Far right wing extremism in Europe and the US.

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Right-Wing Extremism - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten (http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/right_wing_extremism/)

This English edition of the German newspaper Spiegel describes Neo-Nazis as extremists of the far right. That kind of fits with the far right ideas of skinheads in the US like the skinhead who shot up the Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

In contrast, Hitler's Nazis were fascists though responding to the economic problems of the times (1920s and 1930s). They pitted liberals/communists and others from the left against those from the right like big businesses in Germany by scapegoating Jews and many others. Nazis and other 1920s/1930s Fascists had a heavy nationalist and military component and were bent on conquests. Different time, different country, different cultures in play.

Hitler and his henchmen used the fears and insecurities of his countrymen to lie his way into power and then kept that power through further lies and massive violence. A very thoughtful book about Hitler's rise to power is How Do You Kill 11 Million People http://michaelhyatt.com/how-do-you-kill-11-million-people.html. The book by Andy Andrews is about 40 pages of argument/historical analysis and then another 30 of additional commentary. You can probably read it in less than an hour.

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What I don't understand is why these extreme factions has such hatred of the Government. Maybe our government is too big, but just imagine the chaos without a government at all. That would be far worse. (only in my Opinion)

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What I don't understand is why these extreme factions has such hatred of the Government. Maybe our government is too big, but just imagine the chaos without a government at all. That would be far worse. (only in my Opinion)

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Some of these extremist right groups try to create their own government. I encountered people thinking along these lines in the late 1980s while representing inmates at Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater. You could not argue with prisoners who thought that the government no longer had any authority over them.

The Sovereign Movement in the US does seem to have some parallels to Hitler's group in the early 1920s before the Nazis starting getting the backing of various big businesses. Sovereign Citizens Movement Resurging | Southern Poverty Law Center (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/return-of-the-sovereigns)

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We'd better wait until the infallibe expert weighs in. :wave:

Sorta interested too in what some of the people on the right think about How Do to Kill 11 Million People. Not sure what the politics of its writer Andy Andrews are. http://www.christianbook.com/million-people-truth-matters-than-think/andy-andrews/9780849948350/pd/948350

Cannot see how many people can get at the truth about the political candidates in the US when so much of the media insist on spreading fictions about various candidates. Andrews' book is about the importance of citizens being very well informed about what positions their candidate actually take rather than what say political action committees claim that have taken.

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Sorta interested too in what some of the people on the right think about How Do to Kill 11 Million People. Not sure what the politics of its writer Andy Andrews are. Christianbook.com: How Do You Kill 11 Million People?: Why the Truth Matters More Than You Think: Andy Andrews: 9780849948350 (http://www.christianbook.com/million-people-truth-matters-than-think/andy-andrews/9780849948350/pd/948350)

Cannot see how many people can get at the truth about the political candidates in the US when so much of the media insist on spreading fictions about various candidates. Andrews' book is about the importance of citizens being very well informed about what positions their candidate actually take rather than what say political action committees claim that have taken.

I ask this question with all seriousness, because I cannot figure out what point you are making with this entire thread !

There are extremist of many different stripes on all sides of the political spectrum. Books have been written also about left wing extremism.

Is your point to be an academic discussion OR are you trying to make some point that relates to our country and if so, what is it ?

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I ask this question with all seriousness, because I cannot figure out what point you are making with this entire thread !

There are extremist of many different stripes on all sides of the political spectrum. Books have been written also about left wing extremism.

Is your point to be an academic discussion OR are you trying to make some point that relates to our country and if so, what is it ?

Trying to get you to read Andy Andrews's book How Do You Kill 11 Million People. For all I know, he could be a big fan of Mitt Romney. He does not get into US politics in 2012. His main point is that we should think for ourselves and determine for ourselves who is telling the truth about various political positions and not let political action committees or others make up our minds.

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Trying to get you to read Andy Andrews's book How Do You Kill 11 Million People. For all I know, he could be a big fan of Mitt Romney. He does not get into US politics in 2012. His main point is that we should think for ourselves and determine for ourselves who is telling the truth about various political positions and not let political action committees or others make up our minds.

He is a motivational speaker of some sort, and why you mention Romney troubles me...this "academic" threads seem to have a common theme !!

I am not going to buy his book....and I already do think for myself..listening to any super PAC, LIBERAL as well as conservative is deafening and never true and always distrorted.

Again, why did you pick RIGHT WING?

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Andy Andrews on the media’s failure as a watchdog | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/28/andy-andrews-on-the-medias-failure-as-a-watchdog/)

Anyone who follows TOTV knows I am a liberal. I do keep track of those posters who seem to be far from liberals. Andrews could be speaking about Obama in his book. I do not know. He is a corporate motivational speaker.

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Andy Andrews on the media’s failure as a watchdog | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/28/andy-andrews-on-the-medias-failure-as-a-watchdog/)

Anyone who follows TOTV knows I am a liberal. I do keep track of those posters who seem to be far from liberals.

So it is pointing out that there are some conservatives that are extreme....will give some links that are more current than the second world war of extreme liberalism, which by the way is pretty rampant, Soon as I return f

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Right-Wing Extremism - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten (http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/right_wing_extremism/)

This English edition of the German newspaper Spiegel describes Neo-Nazis as extremists of the far right. That kind of fits with the far right ideas of skinheads in the US like the skinhead who shot up the Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

In contrast, Hitler's Nazis were fascists though responding to the economic problems of the times (1920s and 1930s). They pitted liberals/communists and others from the left against those from the right like big businesses in Germany by scapegoating Jews and many others. Nazis and other 1920s/1930s Fascists had a heavy nationalist and military component and were bent on conquests. Different time, different country, different cultures in play.

Hitler and his henchmen used the fears and insecurities of his countrymen to lie his way into power and then kept that power through further lies and massive violence. A very thoughtful book about Hitler's rise to power is How Do You Kill 11 Million People How Do You Kill 11 Million People: An Interview with Andy Andrews [Video] | Michael Hyatt (http://michaelhyatt.com/how-do-you-kill-11-million-people.html). The book by Andy Andrews is about 40 pages of argument/historical analysis and then another 30 of additional commentary. You can probably read it in less than an hour.

As I pointed out to Buggy in another thread, the Nazis were left-wing not right wing. If you read the histories of the period, rather than repeating press related nonsense, you will discover this on your own. Here is the post I made:

Buggy, as I have pointed out before William L. Shirer in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is very clear and objective in his description of Nazism. It is clear from any historical analysis that the Nazi's were left wing and competed with the communists for the left wing vote. The conservatives did not vote for either of these parties. The Nazi's used the Reichstag fire as evidence (most believe forged evidence) that the communists were truing to take over Germany. As a result the Nazi's won a majority in the next election and the rest, as they say, is history. It's time forr you to actually read some books on the history of that period rather than urging others to do so in order to conceal your ignorance of the subject. You should start with Shirer and then go on to "In the Garden of Beasts" by Larson.

BTW, the opposite of both Communism and Nazism is freedom.
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I actually have a problem with the word "extremism" and then alluding to "nazis",,,,the entire thing is somewhat offensive and as strongly as I feel about things....well for example, Bush was denegrated as a nazi....that is the word used by the left because of what he did after 9/11 yet today we kill more innocent people with drones based on a decision by one man (see kill lists) with not even discussion, and we spy on more americans than ever before, and yet to use the word "extremism" and "nazi" is disturbing to me.

This thread makes implications that I find very offensive....and as I take my leave, let me leave you with an article that is recent that points out some things that are pertitent.

" Don't you find it odd that the word extremism seems to apply only to conservative Republicans? Terminology often drives political discourse and those who control the terms often determine the outcome.

Establishment Republicans have too often been uncomfortable in their own skin. When they win elections, they sometimes seem unsure of what to do next. Democrats never seem to have this problem. They operate according to their core convictions and are never considered extreme. Instead, they are moderate, even normal. When Republicans stick to their convictions, they are branded with a scarlet “E.”

Cal Thomas: What about liberal extremism? | Salisbury, NC - Salisbury Post (http://www.salisburypost.com/Opinion/061912-edit-cal-thomas-qcd)

I see no purpose anywhere for a thread like this, but not my call....just wonder about the thought process that accompanies this.

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As I pointed out to Buggy in another thread, the Nazis were left-wing not right wing. If you read the histories of the period, rather than repeating press related nonsense, you will discover this on your own. Here is the post I made:

Buggy, as I have pointed out before William L. Shirer in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is very clear and objective in his description of Nazism. It is clear from any historical analysis that the Nazi's were left wing and competed with the communists for the left wing vote. The conservatives did not vote for either of these parties. The Nazi's used the Reichstag fire as evidence (most believe forged evidence) that the communists were truing to take over Germany. As a result the Nazi's won a majority in the next election and the rest, as they say, is history. It's time forr you to actually read some books on the history of that period rather than urging others to do so in order to conceal your ignorance of the subject. You should start with Shirer and then go on to "In the Garden of Beasts" by Larson.

BTW, the opposite of both Communism and Nazism is freedom.
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Hate to tell you this but the Nazis were far right wing. They believed in militarism, nationalism, big business, state religions (Hitler was very religious in his own very strange way), and other such tenets of the far right. The Nazi regime actually executed a number of people for being liberals. That was their only crime that they were liberals. The Nazis in Germany needed big business to keep and gain power and got their support mainly by using big business's support to attack Communists.

I have a B.A. in History and have read quite a bit about the Fascists in Italy, Spain, and Germany. They were nothing like any liberals at any other time nor in any other countries. So, I see no basis to any kind of argument that the Nazi Fascist were in any sense of the left wing but were of the far right wing.

I do find trying to put the Germany of the 1920s and 1930s into the politics of the US in the 2012s rather ridiculous though. There are a lot of rather obscene arguments being made on the Internet that the Nazis were precursors of Obama's socialism. I find that extremely offensive.

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Of course the Nazi movement is the extreme right wing element. If anyone has done any reading on the matter, they would understand that.

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Of course the Nazi movement is the extreme right wing element. If anyone has done any reading on the matter, they would understand that.

I looked at one of my history books-- J.A.S. Grenville's A History of the World in the Twentieth Century which has a section on the failure of parliamentary democracy in Germany and the Rise of Hitler. On page 196, Grenville describes some of the various lies that brought the right-wing extremist Nazis to power through clever manipulation of nationalism, anti-Semitism, anti-Communism, and Social Darwinism.