak at the funeral, to keep the raw memories alive thru her?

Well, I'd bet that they will do the same thing with pitiful Bobbi Kristina at this funeral. The money mongers will be using her, too....for decades.

And she has that P.O.S. "father" left as her guide. This girl needs all our prayers. She was already on a path of destruction before the death of her mom.

This is the Hollywood legacy.

Well, the Hollywood reporter from TMZ just said it on On The Record, to Greta VanSusteren. Whitney Houston's estate was broke when she died, but in death it will make more money than ever, like Michael Jackson's. And, Bobbi Kristina stands to inherit the estate solely, since the parents are divorced........and the P.O.S. Bobbie Brown will be fighting to get money from the estate ad infinitum.

None of them care about this girl. Just MONEY.

[jsw14]

My FLAG will Fly High..........

[Floridagal]

I think lowering the flag is not necessary for a great singer. Lowering the flag for a native son killed in war to me sounds much better. Guess more people are interested in entertainers dying from a possible drug overdose then the young men who gave their lives for this wonderful country of ours. I salute the war heroes and feel sorry for the drug addicts and the people who surround them who don't try to help them. They are all afraid to say anything that would help cause they are afraid of losing their jobs. Wake up people it is only going to get worse. The entertainers who are on drugs and booze feel it will never happen to them. Maybe our grandchildren seeing all these deaths with drugs and drinking can kill, so hopefully they will only have to think once about it and never do it. Let's hope it does get through to them.

[skyc6]

At 16, there were pictures on the internet and in the media of bobbi Kristina using cocaine and drinking alcohol. What will she do at 18 with any inheritance she does receive? The whole situation is a train wreck, and has absolutely nothing to do with the flag of our country.

[njbchbum]

this is the 2nd celebrity for whom gov christie has ordered the flag flown at half staff...the first order was for clarence clemons [of bruce springsteen's e street band].

that oughta indicate what the gov's motives are! just sayin'.

[wendyquat]

That just takes the cake! Ugh!:rant-rave:

[Penguin]

I completely do not understand why we are honoring a wonderful singer, who lived and raised a child in an abusive home, was an addict, and died very likely from an overdose. Frankly, she was an incredibly poor role model for her child and all other young people.
Those war casualities are the true heroes!

:bigbow: X2

[RichieLion]

this is the 2nd celebrity for whom gov christie has ordered the flag flown at half staff...the first order was for clarence clemons [of bruce springsteen's e street band].

that oughta indicate what the gov's motives are! just sayin'.

ooooo, you're so suspicious. I think you're probably spot on in your analysis, but still, oooooooooo so suspicious :)

[graciegirl]

NJ Assembly AND Senate will - or maybe already have - passed the same sex marriage bill - which Christie has said doesn't matter because he will veto it.

Flying the flag as half mast for Houston is just another Republican governor pandering for votes.

The real question is, why is anyone surprised?

It isn't political. It is not good judgement.

Neither party has that cornered. (bad judgement)

Beautiful voice and beautiful woman, yes. Drug addict, yes. We cannot help but come to a conclusion about what happened. Not something to honor or emulate.

[paulandjean]

Oh Well, Let the state lower its flag,Its not federal flag. Should not hurt anyone. Few days it will be history.

[getdul981]

Oh Well, Let the state lower its flag,Its not federal flag. Should not hurt anyone. Few days it will be history.

I agree. Lower the state flag, but not the US Flag.

[birdawg]

well said VG

[2BNTV]

Gov. Christie exercised very poor judgement with this decision.

Whitney sang the most rousing rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner ever but that does equal the loss of life for people who have lost their lives defending our country and our way of life.

[paulandjean]

Not sure if this has anything to do with defending our country.It is about her funeral and not military. She had many mental issues,and many problems. Sometimes you have to understand that people have problems. I am not judging.

[Serenoa]

Flags should be lowered for military heroes and political figures that are not disgraceful. I guess that pretty much narrows it down to military heroes.

[njbchbum]

ooooo, you're so suspicious. I think you're probably spot on in your analysis, but still, oooooooooo so suspicious :)

right on! :icon_wink:

[The Great Fumar]

Christie blew it !!!!! Just another Hop Head ..........fly your flags high....:mademyday:

[paulandjean]

Flags are lowered for military funerals and some in goverment office.The act of her state lowerering the flag for her funeral angers many .Not here,few days this will be history.

[Serenoa]

Flags are lowered for military funerals and some in goverment office.The act of her state lowerering the flag for her funeral angers many .Not here,few days this will be history.

paulandjean: I agree with you. I don't understand why this seems to upset so many. Do the complainers really believe that none of the others for whom the flag has been lowered had any personal faults? At the 1991 Super Bowl Whitney Houston sang what most regard as the most stirring rendition of our National Anthem, ever. In my book that alone should earn her this special honor. Does the American flag not belong to ALL American citizens?

[The Village Girl]

The flag should be lowered for EVERYONE! In fact, why don't we just keep it lowered. I mean, it's not like we have a criteria.

I certainly hope they lower it for me when I die. Sure, why not? I sang in that Karaoke bar last week!

[The Village Girl]

NY will not have a parade for the Vets of the Iraq war...................

Lowering the flag does not honor her as much as it dishonors the people who lowering the flag is meant for.

[coralway]

The Governor of NJ said she is a cultural icon.

[Penguin]

NY will not have a parade for the Vets of the Iraq war...................

Lowering the flag does not honor her as much as it dishonors the people who lowering the flag is meant for.

Well said

[blueash]

I am not a fan of Gov. Christie, but he has clearly articulated his criteria for lowering the US Flag (not the state flag) at government buildings. He is not suggesting that individuals do so. His entire statement is found at :
Chris Christie on Whitney Houston flag-lowering controversy | Capitol Quickies (http://blogs.app.com/capitolquickies/2012/02/15/chris-christie-on-whitney-houston-flag-lowering-controversy/)

The highlight would be these sentences (edited for brevity)

"I don’t think anybody can argue with the fact that Whitney Houston made a significant cultural impact on the people of our state and the people of our country. And I believe that she deserves to be honored for that cultural impact and contribution that she made as a daughter of New Jersey. I understand there can be people who disagree with that. And I respect their disagreement. But I just want them to be accurate about it. Some of them have said, ‘You do this for her, you won’t do it for a fallen soldier.’ Well, every fallen soldier who has lost their life during this administration has had that honor. ‘You do it for her, but you won’t do it for a fallen police officer.’ Every fallen police officer in my administration has received that honor. So some people who are being critical are being critical without any knowledge of what the real facts are...I’m not saying that Whitney Houston is a role model. She’s not a role model in that respect, in every aspect of her life. But what she is is a cultural icon in the history of this state."

So for everyone who says "why not fallen soldiers".... He did it for soldiers, and police and firemen, and other musicians. He lowers the flag for the public contribution of the deceased, not the private troubles. He does not ask if the fallen cop was "crack addict" or an alcoholic, or made some poor life choices, they are honored for what they did for New Jersey. And I'm sorry to say that I suspect an element of racial animus in all these angry responses.

[Posh 08]

I am not a fan of Gov. Christie, but he has clearly articulated his criteria for lowering the US Flag (not the state flag) at government buildings. He is not suggesting that individuals do so. His entire statement is found at :
Chris Christie on Whitney Houston flag-lowering controversy | Capitol Quickies (http://blogs.app.com/capitolquickies/2012/02/15/chris-christie-on-whitney-houston-flag-lowering-controversy/)

The highlight would be these sentences (edited for brevity)

"I don�t think anybody can argue with the fact that Whitney Houston made a significant cultural impact on the people of our state and the people of our country. And I believe that she deserves to be honored for that cultural impact and contribution that she made as a daughter of New Jersey. I understand there can be people who disagree with that. And I respect their disagreement. But I just want them to be accurate about it. Some of them have said, �You do this for her, you won�t do it for a fallen soldier.� Well, every fallen soldier who has lost their life during this administration has had that honor. �You do it for her, but you won�t do it for a fallen police officer.� Every fallen police officer in my administration has received that honor. So some people who are being critical are being critical without any knowledge of what the real facts are...I�m not saying that Whitney Houston is a role model. She�s not a role model in that respect, in every aspect of her life. But what she is is a cultural icon in the history of this state."

So for everyone who says "why not fallen soldiers".... He did it for soldiers, and police and firemen, and other musicians. He lowers the flag for the public contribution of the deceased, not the private troubles. He does not ask if the fallen cop was "crack addict" or an alcoholic, or made some poor life choices, they are honored for what they did for New Jersey. And I'm sorry to say that I suspect an element of racial animus in all these angry responses.

What exactly did she do for New Jersey?

[Serenoa]

If nothing else, perhaps she made them proud to call her one of their own. Would that be ok?
Do you fine folks just sit around all day thinking of things to complain about? Why all the negativity? I thought TV was supposed to be a happy place? Lighten up a little, please. Did the State of New Jersey lowering a flag to honor one of its natives really, directly affect you in any way? I don't think so.

[quirky3]

If nothing else, perhaps she made them proud to call her one of their own. Would that be ok?
Do you fine folks just sit around all day thinking of things to complain about? Why all the negativity? I thought TV was supposed to be a happy place? Lighten up a little, please. Did the State of New Jersey lowering a flag to honor one of its natives really, directly affect you in any way? I don't think so.

I agree with Serenoa and BlueAsh. 49 entries and growing - why the animus? It is a striking contrast to other topics about breaking the law and advising people to "lighten up" and mind their own business. Nobody broke the law here. They did something nice for someone.

[Barefoot]

Do you fine folks just sit around all day thinking of things to complain about? Why all the negativity? I thought TV was supposed to be a happy place?

The Villages is a happy place, but that doesn't mean all residents are always happy about everything. :mornincoffee: It's not Stepford country.

[Oren L Miller]

If nothing else, perhaps she made them proud to call her one of their own. Would that be ok?
Do you fine folks just sit around all day thinking of things to complain about? Why all the negativity? I thought TV was supposed to be a happy place? Lighten up a little, please. Did the State of New Jersey lowering a flag to honor one of its natives really, directly affect you in any way? I don't think so.

It just makes me question his ability to make a good decision. His entire legislature passes a bill to legalize gay marriage and he said No. Most people want to honor the young men and women who are dying for our country and he doesn't support the lowering of flags for them or a parade for the soldiers that were able to return. He says Whitney was not a good role model for our young kids but he sill wants to idolize her. I just makes me question the young man's ability to make good decisions and show good logic.

[angiefox10]

The Villages is a happy place, but that doesn't mean all residents are always happy about everything. :mornincoffee: It's not Stepford country.

I agree.

The forums are for discussions. This topic is as good as any. :shrug:

[billethkid]

lowering the flag for her is not just doing something nice!!! It disrespects the original intents that dictate when a flag is flown at half staff.


If Christie wanted to do something nice...lower the state flag. Leave old glory for what she was intended!!!

A role model she is not....waste of a young and fortunate life.

btk

[skyguy79]

What exactly did she do for New Jersey?I wasn't going to post in this thread because IMHO it is a bit too much of an exercise in futility for me. However, your question did grab my attention.

I don't think it specifically does anything for Jersey itself except for emphasizing the pride it's residents should and probably do feel for one of their own who made good and achieved much in her chosen field. However, I think it does a world of good for the people of the City of Newark.

At the end of the 1970's, shortly after the infamous Newark riots, I offered to drive a member of the Drum Corps I belonged to a ride home, as he couldn't afford transportation nor had anyone else to drive him. When we reached the part of Newark where he wanted to be left off, I was loaded with anxiety and couldn't wait to get away. It was the scariest, spookiest place I can remember that I have ever been in. It was like about one or two in the morning and there were row buildings as far as the eye stretched, probably a typical inner city infrastructure. There was not a sole in the streets, quite opposite to what I've experienced at Harlem in the middle of the night, and there wasn't a single light in any of the buildings.

What I'm trying to say here is that Newark was and probably still is a highly depressed area with little or no reason to give their resident's any pride... at least that I've ever heard of. By the lowering of the flag for one of their own, it provided a little bit of pride, if only briefly, for the residents of Newark and just maybe a tiny bit of hope for their future.

So for ever it's worth, that's my answer to your question.

[Posh 08]

I wasn't going to post in this thread because IMHO it is a bit too much of an exercise in futility for me. However, your question did grab my attention.

I don't think it specifically does anything for Jersey itself except for emphasizing the pride it's residents should and probably do feel for one of their own who made good and achieved much in her chosen field. However, I think it does a world of good for the people of the City of Newark.

At the end of the 1970's, shortly after the infamous Newark riots, I offered to drive a member of the Drum Corps I belonged to a ride home, as he couldn't afford transportation nor had anyone else to drive him. When we reached the part of Newark where he wanted to be left off, I was loaded with anxiety and couldn't wait to get away. It was the scariest, spookiest place I can remember that I have ever been in. It was like about one or two in the morning and there were row buildings as far as the eye stretched, probably a typical inner city infrastructure. There was not a sole in the streets, quite opposite to what I've experienced at Harlem in the middle of the night, and there wasn't a single light in any of the buildings.

What I'm trying to say here is that Newark was and probably still is a highly depressed area with little or no reason to give their resident's any pride... at least that I've ever heard of. By the lowering of the flag for one of their own, it provided a little bit of pride, if only briefly, for the residents of Newark and just maybe a tiny bit of hope for their future.

So for ever it's worth, that's my answer to your question.

OK I accept that, but I think the State Flag may have been more appropriate. It looks like our National Flag was used as a political move. That's my opinion. I'm an American and have a right to speak it.

[paulandjean]

Not sure where I have missed this, NY will not honor vets with a parade. When? Where? Why? Who?

[Posh 08]

Not sure where I have missed this, NY will not honor vets with a parade. When? Where? Why? Who?

My take on it was that NYC didn't want to have a parade for returning service personnel from Iraq. One source said not with Afghanistan still going on. Can't find that source. St. Louis did a parade.

[skyguy79]

OK I accept that, but I think the State Flag may have been more appropriate. It looks like our National Flag was used as a political move. That's my opinion. I'm an American and have a right to speak it.I agree with you that the State Flag would have been more appropriate, but I feel that if his actions were political, I don't feel that they're as political as the mass effort to crucify Christie over it. I also have to say... where were the nay-sayers, if this is such a big deal lack of judgment, when Christie ordered flags lowered for the famous saxophonist Clarence Clemons when he died last year? Nary a word was heard about that was there? Sounds to me like the issue is more about a moment of political opportunity to demonize than a laps of judgment in bestowing an honor!

[angiefox10]

I agree with you that the State Flag would have been more appropriate, but I feel that if his actions were political, I don't feel that they're as political as the mass effort to crucify Christie over it. I also have to say... where were the nay-sayers, if this is such a big deal lack of judgment, when Christie ordered flags lowered for the famous saxophonist Clarence Clemons when he died last year? Nary a word was heard about that was there? Sounds to me like the issue is more about a moment of political opportunity to demonize than a laps of judgment in bestowing an honor!

Interesting... I wasn't aware of that and to that... You make a good point!!!!


Huh??? Did I just agree with Skyguy? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Posh 08]

I agree with you that the State Flag would have been more appropriate, but I feel that if his actions were political, I don't feel that they're as political as the mass effort to crucify Christie over it. I also have to say... where were the nay-sayers, if this is such a big deal lack of judgment, when Christie ordered flags lowered for the famous saxophonist Clarence Clemons when he died last year? Nary a word was heard about that was there? Sounds to me like the issue is more about a moment of political opportunity to demonize than a laps of judgment in bestowing an honor!

I had read that Mr. Clemons had passed away. Only after it was said he was with that band did I realize who he was. Didn't see any stories about flags lowered for him. The Governor of NJ wants to lower flags for entertainers, have at it. He and I have different views of who should receive such an honor. He opened the door with Mr. Clemons. Kind of hard to close it for Ms. Houston.

[graciegirl]

I always agree with Skyguy and Angie Fox. Y'all please keep agreeing or I am gonna be in trouble.

I was always so impressed with her wonderful musical ability and absolutely magnicent style in clothing and costuming. I don't recall one outfit that was "over the top" or inappropriate and she never resorted to anything on stage but just wonderful sound and she was always just breathtakingly beautiful!

She came from a fine family who loved her and sang to a nation that appreciated her and now she is one more damn statistic to addiction.

Keep telling your grandchildren that drugs will kill you is the only thing I can take from this as I think about her life that ended way too soon.

[skyguy79]

Interesting... I wasn't aware of that and to that... You make a good point!!!!


Huh??? Did I just agree with Skyguy? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I always knew you were a smart lady, and now I know that there's hope for you too! :coolsmiley::a040:
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[skyguy79]

I had read that Mr. Clemons had passed away. Only after it was said he was with that band did I realize who he was. Didn't see any stories about flags lowered for him. The Governor of NJ wants to lower flags for entertainers, have at it. He and I have different views of who should receive such an honor. He opened the door with Mr. Clemons. Kind of hard to close it for Ms. Houston.New Jersey to honor Springsteen sideman Clarence Clemons - CNN (http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-22/entertainment/new.jersey.clarence.clemons_1_chris-christie-clarence-clemons-springsteen-s-e-street-band?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ)

[Posh 08]

New Jersey to honor Springsteen sideman Clarence Clemons - CNN (http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-22/entertainment/new.jersey.clarence.clemons_1_chris-christie-clarence-clemons-springsteen-s-e-street-band?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ)

Didn't say there were none. Said I didn't see any. Don't need you to point it out for me. The Genie is out of the bottle.

[skyguy79]

Didn't say there were none. Said I didn't see any. Don't need you to point it out for me. The Genie is out of the bottle.I didn't say you did and I think your reactive attack on me was uncalled for! I was simply providing a source for my statement as a result of the comments in your reply that not only you could read if you wanted to, but for anyone else to read if they wanted to check out what I stated. That's all I was doing, period! :ohdear:

[rubicon]

The send off the entertainment and media world bestowed on Whitney Houston and for that matter Michael jackson was expected because it increases ratings and profits. However what it doesn't do is serve our young well.

I am an advocate for protecting the young as if they are a protected species. and so it is importnat that we watch what we teach them

What do you suppose young eyes and ears learned while watching these misplaced and emotional displays. Granted they deserved a fond farewell . As I mentioned in another thread the two times people say nice things about you is when you retire or when you die.

Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston died because of drug abuse and what does our society do make them legendary heroes. So let's guess how many young people will take the same path because after all even if they OD people will make them legendary even if it is for only a moment.

Our society is so upside down