Cowboy Joe

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Looks like Cowboy Joe Arpaio might be in some serious trouble. As they say, a new sheriff is in town. Maybe Cowboy Joe will be forced to wear some of the pink underwear in his own jail.

Well, that is what happens when the "law" violates the civil rights of people. Maybe Cowboy Joe never read the Constitution.

Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/arpaio-faces-sheriff-town-084500792.html)

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Maybe you don't understand the power that a sheriff has in his own terrority. Might just be that some of those boys from DOJ might be wearing pink undies for a while.

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The Obama Team continues with their hit list. Intentionally slandering individuals that do not support Obama or contribute to Mitt campaign. These are nothing short of the tactics common street thugs use.

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The Obama Team continues with their hit list. Intentionally slandering individuals that do not support Obama or contribute to Mitt campaign. These are nothing short of the tactics common street thugs use.





Not nice referring to the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee as a thug. Even if you are correct.

Daily Kos: Mitt-the-Bully Took His High School Thug Training to Bain (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/10/1090489/-Mitt-the-Bully-Took-His-High-School-Thug-Training-to-Bain)

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Not nice referring to the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee as a thug. Even if you are correct.

Daily Kos: Mitt-the-Bully Took His High School Thug Training to Bain (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/10/1090489/-Mitt-the-Bully-Took-His-High-School-Thug-Training-to-Bain)

You might want to reread my post

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This story about Arizona speaks to the utter hypocrisy of this Holder and this administration.

Holder does not enforce any law of this country, which is his job, if he does not like it and then a rep of his mentions the constitution.

Stand your ground Sheriff Joe....the Arizona law simply says we will enforce the federal law you will not...will not arrest but turn the lawbreakers you dont care about over to you.

Holder and his secrets on Mexico......and other things will come out...could this be part of an October surprise ?

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Not nice referring to the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee as a thug. Even if you are correct.

Daily Kos: Mitt-the-Bully Took His High School Thug Training to Bain (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/10/1090489/-Mitt-the-Bully-Took-His-High-School-Thug-Training-to-Bain)

Let me understand this.....it is more important to you that we punish a high school student, who did nothing but capers and as the story continues the folks are backing out...but THIS is important to you...

BUT NOT IMPORTANT to you is the President of the United States singling out individuals, calling them criminals and sending folks to their districts to dig up dirt....because they gave money to his opponent.

I dont know....my perception of all of this leads me to a different conclusion.

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"These are nothing short of the tactics common street thugs use."

Very interesting comment but I did not know "common street thugs" use the guaranteed rights of the 4th Amendment as one of their tactics.

I seriously doubt the validity of the post that says, "BUT NOT IMPORTANT to you is the President of the United States singling out individuals, calling them criminals and sending folks to their districts to dig up dirt....because they gave money to his opponent." I would like to see hard evidence of that - and not just a link to some right-wing rag or a windbag like Beck or Limbaugh - but actual proof of that remark.

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Looks like Cowboy Joe Arpaio might be in some serious trouble. As they say, a new sheriff is in town. Maybe Cowboy Joe will be forced to wear some of the pink underwear in his own jail.

Well, that is what happens when the "law" violates the civil rights of people. Maybe Cowboy Joe never read the Constitution.

Arpaio Faces a New Sheriff in Town - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/arpaio-faces-sheriff-town-084500792.html)

Our Sheriff was indicted by DOJ back a few years ago. He plead out a deal and did a small amount of time in a Federal Detention Center. It happens.

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"These are nothing short of the tactics common street thugs use."

Very interesting comment but I did not know "common street thugs" use the guaranteed rights of the 4th Amendment as one of their tactics.

Let me help you here.....the quote you are using to make whatever point you want to make had to do with the Obama administration calling out donors to Romney for public ridicule and accusation and then following up by having operatives in their areas digging up as much dirt as possible.

The quote you use has NOTHING to do with the 4th ammendment and had you read the post correctly you would have known that.

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Let me help you here.....the quote you are using to make whatever point you want to make had to do with the Obama administration calling out donors to Romney for public ridicule and accusation and then following up by having operatives in their areas digging up as much dirt as possible.

The quote you use has NOTHING to do with the 4th ammendment and had you read the post correctly you would have known that.

I read it quite clearly. I do not think you understood my underlying message that Cowboy Joe was denying citizens their 4th Amendment rights as guaranteed by the Constitution and that was the reason DOJ had to be sent to Arizona.

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I read it quite clearly. I do not think you understood my underlying message that Cowboy Joe was denying citizens their 4th Amendment rights as guaranteed by the Constitution and that was the reason DOJ had to be sent to Arizona.

Citizens or illegal aliens? Yes I use the term illegal aliens not undocumented persons.

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I read it quite clearly. I do not think you understood my underlying message that Cowboy Joe was denying citizens their 4th Amendment rights as guaranteed by the Constitution and that was the reason DOJ had to be sent to Arizona.

OK....slowly now....this is the quote you are using, originally used by RUBICON in post #3

"The Obama Team continues with their hit list. Intentionally slandering individuals that do not support Obama or contribute to Mitt campaign. These are nothing short of the tactics common street thugs use."

I have a very bad habit of reading the entire post and in that quote he alludes to the Obama guys and the Romney donors. He may have put it in the wrong thread...dont know, but he even mentions the contributions.

Pretty clear and now you use it for a different reason......just ask that you read before you react.

Again..the quote that you are using does not refer to the reason you are using it.

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OK....slowly now....this is the quote you are using, originally used by RUBICON in post #3

"The Obama Team continues with their hit list. Intentionally slandering individuals that do not support Obama or contribute to Mitt campaign. These are nothing short of the tactics common street thugs use."

I have a very bad habit of reading the entire post and in that quote he alludes to the Obama guys and the Romney donors. He may have put it in the wrong thread...dont know, but he even mentions the contributions.

Pretty clear and now you use it for a different reason......just ask that you read before you react.

Again..the quote that you are using does not refer to the reason you are using it.

What is exactly libelous in the articles put on by the Obama campaign machine? Is this not information that can be obtained on reputable sites like the New York Times, Seattle Post Intelligencer, The Oregonian The Oregonian | Oregon Online Newspaper - OregonLive.com (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/), etc. Seattle news, sports, events, entertainment | seattlepi.com - seattlepi.com (http://www.seattlepi.com/)

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What is exactly libel in the articles put on by the Obama campain machine? Is this not information that can be obtained on reputable sites like the New York Times, Seattle Post, The Oregonian The Oregonian | Oregon Online Newspaper - OregonLive.com (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/), etc.

There have been at least TWO threads on this subject....I hope the Wall St Journal fits into your "reputable" site list !!!

Here is the latest but not the first.

And to your comment about reputable sites....please let me know when I use one that does not suit you. I pretty much double check most of the links I post and I suppose having you be my editor would be fine...you just let me know when I am not acceptable.

You folks are just amazing...Obama cannot be wrong...if someone says it, they are looking for money, the site is a whacko or something of that ilk. the man is like walking perfection. I suppose as you folks I should just bow down in awe and take whatever he says as gospel.....despite the lies.

I know, lets listen to some old high school chums from almost 50 years ago about a caper........NOW THAT is straight on.....and it has to be correct.

TWO threads on this AT LEAST on this forum

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There have been at least TWO threads on this subject....I hope the Wall St Journal fits into your "reputable" site list !!!

Here is the latest but not the first.

And to your comment about reputable sites....please let me know when I use one that does not suit you. I pretty much double check most of the links I post and I suppose having you be my editor would be fine...you just let me know when I am not acceptable.

You folks are just amazing...Obama cannot be wrong...if someone says it, they are looking for money, the site is a whacko or something of that ilk. the man is like walking perfection. I suppose as you folks I should just bow down in awe and take whatever he says as gospel.....despite the lies.

I know, lets listen to some old high school chums from almost 50 years ago about a caper........NOW THAT is straight on.....and it has to be correct.

TWO threads on this AT LEAST on this forum

You missed my point. That Wall Street Journal writer is a columnist who writes opinions about Washington D.C's politics.

Where does she say that this "hit list" has false information in it? From what I have looked at, the statements made about various Republican donors are about stuff that you can find out if you Google such and such's name. The Republicans have done similiar stuff in past campaigns with the attacks on various big donors to Super Pacs. They just have not called them "hit lists". OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting (http://www.opensecrets.org/)

I find this tactic offensive but it has been part of campaign strategies for a long time. And, it is not the candidates who are doing this but people in the campaigns who will do just about anything to get their candidate into office.

Journalists also are interested in who is making big political donations. A Picture Worth $325,000? - Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-02/news/mn-60471_1_picture-worth)

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You missed my point. That Wall Street Journal writer is a columnist who writes opinions about Washington D.C's politics.

Where does she say that this "hit list" has false information in it? From what I have looked at, the statements made about various Republican donors are about stuff that you can find out if you Google such and such's name. The Republicans have done similiar stuff in past campaigns with the attacks on various big donors to Super Pacs. They just have not called them "hit lists".

I find this tactic offensive but it has been part of campaign strategies for a long time. And, it is not the candidates who are doing this but people in the campaigns who will do just about anything to get their candidate into office.

Ok..let me phrase it another way...

Have you ever been to a website...EVER...where people were singled out and called criminals BECAUSE of the person to whom they donated money ?

Have you ever seen that ?

Now...second...

HAVE you ever seen a campaign BECAUSE of whom you donated money to hire folks to visit your home area and do investigations on you ?

Have you ever seen that ?

Now after you have done that.....show me anyone else OF ANY PARTY..Dem or Rep who have PUBLICLY called folks a criminal an then hired people to investigate them ?

I will wait for that because if that has been part of politics I have missed that totally. Investigate who they are...sure....if they have some questionable background, make it aware...sure.

BUT NEVER TO CALL YOU A CRIMINAL JUST BECAUSE YOU GAVE MONEY TO AN OPPONENT AND TO DO IT PUBLICLY AND ONLINE

"...has been part of campaign strategies for a long time."

Give me just ONE example and I will shut up on this and if the Democratic party did this and hired the investigators on DONORS, then trust me...OBAMA campaign is aware of it.

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Ok..let me phrase it another way...

Have you ever been to a website...EVER...where people were singled out and called criminals BECAUSE of the person to whom they donated money ?

Have you ever seen that ?

Now...second...

HAVE you ever seen a campaign BECAUSE of whom you donated money to hire folks to visit your home area and do investigations on you ?

Have you ever seen that ?

Now after you have done that.....show me anyone else OF ANY PARTY..Dem or Rep who have PUBLICLY called folks a criminal an then hired people to investigate them ?

I will wait for that because if that has been part of politics I have missed that totally. Investigate who they are...sure....if they have some questionable background, make it aware...sure.

BUT NEVER TO CALL YOU A CRIMINAL JUST BECAUSE YOU GAVE MONEY TO AN OPPONENT AND TO DO IT PUBLICLY AND ONLINE

"...has been part of campaign strategies for a long time."

Give me just ONE example and I will shut up on this and if the Democratic party did this and hired the investigators on DONORS, then trust me...OBAMA campaign is aware of it.

It's not because they have donated to Mitt Romney that they are being labelled "criminals." Look at the actual websites that the WSJ journalist points to. The point that the Obama campaign people have been making is that some of Mitt Romney's big Super PAC donors have "questionable" backgrounds. Strassel: The President Has a List - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304723304577368280604524916.html)

This is the "hit list" from Team Obama (NOT OBAMA but "Team Obama)-- Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney’s donors — Keeping GOP Honest (http://www.keepinggophonest.com/behind-the-curtain-a-brief-history-of-romneys-donors/)

And, where does it say that the Democratic party hired investigators to get dirt on big time donors? Googling someone is not the same as using a PI.

I see that a PI was hired by someone in Washington but that there is no solid connection to Obama. Strassel: Trolling for Dirt on the President's List - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/potomac_watch.html)

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It's not because they have donated to Mitt Romney that they are being labelled "criminals." Look at the actual websites that the WSJ journalist points to. The point that the Obama campaign people have been making is that some of Mitt Romney's big Super PAC donors have "questionable" backgrounds. Strassel: The President Has a List - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304723304577368280604524916.html)

And, where does it say that the Democratic party hired investigators to get dirt on big time donors? Googling someone is not the same as using a PI.

I see that a PI was hired by someone in Washington but that there is no solid connection to Obama. Strassel: Trolling for Dirt on the President's List - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/potomac_watch.html)

Okay...I am done !

You can make excuses all you want...and wait for the next high school story to break..that will satisfy you.

Obama good...Obama perfect...Obama omnipotent..never could happen...just keep defending as he lies to you.

No more from me on this....if you find this hard to accept then again..back to the high school stories and you folks can enjoy tittering on that. If you didnt read it all, the WSJ should bow down to you guys...and stop hiring these reporters..just check with you !!1

I hope the Republicans bring it all out...you folks will not believe that your party and your guy in the WH would do this, but you believe...never mind..this is a lost cause !

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Okay...I am done !

You can make excuses all you want...and wait for the next high school story to break..that will satisfy you.

Obama good...Obama perfect...Obama omnipotent..never could happen...just keep defending as he lies to you.

No more from me on this....if you find this hard to accept then again..back to the high school stories and you folks can enjoy tittering on that. If you didnt read it all, the WSJ should bow down to you guys...and stop hiring these reporters..just check with you !!1

I hope the Republicans bring it all out...you folks will not believe that your party and your guy in the WH would do this, but you believe...never mind..this is a lost cause !

I wrote somewhere on TOTV's Political Forum that both Obama and Romney's high school histories were largely irrelevant to the men both have become.

I never said Barack Obama is perfect nor do I worship him as some have alleged on TOTV.

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I wrote somewhere on TOTV's Political Forum that both Obama and Romney's high school histories were largely irrelevant to the men both have become.

I never said Barack Obama is perfect nor do I worship him as some have alleged on TOTV.

If you actually read the WSJ articles about the actions and you still find nothing wrong, then I am sorry but you do worship him. I thought and think the writer in both articles made it very clear and concise as to what was happening and why. AND who is behind it. You didn't I suppose and that is fine. If you want an article that mentions him by name, that aint gonna happen, but do you think the Dem party does such things without his campaign knowing it. Come on

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Citizens or illegal aliens? Yes I use the term illegal aliens not undocumented persons.

And, pray tell, how can you determine whether a person is a citizen or illegal just by looking at them? :mad:

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And, pray tell, how can you determine whether a person is a citizen or illegal just by looking at them? :mad:

Nope, ask for their ID.

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Nope, ask for their ID.

Pretty simple, hey ?

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Pretty simple, hey ?

You bet.

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Naw.

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Asking for ID for just looking Mexican is a violation of 4th Amendment rights. Remember, lots of people in Arizona who are US citizens are of Mexican background. If you were stopped every 3 blocks (for example) and asked for "your papers, please", I doubt if you would like it very much.

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I am asked for an ID every time I play golf both in the club house and again at the starter shack. I am not offended, it is a necessity in this world we live in today. If you are stopped three time in a few blocks, it has more to do with your activity than your sombrero.

IN MY OPINION, BEING OVER SENSITIVE TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS LEADS TO AIDING AND ABETTING OF CRIME. Let our protection officers do their job.

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Maybe you don't understand the power that a sheriff has in his own terrority. Might just be that some of those boys from DOJ might be wearing pink undies for a while.

Here's an idea. Why don't you & ole Joe leave this country where citizens are entitled to their civil rights & go start your own police state somewhere. I'm sure the almighty sheriff would be really impressed with your illustrious, distinguished career in law enforcement, not to mention all of your NRA diplomas, certificates & ribbons.