Help me understand the Ryan Budget Plan

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It is so complicated, I get lost in the spaces between paragraphs. I do not care if the snail darter remains on the endangered species list. Stop giving a single dollar to UNICORN, and so many others. OK I get that. BUT

I know of widows that live on less than 700 dollars in SS. Will they be cut even more????

Will the truly working poor still have an avenue for doctor care???

WILL THERE BE A PLAN TO CARE FOR OUR ELDERLY, POOR AND DISABLED CITIZENS under his proposed plan???

As much time as I spend on this board I guess I should know this already, but I do not and I am searching.

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It is so complicated, I get lost in the spaces between paragraphs. I do not care if the snail darter remains on the endangered species list. Stop giving a single dollar to UNICORN, and so many others. OK I get that. BUT

I know of widows that live on less than 700 dollars in SS. Will they be cut even more????

Will the truly working poor still have an avenue for doctor care???

WILL THERE BE A PLAN TO CARE FOR OUR ELDERLY, POOR AND DISABLED CITIZENS under his proposed plan???

As much time as I spend on this board I guess I should know this already, but I do not and I am searching.


This goes over some of the Paul Ryan budget plan. Guess what? No defense budget cuts.

Budget hawk: A closer look at the Ryan plan | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/closer-look-ryan-budget-170813588.html)

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This goes over some of the Paul Ryan budget plan. Guess what? No defense budget cuts.

Budget hawk: A closer look at the Ryan plan | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/closer-look-ryan-budget-170813588.html)

Thank you. I read it and still a little fuzzy on what each cut would actually mean to poor and seniors, but if it would balance the budget, I like what I read. For months I have felt Ryan would be a good pick but then I am all about deficit reduction.

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Thank you. I read it and still a little fuzzy on what each cut would actually mean to poor and seniors, but if it would balance the budget, I like what I read. For months I have felt Ryan would be a good pick but then I am all about deficit reduction.

Sure....to hell with senior and the poor as long as I am still comfortable. :ohdear:

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Sure....to hell with senior and the poor as long as I am still comfortable. :ohdear:

Well, I did not mean it that definite. I want budget balance but I also want the poor and seniors WELL cared for. Can we have both? Maybe not, but I most of all do not want the US to go bankrupt.

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Thank you. I read it and still a little fuzzy on what each cut would actually mean to poor and seniors, but if it would balance the budget, I like what I read. For months I have felt Ryan would be a good pick but then I am all about deficit reduction.

The existing Ryan plan....

DOES NOT, IN ANYWAY, IN ANY AREA TOUCH ANYONE OVER 55 !!!!!!!!

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Suppose that you just moved to The Villages and you are a recent widower. So you go down to the local square and there you find a beautiful young thing that makes you feel 20 again. You get caught up in it all and marry her. A year later you see that your retirment savings is getting dangerously low. You approach your young wife and ask that she stop filing her nails and listen to you. You explain that you want her to have everything her heart desires but that the reality is that personal budgets, in fact every budget corproration government, etc must have priorities.

So you go about explaining the basics, food shelter and clothing. When you come to clothing she gets really excited so its OK if I get that new pair of Luboutin heels? No no you say I mean basic clothing needs. Well then she says does food mean we can still go out for all our meals because I ain't cooking and getting my hands raw. No no, I'll cook so we can save some money.

Well you aren't going to stop us going out every night are you. Well I do believe we do spent way too much for entertainment vactions to exotic places and that sort of thing.

She says, you know you ain't fun anymore I want a divorce. And he says well you know I think that even with a divorce settlement I can still hold my head above water and rebuild my reserves because you ae just too much of a spendthrift and not much of an earner and it can't continue that way.

Paul Ryan is a good human being and he is not going to hurt needy people but rather focus on irresponsible spending. But be confident that Obama will try and scare the bejesus out of specified groups of people like seniors

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The existing Ryan plan....

DOES NOT, IN ANYWAY, IN ANY AREA TOUCH ANYONE OVER 55 !!!!!!!!


So that makes it OK? As long as it doesn't effect me? That's a bit egocentric and selfish is you ask me. Kinda like Ayn Rand. :ohdear:

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Just ONCE I'd like to hear a politician address wasteful spending. The government wastes hundreds of billions of dollars every year. What about that?

There are dozens and dozens of programs that are duplicated. There is so much fraud, waste and abuse of tax payers money it's scary. I'll bet that in itself would go along way to help cutting the deficit.

No one ever seems to talk about that on either side. Once any program is in place and I'm sure there are many 1000's of them, they only grow in cost and waste. Not one of them is ever audited to see if it's even effective.

The left always demonizes the rich but the real crooks are right under their own nose. The government.

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Just ONCE I'd like to hear a politician address wasteful spending. The government wastes hundreds of billions of dollars every year. What about that?

There are dozens and dozens of programs that are duplicated. There is so much fraud, waste and abuse of tax payers money it's scary. I'll bet that in itself would go along way to help cutting the deficit.

No one ever seems to talk about that on either side. Once any program is in place and I'm sure there are many 1000's of them, they only grow in cost and waste. Not one of them is ever audited to see if it's even effective.

The left always demonizes the rich but the real crooks are right under their own nose. The government.

Each program is in one of the politicians district so he/she won't say anything.

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So that makes it OK? As long as it doesn't effect me? That's a bit egocentric and selfish is you ask me. Kinda like Ayn Rand. :ohdear:

Yep, I would say it would make it okay with me, the social programs we have in place now aren't working anyway.

What's with all the Ayn Rand comments, read her books back in the day, found them entertaining, isn't she long dead?

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There in lies our problem. So what do we do, let the government keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and spend more and more and more? Will Obama get control of it? I think not. In fact quite the oposite, everyone knows Obama is for larger government, not smaller.

To get this under control, it's gonna sting. But guess what, we're going broke and so is Medicare, Medicaid and SSI. All the tax increases you can think of on the rich won't change a damn thing. All it will do is give Obama and the other politicians more money to flush down the toilet.

The government is OUT OF CONTROL and Obama ain't the guy to fix it. So will Romney? Not sure but in my mind we'll have a better chance at least.

Government is never the answer... it's the problem.

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According to the Ryan Budget, Mitt Romney's new effective tax rate would be .82%. That is correct, under 1%. No wonder he is cheering on the Ryan Budget.

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According to the Ryan Budget, Mitt Romney's new effective tax rate would be .82%. That is correct, under 1%. No wonder he is cheering on the Ryan Budget.

Please supply a link to validate this claim ? Thank you

I actually found your link...the good old ATLANTIC...I do look for facts...just wanted you to know that.

Since the ONLY tax they spent anytime on was Romney and by the way they actually got the percentage wrong on that but I will post to you when I find a comparison of one individual person, although the discussion should be about the pluses and minus of the cuts that may or may not allow what you say....but then the idea is to destroy the man, not what is best for the country !

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All I hear over and over and over and over and over is the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more. Over and over and over for the democrats. Are you people fixated on others that have more than you?

Ok, so lets say for the sake of argument I agree. We'll tax the rich more. Give Obama the over $250,000 tax increase. Ok great, done. That funds about 8.5 days more a year of the government.

Now what?

GUESS WHAT?? We're stil broke. Tax all the millionaires and billionaires at 100%

GUESS WHAT?? We're still broke.

Seriously, I'd like to to hear from the lefties, what next?

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Please supply a link to validate this claim ? Thank you

I actually found your link...the good old ATLANTIC...I do look for facts...just wanted you to know that.

Since the ONLY tax they spent anytime on was Romney and by the way they actually got the percentage wrong on that but I will post to you when I find a comparison of one individual person, although the discussion should be about the pluses and minus of the cuts that may or may not allow what you say....but then the idea is to destroy the man, not what is best for the country !

Google Romney would pay .82% taxes under Ryan Budget and 680,000 results pop up. Take your choice of links.


Mitt Romney Would Pay 0.82 Percent in Taxes Under Paul Ryan's Plan - Matthew O'Brien - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/mitt-romney-would-pay-082-percent-in-taxes-under-paul-ryans-plan/261027/)

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All I hear over and over and over and over and over is the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more. Over and over and over for the democrats. Are you people fixated on others that have more than you?

Ok, so lets say for the sake of argument I agree. We'll tax the rich more. Give Obama the over $250,000 tax increase. Ok great, done. That funds about 8.5 days more a year of the government.

Now what?

GUESS WHAT?? We're stil broke. Tax all the millionaires and billionaires at 100%

GUESS WHAT?? We're still broke.

Seriously, I'd like to to hear from the lefties, what next?

DKLASSEN....THANK YOU !

The mathmatics of what he keeps saying has been proven to be totally inaccurate and of no value yet he keeps saying it. It serves the class warfare dialogue !

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They just harp on the same thing over and over again but the fact is, there is no what next. It doesn't change a damn thing. We're still broke.

I just turned 53 today so I'm one of those two years under Paul Ryan's 55 years and older nothing changes plan.

In 12 years when I retire, Medicare is broke. Where does that leave me? Will taxing the rich fix it all? Hell no because the government will just blow the money on something else.

All I hear is a democratic broken record. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. It's starting to get sickening.

Government is spending us into the sewer and all the libs have to say is tax the rich.

No budget in almost 4 years form the democrats. Where's their plan?

Oh wait, I remember what is was. Tax the rich.

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OK we get the oppositions ongoing predictable responses. So do a little more than the partisan bash or translating what the opposition proposes to your liking and enlighten us what Obama's plan to make sure what you accuse Romney/Ryan of will not happen, how he intends to do it and how he will pay for it?

btk

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Of the last three posts, I can't find anything to disagree with.

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It is so complicated, I get lost in the spaces between paragraphs. I do not care if the snail darter remains on the endangered species list. Stop giving a single dollar to UNICORN, and so many others. OK I get that. BUT

I know of widows that live on less than 700 dollars in SS. Will they be cut even more????

Will the truly working poor still have an avenue for doctor care???

WILL THERE BE A PLAN TO CARE FOR OUR ELDERLY, POOR AND DISABLED CITIZENS under his proposed plan???

As much time as I spend on this board I guess I should know this already, but I do not and I am searching.The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

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The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

GOOD post !!!

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Sure....to hell with senior and the poor as long as I am still comfortable. :ohdear:


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The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

I agree 100%. My problem is I don't see anyone in wash saying THIS program or THAT program is canceled. I think it has to do with favors and payoffs and bribery. I await the debates and I will vote for the one that gives names and assures me he will kick butt.

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When the military says they don't want a new weapon system or a new plane or a new boat as it does nothing to improve preparedness ... That would seem to be a no brainer to cut that program. When are we going to close the bases in Japan and Korea left over from wars that ended over 50 yrs ago? The DOD has a plan http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_Budget_Priorities.pdf
The Ryan budget does NOT allow for these cuts. But really the Ryan budget is not an issue in this election. The VP does not have any role in the budget unless there is a tie in the senate. What is the Romney Budget? Have we seen any details? Will he say whether he does or does not support the Ryan plan? Will he waffle and say he thinks it is a good blueprint but will refuse to say which parts he supports and which parts he opposes? Will he agree with ending the present structure of Medicare and going to a voucher plan?

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All I hear over and over and over and over and over is the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more. Over and over and over for the democrats. Are you people fixated on others that have more than you?

Ok, so lets say for the sake of argument I agree. We'll tax the rich more. Give Obama the over $250,000 tax increase. Ok great, done. That funds about 8.5 days more a year of the government.

Now what?

GUESS WHAT?? We're stil broke. Tax all the millionaires and billionaires at 100%

GUESS WHAT?? We're still broke.


Seriously, I'd like to to hear from the lefties, what next?


When will you guys realize this is symptomatic of total disdain for the middle class, people like you and me, unless you happen to be one of the 1% in which case you should be be out on a yacht or on the campaign trail instead of posting on a political forum.

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When the military says they don't want a new weapon system or a new plane or a new boat as it does nothing to improve preparedness ... That would seem to be a no brainer to cut that program. When are we going to close the bases in Japan and Korea left over from wars that ended over 50 yrs ago? The DOD has a plan http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_Budget_Priorities.pdf
The Ryan budget does NOT allow for these cuts. But really the Ryan budget is not an issue in this election. The VP does not have any role in the budget unless there is a tie in the senate. What is the Romney Budget? Have we seen any details? Will he say whether he does or does not support the Ryan plan? Will he waffle and say he thinks it is a good blueprint but will refuse to say which parts he supports and which parts he opposes? Will he agree with ending the present structure of Medicare and going to a voucher plan?


Yeah...if you check his website and various speeches but it sort of comes down to...you show me yours, and I will show you mine since our country has had NO budget at all for 3 years !!!!!!!

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Yeah...if you check his website and various speeches but it sort of comes down to...you show me yours, and I will show you mine since our country has had NO budget at all for 3 years !!!!!!!

Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/documents/2012budget-full-summary.html)
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview)

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

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So what good is a budget anyway if their spending continues to exceeds allocations by a long shot?

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Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/documents/2012budget-full-summary.html)
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview)

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

If you say so.....

"President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year."

Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/16/obama-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/)

If you think this is the way to run the country and you guys have had TOTAL control for two years and the WH for the last three....

I suppose this is what the leadership in the oval office wants...

"The cost, say analysts, is that Congress is once again allowing the federal budget process to remain rudderless and lawmakers unaccountable as the nation lurches toward fiscal crisis.

“Congress is legally required to consider a budget resolution every year, but there’s no penalty for not doing it, and no one has any standing to sue,” says Stan Collender, a longtime congressional budget analyst with Qorvis Communications in Washington.

Historically, the job of proposing and approving a budget has been a crucial one for the Congress.

While actual line-by-line spending decisions are made later, during the appropriations process, the budget is the one federal document that lays out a vision for the nation's finances. It is designed to be the moment when Congress takes a hard look at the books and makes sound plans for America's fiscal future.

The lack of a budget plan for the past three years has exacerbated America's fiscal problems because, for three years, Congress has not passed a roadmap to bring spiraling deficits under control. "

No budget? No problem! The Politics Behind Budgetless America - US Politics - CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/id/46397966/No_Budget_No_Problem_The_Strange_Politics_of_a_Bud getless_America)

Now all that financial woe is about to come down on us right after the election. All the lack of discipline will show its face and the cuts that all are moaning about today within the Ryan budget will NEED to be made anyway, THUS why not an honest debate instead of the constant onslaught of tax the rich, which EVERY economist in the country and I mean all will tell you that will not alone even scratch the surface of our problems, yet we continue on like innocent children.....one side wants to discuss it, unpleasant as it may be because it is inevitable, and the other side simply ridicules people and tries to destroy individuals instead of discussing what this country will face.

Of course you can have it anyway you want, that is what you can do.

[Guest]

Mitt Romney must not be too sure that the Ryan Budget is going to over too well in Florida, as NBC News has just reported that Paul Ryan will not be accompaning Romney to Florida tomorrow, but instead traveling to Iowa.

[Guest]

Mitt Romney must not be too sure that the Ryan Budget is going to over too well in Florida, as NBC News has just reported that Paul Ryan will not be accompaning Romney to Florida tomorrow, but instead traveling to Iowa.

Why would that be ? Explain ?

[Guest]

Maybe it means that Rep. Ryan's budget plan with the changes he wants in Medicare and Social Security would not go over in Florida.

Maybe it means that Ryan would have to explain in detail by what he means by Natural Law. Does it have to do with the Natural Law Party?

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Maybe it means that Rep. Ryan's budget plan with the changes he wants in Medicare and Social Security would not go over in Florida.

Maybe it means that Ryan would have to explain in detail by what he means by Natural Law. Does it have to do with the Natural Law Party?

What is in his budget that would affect anyone over 55 ?

On Natural law he refers to the constitution of the United States...you folks heard of it, right ?


"The classic definition of "natural rights" are "life, liberty, and property", but these need to be expanded somewhat. They are rights of "personhood", not "citizenship". These rights are not all equally basic, but form a hierarchy of derivation, with those listed later being generally derived from those listed earlier."

http://constitution.org/powright.htm

If you are still confused, it is the doctrine on which this country is supposed to be running !

Although you are way off topic here, I wont report you !

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with no knowledge or insight to why they are splitting up (which they said they were going to do) it is so nice to reach conclusions that convey what you would like to have others think is the problem.

Some of us know better.

btk

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According to the Ryan Budget, Mitt Romney's new effective tax rate would be .82%. That is correct, under 1%. No wonder he is cheering on the Ryan Budget.
Interesting. Could you cut and past that section of the budget so I can understand the calculations?

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Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/documents/2012budget-full-summary.html)
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview)

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a budget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

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while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a bidget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

Now, that is what I am talkin" bout !!!

This president is hell bent on tearing us apart. After calling all the Republicans, both house and senate names.....after the misleading he has done and as you point out.....his complete VOID of leadership how can he ever get anything at all done !

This man has blamed everyone for what has happened, without nary an attempt to bring us together. When he had control of BOTH houses of congress, he just never even spoke to anyone...he got through all he wanted to get through while he had that control. Look around....this is what he created, but it is all someone elses fault !

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while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a budget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

Now, that is what I am talkin" bout !!!

This president is hell bent on tearing us apart. After calling all the Republicans, both house and senate names.....after the misleading he has done and as you point out.....his complete VOID of leadership how can he ever get anything at all done !

This man has blamed everyone for what has happened, without nary an attempt to bring us together. When he had control of BOTH houses of congress, he just never even spoke to anyone...he got through all he wanted to get through while he had that control. Look around....this is what he created, but it is all someone elses fault !

These two posts say everything I'm thinking about this President and his abdication of any responsibility in passing a budget, when he's shown no leadership on this issue and instead has only cast blame on others.

The malpractice of the lamestream mainstream media is complicit in his ability to shield his utter "failure".
(I put that in quotes, because I'm not convinced Obama isn't courting fiscal disaster with purpose)

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there is absolutely no excuse for not having a budget.
This is one of the more simple of the reasons I lost confidence in him ever doing anything. There is always a reason or an explanation or some one telling us what he meant or did not mean.

It is always some one else's fault why he or the dems do not have a budget. As long as they offer an excuse they feel they have done their job.

Well they have not. It is irresponsible to try to run any financial entity without a budget. To not have a budget and no one even raise holy hell to get it done very well demonstrates the complete lack of leadership, responsibility or accountability.

Same work habits as in his other part time job as a US Senator when a vote yea or nay was required he voted "present"....non commital, not responsible, do not dare take a stand in case there is a personal risk.

Those of you who either have a comfort with not having a budget or helping him make excuses either do not understand the process or don't care.

This is one of the reasons Ryan will be a plus in the next administration!!!

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the government doesn't reduce the deficit by deducting the same percentage from all programs...Is this just too simple

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Some programs need to go period and some need more fundiing. God help those that have to make the call on the reductions.

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the government doesn't reduce the deficit by deducting the same percentage from all programs...Is this just too simple

I've often wondered the same thing...5-10% across the board...maybe not even that much...you're right...it may be too simple.

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Bucco continues to insist that there is no budget for the Obama years. The Federal Budget is defined as the President's proposal submitted to Congress for its consideration as an outline of his spending priorities for the next fiscal year. Congress then funds the government through various means including appropriations, continuing resolutions ...
From Wikipedia:

The Budget of the United States Government is the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it. A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills.

Every year Obama has submitted a budget as I documented. You may argue about his leadership ability but your recurring statement that there has been no budget is wrong. Which party is resposible for the lack of compromise in Washington? Which party had its top leadership declare that its main job was to do everything it could to make this a one term President (perhaps including keeping the economy as depressed as possible)
Here is Cantor on his willingness to compromise:

"House Republican leaders said Sunday his (Obama's) budget is DEAD ON ARRIVAL" (my caps)

Are you aware of the book by Grunwald detailing the GOP plan for "cooperation" with Obama which was launched even before he was in office? Read this carefully and then lecture me about the "failure" of Obama to reach across the aisle..

Grunwald has Joe Biden on the record making a striking charge. Biden says that during the transition, a number of Republican Senators privately confided to him that Mitch McConnell had given them the directive that there was to be no cooperation with the new administration — because he had decided that “we can’t let you succeed.” ...

Biden, of course, has a history of outsized comments. But two former Republican Senators are confirming the gist of the charges... Meanwhile, former Senator George Voinovich also goes on record telling Grunwald that

[B] Republican marching orders were to oppose everything the Obama administration proposed.

“If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich tells Grunwald. ... “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

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a PROPOSAL is not a budget.

An APPROVED budget is what we have not had for 3 years running.

There are no spending limits with no budget.

Many dems have stated it is better to stay away from budget discussions as it would surface too many embarassing questions that would not be good to come up around election time.....that was what was said before the 2010 mid terms and is for sure a subject they do not want to discuss now.

That is precisely the reason for the attacks on Ryan.

For those who thrive in an out of control spending, no budget, no accountability, no responsibility spending....their worst nightmare has just happened...ROMNEY PICKED RYAN!!!!!!

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For those who thrive in an out of control spending, no budget, no accountability, no responsibility spending

You mean liberals.

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a PROPOSAL is not a budget.

An APPROVED budget is what we have not had for 3 years running.

There are no spending limits with no budget.

Many dems have stated it is better to stay away from budget discussions as it would surface too many embarassing questions that would not be good to come up around election time.....that was what was said before the 2010 mid terms and is for sure a subject they do not want to discuss now.

That is precisely the reason for the attacks on Ryan.

For those who thrive in an out of control spending, no budget, no accountability, no responsibility spending....their worst nightmare has just happened...ROMNEY PICKED RYAN!!!!!!

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Obama has submitted his budget EVERY year he has been in office.

The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.

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blueash -
your copy/paste points are well made. but what they do not address is obama's failure to press for negotiation, compromise, and resolution. a leader does not accept intended defeat, roll over, get up and just cast blame on the opposition. a leader who cannot enter the front door tries the back door or any window that might be open! a real leader will bulldoze their way to get to the occupants if necessary! obama failed miserably at working around the blockades and thus, failed america, you, me and us! obama should have spent his time reading about the successful and failed american battlefield strategies rather than marxist literature so he would have an idea how to approach opposition!

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Obama has submitted his budget EVERY year he has been in office.

The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.

and just what did obama do to insure that his proposed budget got a fair hearing, evaluation, negotiation, compromise and resolution in congress?

please provide more than just a one or two or three line explanation if you can. i understand that ther might not be one which is that long.

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blueash's post is spot on - Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise.

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blueash's post is spot on - Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise.

apparently, obama is not either and prefers to use congress' inaction to cast blame only on the house and use harry reid and nancy pelosi only as shields. althought i don't believe nancy's announcement that she was visited by susan b anthony is gonna help her credibility!

still waiting for YOUR explanation instead of your reliance on another poster's info. i seriously want to understand your one/two liners and how you reach the conculsions you post. thanx

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apparently, obama is not either and prefers to use congress' inaction to cast blame only on the house and use harry reid and nancy pelosi only as shields. althought i don't believe nancy's announcement that she was visited by susan b anthony is gonna help her credibility!

still waiting for YOUR explanation instead of your reliance on another poster's info. i seriously want to understand your one/two liners and how you reach the conculsions you post. thanx








It doesn't take more than one line to say - " Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise"

What part of that one line don't you grasp?

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That is an excellent line to remember, Coralway.

Surprising that the tea party and their Republican toadies fail to understand the words "negotiate or compromise".

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In order for a leader to.. well lead s/he needs to gain the confidence, credibility and respect of those s/he leads. Given Obama's failed stewardship and even larger failed ideaology the only reason that Obama was not fired is that America doesn't fire presidents for poor performance , that is what re-elections are all about.

It is so apparent that the proposed budget submitted by Obama is one that fails to meet the acid test by members of both sides of the congressional aisle because its the same tired ideas that haven't worked for the last three years and in fact have dug us deeper into debt.

Obama despite his deflections owns this economy but he is a weak leader and will continue until his last breath to blame others.

Democratic strategist James Carvell has reiterated the Clintonian meme "Its the economy stupid". Is there any question that the only two people who can grow our economy are Romney and Ryan and not Obama and Biden. Is there any question that Obama and Biden recognize that fact and will hammer continuing scare tactics to the aged, and dole dependent.

Is there any question that a whole lot of people on food stamps, unemployment etc are proud people who want to earn a living once again and gain the respect they so well deserve and the two people who can grow the economy and thus jobs are Romney and Ryan.

Do Greece, spain, Italy and California's troubles come to resemble the social/economic agenda of the Democratic party and its pandering to unions and in particular public unions that are weighing down our debt more and more each year.

And we haven't even yet discussed Obama's failed ,military and foreign policies.

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That is an excellent line to remember, Coralway.

Surprising that the tea party and their Republican toadies fail to understand the words "negotiate or compromise".







Tough to figure out these people, buggy .............. it's like the Cons need a 10 paragraph explanation as what "negotiate or compromise" means.

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Tough to figure out these people, buggy .............. it's like the Cons need a 10 paragraph explanation as what "negotiate or compromise" means.

don't need an explanation of what it is - obama is the pure example of the failure to negotiate and compromise AND resolve! need to know why obama will not insist on that approach. that is a question the libs will not AND cannot answer! one-liner responses are proof of that. there is no explanation is a one-liner. obama will not and cannot respond to answer the question; and the same game plan is followed by the libs. thus, america loses.

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It doesn't take more than one line to say - " Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise"

What part of that one line don't you grasp?

i understand it only too well - and suffer for it because there is no president to lead and insist on negotiation, compromise and resolution. please tell me why the president will not lead and insist on it - i don't care what the congressional attitude is - i want to know what obama's excuse is. and if his excuse is that congress is not interested in negotiation, compromise, resolution - that just proves my point that the president is not a leader and refuses to be one!

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don't need an explanation of what it is - obama is the pure example of the failure to negotiate and compromise AND resolve! need to know why obama will not insist on that approach. that is a question the libs will not AND cannot answer! one-liner responses are proof of that. there is no explanation is a one-liner. obama will not and cannot respond to answer the question; and the same game plan is followed by the libs. thus, america loses.






The House is the pure example of the failure to negotiate and compromise AND resolve ! need to know why Boehner will not insist on that approach. That is the question the Cons will not AND cannot answer !

- see how that works?

By the way, in 2008 the american electorate voted for Obama's agenda - not Boehner's.

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still no real response to the excellant blueash post from the cons. Just more talking points and spin. Anyone who only and continually blames Obama and Dems for budget impasse are fooling themselves and have drunk too much Kool-aid. Open up your minds,please.

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Bucco continues to insist that there is no budget for the Obama years. The Federal Budget is defined as the President's proposal submitted to Congress for its consideration as an outline of his spending priorities for the next fiscal year. Congress then funds the government through various means including appropriations, continuing resolutions ...
From Wikipedia:

The Budget of the United States Government is the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it. A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills.

Every year Obama has submitted a budget as I documented. You may argue about his leadership ability but your recurring statement that there has been no budget is wrong. Which party is resposible for the lack of compromise in Washington? Which party had its top leadership declare that its main job was to do everything it could to make this a one term President (perhaps including keeping the economy as depressed as possible)
Here is Cantor on his willingness to compromise:

"House Republican leaders said Sunday his (Obama's) budget is DEAD ON ARRIVAL" (my caps)

Are you aware of the book by Grunwald detailing the GOP plan for "cooperation" with Obama which was launched even before he was in office? Read this carefully and then lecture me about the "failure" of Obama to reach across the aisle..

Grunwald has Joe Biden on the record making a striking charge. Biden says that during the transition, a number of Republican Senators privately confided to him that Mitch McConnell had given them the directive that there was to be no cooperation with the new administration — because he had decided that “we can’t let you succeed.” ...

Biden, of course, has a history of outsized comments. But two former Republican Senators are confirming the gist of the charges... Meanwhile, former Senator George Voinovich also goes on record telling Grunwald that

[B] Republican marching orders were to oppose everything the Obama administration proposed.

“If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich tells Grunwald. ... “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”


How dare you insult me !!!

In post #30 on this thread I gave you a response that you evidently do not want to accept event though it is factual and is common knowledge.

THERE IS NO BUDGET FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS NOT BEEN FOR 3 YEARS.

The Obama budget has been submitted...this from the Washington Newpaper that I included in my post...

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"President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year."

The House PASSED a budget...which the senate refused to consider....That is the democratic senate that voted also against the Obama budget

What are you people even talking about. What is their to negotiate now. The President walked out of a meeting with the leaders of congress about 1 1/2 years ago...just left the meeting and never even called anyone...the meeting was on our spending.

If you are to use my name, you better use it accurately. THERE IS NO BUDGET APPROVED BY CONGRESS WHERE THAT FUNNY PAPER YOU folks keep ignoring called the constitution says it should be approved. NOBODY has ever voted for the Presidents submission on the budget...NOBODY and that includes Democrats.

So let us review for those who are saying that "congress" refuses to negotiate...

.....Obama has offered a budget PROPOSAL each year. NOBODY, including Democrats have ever voted for it....NOBODY !!!

.....The only part of congress that complied with the constitution was the HOUSE who did in fact approve a budget and the senate will not discuss it and the president wont talk to anyone about it.

It is so sad when americans do not even know how the government of their own country works. I just checked the last post and another who does not even know what is happening in their own country......

AGAIN......

""President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year."

Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/16/obama-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/)

THIS INCLUDE DEMOCRATS......WAKE UP FOLKS...READ ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.

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still no real response to the excellant blueash post from the cons. Just more talking points and spin. Anyone who only and continually blames Obama and Dems for budget impasse are fooling themselves and have drunk too much Kool-aid. Open up your minds,please.

How many votes have the Democrats offered to the Obama budget PLEASE ?

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blueash's post is spot on - Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise.

You are right...at least the senate is not...they have refused to discuss or take any action on 30 bills that create jobs....and as unbelievable as it sounds, they refused to even talk about a bill to stop the stealing of taxpayer money by illegal immigrants in a much published scam they use. REFUSED TO ALLOW DISCUSSION.

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Isn't this the Plan Newt called "right wing social engineering"?

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PLEASE...all these posts on how we have a budget..how the Republicans are holding up the budget...continue your conversation keeping in mind the only part of congress that passed a budget was the house and the senate refused to even discuss it.

The senate also for three straight years has dealt the President a shutout on his proposals.

PLEASE, non stop saying things that are not true or even close to true must be exhausting but please continue !

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Isn't this the Plan Newt called "right wing social engineering"?

Not the point at all. You have made some harsh accusations and statements on this thread...I WANT to hear you back them up !

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The House is the pure example of the failure to negotiate and compromise AND resolve ! need to know why Boehner will not insist on that approach. That is the question the Cons will not AND cannot answer !

- see how that works?

By the way, in 2008 the american electorate voted for Obama's agenda - not Boehner's.

seems to work the same way that prince harry will not permit legislation sent to the senate by the house to come to the senate floor - no? guess the senate is an equally pure example of the 'failure to negotiate and compromise'

i see too well how that works - the same way that obama fails to negotiate and compromise, not to mention to resolve. boehner has stated that he is willing to sit down and talk to try to move toward resolution - too bad that harry, nancy and obama will not take him up on his offer.

re how the american electorate voted in 2008 - i pray every nite that they have seen the error of their way, have not suffered too much because of it, have learned from it and will correct it in 2012. based on interim elections, prayers migh just be at work.

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PLEASE....WHERE have all you accusers gone ?

Obama budget has been shot down by all politicans on both sides of the aisle...got it ?

Only folks who abided by our constitution was the house and the senate would not discuss that !

I am not shocked that you folks make false claims...I AM shocked that you dont even know what is going on in this country....oh, I am one who cannot wait for the debates !

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still no real response to the excellant blueash post from the cons. Just more talking points and spin. Anyone who only and continually blames Obama and Dems for budget impasse are fooling themselves and have drunk too much Kool-aid. Open up your minds,please.

waynet - i hope your post is not a reference to mine - for i have placed blame on dems/reps, senate/house for not negotiating, compromising, resolving...AND...have placed the blame for failing to insist on negotiating, compromising and resolving at the feet of obama - whose job as president of the united states of america is to lead the government and insure that the government is acting in the best interest of its people.

the job of the president of the united states of america is NOT to whine and stamp his feet in one tantrum after another - it is to lead!

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Not the point at all. You have made some harsh accusations and statements on this thread...I WANT to hear you back them up !






Gingrich Calls GOP Budget 'Right Wing Social Engineering' | PBS NewsHour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/05/gingrich-keeps-ryan-budget-at-arms-length.html)

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PLEASE....WHERE have all you accusers gone ?

Obama budget has been shot down by all politicans on both sides of the aisle...got it ?

Only folks who abided by our constitution was the house and the senate would not discuss that !

I am not shocked that you folks make false claims...I AM shocked that you dont even know what is going on in this country....oh, I am one who cannot wait for the debates !

bucco - recognition of that fact is not part of the democrat's play book - it admits that more than just the republicans/members of obama's own party do not support him and his budget. the dems get no campaign mileage out of such an admission so it is not a talking point.

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waynet - i hope your post is not a reference to mine - for i have placed blame on dems/reps, senate/house for not negotiating, compromising, resolving...AND...have placed the blame for failing to insist on negotiating, compromising and resolving at the feet of obama - whose job as president of the united states of america is to lead the government and insure that the government is acting in the best interest of its people.

the job of the president of the united states of america is NOT to whine and stamp his feet in one tantrum after another - it is to lead!

AMEN to your post NJ....but most of the whining and yelling on here is pure political nonsense.

The ONLY part of congress that did their duty was the house...the actually approved a budget BUT the senate would not even discuss i.

You can approve of the budget or not but they did their job.

Now the President did his job also...he submitted a budget (actually 3 of them)....all of them were "shut out".....all partied, both Democrat an Republican in both the house and senate voted against it.

So...this yelping about Republicans is like you folks dont even know this ....like it is a surprise, otherwise some of the things being said would not be said because frankly they are embarassing.

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bucco - recognition of that fact is not part of the democrat's play book - it admits that more than just the republicans/members of obama's own party do not support him and his budget. the dems get no campaign mileage out of such an admission so it is not a talking point.

It just scares me no end to think that people would come on here and post tripe and embarass themselves by saying things that are so easily, if you know anything, proven false.

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It is preposterous to say that the House did their job. All they did was pass radical, BS bills that they knew had no chance in the Senate and, frankly, that had very little support of the American people. Instead of focusing on jobs they focused on battering women.

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It is preposterous to say that the House did their job. All they did was pass radical, BS bills that they knew had no chance in the Senate and, frankly, that had very little support of the American people. Instead of focusing on jobs they focused on battering women.

But don't forget, the house voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act 32 times. It's been estimated that action alone cost 50 million dollars. Not to mention the number of abortion bills they voted on. But according to Speaker Boehner, it all about jobs, jobs, jobs.

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It is preposterous to say that the House did their job. All they did was pass radical, BS bills that they knew had no chance in the Senate and, frankly, that had very little support of the American people. Instead of focusing on jobs they focused on battering women.

Lots of your opinion but quite an accusation...can you speak to

"Instead of focusing on jobs they focused on battering women."

When you respond to that accusation we can discuss your comment which is ridiciously out of context.

I said the house did their job relative to passing a budget and you know that I did but you turned it around and deleted the part about the budget. Why would someone do something like that ?

And that last bill to stop the illegals from scamming he IRS was one big radical bill....dont blame Reid for stopping that one !!!! Whew !

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aw, geez, everyone knows that the bs bill door swings both ways. the libs just can't address the lack of presidential leadership, the void, that exists in getting the job of the american people done. it is so much easier to cast blame than it is to sit down together and do the hard work!

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The existing Ryan plan....

DOES NOT, IN ANYWAY, IN ANY AREA TOUCH ANYONE OVER 55 !!!!!!!!


Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

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Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

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Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

Explain please just how you got to make that claim ????

It seems to be not only very very general in its scope but lacking in any facts whatsoever !

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Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

aljetmet - whether you are self-centered or not, why do you want someone to take care of you in your golden years and perhaps limit all that you could be and could have and could do, etc? why do you not want to take care of yourself? why do you want someone else to take responsibility for your personal welfare and well-being?

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Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

Explain please just how you got to make that claim ????

It seems to be not only very very general in its scope but lacking in any facts whatsoever !

janmcn - i would love to know how you reached that conclusion as well.

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WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE SCREAMING THIS MORNING THAT WE HAD A BUDGET AND THAT THE REPUBLICAN WERE THE ONES THAT WERE HOLDING IT ALL UP ?????/

Where did you go !

Make a claim, no facts and then run and hide !!! GREAT !

READ a bit....stop relying on the one stop websites that you appear to be visiting.

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janmcn - i would love to know how you reached that conclusion as well.

Forget it...just like the budget thing earlier....make an accusation and once they catch on....RUN ~ never to be seen again !

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janmcn - i would love to know how you reached that conclusion as well.

I heard several pundits say it on TV today, including on Morning Joe.

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WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE SCREAMING THIS MORNING THAT WE HAD A BUDGET AND THAT THE REPUBLICAN WERE THE ONES THAT WERE HOLDING IT ALL UP ?????/

Where did you go !

Make a claim, no facts and then run and hide !!! GREAT !

READ a bit....stop relying on the one stop websites that you appear to be visiting.

sunset golf, happy hour, dinner, market nite?

don't you and btk go holding your breath waiting for responses, please! ;)

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I heard several pundits say it on TV today, including on Morning Joe.

pundits - can't count on them for much more than the daily emails they receive from the heads of their campaign staff. :( unless they back their opinion up with a fact or two somewhere...that i can get into! ;)

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sunset golf, happy hour, dinner, market nite?

don't you and btk go holding your breath waiting for responses, please! ;)

You are correct. Some posters on this forum have an active lifestyle...pickleball, golf, tennis, swimming, dancing, happy hour, etc etc

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You are correct. Some posters on this forum have an active lifestyle...pickleball, golf, tennis, swimming, dancing, happy hour, etc etc

And this is the response to which of the questions asked of you today ?

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aljetmet - whether you are self-centered or not, why do you want someone to take care of you in your golden years and perhaps limit all that you could be and could have and could do, etc? why do you not want to take care of yourself? why do you want someone else to take responsibility for your personal welfare and well-being?

I just don't trust what would happen to medical benefits I paid for the last 40 years. We all paid for into SS and Medicare If Medicare goes to a voucher system or changed where a gov't bureaucracy decides what kind of care I'm given I have a chance not to get the care that I've paid for.

I think the politicians need to take that into account. If they want to make drastic changes do it for those under 30 who haven't yet paid that much into the system.

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I just don't trust what would happen to medical benefits I paid for the last 40 years. We all paid for into SS and Medicare If Medicare goes to a voucher system or changed where a gov't bureaucracy decides what kind of care I'm given I have a chance not to get the care that I've paid for.

I think the politicians need to take that into account. If they want to make drastic changes do it for those under 30 who haven't yet paid that much into the system.

Keep in mind a few things...

First anything in the Ryan plan will NOT affect anyone over 55 at all in anyway.

Secondly, his plan, which is his second is simply a map...he changed a lot from the first to the second based on feedback...this is what we need in this country.

I am not sure if 30 would be the magic age since this has been allowed to go on for so long.....funny, GW Bush said that SS had a problem and was open to any discussion on how to fix it and the Democrats basically made fun of him...said it has no problems.

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Keep in mind a few things...

First anything in the Ryan plan will NOT affect anyone over 55 at all in anyway.

Secondly, his plan, which is his second is simply a map...he changed a lot from the first to the second based on feedback...this is what we need in this country.

I am not sure if 30 would be the magic age since this has been allowed to go on for so long.....funny, GW Bush said that SS had a problem and was open to any discussion on how to fix it and the Democrats basically made fun of him...said it has no problems.

Ryan's plan (which is his second) is likely to flip-flop (or is it evolve) into a third, fourth, or even fifth plan. You just ASSUME that his plan would not affect anyone under 55. Wait until the further flip-flops to see what the final plan looks like.

Basically, the plan as it reads right now, to you, looks fine but as long as it happens to someone else? Do I read that right? :shrug:

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Ryan's plan (which is his second) is likely to flip-flop (or is it evolve) into a third, fourth, or even fifth plan. You just ASSUME that his plan would not affect anyone under 55. Wait until the further flip-flops to see what the final plan looks like.

Basically, the plan as it reads right now, to you, looks fine but as long as it happens to someone else? Do I read that right? :shrug:

Your reading is not even in the ball park.

Neither version ever affected anyone over 55 and I cannot imagine a plan by Democrat or Republican that would. That appears to be an agreement.

Why would you say what you said about " looks fine but as long as it happens to someone else? You certainly are responsible for an explanation for that remark and accusation ! THAT was a very cheap shot !

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Your reading is not even in the ball park.

Neither version ever affected anyone over 55 and I cannot imagine a plan by Democrat or Republican that would. That appears to be an agreement.

Why would you say what you said about " looks fine but as long as it happens to someone else? You certainly are responsible for an explanation for that remark and accusation ! THAT was a very cheap shot !

That is how I was reading your post when you said you did not know if age 30 was the magic number. I take that as being you are in favor as long as it does not affect you - since I imagine you are well over 30.

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That is how I was reading your post when you said you did not know if age 30 was the magic number. I take that as being you are in favor as long as it does not affect you - since I imagine you are well over 30.

You have to learn to read EVERYTHING and IN CONTEXT.

here is the post to which I was replying but I assume, as always, you dont read in context...hope this helps a bit.....

" Originally Posted by aljetmet View Post
I just don't trust what would happen to medical benefits I paid for the last 40 years. We all paid for into SS and Medicare If Medicare goes to a voucher system or changed where a gov't bureaucracy decides what kind of care I'm given I have a chance not to get the care that I've paid for.

I think the politicians need to take that into account. If they want to make drastic changes do it for those under 30 who haven't yet paid that much into the system."

PS....it was still a cheap shot

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there will be reform to medicare....like it or not....and just like increasing the SS retirement age it will reach down to younger ages...pick one you like or have heard...30.....40...55.

That is how Ryans proposal is intended......no different than what ever program gets final approval.

It is known that doing nothing will have medicare go belly up in 11+ years. Ryan has made a proposal.

For those opponents of Ryan's plan so knowledgeable of his plan to be able to bad mouth it.....you must certainly also be aware of Obama's plan for making sure medicare will not go belly up? I anxiously await the insight to his intents!!

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Ryan's plan (which is his second) is likely to flip-flop (or is it evolve) into a third, fourth, or even fifth plan. You just ASSUME that his plan would not affect anyone under 55. Wait until the further flip-flops to see what the final plan looks like.

Basically, the plan as it reads right now, to you, looks fine but as long as it happens to someone else? Do I read that right? :shrug:

buggy - on the campaign trail i think we will only hear the criticisms of obamascare by the romney/ryan team, followed immediately with laments such as 'do you want that?' or 'that has to change.' or 'that's not what that means!'

in light of the fact that the ryan budget was formulated before obamascare was adjudicated by the supremes, that decision may necessitate some tweaking of ryan's proposal - and i am willing to see if that happens and consider same.

and if the romney/ryan team is elected to lead the nation - i hope that a romney/ryan budget will be one based on the best of what both sides of the aisle have to offer. i know it will not happen if obama is reelected, we have his record to look to and know that.

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buggy - on the campaign trail i think we will only hear the criticisms of obamascare by the romney/ryan team, followed immediately with laments such as 'do you want that?' or 'that has to change.' or 'that's not what that means!'

in light of the fact that the ryan budget was formulated before obamascare was adjudicated by the supremes, that decision may necessitate some tweaking of ryan's proposal - and i am willing to see if that happens and consider same.

and if the romney/ryan team is elected to lead the nation - i hope that a romney/ryan budget will be one based on the best of what both sides of the aisle have to offer. i know it will not happen if obama is reelected, we have his record to look to and know that.

I think the Ryan budget needs quite a bit of tweaking actually. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE DIRECTION because that is where we need to go RIGHT AWAY.

If you look at his budget, everyone will find a line that they do not agree on.....but the entire of idea of we MUST cut spending is there and that I like. He enlisted much left wing help with the budget and would have no problem with his rep getting both sides in line. The Democrats, as a whole, know in their heart we need to cut spending but..you know.

Fact is, I made this prediction on here before and will repeat it....if Romney wins, in one year there will be a number of books written detailing the distrust and chagrin that the democrats in the senate and house have for President Obama. Just my thought....over the years, have heard comments here and there about his lack of ANY communication with his party but that is for another time.

Ryan budget is the blue print we need