California...Our "Third World" State

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"How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder. "

Two Californias - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1)

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And what exactly is your solution to the problem? Not only the solution but exactly how you would propose your solution be carried out?

Does your favorite Republican candidate have a solution and, if so, exactly how would he have the solution carried out?

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The article was excellent describing the conditions of California. We made a decision to leave California and move to The Villages because of the high taxs, excessive laws, illegal population and knew that the conditions would spiral into further chaos.

Our California friends could not believe we would leave California. Some of our friends had two jobs, lived paycheck to paycheck. Retirement was not in their vocabulary.

Leaving California was our best decision, even though I miss my kid and grandkids terribly.
We will return to California to visit, but we will not be part of the insanity any longer.

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"How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder. "

Two Californias - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1)

Excellent article KATZ....thanks for sharing the link.

I have an intense fear that the tension being built in this country on race, class warfare, illegal immigration, etc. is going to boil over someday and that will be scary and sad.

Someday our "leaders" may stop talking about and vying for votes from and actually discuss and try to ease these tensions.

I realize the article you linked when a lot further than that but that was I could not get out of my mind.

Thanks for sharing

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I've often related my opinions on California.

I spent some time (1966-1970) growing up in San Francisco. It's the place with the most fond memories for me. If I had a magic wand, I'd probably want to live back in the Bay Area. However, as I tell people when the subject comes up, there's no way that I could afford to live there. It's one of the few places more expensive than the greater Boston area. I would have had to grow up in San Francisco to be able to afford to live there. Now? There's just too much sticker shock.

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While all are focusing on the cost of living, and I can understand that, I think the state represents a lot of fears on the cultural front as I mentioned in my first post on this thread.

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"How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder. "

Two Californias - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1)

Interesting article though it seems to only talk about a few counties in rural CA with a brief mention of some of the shoppers in a more urban area. I am not even sure where these shoppers were though.

I lived near Stanford University from 1984-1986 and then in the wine country of Northern CA from late 1991 through 1996. Often got into San Francisco once a month or so.

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Lots of conservative yelping out there but no solutions are offered. Well, that is par for their ilk.

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Lots of conservative yelping out there but no solutions are offered. Well, that is par for their ilk.

Conservative yelping??

I guess California is you're Nirvana?

Why are you in conservative TV then?

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California?

Thought the writer was describing Houston. Everything he mentioned you can find in Houston. Amarillo isn't much better.

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California?

Thought the writer was describing Houston. Everything he mentioned you can find in Houston. Amarillo isn't much better.

I am very sure that is true !!! Does not change what I noted and how I feel....it is the USA, and none of the locations are foreign countries

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Come on, folks. We know that there is a problem. Let's hear some of your conservative ideas that are practical and actual ways of implementing your ideas for solutions. It is not enough to state a problem - have a way that will work for solving the problems.

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some day folks will actually read links and understand what thread are ACTUALLY about !! But then again, comic relief is nice also

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It is simple to say "read the link". I did read the link and would like to know what some of your group (conservative minded voters) would specifically propose as a workable solution.

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It is simple to say "read the link". I did read the link and would like to know what some of your group (conservative minded voters) would specifically propose as a workable solution.

I assume you aimed that at me...if not I am sorry.....but I honestly am not sure why I should come up with any solution......a poster suppled a link...folks have commented on it...YOU appear to be the only one...oh no there may have been another to want to make this a NON USA thread but a PARTY thread....I am not interested. To me it spoke to cultural problems, immigration, language etc from observation from one mans travels...the person who began the thread thought it would be interesting reading and it was.

Sorry I am not interested in the bait to make it what you want..perhaps others will resond...good luck

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The solution is the same solution the Cons have for EVERY problem under the sun ....


cut taxes .....

cut the size of government (but only the federal government and only when a Dem is in the White House) .....

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The solution is the same solution the Cons have for EVERY problem under the sun ....


cut taxes .....

cut the size of government (but only the federal government and only when a Dem is in the White House) .....

Nonsense; any conservative is for the downsizing of government no matter which party is in power. A great deal of that size is due to all these taxes to fund this ever increasing bureaucracy we also want to cut.

There are plenty of cuts I'd make, and more than a few government agencies I would dissolve from existence, and maybe erase from history if I could.

You paint the Republican establishment as "cons", as you like to call them in some sort of pejorative tone, and there is your mistake and why you don't have a handle on what going on. The establishment that is the mainstream Republican Party is not conservative, but only give conservatism lip service.

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I am so glad having an R or D after ones name is not required to live life in the real day to day world among the real people who for the most part believe and want the same things in life.

Too bad most of them do not vote....it would/could make a difference.

btk

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Isn't it amazing that none of the Republicans here have offered any solutions to a supposed problem? Just a lot of yelping.

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Isn't it amazing that none of the liberals on the forum have offered any solutions to help the hurting state of California and it's people? Those liberal folk who claim full of compassion for their fellow man and more than willing to help...

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Isn't it amazing that none of the Republicans here have offered any solutions to a supposed problem? Just a lot of yelping.

I can offer up a solution. The solution is for California voters to send every Democrat in office packing. That's the most positive thing they can do.

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Yelp, yelp, yelp go the Republicans once more. Come on, use that thing mounted on your shoulders and try and come up with sensible solutions or stop the yelping.

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Come on Libs, surely you have the best ideas that are best for everyone! You know, the kind of great ideas that will astound everyone and cause them to prosper, get the most for the least effort on their own part! I can hardly wait!

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Yelp, yelp, yelp go the Republicans once more. Come on, use that thing mounted on your shoulders and try and come up with sensible solutions or stop the yelping.

My answer is brilliant, I must say. California is in an economic dumper and it is the most liberal state in the union. Coincidence??; I think not.

Throwing all the liberal Democrat bums out of office would be the single most productive thing the people of California could do to change the course of their declining state.

This is the most sensible thing Californians could do. There's no yelping here, just hoisting you on your own petard.

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I thought that Conan the Bavarian was a Republican governor? All of this did not occur after Conan was voted out of office - and after he was schtupping the maid. Gee whiz, another Republican in a sex scandal! How unusual!

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I thought that Conan the Bavarian was a Republican governor? All of this did not occur after Conan was voted out of office - and after he was schtupping the maid. Gee whiz, another Republican in a sex scandal! How unusual!

Arnold a Republican?.......ha!!; just like Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chafee, Arlen Spector, Mike Castle............oh yeah, and Mitt Romney.

Your crack me up Buggy.