Gun sales explode

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as election looms.

Sales of handguns and ammunition are booming across the country, and retailers say it’s all about the November election.

Gun shop owners around the nation told FoxNews.com that sales, brisk ever since President Obama was elected, have spiked upward in recent months. And manufacturers are having so much trouble keeping up with the demand that one, Sturm, Ruger & Co., can’t keep up with demand. The Southport, Conn.-based company has had to suspend new orders after taking orders for more than 1 million guns in the first three months of the year. Smith & Wesson sales are way up, as well.
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Caroline Brewer, a spokeswoman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the rising sales are deceptive. She told ABC in December that gun ownership is not actually rising, but existing gun owners are stockpiling them.

“There’s been a whole lot of hysteria raised by the NRA about the need to stockpile guns because (President) Obama’s going to take your guns away,” Brewer said. “It may mean more gun owners are buying more guns.”

Link to the complete story: Gun Sales Explode As Election Looms | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/gun-sales-off-to-bang-for-election-year/)

On a side note since I do competitive shooting and reload most of my own, even the components are starting to become hard to find and the prices are increasing.

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as election looms.



Link to the complete story: Gun Sales Explode As Election Looms | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/gun-sales-off-to-bang-for-election-year/)

On a side note since I do competitive shooting and reload most of my own, even the components are starting to become hard to find and the prices are increasing.

you can thank the republican party's negative spin on Obama and gun control for causing the hysteria.

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Yesh, just what we need. More gun owners with the easiest to obtain CCW permits you can imagine.

Guns don't kill people - just the nuts handling the guns!

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you can thank the republican party's negative spin on Obama and gun control for causing the hysteria.

"They are fuzzy about some issues but the Republican presidential candidates leave little doubt about where they stand on gun rights.

Rick Perry and Rick Santorum go pheasant hunting and give interviews before heading out. Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain speak to the National Rifle Association convention. Michele Bachmann tells People magazine she wants to teach her daughters how to shoot because women need to be able to protect themselves. Mitt Romney, after backing some gun control measures in Massachusetts, now presents himself as a strong Second Amendment supporter."

"President Barack Obama, on the other hand, is virtually silent on the issue.

He has hardly addressed it since a couple of months after the January assassination attempt on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz., when he promised to develop new steps on gun safety in response. He still has failed to do so, even as Tucson survivors came to Capitol Hill last week to push for action to close loopholes in the gun background check system."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/25/obama-gun-control-democrats_n_1112979.html

Is this the policy to which you allude ???????

And of course we wait for other shoes to drop on the Mexico thing !!!!!!

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"Rick Perry and Rick Santorum go pheasant hunting and give interviews before heading out. Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain speak to the National Rifle Association convention. Michele Bachmann tells People magazine she wants to teach her daughters how to shoot because women need to be able to protect themselves. Mitt Romney, after backing some gun control measures in Massachusetts, now presents himself as a strong Second Amendment supporter."


And we see how well these "candidates" have done so far and basically what kind of people they are. Rick Perry belonged to a hunting lodge which had a racial slur painted on the entrance gate; Newt and Cain both are philanderers; and Michelle Bachmann preaches against government assistance while taking in farm subsidies hand over fist. Mitt flip-flops but is the best of the group.

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"Rick Perry and Rick Santorum go pheasant hunting and give interviews before heading out. Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain speak to the National Rifle Association convention. Michele Bachmann tells People magazine she wants to teach her daughters how to shoot because women need to be able to protect themselves. Mitt Romney, after backing some gun control measures in Massachusetts, now presents himself as a strong Second Amendment supporter."


And we see how well these "candidates" have done so far and basically what kind of people they are. Rick Perry belonged to a hunting lodge which had a racial slur painted on the entrance gate; Newt and Cain both are philanderers; and Michelle Bachmann preaches against government assistance while taking in farm subsidies hand over fist. Mitt flip-flops but is the best of the group.


I am sorry...this has what to do with gun sales or gun policy ? You missed a turn, you are looking "politics of ridicule" and that may have moved....good luck

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GUNS IN THE HANDS OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS IS NOT THE PROBLEM. iT HAS NEVER BEEN THE PROBLEM.

The criminal element will always have access to guns no matter how stringent the laws.

Those of you who are ambivelent about gun ownership by law abiding citizens need to be very concerned about controlling access to guns by law abiding citizens.

Let's hope you never find out what happens when there are no law abiding gun owners!!!!

There will be no law ever put into effect that will have my guns and ammo out of my possession. NONE!!!!

btk

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Mine was in reply to Post #4. You can tell by the quotation in the beginning of my post. Your thoughtfulness in looking out for my welfare is always appreciated. Best wishes.

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GUNS IN THE HANDS OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS IS NOT THE PROBLEM. iT HAS NEVER BEEN THE PROBLEM.

The criminal element will always have access to guns no matter how stringent the laws.

Those of you who are ambivelent about gun ownership by law abiding citizens need to be very concerned about controlling access to guns by law abiding citizens.

Let's hope you never find out what happens when there are no law abiding gun owners!!!!

There will be no law ever put into effect that will have my guns and ammo out of my possession. NONE!!!!

btk


Lets look at the current issue in Sanford...a law abiding whack job armed with a gun, concealed weapons permit and the Stand Your Ground law

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MURDER

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Lets look at the current issue in Sanford...a law abiding whack job armed with a gun, concealed weapons permit and the Stand Your Ground law

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MURDER

Wow, that's a stretch.

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Depends on how murder is defined in the state's lawbooks.

In NH, there's Murder 1, meaning you planned to murder. Murder 2 means you had intent arising from immediate circumstance. Then you get into the 'manslaughter' defintions for things like crimes of passion (coming home, seeing your spouse in bed with someone else and going on a rampage) going down to accidents that shouldn't have happened (like vehicular manslaughter).

Everything I've heard from people with legal backgrounds seem to indicate that this is going to be some degree of a manslaughter case.

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Wow, that's a stretch.

Did Zimmerman have a gun? YES
Did Zimmerman have a CWP? YES
Did Zimmerman follow Martin? YES
Did the 911 operator tell Zimmerman not to follow Martin? YES
Did Zimmerman shoot the gun? YES

Did Martin have a gun? NO

Is Martin dead? YES

No stretching here.

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and what about the other 99% that make up the law abiding, gun carrying majority???? There are nut cases in any and every group one can think of that exists on the planet. The one nut case does not a trend (not even close) make.

A true statistical reference is the more armed the citizenry the safer results....for the linksters, google it yourself there are too many to cite.


Please try to remember it is not the guns that are the problem. Guns are responsible for murder like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!!

btk

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"Guns are responsible for murder like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!!"

Last time I checked, misspelled words are not flesh and blood. Very callous reply by you.

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and what about the other 99% that make up the law abiding, gun carrying majority???? There are nut cases in any and every group one can think of that exists on the planet. The one nut case does not a trend (not even close) make.

A true statistical reference is the more armed the citizenry the safer results....for the linksters, google it yourself there are too many to cite.


Please try to remember it is not the guns that are the problem. Guns are responsible for murder like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!!

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Unfortunately, quite often the argument is made that NO law abiding, permitted gun owner would do what Zimmerman did. I can provide some of those posts because they were used in a thread where I shared that a man pulled a gun on me. That argument doesn't hold water now...Zimmerman was a permitted, "law abiding" gun owner. You quote a stat of 99% where did you get that stat? Please provide the link.

I would agree that most gun owners won't use their guns for murder. The problem is we can't tell who will and who won't. Check the stats for women killed with guns.

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Yesh, just what we need. More gun owners with the easiest to obtain CCW permits you can imagine.

Guns don't kill people - just the nuts handling the guns!

CCW permits are not that easy to obtain.....

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Here is a link on gun violence against women:

Too Many Victims of Gun Violence Are Women : Ms. Magazine Blog (http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/01/07/too-many-victims-of-gun-violence-are-women/)

Information from the link....

In 2008, 7,451 women were treated in emergency rooms across America for gunshot wounds, 66 percent of which were assault-related. In 2007, 1,865 women were murdered with firearms. Firearms are more common in abusive homes, and batterers often threaten their victims with guns, sometimes implicitly, by cleaning, holding or loading guns during arguments.

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Here is a link on gun violence against women:

Too Many Victims of Gun Violence Are Women : Ms. Magazine Blog (http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/01/07/too-many-victims-of-gun-violence-are-women/)

Information from the link....

In 2008, 7,451 women were treated in emergency rooms across America for gunshot wounds, 66 percent of which were assault-related. In 2007, 1,865 women were murdered with firearms. Firearms are more common in abusive homes, and batterers often threaten their victims with guns, sometimes implicitly, by cleaning, holding or loading guns during arguments.

Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Myth: Private ownership of guns is not effective in preventing crime

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.

Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.
Fact: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.
Fact: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.
Fact: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.
Fact: In one local review of firearm homicide, more than 12% were civilian legal defensive homicides.
Fact: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348) with a
firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000) are preserved through defensive use.

Here is a link to back all this information up: Gun Facts - Gun Control | Facts | Debunk | Myths (http://gunfacts.info/)

Everyone really needs to get educated on firearm ownership. Should everyone own a firearm? Should everyone be allowed to drive? The answer to both of these question is NO. But one is a right and the other is a privilege. Nothing in the United States Constitution grants any of us the right to drive, but the second amendment grants all law abiding citizens the RIGHT to own firearms. You lose this right when you commit offenses against the established laws of the land and nation.

Gun control is nothing other than PEOPLE CONTROL. The government should fear us, the citizens, we the people should not fear our government.

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Facts don't matter to the people who want to disarm law abiding citizenry. It's their feeling about it that counts for them.

All those who are against private gun ownership should put this sign on their homes or lawns so that we know they're serious.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/wakytimes/Gun-Free-House_no_problem_Anti-Gun-440px.jpg

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On February 25th, George Zimmerman killed Trayton Martin. The circumstances surrounding the incident are sill unclear; however it is factual that George Zimmerman’s weapon was licensed and he had a permit to carry it.

Over St. Patrick’s Day weekend in Chicago, ten people were killed and an additional thirty-nine injured in shootings in Chicago. None of the people involved had licensed guns and certainly none of them had permits to carry guns. The circumstances surrounding these killings are clear – gang violence with intent to kill using unlicensed weapons.

At Least 10 People Killed, 39 Hurt in Weekend Shootings Around Chicago (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/violent-chicago-weekend-9-killed-40-hurt-at-least-shootings-20120319)

In the case of Trayvon Martin, we see massive demonstrations, calls to eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens to possess firearm, the involvement of the US Dept. of Justice and statements by the President. In the case of the multiple murders in Chicago there was none of this. The only thing that happened was that the First Lady went on the Letterman Show and said she wants to instill the values of south Chicago in her two children. Amazing.

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On February 25th, George Zimmerman killed Trayton Martin. The circumstances surrounding the incident are sill unclear; however it is factual that George Zimmerman’s weapon was licensed and he had a permit to carry it.

Over St. Patrick’s Day weekend in Chicago, ten people were killed and an additional thirty-nine injured in shootings in Chicago. None of the people involved had licensed guns and certainly none of them had permits to carry guns. The circumstances surrounding these killings are clear – gang violence with intent to kill using unlicensed weapons.

At Least 10 People Killed, 39 Hurt in Weekend Shootings Around Chicago (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/violent-chicago-weekend-9-killed-40-hurt-at-least-shootings-20120319)

In the case of Trayvon Martin, we see massive demonstrations, calls to eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens to possess firearm, the involvement of the US Dept. of Justice and statements by the President. In the case of the multiple murders in Chicago there was none of this. The only thing that happened was that the First Lady went on the Letterman Show and said she wants to instill the values of south Chicago in her two children. Amazing.


WOW! This post speaks volumes!:BigApplause:

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Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Myth: Private ownership of guns is not effective in preventing crime

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.

Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.
Fact: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.
Fact: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.
Fact: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.
Fact: In one local review of firearm homicide, more than 12% were civilian legal defensive homicides.
Fact: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348) with a
firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000) are preserved through defensive use.

Here is a link to back all this information up: Gun Facts - Gun Control | Facts | Debunk | Myths (http://gunfacts.info/)

Everyone really needs to get educated on firearm ownership. Should everyone own a firearm? Should everyone be allowed to drive? The answer to both of these question is NO. But one is a right and the other is a privilege. Nothing in the United States Constitution grants any of us the right to drive, but the second amendment grants all law abiding citizens the RIGHT to own firearms. You lose this right when you commit offenses against the established laws of the land and nation.

Gun control is nothing other than PEOPLE CONTROL. The government should fear us, the citizens, we the people should not fear our government.

The link is to a book for purchase..... I did notice a chapter about gun shows, we in Colorado know a little about those as the guns used in Columbine were purchased at a gun show.

Yes you have a right to arm yourself, never said you didn't. But facts are facts. Guns kill people legally purchased, licensed or not.

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WOW! This post speaks volumes!:BigApplause:

Typical right wing tactic....

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Typical right wing tactic.... You're correct - typical right wing = deal with the facts and look for ways to improve. Typical left wing = ignore the facts, look for victimization where none exists, and, above all scream pout, conduct rallies and attack the innocent.

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The link is to a book for purchase..... I did notice a chapter about gun shows, we in Colorado know a little about those as the guns used in Columbine were purchased at a gun show.

Yes you have a right to arm yourself, never said you didn't. But facts are facts. Guns kill people legally purchased, licensed or not.

Clicked on the PFD file download from the supplied link and the book comes right up for you to read or print out.

Just to point out to you a fact, a gun has never killed anyone, people kill people, whatever they use, from hands to stones to rockets.

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It's silly, but I can't help but to remember a line from an old "All in the Family" episode..

Mike: "Arch, did you know that (number) people were killed with guns last year?"

Archie: "Would it make you feel any better if they was stabbed?"

The point here is that I've long made the argument that it isn't the gun (especially legally owned) that is the problem since almost ANYTHING can be used as a weapon to kill.

I used to joke that "What will the come for next - knives?"

Now it's no joke:

BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors' kitchen knives ban call (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4581871.stm)

In 2005 they medical teams were calling for banning KITCHEN KNIVES - and 'consulting' teams of "top chefs" to say that longer pointy knives have no good use in a kitchen?!?!?

Ugh...

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it is unfortunate that some folks just have to restate the intention of a post like my gun vs eraser example which had NOTHING to do with the human(e) side of the issue... but to suit their personal agenda commentary it is restated to suit....wrong but that doesn't seem to matter.

And others will continue to dwell on the facts of the minority (not race THIS TIME!!) incidents. Yes they are important and compelling and emotional but DO NOT REPRESENT the character of gun owners. Responsible gun ownership is numbered in millions and millions across the country, yet some continue to highlight the hundreds or thousands of incidents as the norm. Tragic yes....the norm for gun owners...ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

THE GUNS OR ACCESS TO THEM IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!! I guess I am in amazement in what part of even in a no guns allowed society, the non law abiding folks will still have and use them. The manic husband or boyfriend without a gun will stab, beat with a bat or some other means of accomplishing the task.

Some....SOME....PEOPLE.....SOME PEOPLE......are the problem.

I do not pretend to ever convert a non gun person....only dispute the trumpeted distortion when and where ever possible.

btk

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You're correct - typical right wing = deal with the facts and look for ways to improve. Typical left wing = ignore the facts, look for victimization where none exists, and, above all scream pout, conduct rallies and attack the innocent.

Now this is funny......especially since the right wing has a full scale war on women going.

You all want smaller government until it comes to women then you want to regulate the heck out of us.

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Now this is funny......especially since the right wing has a full scale war on women going.

You all want smaller government until it comes to women then you want to regulate the heck out of us.

Read in one paper today that the Republicans are going to be short on manpower, as they now have a war on women, a war on the poor, and a war on blacks.

What a ruthless and cutthroat group...how do the good guys over there on the left handle all of this...of course, the superpowers they all possess that allows them to always be right...and they have all the goodness on their side.

If the President or the Democrats tell us that the Republicans have another war going, there will need to be a draft.

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Clicked on the PFD file download from the supplied link and the book comes right up for you to read or print out.

Just to point out to you a fact, a gun has never killed anyone, people kill people, whatever they use, from hands to stones to rockets.

I would agree that guns by themselves do not kill people ... the combination of people and guns do kill people. There are some people who should NOT have guns, for example Jared Loughner. At that point your opinion and and mine will diverge.

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I would agree that guns by themselves do not kill people ... the combination of people and guns do kill people. There are some people who should NOT have guns, for example Jared Loughner. At that point your opinion and and mine will diverge.

Let's' see people and cars, people and baseball bats, could go on and on and on, but what is your point. Loughner should not have even been allowed on the street by himself, let alone have any type of weapon or drive a car. But the LEFT wants everyone to have it all.

What is this war on women? Guess that I missed that one. Seems that your group has a war on religion, so none of us are right or left or wrong or correct.

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Let's' see people and cars, people and baseball bats, could go on and on and on, but what is your point. Loughner should not have even been allowed on the street by himself, let alone have any type of weapon or drive a car. But the LEFT wants everyone to have it all.

What is this war on women? Guess that I missed that one. Seems that your group has a war on religion, so none of us are right or left or wrong or correct.

So you assume that everyone who is NOT right is Left. There are still some of us who are center left, so to speak. I agree that Loughner should not have gotten a gun and neither should have Cho Seung-Hui (Virginia Tech). Why did Zimmerman have a CWP when he had assault and battery charges on a police officer in his past?

As far as the war on women just read the headlines....In AZ there a proposed bill to force women to prove they need birth control pills for a medical reason other than contraception. They must prove this to their employer.

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Now this is funny......especially since the right wing has a full scale war on women going.

You all want smaller government until it comes to women then you want to regulate the heck out of us.

Do you really believe that or are you intentionally spouting liberal trash?

I thought you were brighter than that. 'guess I was wrong.

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Why did Zimmerman have a CWP when he had assault and battery charges on a police officer in his past?

That is a question that I would suggest that you take up with the State of Florida. In my previous state of residence, that would have disqualified him. Each state has different rules, so as I said above, take that up with the State of Florida and find out why he was allowed to have a permit with that charge on his record. Would be interesting to find out why.

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Do you really believe that or are you intentionally spouting liberal trash?

I thought you were brighter than that. 'guess I was wrong.

Not sure what you mean here. Do I believe that the Republican party is trying to control women's access to healthcare. Yes I do given the proposed law in Arizona....

Why would the Republicans hold a hearing on women's health issue and only invite MEN?

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That is a question that I would suggest that you take up with the State of Florida. In my previous state of residence, that would have disqualified him. Each state has different rules, so as I said above, take that up with the State of Florida and find out why he was allowed to have a permit with that charge on his record. Would be interesting to find out why.

See we can agree...

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See we can agree...

Sorry we can not, just read the wikipida on Zimmerman. Charge was dropped from his records so it was never considered according to wikipida. But if you take my CWL class you will learn that the most important item that you carry will be your cell phone in protecting yourself and your loved ones and that even with the "Stand your ground" law it is always better to avoid and deter if at all possible. Saves a lot of time, heartache and money.

The biggest problem that the states have, is the once a CWL is issued a lot of the carriers think that they are "unofficial" police officers, when that is not the case.

Another problem is that the vast majority of CWL holders never practice or think through what they will do in an emergency situation.

I don't know the answer to fixing these problems, but I do believe in the right of ever citizen who lawfully can own and carry a firearm that right to do so. How do we correct and still honor the United Constitution and the 2d Amendment? I have no answer to that question, do you?

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"The biggest problem that the states have, is the once a CWL is issued a lot of the carriers think that they are "unofficial" police officers, when that is not the case."

Where does that information come from? Can you back that up?

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After having given a class to over 400 people and hearing what they say, that is where that statement comes from. I have told everyone that ever took my class, we are not police officers, you should not get involved unless your life or your loved one is in direct danger. You want to be really careful interferring between two people who you have no knowledge of, it is always better to call the "real" police and let them handle the situation, less one is trying to kill the other and there is no time. That would be come a judgement call and if you go to trial, the "reasonable man" rule would come into play. If you don't know that that is, "reasonable man," google it. Interesting reading.

I have even heard since I have been in Florida, "IF I see a Stop and Rob, getting robbed, I would try and stop it." Not me, my favorite weapon in that case would be my cellphone. But you do what you want to do, you have to make your own decision.

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Sorry we can not, just read the wiped on Zimmerman. Charge was dropped from his records so it was never considered according to wikipida. But if you take my CWL class you will learn that the most important item that you carry will be your cell phone in protecting yourself and your loved ones and that even with the "Stand your ground" law it is always better to avoid and deter if at all possible. Saves a lot of time, heartache and money.

The biggest problem that the states have, is the once a CWL is issued a lot of the carriers think that they are "unofficial" police officers, when that is not the case.

Another problem is that the vast majority of CWL holders never practice or think through what they will do in an emergency situation.

I don't know the answer to fixing these problems, but I do believe in the right of ever citizen who lawfully can own and carry a firearm that right to do so. How do we correct and still honor the United Constitution and the 2d Amendment? I have no answer to that question, do you?

I disagree..... in principle we have agreed that some people should not be issued a CWP and people with mental health issues should not be sold a gun. Just that fact that you understand there are issues that need corrected is a great start.

In an earlier thread you posted that we would never be able to discuss this issue but we did.

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In an earlier thread you posted that we would never be able to discuss this issue but we did.

I know this was not a comment for me but I wanted to comment anyway. You are one of very few people with a decidedly liberal bent on this forum who can have a conversation with a conservative without name calling and gratuitous remarks that are too personal.

I've always admired your ability to stick to the issues and your beliefs and be civil about it. You're a special lady.

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I know this was not a comment for me but I wanted to comment anyway. You are one of very few people with a decidedly liberal bent on this forum who can have a conversation with a conservative without name calling and gratuitous remarks that are too personal.

I've always admired your ability to stick to the issues and your beliefs and be civil about it. You're a special lady.

Richie... thank you so much for this post.

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Richie... thank you so much for this post.

You are so welcome. You do this forum thing better than I, but I'm striving.