AFGHANS: QURAN-BURNING SOLDIERS TO FACE TRIAL Says NATO agreed to bring to justice 't

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What is the United States of America coming to?!?

"In a development that could chill the dedication of every soldier in the field, the U.S. government has refused to deny reports by the government of Afghanistan that NATO has agreed to have the soldiers who burned copies of the Quran face trial."
Afghans: Quran-burning soldiers to face trial (http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/afghans-quran-burning-soldiers-to-face-trial/)

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This is horrible!

Just another notch in the belt of this horrible president!

He is demonstrating how you make a great nation just another european country.

Obama may have killed Osama but he will surely finish the job that Osama started.

This will really make it easy to get our young men and women to defend this country and this sorry excuse for a president!

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Change one letter of Osama and who do you have. If he gets in again I will lose faith in the American people to have any brains at all. Even if it is Romney that gets in it will be better than obama.

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Here we go again. These soldiers are going to be fine. They may get an administrative slap for burning the bibles, but they will not be turned over to a Muslim court. Wake up people and stop the sky is falling mentality. Unflex your fists for a moment and see how silly you look.

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Change one letter of Osama and who do you have. If he gets in again I will lose faith in the American people to have any brains at all. Even if it is Romney that gets in it will be better than obama.

A brain is a terrible thing to waste. Let the wasting begin....Vote Obama in 2012! :smiley:

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A brain is a terrible thing to waste. Let the wasting begin....Vote Obama in 2012! :smiley:

The more I hear from the conservatives on this forum, the closer I get to giving Obama my vote. Don't worry Mitt, I am still with you at this point.

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The more I hear from the conservatives on this forum, the closer I get to giving Obama my vote. Don't worry Mitt, I am still with you at this point.



Why don't you just do it and quit just talking about it. You sound like a dem anyway.

You can say what ever you want, both of you. This is not wasted brains or the sky is falling. It is disgust for what seems to be the long slide down hill that you two seem to be enjoying.
Sure they will be fine, hell what is a little raking over the coals by the country you are putting your life on the line for going to hurt.
I am sure their problems will end once the government gets through with them. NOT!
Lets just bend over both directions to these crazies because that is the kind of people we are it seems.
Not surprised at this response at all.

One of you will always vote for Obama even if he was not running and the other should.

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Okay, Now that I got that off my chest and before I get thrown off the forum by our moderator, no offense was intended.

I am just sick of the US being told by some dirt bowl in the middle of the arm pit of the world that is NEVER going to be happy or our friend, what to do.

We should not be there now or ever.

If they think God is in a book, more power to them. Leave them to their fate.
What ever that may be.

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:wave:Okay, Now that I got that off my chest and before I get thrown off the forum by our moderator, no offense was intended.

I am just sick of the US being told by some dirt bowl in the middle of the arm pit of the world that is NEVER going to be happy or our friend, what to do.

We should not be there now or ever.

If they think God is in a book, more power to them. Leave them to their fate.
What ever that may be.

I agree

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we certainly don't want to upset the Afghanistan government and have them cut off taking our billions of dollars be supplied to them.

An apology was made by the commanders and US representatives in the field.

Obama apologizing was overkill and precedent setting, adding no additional value.

The taking the soldiers to task is just plain old C _ _ _ _ _ N S _ _ T
politics accomplishing nothing nothing but an expectation for us to do something for every fly speck they find in their pepper.

btk

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The more I hear from the conservatives on this forum, the closer I get to giving Obama my vote. Don't worry Mitt, I am still with you at this point.

What a surprise; I'm gasping for air. :loco:

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Here we go again. These soldiers are going to be fine. They may get an administrative slap for burning the bibles, but they will not be turned over to a Muslim court. Wake up people and stop the sky is falling mentality. Unflex your fists for a moment and see how silly you look.

First off, who gave the order to burn the crappy books? The soldiers were only doing as ordered. I am sure that some Private did not take it upon himself to just go about burning books, even if they are full of lies and tell funny stories about stone women for no reason, and all the women are just property of their husbands and honor killings are just fine.

What a bunch of fine folks we are "protecting."

You have been in the military long enough to know that some officer gave the order and now some Private is gonna take it in the shorts.

Like I always say, It don't matter who has all the gold, what matters is who has all the guns, because pretty soon they will have all the gold and all the guns.

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Obama apologises to Karzai over Koran burning - AFGHANISTAN - FRANCE 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20120223-obama-afghanistan-koran-burning-nato-troops-apology-karzai)

You would think that people living in Afghanistan as soldiers would get how religious this country is. That just seems stupid to provoke violence like this by burning what is seen in that region as a Holy Book. There really is not an equivalent in the West to just how religious this society is.

Maybe, if you go back to the various wars of the Protestant Reformation you would get at the mindset of the people involved. Or, maybe the control the Puritans had of some of the English colonies in the 1600s in North America. http://www.usq.edu.au/artsworx/schoolresources/crucible/earlylife

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I am amazed at how people trip over themselves to explain why it is Okay or should be accepted when anybody other than a christian, or in the USA the crazy religious right, does something that aligns with their religion.

Everybody else has a good reason.

Have a belief as strong as a muslim and be a christian, and you are a nut. Be a muslim and do something crazy and you had a good reason.

So using this analogy, should Obama have known that the Catholic church would have a problem with the birth control portion of the Obama care?

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Have a belief as strong as a muslim and be a christian, and you are a nut. Be a muslim and do something crazy and you had a good reason.

So using this analogy, should Obama have known that the Catholic church would have a problem with the birth control portion of the Obama care?

Of course he should and he most positively did.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Another tactic to further divide this nation.

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4- Quran's burned by mistake, we say we are sorry, the President makes an apology. They kill (6) US Soldiers. We do nothing, we bend over more. This is not the country of Ronald Reagan, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed to be an American.

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4- Quran's burned by mistake, we say we are sorry, the President makes an apology. They kill (6) US Soldiers. We do nothing, we bend over more. This is not the country of Ronald Reagan, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed to be an American.

They kill 6 US soldiers and we do nothing? What should the US forces have done? Should they have lined up 60 Afghans at random against the wall and shot them in retribution?

If you are ashamed of being an American, you can always choose to live elsewhere. No one would stop you.

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4- Quran's burned by mistake, we say we are sorry, the President makes an apology. They kill (6) US Soldiers. We do nothing, we bend over more. This is not the country of Ronald Reagan, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed to be an American.

They kill 6 US soldiers and we do nothing? What should the US forces have done? Should they have lined up 60 Afghans at random against the wall and shot them in retribution?

If you are ashamed of being an American, you can always choose to live elsewhere. No one would stop you.

Seriously Buggy; he could choose to live elsewhere. Now being upset at the administration's failure to act against aggression is unpatriotic?

These "holy books" were being used by Afghan insurgents in custody to communicate with each other for nefarious purposes which would put our personnel in grave danger. In violation of their own "holy law" they were writing messages to each other in these "holy books"

The administration is handcuffing these soldiers. American military personnel should have been authorized to immediately respond to the situation with all the force they can muster. The decision to respond to situations on the ground should always be left to the discretion of the unit in harm's way. If this is not possible, then those troops should be retrieved, and not left to twist in the wind.

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Being in the military in combat or a law enforcement officer in this day and age has to be a real challenge for the front line individual.

Our enemies have come to know and understand that all one has to do is push back with a little political, religious or race effort and the powers that be will cave to their demands. The burning of the so called books, you know the sacred books they were transferring information to be able to kill Americans, at worst is nothing more than collateral damage.

The linguine spined politicians and the media are the ally of those who would kill us and then complain when we swing back at them. The current methodology is returning the USA back to being a paper tiger.

Yesterday's news on the subject displayed the brass already lining up to wash their hands in the matter by stating the troops misunderstood the mission. I cannot in my worst day ever thinking for one second that we ever misunderstood our orders from our command. It is BS and political and so current administration's business as usual. Disgusting!!

btk

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[QUOTE=RichieLion;462025]Seriously Buggy; he could choose to live elsewhere. Now being upset at the administration's failure to act against aggression is unpatriotic?

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Once again, Richie, you failed to comprehend what I posted. The part of the message I replied to was "They kill (6) US Soldiers. We do nothing, we bend over more. This is not the country of Ronald Reagan, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed to be an American."

To that, I posted
Originally Posted by buggyone
They kill 6 US soldiers and we do nothing? What should the US forces have done? Should they have lined up 60 Afghans at random against the wall and shot them in retribution? '

If you are ashamed of being an American, you can always choose to live elsewhere. No one would stop you.

This person says he is ashamed to be an American. I merely told him that no one would force him to live here if he chose to live elsewhere. I was not telling him to leave by any stretch of the imagination. I also asked what action the US forces should have taken in his opinion to the enemy killing 6 US soldiers.

To answer you, no it is not unpatriotic to be upset at an administration's failure to act against aggression. It is wrong, in my opinion, to say you are ashamed to be an American - no matter who says it.

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They kill 6 US soldiers and we do nothing? What should the US forces have done? Should they have lined up 60 Afghans at random against the wall and shot them in retribution?

If you are ashamed of being an American, you can always choose to live elsewhere. No one would stop you.

No we should not line up 60 Afghans, maybe we should be long gone from that cesspool. I think the President should be showing more concern for our troops and saying less PC bs and show some leadership. I am choosing to live elsewhere NJ to Florida. If it gets a lot worse there is always Panama or Costa Rica. Thanks for pointing out my options.

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Yes, you are absolutely right. The US should get out of Afghanistan right away. The Afghans do not like the US and never will - even though we have thrown literal tons of money at them. The US mission was accomplished, in my opinion, when bin Laden was killed. Time to leave is NOW.

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Yes, you are absolutely right. The US should get out of Afghanistan right away. The Afghans do not like the US and never will - even though we have thrown literal tons of money at them. The US mission was accomplished, in my opinion, when bin Laden was killed. Time to leave is NOW.

I have to agree with you in part. Get the troops out, quit spending money there and let the CIA deal with what's left to do.

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when Obama agrees to continue to pay Karzai the billions of dollars they do now....but without troops there....they will all agree it is time for the pull out.

Karzai and his followers are all profiteering from the US involvement while speaking against the US actions out of the other side of his political mouth.

An absolute shame we have the lives of our troops on the line there; I vote bring them home.

Follow the money!!!

btk

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when Obama agrees to continue to pay Karzai the billions of dollars they do now....but without troops there....they will all agree it is time for the pull out.

Karzai and his followers are all profiteering from the US involvement while speaking against the US actions out of the other side of his political mouth.

An absolute shame we have the lives of our troops on the line there; I vote bring them home.

Follow the money!!!

btk

Ditto. I strongly agree with this post.

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when Obama agrees to continue to pay Karzai the billions of dollars they do now....but without troops there....they will all agree it is time for the pull out.

Karzai and his followers are all profiteering from the US involvement while speaking against the US actions out of the other side of his political mouth.

An absolute shame we have the lives of our troops on the line there; I vote bring them home.

Follow the money!!!

btk

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

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i am really torn on this issue....while i read very sad posts about the women in Afghanistan praying that we stay and do not leave their fate to the taliban, i also agree that we should not be trying to nation build there...the expert on islam who spoke to us last monday said that the only thing the radicals understand is punishment and strength...when we cause destruction and then come in to repair everything, we are perceived as fools...if we are going to fight them, we must leave the people themselves to rebuild and think twice about going against us again...this sounds harsh to our christian sensibilities but i think one must understand the mentality of their enemy in order to affect change. we should not be giving billions to these countries. perhaps the brave missionaries who try to work in these countries often at risk to their lives, can accomplish more than our govt through human caring. this is one issue that i am very confused about....are you? maybe we could have a program to bring young girls here for education they cannot get there, and when they go back they can be instrumental in bringing their country into the 21st century...years ago when the russians were in that country, i had the occasion to meet a very well educated Afghan refugee and his daughter out in billings, mt of all places...they like all people were seeking a life of sanity and culture, safety and opportunity...they impressed me very much....i remember we had a wonderful conversation all in French, so they were obviously educated in europe. sharing ideas is more powerful than sharing money.

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unfortunately when/if they go back the culture they are trying to do away with will be there as strong as it ever was. We are trying to change the culture/beliefs/traditions (like them or not) of a people who have been doing it that way for thousands of years.

Each and every one of the countries will take what it is that they like from the West...mostly money....smile and act as though they agree with what we are preaching and then return to their version of life and practices as they have known it for thousands of years.

The only successes will come from within...just like women being able to drive a car in some Arabic areas...maybe some of them will, yes the ones that will show up in the media...those of the Arabic rich and famous. The every day people on the streets will not change as quickly.

The only clout we have is the money and we have to borrow it to give to a people who in many cases have more than we do.

Politics = business as usual = makes no sense for we the people (of any country).

btk

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If we could keep an Underground Railroad out of Afghanistan and get our troops out of there, that would be the best of both worlds.

Afghanistan is a sinking ship. In maritime tradition we should rescue the women and children and let the Neanderthals die in parched sands.

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i am really torn on this issue....while i read very sad posts about the women in Afghanistan praying that we stay and do not leave their fate to the taliban, i also agree that we should not be trying to nation build there...the expert on islam who spoke to us last monday said that the only thing the radicals understand is punishment and strength...when we cause destruction and then come in to repair everything, we are perceived as fools...if we are going to fight them, we must leave the people themselves to rebuild and think twice about going against us again...this sounds harsh to our christian sensibilities but i think one must understand the mentality of their enemy in order to affect change. we should not be giving billions to these countries. perhaps the brave missionaries who try to work in these countries often at risk to their lives, can accomplish more than our govt through human caring. this is one issue that i am very confused about....are you? maybe we could have a program to bring young girls here for education they cannot get there, and when they go back they can be instrumental in bringing their country into the 21st century...years ago when the russians were in that country, i had the occasion to meet a very well educated Afghan refugee and his daughter out in billings, mt of all places...they like all people were seeking a life of sanity and culture, safety and opportunity...they impressed me very much....i remember we had a wonderful conversation all in French, so they were obviously educated in europe. sharing ideas is more powerful than sharing money.

Chachacha, Visit any public university in this country. They are full of foreign students! They should already be taking back the education to help their homelands!

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the problem is that university students often do not go back to their home countries...can you blame them? we should have programs that follow through with returning them to their countries.