Birthers are back!

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Good Detective Work On Obama. Those of you that think the "birthers" are stupid and irrelevant, explain this one away.

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?Where did the term African-American originate (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_term_African-American_originate)

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, EastAfrica ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(S) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Resources: [URL=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenyahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya (]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya[/URL)(from Wikipedia)

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

"IN GOD WE TRUST"

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I am not a birther and don't think it is a good way to try to get him out of office because he has the media on his side to make anybody who brings it up look stupid.

That being said, If this is right, it is amazing that someone has not brought this up and run with it.

There is something that does not "smell right" with him but he has figured out how to keep it quiet.

Interesting info.

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You diminish your ability to coherently argue against Obama's reelection by trying to convince people of this ridiculous "birther" nonsense. There are legitimate reasons to oppose his reelection and support opposition candidates, but this kind of silliness makes you look out of touch with reality and desperate. snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp)

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You diminish your ability to coherently argue against Obama's reelection by trying to convince people of this ridiculous "birther" nonsense. There are legitimate reasons to oppose his reelection and support opposition candidates, but this kind of silliness makes you look out of touch with reality and desperate. snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp)

I doubt that anything will ever be done about whatever the truth might be. I just thought that these points were very interesting!
I don't appreciate your personal unsolicited judgment of my grasp of reality. I guess I could say the same about alot of folks on this forum, but I am not that condescending and rude. Anyway, we are both fortunate to be living in a land that still sanctions our freedom to voice our opinions!

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I doubt that anything will ever be done about whatever the truth might be. I just thought that these points were very interesting!I don't appreciate your personal unsolicited judgment of my grasp of reality. I guess I could say the same about alot of folks on this forum, but I am not that condescending and rude. Anyway, we are both fortunate to be living in a land that still sanctions our freedom to voice our opinions!

The points aren't "interesting", they are patently false. Bringing them up helps no ones cause.

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Again...you are fortunately entitled to your opinion. Here's another interesting fact-habitual inhalation of sand is not good for your lungs.

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Again...you are fortunately entitled to your opinion. Here's another interesting fact-habitual inhalation of sand is not good for your lungs.

Did you read the link to snopes regarding the allegations you made? It is not my "opinion", it is fact. Don't have any idea what the sand reference is in regards to, but okay.

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Snopes? Who are they? Infallible and above influence? I never cared what Snopes thinks. I have a brain and I have a right to use it...Another benefit of living in a free country.
Snopes.com and FactCheck.org Disseminate False Information « Media « Back to Basics (http://island-adv.com/2010/12/snopes-com-and-factcheck-org-disseminate-false-information/)

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Snopes? Who are they? Infallible and above influence? I never cared what Snopes thinks. I have a brain and I have a right to use it...Another benefit of living in a free country.
Snopes.com and FactCheck.org Disseminate False Information « Media « Back to Basics (http://island-adv.com/2010/12/snopes-com-and-factcheck-org-disseminate-false-information/)

From Wikipedia:

Snopes has received praise from folklorist Dr. Jan Harold Brunvand, author of a number of books on urban legends and modern folklore, who considers the site so comprehensive as to obviate the necessity for launching one of his own.[11]


Snopes receives more complaints of liberal than conservative bias,[26] but insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political urban legends. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in US elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[26][27]

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As a self identified Christian who has been known to refer to The Bible to make a point, has the President mentioned where and when he was Baptized and who performed the ceremony? All of my fellow Christians have stated that in their Churches it is a recorded event and the certificate is often used as a legal document.

Just wondering.:shrug:

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Good Detective Work On Obama. Those of you that think the "birthers" are stupid and irrelevant, explain this one away.

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?Where did the term African-American originate (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_term_African-American_originate)

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, EastAfrica ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(S) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Resources: [URL=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenyahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya (]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya[/URL)(from Wikipedia)

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

"IN GOD WE TRUST"

I surely hope the Repub Party and Pres candidate attempt to make this an issue in the campaign. They will become more of a laughing stock than they already are. :doh:

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From Wikipedia:

Snopes has received praise from folklorist Dr. Jan Harold Brunvand, author of a number of books on urban legends and modern folklore, who considers the site so comprehensive as to obviate the necessity for launching one of his own.[11]


Snopes receives more complaints of liberal than conservative bias,[26] but insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political urban legends. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in US elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[26][27]

Wikipedia? You use Wikipedia to debunk information regarding Snopes, whose information you used to debunk my originally posted information from Wikipedia? :popcorn:

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Wikipedia? You use Wikipedia to debunk information regarding Snopes, whose information you used to debunk my originally posted information from Wikipedia? :popcorn:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts.

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As a self identified Christian who has been known to refer to The Bible to make a point, has the President mentioned where and when he was Baptized and who performed the ceremony? All of my fellow Christians have stated that in their Churches it is a recorded event and the certificate is often used as a legal document.

Just wondering.:shrug:





Check with Donald Trump on that - he has all the answers. He sent his cracker-jack team of "special investigators" out to Hawaii last May and they supposedly collected all the facts. Although, I must admit, it is sort of strange that nobdy ever heard from those "special investigators".

Surely, you recall. It was on - or about - May 1. While Donny and his "investigators" were tracking down the birther issues - and all the cons were holding their collective breath in anticipation, The President was taking out the worlds number 1 terrorist.

Google it - maybe it'll shake your memory.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts.

What does that even mean?

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Katz: I've seen these same 'new' reasons coming out time and time again - and getting debunked over and over again. They're the same tired birther arguments. Again, nobody has called Trump to task on what he said about the "amazing" things his "crack team" was finding out in Hawaii.

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KatzPajamas,
This is what I meant in my post about the media in Obamas pocket.

In this case it is the throngs of Obama worshippers come out of the woodwork to defend him and to name call and put down anybody that would attack their king.

"The King has has no clothes"

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KatzPajamas,
This is what I meant in my post about the media in Obamas pocket.

In this case it is the throngs of Obama worshippers come out of the woodwork to defend him and to name call and put down anybody that would attack their king.

"The King has has no clothes"

Keep hanging your hat on the birther issue and you will assure a second term for Obama. I am not a committed Obama supporter, but I am a supporter of truth. The birther issue is a non-starter and a distraction, which makes it's proponents appear to be nitwits, and causes most people to react in the opposite way the birther proponents would hope.

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What does that even mean?

It is abundantly clear and unambiguous.

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Keep hanging your hat on the birther issue and you will assure a second term for Obama. I am not a committed Obama supporter, but I am a supporter of truth. The birther issue is a non-starter and a distraction, which makes it's proponents appear to be nitwits, and causes most people to react in the opposite way the birther proponents would hope.

I don't know if you read my 1st post but I said I was NOT a birther.

So Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts.

What I said was it was not a good way to get him out of office, but then I guess that fact did not fit your put down.

I am not a nitwit and would not call you one. It is a shame that you have to go personal.

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KatzPajamas,
This is what I meant in my post about the media in Obamas pocket.

In this case it is the throngs of Obama worshippers come out of the woodwork to defend him and to name call and put down anybody that would attack their king.

"The King has no clothes"



:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

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Good Detective Work On Obama. Those of you that think the "birthers" are stupid and irrelevant, explain this one away.

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?Where did the term African-American originate (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_term_African-American_originate)

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, EastAfrica ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(S) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Resources: [URL=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenyahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya (]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya[/URL)(from Wikipedia)

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

"IN GOD WE TRUST"I can't believe that anyone continues to waste their time discussing this.

But as long as there seems to be a "need" to continue to try to figure out some way to get rid of Obama instead of actually winning an election--something that is beginning to appear very unlikely--maybe we should discuss what might happen if he actually was removed from office for not satisfying the legal requirement for holding office. Vice President Biden would be elevated to POTUS. I suppose John Boehner would become Vice President.

Y'know that might not be too bad. Biden is probably more stable and experienced than any of the candidates beating one another up trying to get the GOP nomination to run against Obama in the fall. And if we got Boehner out of the leadership of the House, where he's done a simply awful job, that's not all bad either.

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As usual, VK, a logical observation.

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Katz, you have lost all - and I mean all - credibility on this forum with your ridiculous posting of Obama's birth certificate being false.

You should be ashamed of yourself for being gullible enough to believe any of the bunk that you posted.

No credibility whatsover!


So I guess I'm right up there with you now, eh?! :beer3:

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Forget about his birth certificate. What about the requirement in the United States Constitution that requires our President to be a "natural born citizen" not a "native born citizen." President Obama, in his own book, states that his father was NOT an US citizen. But then again why would that matter, seems that we don't follow or obey the US Constitution in any thing that the Federal Government does anymore.

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Thank you Figmo Bohica. You have pretty much made my point! Some of these points are so blatantly ridiculous, and yet the Emperor is still praised for the magnificent attire that he really isn't wearing.

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You diminish your ability to coherently argue against Obama's reelection by trying to convince people of this ridiculous "birther" nonsense. There are legitimate reasons to oppose his reelection and support opposition candidates, but this kind of silliness makes you look out of touch with reality and desperate. snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp)

I doubt that anything will ever be done about whatever the truth might be. I just thought that these points were very interesting!
I don't appreciate your personal unsolicited judgment of my grasp of reality. I guess I could say the same about alot of folks on this forum, but I am not that condescending and rude. Anyway, we are both fortunate to be living in a land that still sanctions our freedom to voice our opinions!

Katz - I didn't mean it to be a personal attack at you. I said "it makes you LOOK out of touch " It was intended to be a generic reference to anyone that uses the birther argument. You are a passionate and thoughful poster, but the birther argument is beneath you in my opinion.

Keep hanging your hat on the birther issue and you will assure a second term for Obama. I am not a committed Obama supporter, but I am a supporter of truth. The birther issue is a non-starter and a distraction, which makes it's proponents appear to be nitwits, and causes most people to react in the opposite way the birther proponents would hope.

I don't know if you read my 1st post but I said I was NOT a birther.

So

What I said was it was not a good way to get him out of office, but then I guess that fact did not fit your put down.

I am not a nitwit and would not call you one. It is a shame that you have to go personal.

Again, a generic reference to birthers as APPEARING to be nitwits. I did not specifically mean to refer to you as a birther, nor as a nitwit. Sorry you took it that way, as I respect you as a poster.

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Again, a generic reference to birthers as APPEARING to be nitwits. I did not specifically mean to refer to you as a birther, nor as a nitwit. Sorry you took it that way, as I respect you as a poster.

Thank you.

I consider this a "Who shot Kennedy" type thing. It only takes everyone off the real problem, that is if you have a problem with this president.

It is actually what made me cross The Donald off my hopeful list.

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Check with Donald Trump on that - he has all the answers. He sent his cracker-jack team of "special investigators" out to Hawaii last May and they supposedly collected all the facts. Although, I must admit, it is sort of strange that nobdy ever heard from those "special investigators".

Surely, you recall. It was on - or about - May 1. While Donny and his "investigators" were tracking down the birther issues - and all the cons were holding their collective breath in anticipation, The President was taking out the worlds number 1 terrorist.

Google it - maybe it'll shake your memory.

Thanks. I took your advice and since I don't rely on much of what Donald Trump says.
Here's one of several found

Cover Story: Barack Obama's Christian Journey - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/07/11/finding-his-faith.html)

Then I also found this................

Muslim, Christian, or Marxist? (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/muslim-christian-or-marxist/)

Obama's Baptism it reports was unlike Baptism for the majority of Christians. No Ceremony/Sacrament/Water or Certificate.

What did you find when you googled Obama's Baptism?

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I can't believe that anyone continues to waste their time discussing this.

But as long as there seems to be a "need" to continue to try to figure out some way to get rid of Obama instead of actually winning an election--something that is beginning to appear very unlikely--maybe we should discuss what might happen if he actually was removed from office for not satisfying the legal requirement for holding office. Vice President Biden would be elevated to POTUS. I suppose John Boehner would become Vice President.

Y'know that might not be too bad. Biden is probably more stable and experienced than any of the candidates beating one another up trying to get the GOP nomination to run against Obama in the fall. And if we got Boehner out of the leadership of the House, where he's done a simply awful job, that's not all bad either.

So if President Obama were removed from office would that mean that -

100,000 troop would return to Iraq?

Bin Laden would be resurrected from the dead?

Seniors would be paying $600 more per year for their meds?

Insurance companies would be able to deny you coverage for a pre-existing condition?

Insurance companies could drop you when you got sick?

Young people under age 26 could not stay on their parents insurance policies?

General Motors and Chrysler would be out of business and one million people would be out of work in the midwest?

Everyone's taxes would go up?

To be continued

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So if President Obama were removed from office would that mean that -

100,000 troop would return to Iraq?

Bin Laden would be resurrected from the dead?

Seniors would be paying $600 more per year for their meds?

Insurance companies would be able to deny you coverage for a pre-existing condition?

Insurance companies could drop you when you got sick?

Young people under age 26 could not stay on their parents insurance policies?

General Motors and Chrysler would be out of business and one million people would be out of work in the midwest?

Everyone's taxes would go up?

To be continued

janmcn: To a point you and I agree. I happen to believe that Obama was not properly vetted and because of that many people on both sides of this issue will certainly are red faced. In addition everything that Obama has done would be null and void. But the bigger problem is the position it places this great nation in. The lega lchallenges would throw this country into total chaos So the powers to be would rather bury this issue, save those view who have the documentation. History will some day report the truth as it has with other issues involving previous presidents.

There is enough documentation to move this case forward but the DOJ is owned and conrolled by Holder who in my opinion who is no more credible than Obama. Obama has spent millions to prevent this case from going forward. No one spend millions if there is nothing to hide. No one.

Bottom line is weighing the damage to the position of President of the United States vis a vis the truth about Obama and you know what the majority of American would chose. Becasue of the aforementioned i let go of this issue long ago. Focus now should be only on removing this guy from office

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To your point, Rubicon, the focus of the birthers should now be on Romney, Santorum and Rubio. Why was Romney's father born in Mexico? Has anybody seen Santorum's birth certificate? Reportedly, his grandfather immigrated from Italy but at what point did he become a US citizen. And Rubio, on the very short list for VP, why did he change his story about when his parents immigrated to the US from Cuba?

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I think I read that Rubio was born in 1971 and his parents did not become citizens until 1975, making Rubio a "native born citizen" not a "natural born citizen" therefore, he can not be VP or Pres if they follow the letter of the Constitution, but we know how that goes. The same may apply to Romney, that needs to be vetted to see when Romny's father got his US citizenship back and when Mitt was born.

Either we start following the letter of the Constitution or scrap that piece of paper and just go hog wild on everything. We had better make up our minds what we are going to do.

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I think I read that Rubio was born in 1971 and his parents did not become citizens until 1975, making Rubio a "native born citizen" not a "natural born citizen" therefore, he can not be VP or Pres if they follow the letter of the Constitution, but we know how that goes. The same may apply to Romney, that needs to be vetted to see when Romny's father got his US citizenship back and when Mitt was born.

Either we start following the letter of the Constitution or scrap that piece of paper and just go hog wild on everything. We had better make up our minds what we are going to do.
I'm afraid that "We had better make up our minds what we are going to do" has already been established for all of us by the current administration. What Constitution??

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To your point, Rubicon, the focus of the birthers should now be on Romney, Santorum and Rubio. Why was Romney's father born in Mexico? Has anybody seen Santorum's birth certificate? Reportedly, his grandfather immigrated from Italy but at what point did he become a US citizen. And Rubio, on the very short list for VP, why did he change his story about when his parents immigrated to the US from Cuba?


Congratulation!! You are now a birther. :loco:
Now what does your last name start with Mc...something.

Are you a citizen?

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Congratulation!! You are now a birther. :loco:
Now what does your last name start with Mc...something.

Are you a citizen?

My family, on both sides, has been here since before and during the American Revolution and we have documented proof. Glad you asked. Can you say the same? The name you go by is not always the name you were born with.

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I am a native indian, Osage to be exact so my family watched your family row to shore. Welcome to my home. :wave:

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My sister just reminded me that our family has been here since the 1600's, and we have some American Indians in our ancestry, so you and I could be cousins.

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So what time do I show up for Thanksgiving. :mmmm:

We only buy Christmas gifts for close family so don't worry about getting me anything.

Do you know what tribe you may have blood from?

So OUR family watched as others rowed to shore!!

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My family arrived from Italy in 1908, so don't credit my family, or blame my family, for anything that happened before that.

They didn't row.

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I can't believe that anyone continues to waste their time discussing this.

But as long as there seems to be a "need" to continue to try to figure out some way to get rid of Obama instead of actually winning an election--something that is beginning to appear very unlikely--maybe we should discuss what might happen if he actually was removed from office for not satisfying the legal requirement for holding office. Vice President Biden would be elevated to POTUS. I suppose John Boehner would become Vice President.

Y'know that might not be too bad. Biden is probably more stable and experienced than any of the candidates beating one another up trying to get the GOP nomination to run against Obama in the fall. And if we got Boehner out of the leadership of the House, where he's done a simply awful job, that's not all bad either.

When Richard Nixon was forced to resign because of the Watergate scandal and Gerald Ford became president, he appointed New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller his vice-president. The only way the speaker-of-the-house becomes president is if both the president and vice president are incapacitated.

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So if President Obama were removed from office would that mean that -

100,000 troop would return to Iraq?

Bin Laden would be resurrected from the dead?

Seniors would be paying $600 more per year for their meds?

Insurance companies would be able to deny you coverage for a pre-existing condition?

Insurance companies could drop you when you got sick?

Young people under age 26 could not stay on their parents insurance policies?

General Motors and Chrysler would be out of business and one million people would be out of work in the midwest?

Everyone's taxes would go up?

To be continued

The Dow Jones Industrial Average would return to 7949, where it was on Jan 20, 2009, the day President Obama was sworn in, from 13,005, where it closed yesterday Feb 28, 2012.

Gays and lesbians would not be allowed to serve openly in the US armed forces, unlike every other major armed forces in the world.

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I can't believe that anyone continues to waste their time discussing this.

But as long as there seems to be a "need" to continue to try to figure out some way to get rid of Obama instead of actually winning an election--something that is beginning to appear very unlikely--maybe we should discuss what might happen if he actually was removed from office for not satisfying the legal requirement for holding office. Vice President Biden would be elevated to POTUS. I suppose John Boehner would become Vice President.

Y'know that might not be too bad. Biden is probably more stable and experienced than any of the candidates beating one another up trying to get the GOP nomination to run against Obama in the fall. And if we got Boehner out of the leadership of the House, where he's done a simply awful job, that's not all bad either.
You are correct. John Boehner is the worst speaker of the house, at least in my lifetime.

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You are correct. John Boehner is the worst speaker of the house, at least in my lifetime.

Ha.........Nancy Pelosi............Ha...........give me a break.......

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Oh, give ME a break! The absolute worst Speaker of the House was The Newt. I am very happy that the GNopers have decided he is not worthy to even wipe his shoes on the White House doormat.

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Ha.........Nancy Pelosi............Ha...........give me a break.......

Check the number of bills Nancy Pelosi got passed compared to the number passed under John Boehner's leadership. Boehner can't even keep his own caucus in line. Just read on Twitter that David Drier-R CA, another high profile republican congressman announced his retirement today, a day after Senator Olympia Snowe R-ME announced her retirement. And Bob Kerrey will run for Senator Ben Nelson D-NE seat. Two pick-ups and a hold for the democrats in 2012.

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Isn't it sad testimony to the low quality of politicians who are capable of becoming Speaker and third in line for POTUS.

Certainly underscores politics rules NOT quality or capability.

btk

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Check the number of bills Nancy Pelosi got passed compared to the number passed under John Boehner's leadership. Boehner can't even keep his own caucus in line. Just read on Twitter that David Drier-R CA, another high profile republican congressman announced his retirement today, a day after Senator Olympia Snowe R-ME announced her retirement. And Bob Kerrey will run for Senator Ben Nelson D-NE seat. Two pick-ups and a hold for the democrats in 2012.
Good Point. I am glad that Nancy got so many bills passed! We would never know what is in them otherwise!

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Check the number of bills Nancy Pelosi got passed compared to the number passed under John Boehner's leadership.

I hope she would be able to do that since she had all three branches of the government on her side.

But the reality is that quantity is a far cry from quality.

She was in it for her and her husbands gain and all the crazy lefties in San Francisco.

Glad she was replaced and Boehner is just trying to keep his scalp with all the different things he is having to deal with, dem senate and far left white house, tea party. I am not surprised he can't get anything done.
I don't think that passing as many bills as you can has anything to do with determining if someone is good at this job.

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I am glad to see that notlongnow agrees that the Tea Party is a hinderance to government.

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As long as you understand that I think with this bunch of jokers, (That was not the first choice of names to call them), in Washington we need as many things as possible to get in the way of "government".

If you think that it is only the Tea Party then in the way, so sad for you.