"How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder. "

Two Californias - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online

And what exactly is your solution to the problem? Not only the solution but exactly how you would propose your solution be carried out?

Does your favorite Republican candidate have a solution and, if so, exactly how would he have the solution carried out?

The article was excellent describing the conditions of California. We made a decision to leave California and move to The Villages because of the high taxs, excessive laws, illegal population and knew that the conditions would spiral into further chaos.

Our California friends could not believe we would leave California. Some of our friends had two jobs, lived paycheck to paycheck. Retirement was not in their vocabulary.

Leaving California was our best decision, even though I miss my kid and grandkids terribly.
We will return to California to visit, but we will not be part of the insanity any longer.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

"How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder. "

Two Californias - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online

Excellent article KATZ....thanks for sharing the link.

I have an intense fear that the tension being built in this country on race, class warfare, illegal immigration, etc. is going to boil over someday and that will be scary and sad.

Someday our "leaders" may stop talking about and vying for votes from and actually discuss and try to ease these tensions.

I realize the article you linked when a lot further than that but that was I could not get out of my mind.

Thanks for sharing

I've often related my opinions on California.

I spent some time (1966-1970) growing up in San Francisco. It's the place with the most fond memories for me. If I had a magic wand, I'd probably want to live back in the Bay Area. However, as I tell people when the subject comes up, there's no way that I could afford to live there. It's one of the few places more expensive than the greater Boston area. I would have had to grow up in San Francisco to be able to afford to live there. Now? There's just too much sticker shock.

While all are focusing on the cost of living, and I can understand that, I think the state represents a lot of fears on the cultural front as I mentioned in my first post on this thread.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

"How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder. "

Two Californias - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online

Interesting article though it seems to only talk about a few counties in rural CA with a brief mention of some of the shoppers in a more urban area. I am not even sure where these shoppers were though.

I lived near Stanford University from 1984-1986 and then in the wine country of Northern CA from late 1991 through 1996. Often got into San Francisco once a month or so.

Lots of conservative yelping out there but no solutions are offered. Well, that is par for their ilk.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Lots of conservative yelping out there but no solutions are offered. Well, that is par for their ilk.

Conservative yelping??

I guess California is you're Nirvana?

Why are you in conservative TV then?

California?

Thought the writer was describing Houston. Everything he mentioned you can find in Houston. Amarillo isn't much better.

Originally Posted by coralway

California?

Thought the writer was describing Houston. Everything he mentioned you can find in Houston. Amarillo isn't much better.

I am very sure that is true !!! Does not change what I noted and how I feel....it is the USA, and none of the locations are foreign countries

Come on, folks. We know that there is a problem. Let's hear some of your conservative ideas that are practical and actual ways of implementing your ideas for solutions. It is not enough to state a problem - have a way that will work for solving the problems.

some day folks will actually read links and understand what thread are ACTUALLY about !! But then again, comic relief is nice also

It is simple to say "read the link". I did read the link and would like to know what some of your group (conservative minded voters) would specifically propose as a workable solution.

Originally Posted by buggyone

It is simple to say "read the link". I did read the link and would like to know what some of your group (conservative minded voters) would specifically propose as a workable solution.

I assume you aimed that at me...if not I am sorry.....but I honestly am not sure why I should come up with any solution......a poster suppled a link...folks have commented on it...YOU appear to be the only one...oh no there may have been another to want to make this a NON USA thread but a PARTY thread....I am not interested. To me it spoke to cultural problems, immigration, language etc from observation from one mans travels...the person who began the thread thought it would be interesting reading and it was.

Sorry I am not interested in the bait to make it what you want..perhaps others will resond...good luck