Five step plan for a winning campaign

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"Since you are seeking the most important position and since you have so many potential enemies you can't afford to make any mistakes. You must conduct a flawless campaign with the greatest thoughtfulness, industry and care. You must:"

1. "Promi1se everything to everyone. Tell them what they want to hear. In promising anything tell them that unless of some clear obligation preventing it, but only live up to those obligation that benefit you."

2. "Call in all favors. If you have helped friends or associates tell them its payback time. Make it clear to each one who is obligated to you exactly what you expect of them. If someone is not in your debt remind them that you can reward them later, but only if he backs you now."

3. "Know your opponents weaknesses and exploit them. A winning candidate calmly assesses his opponent and then focuses relentlessly on his weaknesses all the while trying to distract voters from his strengths."

4. "Flatter voters shamlessly. A candidate must make voters believe that he thinks their important. Shake their hands and look them in the eye, listen to their problems."

5 . "Give people hope. Even the most cynical voter want to believe in someone. The most important part of your campaign is to bring hope to people and a feeling of goodwill toward you Voters who believe that you can make their world better will be your most devoted followers....."

What expert offered this solid advice?

Quintus younger brother of Marcus Tullius Cicero who was running for roman consul 64B.B.C. Marcus won with more votes than any other candidate, went on to save the republic from a conspiracy and was eventually given the title of "father of his country". Unfortunately he ran afoul of Mark Anthony and was murdered in 43 B.C.

Professor Philip Freeman "How To Win An Election: An Ancient Guide To Modern Politicians.



[B]Keep these five steps in mind everytime you hear a politician speak and especially remember promise them anything but only do what benefits you.

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And don't nominate bad candadites.

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And don't nominate idiot racists like Santorum.

TV2: The original post in this thread is party neutral and intended to demonstrate just how far back politicians have been making promises to and flattering voters. The advice contained herein is more important than any one candidate and as all voters we must recognize when someone has kissed the blarney stone or politicians will continue with the insincere hyperbole...Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Personal Best Regards:

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TV2: The original post in this thread is party neutral and intended to demonstrate just how far back politicians have been making promises to and flattering voters. The advice contained herein is more important than any one candidate and as all voters we must recognize when someone has kissed the blarney stone or politicians will continue with the insincere hyperbole...Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Personal Best Regards:

Right you are, I am such a jerk. Comments like that make me worse than the person I have problems with. I will go back and clean it up for the next viewer.

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Hope your opponent is named Palin.

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...or Sanitarium; or Moonbeam McNewt.

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I am happy that some agree with me on Palin and Sanitorium

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I'm so happy the liberals are still stuck in the brainless ridicule mode. Leave the serious discussion for the people who can.

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I'm so happy the liberals are still stuck in the brainless ridicule mode. Leave the serious discussion for the people who can.

Ya just cant say palin and be serious. She is cute, but stupid.

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Ya just cant say palin and be serious. She is cute, but stupid.

I think that's supercilious. Sarah Palin will always be someone to emulate in my view, no matter the liberal bias and ridicule of someone better that they.

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I think that's supercilious. Sarah Palin will always be someone to emulate in my view, no matter the liberal bias and ridicule of someone better that they.

It really gets old. Unable to discuss issues, the ridicule just goes on. To me, it simply shows a serious lack of ability to talk about issues, a lack of knowledge on issues, or just bad genes. NOBODY is natively as cruel and ill informed and able to simply talk in hurtful and really vicious about human beings who have accomplished more than the poster can even imagine. My first thought is jealousy, and then I realize that these folks don't even know enough to know what they might be jealous of. Thus, it is just total mean spirited and inormation starved folks.

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Always with the negative. Can you find at least one beer that is half full.

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It really gets old. Unable to discuss issues, the ridicule just goes on. To me, it simply shows a serious lack of ability to talk about issues, a lack of knowledge on issues, or just bad genes. NOBODY is natively as cruel and ill informed and able to simply talk in hurtful and really vicious about human beings who have accomplished more than the poster can even imagine. My first thought is jealousy, and then I realize that these folks don't even know enough to know what they might be jealous of. Thus, it is just total mean spirited and inormation starved folks.

Bucco speaks only the truth.

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It really gets old. Unable to discuss issues, the ridicule just goes on. To me, it simply shows a serious lack of ability to talk about issues, a lack of knowledge on issues, or just bad genes. NOBODY is natively as cruel and ill informed and able to simply talk in hurtful and really vicious about human beings who have accomplished more than the poster can even imagine. My first thought is jealousy, and then I realize that these folks don't even know enough to know what they might be jealous of. Thus, it is just total mean spirited and inormation starved folks.

Bucco/Richielion: The truth is that many folks are catching on to this sort of nonsense perhaps because they finally recognized how much is at stake. Peggy Noonan wrote an article concerning this nastiness and made mention that liberal men apparently believing they were on the right side could mercilessly denigrate women. She gave a number of examples but I am not as fearless as she in citing them. Kathyrn Lopez in today's Sunday 3/18 Daily Sun did likewise. IMHO, thank God we have more Americans who will always take the high road and can appreciate the importance of fair play. The Bill Maher's of the world eventually disappear . Consider what type of person would make sport of Sarah Palin's child by referring to the child as a retard. It reeks of hate and Bill Maher, Jo Behar and Rosie O'Donnell are at the top of that list when it comes to Palin haters.

By the way the liberals may have made a freudian slip when filming Game Changer. As you recall at the end of the movie the crowd ignored McCain and chanted Sarah Sarah........Interesting that the liberals/enemies flooded her with lawsuits and bad press following the campaign. Do you suppose they feared she was just getting started and so they were so concerned that the overkill in ridicule, et al which continues today? I do. The liberals fear her and so they will never cease their endless and vile attacks. That is my opinion but other will have to decide.

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Ah, the well-meaning but sadly mistaken Republicans who are blinded by their Sarah Palin adoration. The woman was totally unprepared and too ignorant to be on the national political scene. She did not know world history, did not know the Queen of England was not the political head, could not answer what newspapers she read on a daily basis, and thought she knew foreign policy because Russia was in close land proximity to Alaska. She lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Her debates were centered on changing the subject when she was clueless on an issue. Sarah is a great actress and great speaker but what she will be remembered for - and what will ever prevent her for holding office again - SHE QUIT HER ELECTED POSITION AS GOVERNOR.

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Ah, the well-meaning but sadly mistaken Republicans who are blinded by their Sarah Palin adoration. The woman was totally unprepared and too ignorant to be on the national political scene. She did not know world history, did not know the Queen of England was not the political head, could not answer what newspapers she read on a daily basis, and thought she knew foreign policy because Russia was in close land proximity to Alaska. She lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Her debates were centered on changing the subject when she was clueless on an issue. Sarah is a great actress and great speaker but what she will be remembered for - and what will ever prevent her for holding office again - SHE QUIT HER ELECTED POSITION AS GOVERNOR.

I never expect more than liberal attack talking points from you, and again I'm not disappointed. The misinformation machine rolls on. Be careful driving that thing, it's gotten ponderous.

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What did I say that was misinformation?

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Do you realize that liberals feel EXACTLY the same way about the negative insulting conservatives. So while you imagine falsely that you are right, they feel the same way and most of the time someone is wrong. I personally find negativity on both sides, but more so on the conservative side of the house. I watch msnbc and see negative comments about conservatives, but no where on earth will you find more nasty negativity than on FOX. Just try to open your closed little minds and recognize you are also wrong. I have watched the SIX PAC belittle liberals on this site for years, but one word from them about Sarah and its all so terrible. Seriously!!!!!! grow up and open your minds.

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Do you realize that liberals feel EXACTLY the same way about the negative insulting conservatives. So while you imagine falsely that you are right, they feel the same way and most of the time someone is wrong. I personally find negativity on both sides, but more so on the conservative side of the house. I watch msnbc and see negative comments about conservatives, but no where on earth will you find more nasty negativity than on FOX. Just try to open your closed little minds and recognize you are also wrong. I have watched the SIX PAC belittle liberals on this site for years, but one word from them about Sarah and its all so terrible. Seriously!!!!!! grow up and open your minds.

I consider myself to be an equal opportunity "insulter". I will call out anyone like you who will NOT...REFUSE to discuss any issue whatsoever, and simply spend your time on here demeaning and insulting other human beings. That deserves to be insulted.

Interesting that this thread about how politicians have not changed over the years and has spun into a HATE thread on S. Palin, who is NOT a candidate for anything, holds NO office, yet YOU said about her...."She is cute, but stupid" I am very sure that she is jealous of you and wishes she had your brains and your success.

You can say whatever pleases yourself but the fact is that you and others just HATE.....never DISCUSS. As I said, I assume that is your lack of knowledge or perhaps you are just plain mean spirited..it certainly is not indicative of a mature person or one who wants to discuss and learn.

And I welcome you to cut and paste any post I made that RIDICULED a politician that I opposed on here....you will not find it and your accusation which was extremely general was way way out of line. If you aske me to find posts by you that ridicule...THAT would be easy.

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Bucco,

I put down some facts about Sarah Palin that are true. I know she is not running for office now but lots of conservatives look to her as the icon of the Republican party. Which of the facts that I mentioned do you take as untrue?

"The woman was totally unprepared and too ignorant to be on the national political scene. She did not know world history, did not know the Queen of England was not the political head, could not answer what newspapers she read on a daily basis, and thought she knew foreign policy because Russia was in close land proximity to Alaska. She lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Her debates were centered on changing the subject when she was clueless on an issue. Sarah is a great actress and great speaker but what she will be remembered for - and what will ever prevent her for holding office again - SHE QUIT HER ELECTED POSITION AS GOVERNOR."

This is a time I am asking you to discuss your viewpoints.

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I consider myself to be an equal opportunity "insulter". I will call out anyone like you who will NOT...REFUSE to discuss any issue whatsoever, and simply spend your time on here demeaning and insulting other human beings. That deserves to be insulted.

Interesting that this thread about how politicians have not changed over the years and has spun into a HATE thread on S. Palin, who is NOT a candidate for anything, holds NO office, yet YOU said about her...."She is cute, but stupid" I am very sure that she is jealous of you and wishes she had your brains and your success.

You can say whatever pleases yourself but the fact is that you and others just HATE.....never DISCUSS. As I said, I assume that is your lack of knowledge or perhaps you are just plain mean spirited..it certainly is not indicative of a mature person or one who wants to discuss and learn.

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And I welcome you to cut and paste any post I made that RIDICULED a politician that I opposed on here....you will not find it and your accusation which was extremely general was way way out of line. If you aske me to find posts by you that ridicule...THAT would be easy.

I was not talking to you silly

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I wonder if any of you think the millions of people that feel Sarah is disgusting when she involves herself in adult subjects are all just jealous. Be serious. I am sure she is a nice lady, but has no business acting like a knowledgeable adult when it comes to important political decisions.

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I wonder if any of you think the millions of people that feel Sarah is disgusting when she involves herself in adult subjects are all just jealous. Be serious. I am sure she is a nice lady, but has no business acting like a knowledgeable adult when it comes to important political decisions.

Please cite where folks have said, without looking for political gain, that Palin is "DISGUSTING" !

And you know what...I am not a supporter of hers and never have been, but what are the resumes of those who mock her and say she "has no business acting like a knowledgeable adult when it comes to important political decisions." Have they served as a Governor.....been in the public eye on a national scale ? Sometimes people are just plain jealous

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What did I say that was misinformation?

Pretty much your entire post was misinformation and propaganda propagated by the liberal media machine, except that she actually did resign as governor. Even that is out of context as far as the laws in Alaska and the muck raking liberal activists who took advantage of these liberal "ethics" laws where anybody can file anything for any reason. You only cite the part of the story which fits your biased narrative, and to me that's as bad as a lie.

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Bucco: How would you characterize a political candidate who held the following views?

- Didn't know why North and South Korea were separate countries.
- Thought that the head of the U.K. government was the Queen and not the prime Minister.
- Could not name a single newspaper or magazine she'd read after railing about their criticism of her.
- Didn't know the basics behind Paul Revere's ride - and when informed that he only spoke to the British at gunpoint after being captured, doubled-down insisting that her version was the truth.
- Didn't know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were private corporations.
- Said her state (Alaska) produced 20% of US energy when, in fact, it produces 3.5%
- Quoted Westbrook Pegler in her speech at the GOP convention. Pegler was an avowed racist and anti-Semite who wrote of his hopes of RFK being assasinated. Kind of like her own Bill Ayers.
- Thought that Iraq planned and executed 9/11.

I try very hard not to descend into nastiness when discussing Palin, but I certainly understand the frustrations of others. And, to be honest, I don't think it would have been so much of an issue if it weren't for all the questions surrounding McCain's health.

Remember, McCain's medical records were treated the way Obama's college records are. A few journalists were allowed to see the 3-inch-thick folders for something like 15 minutes. They weren't allowed to have any recording devices and had to give all the materials back at the end of the session. Right, wrong or indifferent, it certainly gave the impression that they were trying to cover something up.

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Bucco: How would you characterize a political candidate who held the following views?

- Didn't know why North and South Korea were separate countries.
- Thought that the head of the U.K. government was the Queen and not the prime Minister.
- Could not name a single newspaper or magazine she'd read after railing about their criticism of her.
- Didn't know the basics behind Paul Revere's ride - and when informed that he only spoke to the British at gunpoint after being captured, doubled-down insisting that her version was the truth.
- Didn't know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were private corporations.
- Said her state (Alaska) produced 20% of US energy when, in fact, it produces 3.5%
- Quoted Westbrook Pegler in her speech at the GOP convention. Pegler was an avowed racist and anti-Semite who wrote of his hopes of RFK being assasinated. Kind of like her own Bill Ayers.
- Thought that Iraq planned and executed 9/11.

I could post links that refute much of what you wrote above, especially your misrepresentation (again) on Paul Revere's ride in which she is right and you are stubbornly wrong, but in the interest of just bashing people lamely for reasons unknown, I'm just going to links Obama gaffes which, like your post intends, should now render him incapable of serious consideration as anything higher than a Jew....uh, uh, uh......a janitor.

Second Amendment Freedom- Firearms Rights: The Top 20 Obama Gaffes The Press Would Like You To Forget (http://secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-20-obama-gaffes-press-would-like.html)

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Come on folks. It is well known why she was chosen to run and ultimately why she failed. She is the one that still acts as if she would have been good in government. Lets be honest. She is not competent enough to be on a political leaders staff, much less a political leader. You make yourself look less than awake to defend her abilities. Defend her as a nice lady who may very well care about this country, but don't try to act as if she could help run it. GGGGEEEEEZZZZZZZ She is the one that causes the insults to continue to rain down just by shoving her face in front of the camera. She may make some conservatives drool, but she makes intelligent Americans laugh.

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Bucco: How would you characterize a political candidate who held the following views?

- Didn't know why North and South Korea were separate countries.
- Thought that the head of the U.K. government was the Queen and not the prime Minister.
- Could not name a single newspaper or magazine she'd read after railing about their criticism of her.
- Didn't know the basics behind Paul Revere's ride - and when informed that he only spoke to the British at gunpoint after being captured, doubled-down insisting that her version was the truth.
- Didn't know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were private corporations.
- Said her state (Alaska) produced 20% of US energy when, in fact, it produces 3.5%
- Quoted Westbrook Pegler in her speech at the GOP convention. Pegler was an avowed racist and anti-Semite who wrote of his hopes of RFK being assasinated. Kind of like her own Bill Ayers.
- Thought that Iraq planned and executed 9/11.

I try very hard not to descend into nastiness when discussing Palin, but I certainly understand the frustrations of others. And, to be honest, I don't think it would have been so much of an issue if it weren't for all the questions surrounding McCain's health.

Remember, McCain's medical records were treated the way Obama's college records are. A few journalists were allowed to see the 3-inch-thick folders for something like 15 minutes. They weren't allowed to have any recording devices and had to give all the materials back at the end of the session. Right, wrong or indifferent, it certainly gave the impression that they were trying to cover something up.

I will reiterate much..no, all...of what RICHIE has posted and add.

I grew up in Pennsylvania and was very very involved in Democratic politics about the time Joe Biden began his career. He was known as a buffoon to be frank with you. In his recent history, without doing any investigation, he has made more gaffes than Palin and many others on both side of the aisle combined, yet the utter nastiness and sheer hate that is aimed at Palin goes beyond making gaffes.

I did not support her being on the ticket...but alluding to your difficulty in not being nasty is telling. I can find no reason to ever be NASTY as you say to anyone in politics unless there is a very viable reason....and in Palin's case she can say all the stupid things in the world, and not get close to deserving the hate and viciousness aimed at her. The media NEVER attacked someone like they did her.

But if you need other folks who CONSISTENTLY say dumb things....I am betting she knows how many states we have !!!

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Come on folks. It is well known why she was chosen to run and ultimately why she failed. She is the one that still acts as if she would have been good in government. Lets be honest. She is not competent enough to be on a political leaders staff, much less a political leader. You make yourself look less than awake to defend her abilities. Defend her as a nice lady who may very well care about this country, but don't try to act as if she could help run it. GGGGEEEEEZZZZZZZ She is the one that causes the insults to continue to rain down just by shoving her face in front of the camera. She may make some conservatives drool, but she makes intelligent Americans laugh.

yep,,,that Joe Biden, or Maxine Waters....they make us al proud. Give me a break.

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yep,,,that Joe Biden, or Maxine Waters....they make us al proud. Give me a break.

Them two may make you proud, but not me. Maxine is a cancer on our country and Joe is just comical.

But that don't make Sarah any closer to being worth hearing speak

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Them two may make you proud, but not me. Maxine is a cancer on our country and Joe is just comical.

But that don't make Sarah any closer to being worth hearing speak

I don't read much criticism BY YOU or anyone about either one.....but you slam her personally and without any hesitation at every chance.

Wonder why

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I don't read much criticism BY YOU or anyone about either one.....but you slam her personally and without any hesitation at every chance.

Wonder why

All I can say is when I hear her speak, It gives me an instant headache. Can you not at least agree that she is living in the past with no solutions for current problems. I openly say I could be wrong about her, but I sincerely think she is a selfish parasite on the rest of the world.

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Pretty much your entire post was misinformation and propaganda propagated by the liberal media machine, except that she actually did resign as governor. Even that is out of context as far as the laws in Alaska and the muck raking liberal activists who took advantage of these liberal "ethics" laws where anybody can file anything for any reason. You only cite the part of the story which fits your biased narrative, and to me that's as bad as a lie.


She did not know world history, did not know the Queen of England was not the political head, could not answer what newspapers she read on a daily basis, and thought she knew foreign policy because Russia was in close land proximity to Alaska. She lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Her debates were centered on changing the subject when she was clueless on an issue. Sarah is a great actress and great speaker but what she will be remembered for - and what will ever prevent her for holding office again - SHE QUIT HER ELECTED POSITION AS GOVERNOR.

All of this was documented. It is not made up. Millions of people saw her freeze up with Katie Couric and heard the infamous newspaper remark and the Russia being close to Alaska remark. She had been FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and then AGAINST it while saying she had never been for it.

I did not even bring up her wrongdoing with "Troopergate" because the trooper seemed to be a real moron and deserved firing.

Idolize her all you want, drink your Kool-Aid, make her the icon of your Party, but the woman was totally out of her element when in politics at the national level.

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All I can say is when I hear her speak, It gives me an instant headache. Can you not at least agree that she is living in the past with no solutions for current problems. I openly say I could be wrong about her, but I sincerely think she is a selfish parasite on the rest of the world.

Yep...you dont have a serious mean streak in you !! WOW "a selfish parasite on the rest of the world."

You obviously have some huge hate issues that need work. Since you dont EVER contribute anything to this forum except for that HATE....as soon as my stumbling computer skills allow me to find a way to "ignore" you will be paced there. There is sufficient hate in this world without have to read your tripe !

You are just being nice here...you probably save your worst for children killers and the like.

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She did not know world history, did not know the Queen of England was not the political head, could not answer what newspapers she read on a daily basis, and thought she knew foreign policy because Russia was in close land proximity to Alaska. She lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Her debates were centered on changing the subject when she was clueless on an issue. Sarah is a great actress and great speaker but what she will be remembered for - and what will ever prevent her for holding office again - SHE QUIT HER ELECTED POSITION AS GOVERNOR.

All of this was documented. It is not made up. Millions of people saw her freeze up with Katie Couric and heard the infamous newspaper remark and the Russia being close to Alaska remark. She had been FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and then AGAINST it while saying she had never been for it.

I did not even bring up her wrongdoing with "Troopergate" because the trooper seemed to be a real moron and deserved firing.

Idolize her all you want, drink your Kool-Aid, make her the icon of your Party, but the woman was totally out of her element when in politics at the national level.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make anything you're saying true. The kool-aid has been consumed by you and not me. You can hate Palin all you want and I know why you do.

She is an All American women with a dynamic personality, and speaking as a conservative every-woman, she clicked with the people. That's why whenever she spoke in public she drew 10 times more people than were expected, and it scared the bejesus out of the liberal political machine to which you are totally devoted and the contract was put out that she had to be destroyed.

So you liberals got all your media soldiers together to ambush her with questions who's answers could be manipulated and spun negatively, and the rat troops of hundreds of investigators were sent to Alaska in a desperate attempt the destroy this woman, her family and anybody who spoke up for her.

You want to tell the history of this story? I know the history of this story, and the liberal media machine, the Democrat Party and it's sycophants come off looking almighty sleazy.

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I will reiterate much..no, all...of what RICHIE has posted and add.

I grew up in Pennsylvania and was very very involved in Democratic politics about the time Joe Biden began his career. He was known as a buffoon to be frank with you. In his recent history, without doing any investigation, he has made more gaffes than Palin and many others on both side of the aisle combined, yet the utter nastiness and sheer hate that is aimed at Palin goes beyond making gaffes.

I did not support her being on the ticket...but alluding to your difficulty in not being nasty is telling. I can find no reason to ever be NASTY as you say to anyone in politics unless there is a very viable reason....and in Palin's case she can say all the stupid things in the world, and not get close to deserving the hate and viciousness aimed at her. The media NEVER attacked someone like they did her.

But if you need other folks who CONSISTENTLY say dumb things....I am betting she knows how many states we have !!!

Bucco: The information you share above is pretty much what folks recall when Biden attended Syracuse University

Having said that there are inumerable politicians that have been categorized in the same manner as Palin and Biden. Its never been in my nature to ridicule anyone

It is sad and counter-productive to launch personal attacks. Isn't it more constructive to discuss the merits or disadvantages of policy? Apparently not so for many, The intent of the original post was to stimulate dialogue on how we could counter the bravado and demand detail and factual information from our leaders. Many members are right when pulling the plug on this forum. I don't want to waste my time with people so shorted sighted that they can't see beyond the next adjective when attacking a person Well back to the drawing board perhaps there is another approach in getting around personal attacks. I am such an optimist when it comes to people.

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Just because you keep saying it doesn't make anything you're saying true. The kool-aid has been consumed by you and not me. You can hate Palin all you want and I know why you do.

She is an All American women with a dynamic personality, and speaking as a conservative every-woman, she clicked with the people. That's why whenever she spoke in public she drew 10 times more people than were expected, and it scared the bejesus out of the liberal political machine to which you are totally devoted and the contract was put out that she had to be destroyed.

So you liberals got all your media soldiers together to ambush her with questions who's answers could be manipulated and spun negatively, and the rat troops of hundreds of investigators were sent to Alaska in a desperate attempt the destroy this woman, her family and anybody who spoke up for her.

You want to tell the history of this story? I know the history of this story, and the liberal media machine, the Democrat Party and it's sycophants come off looking almighty sleazy.

Yeah, tough questions like "What newspapers do you read on a regular basis?"

Wow, your adoration of Sarah is amazing. Well, no matter what I say, you will come back with it is the sleazy liberal machine that would do anything to destroy her. You know my viewpoints - as pointed out in front of millions of viewers - but I am not going to say anymore on the subject in order to not to offend a good drinking buddy. You know that I do not want to carry things to a personal level.

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She did not know world history, did not know the Queen of England was not the political head, could not answer what newspapers she read on a daily basis, and thought she knew foreign policy because Russia was in close land proximity to Alaska. She lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Her debates were centered on changing the subject when she was clueless on an issue. Sarah is a great actress and great speaker but what she will be remembered for - and what will ever prevent her for holding office again - SHE QUIT HER ELECTED POSITION AS GOVERNOR.

All of this was documented. It is not made up. Millions of people saw her freeze up with Katie Couric and heard the infamous newspaper remark and the Russia being close to Alaska remark. She had been FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and then AGAINST it while saying she had never been for it.

I did not even bring up her wrongdoing with "Troopergate" because the trooper seemed to be a real moron and deserved firing.

Idolize her all you want, drink your Kool-Aid, make her the icon of your Party, but the woman was totally out of her element when in politics at the national level.

OBAMA while in HAWAII referred to it as ASIA during a press conference Nov, 2011

OBAMA once said the USA built the International Railroad in Sept, 2011

OBAMA in trying to make a case for government run healthcare said.."UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems."

And of course OBAMA forgot how many states we have.

These were all errors.....only included them to point out the total shallowness of your attack.

You use words like ICON, IDOLIZE and not sure where you get all this...it seems it has to be some kind of mental image that you got somewhere.

Personally, I was not happy with her selection as VP candidate...glad she is staying out of the current race...but having said that, she has as much right to be involved in her party as anyone. What you see on this forum and this is a FACT....people are just sick and tired of the tired old crap being flung at this woman when you totally ignore so much things of a SERIOUS nature.

I have been silent on this issue for a long time but am tired of you guys with the personal issues that require you to have somebody to HATE and abuse just looking for anything that has her name. Her family, kids...all of them have been dragged through the mud and frankly she brings to the table a lot of virtues that many elected officials could use.

While I have no reason to support her, I am a bit sick of tired of the hate stuff on this person.

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"Since you are seeking the most important position and since you have so many potential enemies you can't afford to make any mistakes. You must conduct a flawless campaign with the greatest thoughtfulness, industry and care. You must:"

1. "Promi1se everything to everyone. Tell them what they want to hear. In promising anything tell them that unless of some clear obligation preventing it, but only live up to those obligation that benefit you."

2. "Call in all favors. If you have helped friends or associates tell them its payback time. Make it clear to each one who is obligated to you exactly what you expect of them. If someone is not in your debt remind them that you can reward them later, but only if he backs you now."

3. "Know your opponents weaknesses and exploit them. A winning candidate calmly assesses his opponent and then focuses relentlessly on his weaknesses all the while trying to distract voters from his strengths."

4. "Flatter voters shamlessly. A candidate must make voters believe that he thinks their important. Shake their hands and look them in the eye, listen to their problems."

5 . "Give people hope. Even the most cynical voter want to believe in someone. The most important part of your campaign is to bring hope to people and a feeling of goodwill toward you Voters who believe that you can make their world better will be your most devoted followers....."

What expert offered this solid advice?

Quintus younger brother of Marcus Tullius Cicero who was running for roman consul 64B.B.C. Marcus won with more votes than any other candidate, went on to save the republic from a conspiracy and was eventually given the title of "father of his country". Unfortunately he ran afoul of Mark Anthony and was murdered in 43 B.C.

Professor Philip Freeman "How To Win An Election: An Ancient Guide To Modern Politicians.



[B]Keep these five steps in mind everytime you hear a politician speak and especially remember promise them anything but only do what benefits you.

Thanks for this post, rubicon. I have read a lot of Roman history and there seem to be many parallels between US history and that of the late Roman Republic.

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Yep...you dont have a serious mean streak in you !! WOW "a selfish parasite on the rest of the world."

You obviously have some huge hate issues that need work. Since you dont EVER contribute anything to this forum except for that HATE....as soon as my stumbling computer skills allow me to find a way to "ignore" you will be paced there. There is sufficient hate in this world without have to read your tripe !

You are just being nice here...you probably save your worst for children killers and the like.


She takes everything she can get her dirty little hands on and gives nothing in return. She is a parasite on this Country and the World. And yes, I am a real nice gentle caring person. Thank you very much. You can go to Admin, and they will get a team of folks together to show you the complicated system of blocking someone. LOL

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She takes everything she can get her dirty little hands on and gives nothing in return. She is a parasite on this Country and the World. And yes, I am a real nice gentle caring person. Thank you very much. You can go to Admin, and they will get a team of folks together to show you the complicated system of blocking someone. LOL

Will do...and nobody who uses the language you do about people you do not even know is even close to being a "real nice gentle caring person"..that is impossible when you talk about other human beings with such a vile tongue.

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Will do...and nobody who uses the language you do about people you do not even know is even close to being a "real nice gentle caring person"..that is impossible when you talk about other human beings with such a vile tongue.

I am so sorry, it may be my redneck childhood or my 22 years in the military, but whatever, I do not see that I use vile language. I do use some strong words to get my point across and maybe that is why you think I am harsh. I don't mean to be over the top. Swearing and barroom speech is a big part of my life. I actually clean it up for this forum. You should hear me in person. I think you should consider not responding to my posts if you feel that I am so vile. I find you vile for attacking me personally. I do not do that to members of this board, only to public figures that are stupid idiots.

I think Romney is a warm and wonderful politician that will enhance the living conditions of the kind and thoughtful American citizens. I will pray for him to have a safe and successful campaign and win the race for the WH. I hope he and his family have the best of health and joy every day. Peace and Love to everyone. How is that? Not to rough for your sensitivity I hope.

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Richie - here's the exact quote from Palin:


He who warned uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.


He (Revere?) warned the British by "ringing those bells"? And he's riding his horse? Ummm - he never made it very far... The only time he said anything about the arms in Lexington were when shots were heard warning of the advancing Regulars.

Revere never fired any warning shots. He never 'rang bells'. One of Revere's co-prisoners made a comment about bells while detained. They (the Regulars and the prisoners) *heard* a shot about a half mile from Lexington whereupon Revere DID say that it was a signal to alarm the country.

This is the problem I have with many Palin supporters. If she said the sky were green they'd agree - that somehow you're never supposed to admit you're wrong. And *that* is what makes one a caricature.

Believe me - we LIVE this history here and re-enact the Battles of Lexington and Concord almost within paper airplane distance of where I work EVERY YEAR - *WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS STUFF*

I have no trouble admitting when 'my guy' is wrong whether it's politics, sports or if it's myself on any other subject. It's called being human - because nobody is perfect.

Refusing to admit when someone makes a mistake is a hallmark of insecurity.

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Richie - here's the exact quote from Palin:



He (Revere?) warned the British by "ringing those bells"? And he's riding his horse? Ummm - he never made it very far... The only time he said anything about the arms in Lexington were when shots were heard warning of the advancing Regulars.

Revere never fired any warning shots. He never 'rang bells'. One of Revere's co-prisoners made a comment about bells while detained. They (the Regulars and the prisoners) *heard* a shot about a half mile from Lexington whereupon Revere DID say that it was a signal to alarm the country.

This is the problem I have with many Palin supporters. If she said the sky were green they'd agree - that somehow you're never supposed to admit you're wrong. And *that* is what makes one a caricature.

Believe me - we LIVE this history here and re-enact the Battles of Lexington and Concord almost within paper airplane distance of where I work EVERY YEAR - *WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS STUFF*

I have no trouble admitting when 'my guy' is wrong whether it's politics, sports or if it's myself on any other subject. It's called being human - because nobody is perfect.

Refusing to admit when someone makes a mistake is a hallmark of insecurity.

I assume that you have read the other gaffes by the President of the United States relative to the number of states, etc...the gaffes by the Vice President of the United States, and you respond to this about Paul Revere >

Who cares ?

Coverage of this woman was of the lowest I can recall in my life and as you know in todays world THEY..THE MEDIA shape the opinion.....and here we are.

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Yeah, tough questions like "What newspapers do you read on a regular basis?"

Wow, your adoration of Sarah is amazing. Well, no matter what I say, you will come back with it is the sleazy liberal machine that would do anything to destroy her. You know my viewpoints - as pointed out in front of millions of viewers - but I am not going to say anymore on the subject in order to not to offend a good drinking buddy. You know that I do not want to carry things to a personal level.

It was a stupid question, and the answer didn't reflect on her except in the mind of people who were predisposed to hate her.

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Richie - here's the exact quote from Palin:



He (Revere?) warned the British by "ringing those bells"? And he's riding his horse? Ummm - he never made it very far... The only time he said anything about the arms in Lexington were when shots were heard warning of the advancing Regulars.

Revere never fired any warning shots. He never 'rang bells'. One of Revere's co-prisoners made a comment about bells while detained. They (the Regulars and the prisoners) *heard* a shot about a half mile from Lexington whereupon Revere DID say that it was a signal to alarm the country.

This is the problem I have with many Palin supporters. If she said the sky were green they'd agree - that somehow you're never supposed to admit you're wrong. And *that* is what makes one a caricature.

Believe me - we LIVE this history here and re-enact the Battles of Lexington and Concord almost within paper airplane distance of where I work EVERY YEAR - *WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS STUFF*

I have no trouble admitting when 'my guy' is wrong whether it's politics, sports or if it's myself on any other subject. It's called being human - because nobody is perfect.

Refusing to admit when someone makes a mistake is a hallmark of insecurity.


Palin was right, and you were wrong. The Paul Revere Heritage Project backs up the inherent truth of Gov. Palin's telling of the story.

Do we really have to go over this all again. I proved you wrong months ago on this subject.

"This is the problem I have with Palin" haters. They want Palin to be perfect in her telling of a story or she's an idiot. This despite the fact that she knew more about the true nature of the Revere ride than probably 95% of all Americans you could have asked.

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It was a stupid question, and the answer didn't reflect on her except in the mind of people who were predisposed to hate her.

Oh, come on, Richie - even Bush answered that question without batting an eyelid - and he wasn't known for being a great handler of interviews (believe me, I remember all the Bush Gaffes websites). It was a *softball* by any measure.

And you demonstrate my *exact* problem with Palin supporters. Yeah, I read the text from the Paul Revere Heritage site. Only the most twisted, upside-down interpretation of the letters from Revere could be interpreted that way.

He was going out to warn the COLONISTS. When the soldiers captured him, he *did* - AT GUNPOINT - telling them that the militia was gathering. There were no ringing of bells and it was NEVER his intent to warn the SOLIDERS. I have to tell you - I would have given anything to hear what her reaction would have been in that store to a quesiton like "What about Prescott and Dawes?".

She took an innocent question about her impressions of Boston and tried to re-frame it into a political speech - just like she did on her reality show trying to equate the behavior of bears to certain voters.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Palin hater. I think it took a lot of guts and skill to do what she did in Alaska in taking on the oil companies. This woman is NOT without skills. She's a FANTASTIC actor, if you believe the people who worked the campaign with her. She was overloaded with a blizzard of information that she had almost NO time to digest. It doesn't mean she's a bad person - just that she was not YET qualified for the #2 job in the country.

My *personal* opinion is that she got caught up in the new political methodology of "never admit when you're wrong" and "spin, spin, spin". And let's not forget that some people CAN have success go to their heads. I mean - you saw the crowds out there ADORING her, yes? You have to be a certain kind of person for that to NOT have an effect on you.

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You're entitled to you opinion DJ, but still, that's all it is. I still see that Gov. Palin's telling of the story of Paul Revere is still closer to the truth of the story that the fairy tale we've been told hour whole lives and which the vast majority of Americans take as literal.

Sarah Palin is a far more intelligent human being, in my opinion, that our chief gaffer Joe Biden, and she had more executive experience than either Obama or Biden. That's just a fact, Jack.

The spin is from the left when it comes to Gov. Palin, fueled by the most hate filled liberal media campaign in the history of our country, with hundreds of liberal rat troops all with one mission which was to destroy this one lone conservative women who was garnering praise and enormous crowds of admirers wherever she went.

I'll never accept the revisionist history of the story of Gov. Palin and I won't even give your soft condemnation, laden with a couple of kudos a pass which is written with the intention of dismissing this true American with true American values and true American interests at heart, unlike our current occupier of the White House.

AND, she's still right about Paul Revere, and you're still wrong:

Sarah Palin right about Paul Revere - International Business Times (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/158104/20110606/sarah-palin-right-about-paul-revere-boston-historian-letter.htm)

Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account - BostonHerald.com (http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_0606you_betcha_she_was_right_experts_back_pal ins_historical_account)

Sarah Palin Was Right About Paul Revere - Peter Roff (usnews.com) (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/06/06/sarah-palin-was-right-about-paul-revere)

Historians Say Palin Was Right About Paul Revere - But they admit it begrudgingly, notes the 'Boston Herald' (http://www.newser.com/story/120316/historians-say-sarah-palin-was-right-about-paul-revere.html)

Experts: Palin Is Right About Paul Revere - Sarah Palin - Fox Nation (http://nation.foxnews.com/sarah-palin/2011/06/06/experts-palin-right-about-paul-revere)

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The 'myth' that most people have is that Revere's ride was important. Because of his early capture, he never made it far enough to warn most of the people he was supposed to. He DID meet up with others before being captured. Dawes was captured but escaped and Prescott also fared better.

What's also not commonly know is that there were an estimated 40 'runners' out there spreading the word.

I quoted Palin directly. She made it seem like Revere's attempt was to warn the Brits when it was nothing of the sort. Yes, technically, at gunpoint, he DID say that the militia were gathering - BUT THE SOLDIERS ALREADY KNEW THAT. And I notice that the 'defenders' of Palin ignore the whole 'bell ringin' part which, to me, demonstrates that she really DIDN'T know as much of the story as she thought she knew.

But the other part I notice is that you harped on my mention of the Revere gaffe. You picked that one out to INSIST she was right. This is like if you told me the sky was green and I said it was blue and you INSISTED you were right - and later found out that, yes, under certain conditions there IS an atmospheric phenomenon that DOES make the sun appear green for a split second at sunset IF you're on a beach or in the middle of the ocean.

No comment on her not knowing anything about the Korean peninsula?

And, yeah, she IS now a 'true' American. Quitting her job to do publicity. Heck she did the reality show which seems to be the career goal of a lot of Americans now.

And, yes, she did have more "executive branch experience" - but like I've said, she was the governor of the easiest state to govern - a welfare state with a surplus from oil revenues. She was mayor of Wasilla and THAT job was found to be more "show up on Tuesday and collect your paycheck" than anything else (a near direct quote from the current Mayor of Wasilla) since even the police and fire were handled by the state.

She absolutely WAS a rising star - and still has a boatload of popularity. But she IS a polarizing figure. Quitting the way she did isn't going to help her on the national stage. But, I'll be the first to admit, I don't know what her goals are.

It *should* be easy to defeat Obama. What boggles my mind are the incredibly low quality of candidates the GOP is putting out.

We could REALLY use another Reagan - but the Reagan of 1980 would be called a left-wing wishy-washy liberal by the GOP of 2012 which still invokes his name in reverency.

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It is absolutely hysterical to hears the Cons say that the Dems fear Palin. It's hard to tell if they really believe this or (and this is more likely) they heard Hannity say the same thing.

In our dreams - the R convention becomes deadlocked - and the delegates turn to ........... The Wasilla Quitta !!!!! This is her fantasy as well.

I would pay - I would pay money, I tell you to see The Quitta debate Obama.

Maybe Katie Couric could interview her?

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The 'myth' that most people have is that Revere's ride was important. Because of his early capture, he never made it far enough to warn most of the people he was supposed to. He DID meet up with others before being captured. Dawes was captured but escaped and Prescott also fared better.

What's also not commonly know is that there were an estimated 40 'runners' out there spreading the word.

I quoted Palin directly. She made it seem like Revere's attempt was to warn the Brits when it was nothing of the sort. Yes, technically, at gunpoint, he DID say that the militia were gathering - BUT THE SOLDIERS ALREADY KNEW THAT. And I notice that the 'defenders' of Palin ignore the whole 'bell ringin' part which, to me, demonstrates that she really DIDN'T know as much of the story as she thought she knew.

But the other part I notice is that you harped on my mention of the Revere gaffe. You picked that one out to INSIST she was right. This is like if you told me the sky was green and I said it was blue and you INSISTED you were right - and later found out that, yes, under certain conditions there IS an atmospheric phenomenon that DOES make the sun appear green for a split second at sunset IF you're on a beach or in the middle of the ocean.

No comment on her not knowing anything about the Korean peninsula?

And, yeah, she IS now a 'true' American. Quitting her job to do publicity. Heck she did the reality show which seems to be the career goal of a lot of Americans now.

And, yes, she did have more "executive branch experience" - but like I've said, she was the governor of the easiest state to govern - a welfare state with a surplus from oil revenues. She was mayor of Wasilla and THAT job was found to be more "show up on Tuesday and collect your paycheck" than anything else (a near direct quote from the current Mayor of Wasilla) since even the police and fire were handled by the state.

She absolutely WAS a rising star - and still has a boatload of popularity. But she IS a polarizing figure. Quitting the way she did isn't going to help her on the national stage. But, I'll be the first to admit, I don't know what her goals are.

It *should* be easy to defeat Obama. What boggles my mind are the incredibly low quality of candidates the GOP is putting out.

We could REALLY use another Reagan - but the Reagan of 1980 would be called a left-wing wishy-washy liberal by the GOP of 2012 which still invokes his name in reverency.

OK, I'm glad you finally are giving up on the Revere thing (as if you had a choice, intellectually) but now you just descended into the morass of the dedicated Palin haters, and as I have no stomach for foolish haters of those better than they..........on this subject I am done with your sophistry.

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It is absolutely hysterical to hears the Cons say that the Dems fear Palin. It's hard to tell if they really believe this or (and this is more likely) they heard Hannity say the same thing.

In our dreams - the R convention becomes deadlocked - and the delegates turn to ........... The Wasilla Quitta !!!!! This is her fantasy as well.

I would pay - I would pay money, I tell you to see The Quitta debate Obama.

Maybe Katie Couric could interview her?

I would love to see that too. Obama without his prompter going "uh, uhhh, uuhhh". Obama wouldn't have the cajones to debate Palin.

I think it's hysterical that you libs think Obama is brilliant. That's a great joke.

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I would love to see that too. Obama without his prompter going "uh, uhhh, uuhhh". Obama wouldn't have the cajones to debate Palin.

I think it's hysterical that you libs think Obama is brilliant. That's a great joke.

OMG :22yikes:

Palin vs Obama.

I am a big Romney Fan, but lets be real, Obama would destroy palin if they gave only her the questions a year in advance. You have to be kidding if you are serious.

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OMG :22yikes:

Palin vs Obama.

I am a big Romney Fan, but lets be real, Obama would destroy palin if they gave only her the questions a year in advance. You have to be kidding if you are serious.

I am perfectly serious. Obama could not seriously debate Palin in a non-partisan debate. She would take him apart by the seams the same way she did Joe Biden in '08.

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What did I say that was misinformation?

Tina Fey made the statement avbout Russia on one of the Saturday Night Live Shows. That is the mis-information.

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No, Figmo, when Katie Couric asked Palin about her knowledge of foreign relations, she stated that Russia was in very close proximity to Alaska and Russian planes flew over Alaska. It was on SNL that Tina Fey spoofed Palin by saying she could see Russia from her backyard.

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She (Palin) also said you can see Russia from Alaskan soil - which is true. On the Diomede Islands in the Bering Strait, you CAN see Russian island from the American island.

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Wow !!!!!!!!!!! I wonder what our North Korean allies would think of that ....

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I would say that Sarah Palin is dumb as a box of lint - but I do not want to insult a box of lint.

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I would say that Sarah Palin is dumb as a box of lint - but I do not want to insult a box of lint.

Oh, you're so witty. I hope you understand if I don't automatically take anything you say on TOTV from this point on seriously.

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Any uber-conservative with a fixation on the intelligence of Sarah Palin has got to be right (FAR RIGHT)!!

But, Sarah Palin definitely is a good advertisement that any American can attend and graduate from a junior college (after several tries).