Augusta National Golf Club and women members.

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Since this has been in the news of late, what do you think about women becoming members of this prestigious Country Club? Is it just so men can act like boys here out of the sight of their wives, mothers, daughters, mistresses, etc. Seems to belong more to the 1912 era than 2012? I'll bet you could find some of these same kind of good ole boys on the ritzier decks of the Titanic.

Augusta National Golf Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_National_Golf_Club)

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Since this has been in the news of late, what do you think about women becoming members of this prestigious Country Club? Is it just so men can act like boys here out of the sight of their wives, mothers, daughters, mistresses, etc. Seems to belong more to the 1912 era than 2012? I'll bet you could find some of these same kind of good ole boys on the ritzier decks of the Titanic.

Augusta National Golf Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_National_Golf_Club)

Why be so snarky? It is a tradition at Augusta and that's fine with me. I don't feel the slightest bit offended that I cannot play that course or be a member of that club! What is wrong with men have "Men Only" places? Good Lord!:spoken:

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Why be so snarky? It is a tradition at Augusta and that's fine with me. I don't feel the slightest bit offended that I cannot play that course or be a member of that club! What is wrong with men have "Men Only" places? Good Lord!:spoken:

Have no idea what "snarky" means?

Some traditions send a message. This one does seem to be an old part of the glass ceiling. Wonder what Sarah Palin would say about this tradition at the Augusta National Golf Club?

It looks like the 300 or so Members of the Augusta National Golf Club are mainly people you would find on the Forbes list of the most powerful men in the US. That is more than just a bachelor party, a men's room, a men's gym, men's night out, etc.

I will bet she makes some kind of comment soon in one of her various Twitters.

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Have no idea what "snarky" means?

Some traditions send a message. This one does seem to be an old part of the glass ceiling. Wonder what Sarah Palin would say about this tradition at the Augusta National Golf Club?

It looks like the 300 or so Members of the Augusta National Golf Club are mainly people you would find on the Forbes list of the most powerful men in the US. That is more than just a bachelor party, a men's room, a men's gym, men's night out, etc.

I will bet she makes some kind of comment soon in one of her various Twitters.

Snarky is a nicer term for being snide and trying to something offensive in something that happens to be what it is. Does it really matter who is a member of Augusta? Since it's founding it has been a men only club. I am not defined as a woman by the places that men frequent that I cannot. It is their club and they should be allowed to run it the way they want. It is a lovely place and they pay for its upkeep. Leave them alone.

I don't really care what Sarah Palin, Barrack Obama or anyone else thinks about Augusta. I only know that I am not offended or demeaned in any way by its being male only. That's all. No offence was ever intended.

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next we will have to take down all the signs that say no shirt, no shoes, no service!!!!

btk

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next we will have to take down all the signs that say no shirt, no shoes, no service!!!!

btk

Does that mean all we have to wear is shirt and shoes? ;)

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Does it really matter who is a member of Augusta? Since it's founding it has been a men only club. I am not defined as a woman by the places that men frequent that I cannot. It is their club and they should be allowed to run it the way they want. It is a lovely place and they pay for its upkeep. Leave them alone.

Rotary Clubs used to be MEN ONLY. They saw the light over twenty years ago. God, I love intelligent people!

Xavier

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TO THE ADMIN...why is this thread in Political ?????

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People should be free to associate with whomever they choose. There are plenty of "Women's Clubs", "African-American Clubs", Gay Men's Clubs, Gay Women's clubs, Animal lover's clubs, etc., etc., etc.

Each one can be deemed discriminatory if you so choose to make an issue of it. People have a right to associate with like minded people. Even in all inclusive clubs or organizations, people segregate themselves into smaller groups of like minded people.

Women golfers have no limit of venues to create the same atmosphere for themselves as the men of Augusta have for themselves.

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TO THE ADMIN...why is this thread in Political ?????

If Taltarzac is like me, I post just about every new thread to Political because of the extreme sensitivities of the "non-political" posters. If it's controversial for any reason......it's "political".

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TO THE ADMIN...why is this thread in Political ?????


I thought that it would be moved or deleted if I put this issue any where else as it is bound to get political.

As to a point from Xavier--

It does look like it took a lawsuit to allow a CA Rotary Club to keep its 3 females members on the books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_International

There has to be some very connected people (men) in the Augusta National Country Club to have kept it a men's only place for so long. You would have thought that would have been hit with various lawsuits by now or, at least, bad PR. http://blogs.findlaw.com/tarnished_twenty/2012/04/how-is-augusta-nationals-no-women-membership-policy-legal.html

I did not say successful lawsuits though given the Supreme Court's decision on allowing the Boy Scouts to discriminate against a gay scoutmaster based on the right of association and free speech. Boy Scouts v. Dale

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First of all, I am not sure myself why it is in political. It is a subject of interest to all those that oppose men only clubs. It should have started out in either the Non-Villages Discussions or the Goof Sports discussions. If it becomes political then it can be moved by the admin people.

Tal, I have to ask - why is this such a problem with you? I agree with Richie. There are all kinds of special clubs which I cannot join nor do I want to join.

What is wrong with this one? Is this a pet peeve of yours?

Z

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First of all, I am not sure myself why it is in political. It is a subject of interest to all those that oppose men only clubs. It should have started out in either the Non-Villages Discussions or the Goof Sports discussions. If it becomes political then it can be moved by the admin people.

Tal, I have to ask - why is this such a problem with you? I agree with Richie. There are all kinds of special clubs which I cannot join nor do I want to join.

What is wrong with this one? Is this a pet peeve of yours?

Z

This is a very rich man's club mainly comprised of CEOs. Would like to see some females in it who belong there like the CEO of IBM. If and when we get a female President should she not be allowed to be a member of such a prestigious and highly influential club as the Augusta National Country Club?

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Personally, I don't think that the government should be legislating who and how like-minded people can organize for their own personal purposes. What business is it of the government to regulate such things so long as no one is being hurt or negatively influenced by the actions of the few?

I believe that the members of Augusta National Golf Club, or any other club with membership limitations based on gender, religious preference, political leaning, hobby, or about any other criteria, should be able to establish their own criteria for membership...so long as their activities don't harm or negatively affect others in any way.

It seems to me that this conservative-leaning forum ought to be loudly defending the rights of the Augusta members. That doesn't seem to be the current bent, so I might ask, why not?

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This is a very rich man's club mainly comprised of CEOs. Would like to see some females in it who belong there like the CEO of IBM. If and when we get a female President should she not be allowed to be a member of such a prestigious and highly influential club as the Augusta National Country Club?

Strange, when I quoted this note I got more than " Would like to see some females in it who belong there like the CEO of IBM." (I think you added this after the post)

Now you have made it political.

I did not realize that POTUS was a member of the Augusta County Club and I hope he/she has more important things to do that to attend four days of golf with his/her special security teams paid for by us. He/she can watch it on TV like the rest of us.

As for the IBM and any other company that appoints a female as CEO, I doubt that Augusta is at the top of their concerns.

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Personally, I don't think that the government should be legislating who and how like-minded people can organize for their own personal purposes. What business is it of the government to regulate such things so long as no one is being hurt or negatively influenced by the actions of the few?

I believe that the members of Augusta National Golf Club, or any other club with membership limitations based on gender, religious preference, political leaning, hobby, or about any other criteria, should be able to establish their own criteria for membership...so long as their activities don't harm or negatively affect others in any way.

It seems to me that this conservative-leaning forum ought to be loudly defending the rights of the Augusta members. That doesn't seem to be the current bent, so I might ask, why not?

Not saying that Augusta National Golf Club should be forced to open its doors to women. It seemed to be a point of contention with golf making it to the 2016 Olympics that it be seen as a sport that is inclusive to different people. http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/is-golf-unethical/?scp=2&sq=martha%20burk&st=cse


"As of April, when the Masters again returned to Augusta, the club still had no women, a fact that should worry the golf-besotted I.O.C., which trumpets its determination 'to enhance women’s participation in sport at all levels.'" from above linked NY Times article

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This is a very rich man's club mainly comprised of CEOs. Would like to see some females in it who belong there like the CEO of IBM. If and when we get a female President should she not be allowed to be a member of such a prestigious and highly influential club as the Augusta National Country Club?

Perhaps she would join the exclusive all female The Acorn Club in Philadelphia. Or the Belizean Grove club and mingle with the likes of Judge Sonia Sotomayor. How about the Soho Club? If it is good enough for Bernie Madoff along with Bill and Hillary Clinton, I'd think it would be good enough for the first female POTUS.

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Strange, when I quoted this note I got more than " Would like to see some females in it who belong there like the CEO of IBM." (I think you added this after the post)

Now you have made it political.

I did not realize that POTUS was a member of the Augusta County Club and I hope he/she has more important things to do that to attend four days of golf with his/her special security teams paid for by us. He/she can watch it on TV like the rest of us.

As for the IBM and any other company that appoints a female as CEO, I doubt that Augusta is at the top of their concerns.

I doubt if the POTUS (Barack Obama) is a member of the Augusta National Country Club but I would expect that Mitt Romney could be. Romney has the kind of background you would find in the Membership of this Country Club. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

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Why do women always think they have to be in men's clubs? I don't want men in my women's clubs. It always seems that it is the women who want to join men's clubs and not the other way around. We can't even have all men's or all women's colleges anymore because the women complained. Good grief!!!

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As much as I might PERSONALLY disagree with it, so long as you don't cross certain lines, you have a right to be as sexist as you want.

If Augusta was receiving federal funds for something, or tax breaks, or if public business was being conducted there, you might have an argument to force them to open their membership. But what's private is PRIVATE and they have that right.

...just as I have the First Ammendment right to state my opinion that their policy is Neanderthal-like. :)

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This issue is just a continuation of liberals bashing of white men, in this case rich white men. It is an attempt to decimate the so called good boy network, which in this day and age doesn't even exist. If you have paid much atention to the movies coming out of liberal Hollywood you more often see depictions of white guys being greedy, stupid and in many cases cluless. Those depictions are intentional and carry the liberal agenda.

There is much to be said for "tradition" We are losing some very valuable traditions in this country. It seems to me to be arrogant to make such demands on otherwise legal and ethical groups or organizations.

There are a great number of women CEO's to suggestion that white men are holding women back is ridiculous

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Augusta Club's membership does not represent criteria of men's, women's, black's, brown's golf's participation in America. It only represents the membership of their specific club.

The IOC would look at the broad picture of golf in America and my guess it is more diverse than many other countries in the world.

The current wave of concern for the club not having women is an old chestnut that bubbles to the top and then dies away. This time it has become overblown because Obama decided to use it as a campaign pawn.......pure unadulterated BS!

btk

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i won't try to play golf at augusta if they won't try to watch me exercise at Curves :) i love tradition and everyone needs someplace to feel special. why don't the women CEOs start their own exclusive place? i'm for that!

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...If Augusta was receiving federal funds for something, or tax breaks...The way Augusta National and The Masters tournament co-exist is an interesting story. A guy that used to work for me was a CPA with Arthur Anderson in a prior life and told the story.

All the cash--in the case of The Masters quite a lot of cash--comes into the coffers of the Tournament. The money is used for a variety of things like improving the course, changing holes, rebuilding greens, re-doing the locker rooms where the players dress, etc. The club and the tournament are separate accounting entities, but obviously one goes a long way towards the funding of the other.

There is always quite a little financial legerdemain by the accountants to justify to the IRS that all the money spent on the course and physical facilities is really for the benefit of the tournament and not the members (who use the same facilities and course for all but the 5-6 days a year when the tournament is run). They're usually very successful, the result being that Augusta National was a very inexpensive club to belong to. Even "back in the day" the initiation fee and annual costs for a member to belong to Augusta was a small fraction of what it cost to belong to the typical suburban country club at the time.

There is one fly in the ointment though...getting invited to actually be a member of Augusta National. It is a very select club of southern gentlemen and those favored with an invitation to become a member are selected by just a handful of the longtime, senior members. It used to be just two guys who approved members--the famous golfer Bobby Jones and Cliff Roberts, who founded and developed the club. After Jones died, for years it was Cliff Roberts alone who decided who would or wouldn't be a member. In some cases, if a member didn't act as he was expected to, he was abruptly told by Mr. Roberts that the contents of his locker was being shipped to his office, thank you very much. Since the late 90's, club chairmen "Hootie" Johnson and now Billy Payne presumably make the membership decisions. The members, notwithstanding their reputation or power outside the club gates have little to say about who belongs or how the club is run.

Someone here made the point that there seems to be a blowup over membership almost every year about Masters time. Then after the winner is given his green jacket, the whole hubub blows over and life goes on. The few guys who run the club know that, of course. And like all the other years, you're not likely to hear any public response from the club chairman, because they know it'll all blow over in just a few days. It happens every year.

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The way Augusta National and The Masters tournament co-exist is an interesting story. A guy that used to work for me was a CPA with Arthur Anderson in a prior life and told the story.

All the cash--in the case of The Masters quite a lot of cash--comes into the coffers of the Tournament. The money is used for a variety of things like improving the course, changing holes, rebuilding greens, re-doing the locker rooms where the players dress, etc. The club and the tournament are separate accounting entities, but obviously one goes a long way towards the funding of the other.

There is always quite a little financial legerdemain by the accountants to justify to the IRS that all the money spent on the course and physical facilities is really for the benefit of the tournament and not the members (who use the same facilities and course for all but the 5-6 days a year when the tournament is run). They're usually very successful, the result being that Augusta National was a very inexpensive club to belong to. Even "back in the day" the initiation fee and annual costs for a member to belong to Augusta was a small fraction of what it cost to belong to the typical suburban country club at the time.

There is one fly in the ointment though...getting invited to actually be a member of Augusta National. It is a very select club of southern gentlemen and those favored with an invitation to become a member are selected by just a handful of the longtime, senior members. It used to be just two guys who approved members--the famous golfer Bobby Jones and Cliff Roberts, who founded and developed the club. After Jones died, for years it was Cliff Roberts alone who decided who would or wouldn't be a member. In some cases, if a member didn't act as he was expected to, he was abruptly told by Mr. Roberts that the contents of his locker was being shipped to his office, thank you very much. Since the late 90's, club chairmen "Hootie" Johnson and now Billy Payne presumably make the membership decisions. The members, notwithstanding their reputation or power outside the club gates have little to say about who belongs or how the club is run.

Someone here made the point that there seems to be a blowup over membership almost every year about Masters time. Then after the winner is given his green jacket, the whole hubub blows over and life goes on. The few guys who run the club know that, of course. And like all the other years, you're not likely to hear any public response from the club chairman, because they know it'll all blow over in just a few days. It happens every year.

Not sure this will blow over that quickly Villages Kahuna mainly because this is an election year. A lot of politicians seem to be getting into the controversy--President Barack Obama, the Gingrichs, John McCain, Mitt Romney. Pressure builds for Augusta golf club to bend ban on women | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/07/us-golf-masters-ibm-idUSBRE83602H20120407) http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/augusta-national-golf-club-admit-woman-ibm-ceo-ginni-rometty-international-16074896 http://www.good.is/post/masters-of-disaster-augusta-national-s-got-a-girl-problem/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+good%2Flbvp+%28GOOD+Main+RSS+ Feed%29 http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/augusta-national-golf-club-host-masters-wont-let-ibm-female-exec-become-member

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Not sure this will blow over that quickly Villages Kahuna mainly because this is an election year. A lot of politicians seem to be getting into the controversy--President Barack Obama, the Gingrichs, John McCain, Mitt Romney. Pressure builds for Augusta golf club to bend ban on women | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/07/us-golf-masters-ibm-idUSBRE83602H20120407) Augusta National Golf Club to Admit First Woman? | Video - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/augusta-national-golf-club-admit-woman-ibm-ceo-ginni-rometty-international-16074896) Masters of Disaster: Augusta National's Got A Gender Problem - Business - GOOD (http://www.good.is/post/masters-of-disaster-augusta-national-s-got-a-girl-problem/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+good%2Flbvp+%28GOOD+Main+RSS+ Feed%29) Augusta National Golf Club, host of the Masters, won't let IBM female exec become a member | Alaska Dispatch (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/augusta-national-golf-club-host-masters-wont-let-ibm-female-exec-become-member)

Maybe if these politicians would spend more time worrying about the budget and the needs of America instead of some picayune item that will blow after the Masters tournament we would be better off.

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i won't try to play golf at augusta if they won't try to watch me exercise at Curves :) i love tradition and everyone needs someplace to feel special. why don't the women CEOs start their own exclusive place? i'm for that!

Actually Chachacha, women can play at Augusta and frequently do as guests. They just aren't invited to join and be members of the club.

Augusta National Golf Club (http://golf.about.com/od/golfcourses/p/augusta-national-golf-club.htm)

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if it does not blow over as it usually does it will be because Obama and his followers may have determined like the race card to pander votes the gender card has potential as well.

Tradition, like it or not is steeped in core values. And yes some of them needed to be addressed to bring equality in some aspects of life.

As some would say to beat the drum of the issue at Augusta is in the category of picking fly specks out of the pepper....unless your name is Obama and you want to create an electorate impacting issue....which of course he will do.

I try to always look for a positive when looking at non performers, like Obama. In his case the only positive I see is his consistency of self promotion is, thank GOD so very predictable. One can spot an issue he will be on the podium for the minute it breaks in the media.

Augusta will be yesterday's news in a day or two....unless the politicians keep fanning the flame. But then they can only fan effectively for so long...eventually fading to old news just like the Trevon flames.

btk

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if it does not blow over as it usually does it will be because Obama and his followers may have determined like the race card to pander votes the gender card has potential as well.

Tradition, like it or not is steeped in core values. And yes some of them needed to be addressed to bring equality in some aspects of life.

As some would say to beat the drum of the issue at Augusta is in the category of picking fly specks out of the pepper....unless your name is Obama and you want to create an electorate impacting issue....which of course he will do.

I try to always look for a positive when looking at non performers, like Obama. In his case the only positive I see is his consistency of self promotion is, thank GOD so very predictable. One can spot an issue he will be on the podium for the minute it breaks in the media.

Augusta will be yesterday's news in a day or two....unless the politicians keep fanning the flame. But then they can only fan effectively for so long...eventually fading to old news just like the Trevon flames.

btk



It is Mitt Romney, the Gingrichs, and John McCain who voiced their concern about the Augusta National Country Club ALONG with President Barack Obama.

You keep playing the political party card and IT does not work in this instance.

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since Obama gets face time several times a day on the media he is the only one I have seen. If the others are doing it, of course my comments apply to them.

btk

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I don't think it would be fair if they opened Augusta to rich, executive type women. What about women who aren't rich and couldn't afford to pay the membership fee? Or even men who want to join but can't afford the membership fee? That isn't fair. The government should make those rich country club people let everyone in who can't afford to join and force the big shots to teach me how to play golf as good as Lorena Ochoa. :cryin2:

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I don't think it would be fair if they opened Augusta to rich, executive type women. What about women who aren't rich and couldn't afford to pay the membership fee? Or even men who want to join but can't afford the membership fee? That isn't fair. The government should make those rich country club people let everyone in who can't afford to join and force the big shots to teach me how to play golf as good as Lorena Ochoa. :cryin2:

Maybe, if the Augusta National Country Club were in Cuba this argument would fly. Even then my guess is that the friends of the Castros would be getting tee times a lot faster than anyone else while eating much better food as well as drinking much better alcohol and smoking some fine Cubans. And, you probably could not praise God when you got a par.

To paraphrase George Orwell-- "All Cubans are equal, but some are more equal than others."

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Some people really need to get a life and get a real job

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Some people really need to get a life and get a real job

Anyone hiring??

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Anyone hiring??

I heard there were some openings in Augusta for some service jobs. They are temporary until the crowds leave. But I bet you can make some good tips. :icon_wink:

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I heard there were some openings in Augusta for some service jobs. They are temporary until the crowds leave. But I bet you can make some good tips. :icon_wink:

Good one, bkcunningham1.

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you know, after giving this issue more thought I have reversed my opinion on this matter.

As a poor non talented white male I demand that this private organization open its door to anyone who expresses an interest in joining. I also look to Obama who is supportive of breaching this private organization to underwrite my expenses in joining this private organization. I mean if goverment can underwrite thousands of mortgages for people who clearly did not have the funds to make their first mortgage payment then he can underwrite my Augusta National Golf Club dues, fees and other expenses. I am an American and that is all that is needed to support my claim for these funds. My plans fits well with Obama's in advancing the redistribution of wealth.

And since Obama will fund my membership I think it logical that Obama also fund my private lesson from golf pro Butch Harmon. I make these demands because it is just not fair that Gates and company ge to join and I can't, after all we are all equal under the US Constitution.

Now that I have opened Obama's eyes to this inequity I need to send him information on the number Corporate Boards I desire to serve on and continuing his agenda of wealth redistribution, the amount of income I expect to receive along with stock options, etc.

Hmmmmmm maybe I should work on the Pope next?

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you know, after giving this issue more thought I have reversed my opinion on this matter.

As a pYor non talented white male I demand that this private organization open its door to anyone who expresses an interest in joining. I also look to Obama who is supportive of breaching this private organization to underwrite my expenses in joining this private organization. I mean if goverment can underwrite thousands of mortgages for people who clearly did not have the funds to make their first mortgage payment then he can underwrite my Augusta National Golf Club dues, fees and other expenses. I am an American and that is all that is needed to support my claim for these funds. My plans fits well with Obama's in advancing the redistribution of wealth.

And since Obama will fund my membership I think it logical that Obama also fund my private lesson from golf pro Butch Harmon. I make these demands because it is just not fair that Gates and company ge to join and I can't, after all we are all equal under the US Constitution.

Now that I have opened Obama's eyes to this inequity I need to send him information on the number Corporate Boards I desire to serve on and continuing his agenda of wealth redistribution, the amount of income I expect to receive along with stock options, etc.

Hmmmmmm maybe I should work on the Pope next?

Looks like someone has been smoking those fine Cuban cigars. I had a Sociology teacher at the University of Nevada, Reno who was an ardent Marxist. He is probably the only person I know though that might go along with this argument.

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Looks like someone has been smoking those fine Cuban cigars. I had a Sociology teacher at the University of Nevada, Reno who was an ardent Marxist. He is probably the only person I know thought that might go along with this argument.

you can make fun of RUBICON all you want, but he is not far off !!!

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you can make fun of RUBICON all you want, but he is not far off !!!

According to whom?? I have heard the claim that President Obama is a socialist bent on class warfare. Not really buying that claim. Show me how Mitt Romney would get the money to balance the budget without raising taxes?? Wealth redistribution claims against President Obama from a Republican usually means an attack on the increase of taxes on the rich.

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Some traditions send a message. This one does seem to be an old part of the glass ceiling. Wonder what Sarah Palin would say about this tradition at the Augusta National Golf Club?


I think that is just fine for men to have "men only clubs" and women to have the same. My god, do we have no choice anymore of who we spend our time with on this planet ?

I think that some people are just predisposed to LOOKING for a message.

I guess we have to share our lives with everybody, no matter what!

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notlongnow, AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!!

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I fully support freedom of association for any group. Neither of my two sons wanted to join a Sorority and neither of my two daughters wished to become a member of any of the Fraternities. Sororities and Fraternities are private organizations that choose their own members and require that the members be of a specific gender. Every one that I know of receives government aid either directly or indirectly.

Most Masonic Lodges are men only while The Daughter of the American Revolution is restricted to women. Trying to distinguish these organizations from a Country Club is equally as sensible as debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The basic idea of freedom is to allow people to do what they want so long as it does not hurt others. As I’ve told my children, you have every right to swing your arms, but that right ends where another person’s nose begins.

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I fully support freedom of association for any group. Neither of my two sons wanted to join a Sorority and neither of my two daughters wished to become a member of any of the Fraternities. Sororities and Fraternities are private organizations that choose their own members and require that the members be of a specific gender. Every one that I know of receives government aid either directly or indirectly.

Most Masonic Lodges are men only while The Daughter of the American Revolution is restricted to women. Trying to distinguish these organizations from a Country Club is equally as sensible as debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The basic idea of freedom is to allow people to do what they want so long as it does not hurt others. As I’ve told my children, you have every right to swing your arms, but that right ends where another person’s nose begins.

There is a big difference though from a Soroity or Fraternity and the Augusta National Country Club where one of the most prestigious golf tournaments in the world is played. It is the Masters we are talking about here.


I have no problem say with women not being in the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB as players or with them actually playing in the Masters Tournament. The Augusta National Country Club though is different in quality and kind.

Women in the NFL-- http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-opinion/6516042/women-pros-women-tackling-nfl-long-shot

http://weeklyworldnews.com/sports/28709/nfl-to-allow-women-to-play/

Sure would be a lot of challenges for a woman who played against the big boys in the NFL.

Women in NBA-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Meyers

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-opinion/6527710/women-pros-woman-shoot-nba

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There is a big difference though from a Soroity or Fraternity and the Augusta National Country Club where one of the most prestigious golf tournaments in the world is played. It is the Masters we are talking about here.


I don't see the difference. There is only a difference if you care about golf and then only to some, a very few in my opinion.
Is it fair that Rory Mcilroy can't play in the LPGA open? I will never get to play at Augusta, what about me?

I don't think you are talking about competition though.
I think you think the 1% are just taking advantage of women and taking there right to play at Augusta.
I believe you are really reaching to find a connection to the ridiculous notion that conservatives are trying to limit women's rights, which is equally a stretch.

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I don't see the difference. There is only a difference if you care about golf and then only to some, a very few in my opinion.
Is it fair that Rory Mcilroy can't play in the LPGA open? I will never get to play at Augusta, what about me?

I don't think you are talking about competition though.
I think you think the 1% are just taking advantage of women and taking there right to play at Augusta.
I believe you are really reaching to find a connection to the ridiculous notion that conservatives are trying to limit women's rights, which is equally a stretch.

Not conservatives but the power brokers at the Augusta National Country Club are limiting women's rights. Some of these power brokers could just as well be extremely liberal in outlook except with respect to having a female Country Club Member.

The golfers in the Masters have earned there right to be there as say has the CEO of IBM who is a woman earned the right to a Green Jacket. http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/whats-a-man-to-do/

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No kowtowing in my house (unless it's me doing it). My wife is a Democrat/Liberal. I'm a Democrat/Liberal too. We knew what we were getting into. 43 years of equality and bliss. I suppose I could have married a more conservative woman, but I fear it would have gotten boring after a while. I can only take so much adulation. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Happy Easter,
Xavier

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No kowtowing in my house (unless it's me doing it). My wife is a Democrat/Liberal. I'm a Democrat/Liberal too. We knew what we were getting into. 43 years of equality and bliss. I suppose I could have married a more conservative woman, but I fear it would have gotten boring after a while. I can only take so much adulation. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Happy Easter,
Xavier

Happy Easter, Xavier.

Here is a little Easter joke about women's equality.

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street bald as an Easter Egg and still think they are beautiful.

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Happy Easter, Xavier.

Here is a little Easter joke about women's equality.

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street bald as an Easter Egg and still think they are beautiful.

:eclipsee_gold_cup: :laugh: :clap2: :1rotfl:

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According to whom?? I have heard the claim that President Obama is a socialist bent on class warfare. Not really buying that claim. Show me how Mitt Romney would get the money to balance the budget without raising taxes?? Wealth redistribution claims against President Obama from a Republican usually means an attack on the increase of taxes on the rich.

Hi Taltazac: Perhaps I mistake your post but it seems to me Romney, Ryan and company have been presenting in writing, at conferences, during campaign speeches ,etc exactly how to re-energize this economy.

In that same vein, Obama has from his 2008 campaign days made it clear that his plan for our society is by a redistribution of wealth. To my way of thinking this redistribution agenda is like taking someone's hard earned efforts of collecting a bucket full of water and removing a glass of water at a time to be given to someone so long as the water lasts in that bucket. Clearly several peple are happy initially with a glass of water. However eventually a glass is going to be enough because they want more and more and more without any effort. In the meantime the hard working water collecting individual has long given up because he has not been rewarded for his efforts.

Put it another way Obama is building another Greece, Spain, Italy Portugal,etc .

My last post about being a poor non talent was obviously in jest, except I am poor and non talented. However, many Americans are tired of the canards presented by the liberal left. The liberal agenda as if it is has a magic exlixir contnues, because too many liberals simply cannot recognize or acknowlege the limitations in natural law. Life is not fair ....and liberals need to come to grips with that fact and apply reasonable remedies.

Liberals are acting as spoiled children making unreasonable demands when they try and force a private organization to open enrolment

I recall a time when Jews, Italians, etc were prohibited from joining private country clubs. What did they do...they made lots of money and started their own clubs.

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Hi Taltazac: Perhaps I mistake your post but it seems to me Romney, Ryan and company have been presenting in writing, at conferences, during campaign speeches ,etc exactly how to re-energize this economy.

In that same vein, Obama has from his 2008 campaign days made it clear that his plan for our society is by a redistribution of wealth. To my way of thinking this redistribution agenda is like taking someone's hard earned efforts of collecting a bucket full of water and removing a glass of water at a time to be given to someone so long as the water lasts in that bucket. Clearly several peple are happy initially with a glass of water. However eventually a glass is going to be enough because they want more and more and more without any effort. In the meantime the hard working water collecting individual has long given up because he has not been rewarded for his efforts.

Put it another way Obama is building another Greece, Spain, Italy Portugal,etc .

My last post about being a poor non talent was obviously in jest, except I am poor and non talented. However, many Americans are tired of the canards presented by the liberal left. The liberal agenda as if it is has a magic exlixir contnues, because too many liberals simply cannot recognize or acknowlege the limitations in natural law. Life is not fair ....and liberals need to come to grips with that fact and apply reasonable remedies.

Liberals are acting as spoiled children making unreasonable demands when they try and force a private organization to open enrolment

I recall a time when Jews, Italians, etc were prohibited from joining private country clubs. What did they do...they made lots of money and started their own clubs.

I have seen what seem like very mixed messages about the Augusta National Country Club allowing women as Members from the Country Club Chairman Billy Paine as well as those about the 1% earners and taxes coming from Mitt Romney.

Romney’s Tax Plan Still A Boon To Rich, Despite 1% Talk | TPM2012 (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/romneys-tax-plan-short-on-details-still-boon-to-wealthy.php)

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and I suppose the democrats who have been in the presidents office and congress have really done so much to NOT favor the rich?

The haves work for the haves no matter the letter R or D or white or black or religion.

Only in politics do SOME try to subdivide it and make it a partisan issue, which it is not.

Just another talking point like everything else. If one tried to measure it you would have more success measuring a passing cloud!!

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and I suppose the democrats who have been in the presidents office and congress have really done so much to NOT favor the rich?

The haves work for the haves no matter the letter R or D or white or black or religion.

Only in politics do SOME try to subdivide it and make it a partisan issue, which it is not.

Just another talking point like everything else. If one tried to measure it you would have more success measuring a passing cloud!!

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President Obama does not really seem to work for the haves though as far as I can tell. And, "wealth redistribution" comes up a lot in the political rhetoric of Republicans. President Obama tries to counter that claim-- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57340842/obama-not-redistributing-wealth/

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There is a big difference though from a Soroity or Fraternity and the Augusta National Country Club where one of the most prestigious golf tournaments in the world is played. It is the Masters we are talking about here.

Women in the NFL-- Women in the Pros -- For women, tackling NFL is a long shot - espnW (http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-opinion/6516042/women-pros-women-tackling-nfl-long-shot)

NFL TO ALLOW WOMEN TO PLAY*|*Weekly World News (http://weeklyworldnews.com/sports/28709/nfl-to-allow-women-to-play/)



Women in NBA-- Ann Meyers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Meyers)

Women in the Pros -- Can a woman shoot for the NBA? - espnW (http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-opinion/6527710/women-pros-woman-shoot-nba)


Would you care to state what the 'big difference' is that you perceive. You say the difference is that it is Augusta National CC. So what? Augusta National is a fraternal organization. Be consistent - either you either oppose all single sex fraternal organizations or you do not.

I fully support them since I believe in freedom of assembly. You, apparently, do not. Will you next insist on banning the Congressional Black Caucus? It too, is a fraternal organization.

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Would you care to state what the 'big difference' is that you perceive. You say the difference is that it is Augusta National CC. So what? Augusta National is a fraternal organization. Be consistent - either you either oppose all single sex fraternal organizations or you do not.

I fully support them since I believe in freedom of assembly. You, apparently, do not. Will you next insist on banning the Congressional Black Caucus? It too, is a fraternal organization.

I see that someone just shot a double eagle at the Masters. The difference is that the Masters is a world famous golf tournament at a Country Club that finally got around to allowing an African American as a Member in 1990!
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/08/2737877/rare-double-eagle-gives-oosthuizen.html

And, it still has not allowed women in their Country Club after a big stink in 2002.

The caddies at this Country Club had to be black up through 1982.

"Before 1983, staff caddies were assigned to professional players. All of the staff caddies were black, a lingering remnant of the Jim Crow south. Club founder Clifford Roberts once quipped 'As long as I’m alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black.'"


If you are "black" or identified by others as a "black" and are a Member of Congress, then you could join the Congressional Black Caucus.

If you are a woman and a student at the U of FL, you can join a Sorority at the University of Florida.

If you are a CEO who is the major sponsor of the Masters (IBM), then you should be able to become a Member of the Country Club where the Masters in played every year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_National_Golf_Club

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Augusta National like any private organization has a legal right to decide on the criteria they use to select their membership. Some private Country Clubs require a certain handicap and without it you cannot play their courses.

Liberals simply have a burr under their saddle and all of a sudden their famous "No means No" stance no longer has application.Hmmmmmmmmmmm

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Rubicon: Based on your post on 4/8 at 6:06PM - Are you comparing rape to membership in a country club? Just a question.

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I see that someone just shot a double eagle at the Masters. The difference is that the Masters is a world famous golf tournament at a Country Club that finally got around to allowing an African American as a Member in 1990!
Rare double-eagle gives Oosthuizen Masters lead - Golf - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/08/2737877/rare-double-eagle-gives-oosthuizen.html)

And, it still has not allowed women in their Country Club after a big stink in 2002.

The caddies at this Country Club had to be black up through 1982.

"Before 1983, staff caddies were assigned to professional players. All of the staff caddies were black, a lingering remnant of the Jim Crow south. Club founder Clifford Roberts once quipped 'As long as I’m alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black.'"


If you are "black" or identified by others as a "black" and are a Member of Congress, then you could join the Congressional Black Caucus.

If you are a woman and a student at the U of FL, you can join a Sorority at the University of Florida.

If you are a CEO who is the major sponsor of the Masters (IBM), then you should be able to become a Member of the Country Club where the Masters in played every year. Augusta National Golf Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_National_Golf_Club)

You, like many others tend to identify discrimination with the South. You ignore the facts. An example, until the 80's, The Los Angeles Country Club would not admit Jews and Hillcrest would not admit Gentiles. Similar examples about in the BoWash corridor and throughout California and Texas.

You say that women CEO's should be able to join Augusta. You fail to say that this is your opinion and not a legal obligation. Let the Shriners be the Shriners, the DAR be the DAR and EVERY fraternal organization be allowed to set its own rules for membership without permission from any level of government. There is too much intrusion of government in our lives today - we don't need more.

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Augusta National like any private organization has a legal right to decide on the criteria they use to select their membership. Some private Country Clubs require a certain handicap and without it you cannot play their courses.

Liberals simply have a burr under their saddle and all of a sudden their famous "No means No" stance no longer has application.Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Not sure what you mean by this "no means no" reference and again Mitt Romney, John McCain, the Gingrichs and probably a large number of other Republicans have stated that they in addition to many Democrats have said that the Augusta National Country Club should change its policy about women.

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You, like many others tend to identify discrimination with the South. You ignore the facts. An example, until the 80's, The Los Angeles Country Club would not admit Jews and Hillcrest would not admit Gentiles. Similar examples about in the BoWash corridor and throughout California and Texas.

You say that women CEO's should be able to join Augusta. You fail to say that this is your opinion and not a legal obligation. Let the Shriners be the Shriners, the DAR be the DAR and EVERY fraternal organization be allowed to set its own rules for membership without permission from any level of government. There is too much intrusion of government in our lives today - we don't need more.

No I do not identify discrimination with just the South having read various Supreme Court and other cases that cover discrimination in many other US geographical areas. I also remember the book A Beautiful Mind and its discussion of discrimination against Jewish intellectuals in Ivy League universities and colleges.


Have no problem with the Shriners just allowing men to join as there are plenty of similar organizations that only allow women to join. Same with the Daughters of the American Revolution and its only allowing women who can trace their ancestry to someone who fought in the American Revolution on the American side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_the_American_Revolution

And, I never said anything about the government forcing the Augusta National Country Club to change its policy on women. They should do it because it is the right thing to do.

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And, I never said anything about the government forcing the Augusta National Country Club to change its policy on women. They should do it because it is the right thing to do.

I believe we're basically agreeing with each other. You say they should do it because it is right thing to do. My belief is that they should do it if they want to and to H--- with political correctness.

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bbqman:agree:

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I believe we're basically agreeing with each other. You say they should do it because it is right thing to do. My belief is that they should do it if they want to and to H--- with political correctness.

Rich white men usually can do whatever they want with respect to political correctness.

My guess is that the IBM CEO has already been invited to join this Country Club but the Augusta National Country Club will just keep it secret so as not to keep this PR mess in the media.

Congrats to Bubba Watson for winning this year's Masters (2012).

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Just a thought but I have not seen anything in the newspapers since the one or two articles about the Master and IBM having a female CEO. It apparently was not a big deal to anyone at the Masters.

That said, since the Masters is over any talk of opening membership at the Masters to females is put to bed until the 2013 Masters.

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Just a thought but I have not seen anything in the newspapers since the one or two articles about the Master and IBM having a female CEO. It apparently was not a big deal to anyone at the Masters.

That said, since the Masters is over any talk of opening membership at the Masters to females is put to bed until the 2013 Masters.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/sports/golf/ibm-executive-is-just-another-face-in-the-crowd.html?_r=1

From the NY Times article--

"Billy Payne, the club’s chairman, avoided the issue in a news conference that turned contentious early in the week, but even on Sunday, as the leaders were moving toward the back nine, there were still strong feelings on both sides among many of the spectators."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/sports/golf/ibm-executive-is-just-another-face-in-the-crowd.html?_r=1

From the NY Times article--

"Billy Payne, the club’s chairman, avoided the issue in a news conference that turned contentious early in the week, but even on Sunday, as the leaders were moving toward the back nine, there were still strong feelings on both sides among many of the spectators."

The Masters is nothing without tradition...unfortunately 2 traditions are at odds:

1. Men only members
2. The CEO of IBM is automatically invited to join.

Which tradition will win out?

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This same tired discussion comes up every year at The Masters. It will now go away until next year. No big deal.

Next topic, please.

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The Masters is nothing without tradition...unfortunately 2 traditions are at odds:

1. Men only members
2. The CEO of IBM is automatically invited to join.

Which tradition will win out?

Probably both. If I could bet on this, I would bet that she would be invited and out of respect to the tradition decline the invitation. Ginni Rometty is a class act and will conduct herself accordingly.

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The Masters is nothing without tradition...unfortunately 2 traditions are at odds:

1. Men only members
2. The CEO of IBM is automatically invited to join.

Which tradition will win out?

Maybe an "honorary membership"?

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The Masters is nothing without tradition...unfortunately 2 traditions are at odds:

1. Men only members
2. The CEO of IBM is automatically invited to join.

Which tradition will win out?

Interesting dilemma. My guess is she might be too busy running IBM to get involved with the Augusta National Country Club even if invited.

Also, she might not want her name associated with being the first women allowed as a Member at August.

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Masters 2012: A Tradition That Should Change. IBM's Virginia Rometty and Augusta National Golf Club - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303772904577331862255216658.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories)

Sexism at Augusta National (or, when false objectivity gets in the way of the facts) - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/mahaatal/2012/04/09/sexism-at-augusta-national/)


A quote from the Wall Street Journal article by Jason Gay.

"It's time to take off those stylish green tin foil hats, turn down the reality distortion field, and acknowledge the obvious: Absence of a female member at golf's most prominent club—not just a folksy conclave in the woods, but the sport's best-known stage, a citadel of corporate power, happily monetizing and broadcasting its event to millions—is woefully out-of-date and should embarrass anyone invested in this event."

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and what page in the book of earth shattering priorities should this subject be located?

btk

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and what page in the book of earth shattering priorities should this subject be located?

btk

It has just moved up a number of pages in that book with The Wall Street Journal and Forbes adding their voices.

Looks like a feminist with connections is also getting into it-- http://themoderatevoice.com/143836/augusta-ashley-and-armstrong-a-call-for-women-to-change-the-world/

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I think that if the liberals would spend as much time being "busy" as being "busy bodies" we could double our productivity!
Why don't we just find everything that works and screw it up and get it over with. That way we can just start wearing the little grey uniforms that make us all the same!

Wait, that's what we are doing, Okay were on track.

And yes for those out there that can't stand it, this is just me jumping in with a one-liner. (maybe two.)

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I think that if the liberals would spend as much time being "busy" as being "busy bodies" we could double our productivity!
Why don't we just find everything that works and screw it up and get it over with. That way we can just start wearing the little grey uniforms that make us all the same!

Wait, that's what we are doing, Okay were on track.

And yes for those out there that can't stand it, this is just me jumping in with a one-liner. (maybe two.)

Not sure what you are talking about here. It brings to mind the "Little Boxes" song which unless I am mistaken was written by a San Francisco activist. Cannot really get more liberal than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boxes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvina_Reynolds

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What I am saying is with all the problems we have right now that THIS is no problem at all.
Augusta happens once a year and the rest of the time it only affects a select few who wish to participate in the country club drivel.

I am sure the rich women out there are able to fill there time in other ways other than sitting around with a bunch of old rich guys.

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What I am saying is with all the problems we have right now that THIS is no problem at all.
Augusta happens once a year and the rest of the time it only affects a select few who wish to participate in the country club drivel.

I am sure the rich women out there are able to fill there time in other ways other than sitting around with a bunch of old rich guys.


There certainly are many more important problems than getting a woman in as a Member at the Augusta National Country Club.

This is though just so easy a problem to fix. Maybe, they have already done it with the rumors about adding another restroom.


Country club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_club)

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There certainly are many more important problems than getting a woman in as a Member at the Augusta National Country Club.

This is though just so easy a problem to fix. Maybe, they have already done it with the rumors about adding another restroom.


Country club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_club)

Why fix what ain't broke?

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Why fix what ain't broke?

What I am saying!

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Why fix what ain't broke?

So, you are saying let's just leave the Augusta National Country Club alone because there policy on not allowing women Members is OK by me???



"It's just an embarrassment that it's still all male," said Debora Spar, president of Barnard College in New York. "Any argument that can be made anymore for male-only recreational sites is just kind of past its day."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/04/11/bloomberg_articlesM2A14M0UQVI901-M2AHK.DTL#ixzz1rjbqcakz

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there are many, many, MANY men's clubs, women's clubs, black this or that club.....so why the emphasis on Augusta. It is/was Master's time of the year again. The same isolated few folks have a personal need to speak out and get their 15 minutes of fame.

So what about all the other "segregated" clubs that are not mentioned? Because they are not media, political or celebrity worthy that's what!!!

btk

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there are many, many, MANY men's clubs, women's clubs, black this or that club.....so why the emphasis on Augusta. It is/was Master's time of the year again. The same isolated few folks have a personal need to speak out and get their 15 minutes of fame.

So what about all the other "segregated" clubs that are not mentioned? Because they are not media, political or celebrity worthy that's what!!!

btk

No! That's not it. The Masters is one of the 4 Major Tournaments in golf each year. It is symbolic of so much more than just some country club in say upstate NY that does not allow men, gophers, or whomever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_major_golf_championships

I would say that Mitt Romney who also thought this country club should allow women has had a lot more than 15 minutes of fame.

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Bringing Women Up To Par At Maryland Country Clubs | Thatcher Law Firm | Washington, D.C. (http://www.thatcherlaw.com/News-Articles/Bringing-Women-Up-To-Par-At-Maryland-Country-Clubs.shtml)

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Bringing Women Up To Par At Maryland Country Clubs | Thatcher Law Firm | Washington, D.C. (http://www.thatcherlaw.com/News-Articles/Bringing-Women-Up-To-Par-At-Maryland-Country-Clubs.shtml)

For some reason this thread lives in political, why I do not know, but since it is still here....

"Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show.

According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000)"


"The president and his Democratic allies have accused Republicans of waging a “war on women,” and have touted themselves as champions of female equality. Obama’s rhetoric, however, has not always been supported by his actions.

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters last week that Obama believes it is “long past the time” for women to be admitted to the traditionally all-male Augusta National Golf Club, site of the Masters golf tournament.

But the president has demonstrated a strong preference for all-male foursomes in his frequent golf outings, a bias that extends well beyond the putting green and into the Oval Office."

Big sentence in this article is "Obama’s rhetoric, however, has not always been supported by his actions." because he has at least been very consistent with that !!!!

Hostile Workplace | Washington Free Beacon (http://freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/)

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Probably both. If I could bet on this, I would bet that she would be invited and out of respect to the tradition decline the invitation. Ginni Rometty is a class act and will conduct herself accordingly.

And she doesn't play golf.....

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Carolyn Maloney, New York Representative, Seeks To Deny Tax Breaks To Men-Only Businesses (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17/carolyn-maloney-equal-play-at-augusta-act_n_1432772.html?ref=politics)

This may get interesting if the Act gets anywhere.

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Happy National Golf Day To All! (Except for You, Augusta National) - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/golf/2012/4/18/2958151/happy-national-golf-day-to-all-except-for-you-augusta-national)

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Buffett Says Augusta Would Have Women If He Ran Golf Club - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-06/buffett-says-augusta-would-have-women-if-he-ran-golf-club.html)

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Buffett Says Augusta Would Have Women If He Ran Golf Club - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-06/buffett-says-augusta-would-have-women-if-he-ran-golf-club.html)

Hi Tal: In my corporate days I had done many things to advance the cause of women who truly deserved an opportunity to advance, etc. I worked all the officer positions in an adjunct organization involving my discipline. When I first arrived there were no women. This group were an all boys club right out of the 1950's I recognized the benefit of having women join our ranks. I laid the ground work with guys I knew would resist and made contacts with a number of women I had come to know, one of which made it clear she had attended one of our meetings and was put off. By the the time I left after serving as president women were half the membership and entering officer positions. Two years after my presidency we elected our first women president. By the way it was the woman I mentioned early who was put off. she trusted me and knew I was only interested in having a solid organization. I do believe mena and women complement one another and would thus make for a better organization.

Having said that I do not believe that Augusta National should be forced into accepting women. In time that will happen but it is better to let it evolve.

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Hi Tal: In my corporate days I had done many things to advance the cause of women who truly deserved an opportunity to advance, etc. I worked all the officer positions in an adjunct organization involving my discipline. When I first arrived there were no women. This group were an all boys club right out of the 1950's I recognized the benefit of having women join our ranks. I laid the ground work with guys I knew would resist and made contacts with a number of women I had come to know, one of which made it clear she had attended one of our meetings and was put off. By the the time I left after serving as president women were half the membership and entering officer positions. Two years after my presidency we elected our first women president. By the way it was the woman I mentioned early who was put off. she trusted me and knew I was only interested in having a solid organization. I do believe men and women complement one another and would thus make for a better organization.

Having said that I do not believe that Augusta National should be forced into accepting women. In time that will happen but it is better to let it evolve.

I agree that they should not be forced to allow a woman member. That would violate the First Amendment right of association. An army of lawyers probably could find multiple ways to force them to admit a woman; but, then Augusta National Golf Course would hire their army of lawyers to fight it. In the end, only the lawyers and the media would really win this one. The image of golf as a sport would suffer more.

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I really thought that this thread would be dormant until next year's Masters tournament!!

The time has passed.

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PGA Tour (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-09/pga-tour-s-finchem-says-masters-too-important-even-with-no-women.html)

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Can we PLEASE kill this thread now? Every view has been posted, in some cases numerous times. Let it go to the bottom of the board and be forgotten until next year.

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Can we PLEASE kill this thread now? Every view has been posted, in some cases numerous times. Let it go to the bottom of the board and be forgotten until next year.

I only update this thread when there has been a significant development. Like with today's post.

That was about the PGA.

"U.S. PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem said the Masters Tournament is 'too important' to golf for his group not to recognize the event because of Augusta National Golf Club’s all-male membership.

Golf’s richest circuit won’t change its position on the issue because 'we don’t have to,' Finchem said in a press conference today in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, site of the Players championship." PGA Tour (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-09/pga-tour-s-finchem-says-masters-too-important-even-with-no-women.html)

This topic could become hot again if one of the Presidential candidates or some other candidate picks up this issue.

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Are gays allowed to join Augusta National?

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Are gays allowed to join Augusta National?

I dun no? Is John Travolta a member?

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"Don't ask, don't tell" would probably still be in effect at the Augusta National Country Club.

IBM does have an excellent set of benefits for their same-sex employees though.