The Absolute Reality of Global Warming

[twinklesweep]

I couldn't say it better than the article at this link:

Disputed island disappears into sea - weather.com (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/indian-island-submerged_2010-03-25)

[Quixote]

I couldn't say it better than the article at this link:

Disputed island disappears into sea - weather.com (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/indian-island-submerged_2010-03-25)

This is pretty scary. We likely don't give a lot of thought to an island in the Indian Ocean, but what will that mean for coastal Florida not that many years away?...

[allus70]

Is global warming the cause? That can't be true, I know because Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) said so. He even wrote a book to back up his belief, 'The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future'
Amazon.com: The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future (9781936488490): Senator James Inhofe: Books

Who would you believe, 97% of the world's leading climatologists or Senator Inhofe?

[mickey100]

Is global warming the cause? That can't be true, I know because Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) said so. He even wrote a book to back up his belief, 'The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future'
Amazon.com: The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future (9781936488490): Senator James Inhofe: Books (http://www.amazon.com/The-Greatest-Hoax-Conspiracy-Threatens/dp/1936488493/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345022116&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Greatest+Hoax%3A+How+the+Global+Warmi ng+Conspiracy+Threatens+Your+Future)

Who would you believe, 97% of the world's leading climatologists or Senator Inhofe? Funny!

I remember there used to be a large contingent of TOTV posters rambling on about global warming being a hoax. Haven't seen them lately - think they must be in the political forum. :smiley:

[mulligan]

How about the Millstone Nuclear Power Station shutting down unit #2, because the cooling water (drawn from the ocean), is too warm to cool the unit ??

[salpal]

The head of the tiny nation of Maldives (Indian Ocean) went to the UN recently to appeal for assistance for Global Warming. His entire country will disappear if the sea level rises by as little as 3 inches. This is not a hoax.

[thekeithfan]

The head of the tiny nation of Maldives (Indian Ocean) went to the UN recently to appeal for assistance for Global Warming. His entire country will disappear if the sea level rises by as little as 3 inches. This is not a hoax.

Three inches! Wow they must of settled on a sand bar! They must get flooded out every full moon. Good time to move off the island it was a bad idea to begin with!

[2 Oldcrabs]

Who was it that said Global Warming was "Vodoo Science" ? Maybe they were wrong!:swear:

[kbace6]

I don't know anyone who disputes the planet is warming. All it takes are readings from thermometers all over the planet. No dispute there. The problem I have with this article is that is measures ocean levels in one area of the world, not taking into account that India and Bangladesh are in a huge subduction zone. If the ocean were rising in this area at whatever the rate, it would be rising worldwide at the same rate and it is not. This article does not even mention erosion! The truth of the matter is some parts of the earth rise and some parts sink. A subduction zone sinks and moves under another part that is rising. This phenomenon is what is causing the Himalayas to grow inches/year. One indisputable fact is that when a tectonic plate moves under or over another plate the earth shakes, better know as an earthquake. This part of the world is very active in this regard. I am disheartened to see that the weather channel's website would post such an irresponsible article without taking into account all the facts. It's shameful.

[l2ridehd]

I don't know anyone who disputes the planet is warming. All it takes are readings from thermometers all over the planet. No dispute there. The problem I have with this article is that is measures ocean levels in one area of the world, not taking into account that India and Bangladesh are in a huge subduction zone. If the ocean were rising in this area at whatever the rate, it would be rising worldwide at the same rate and it is not. This article does not even mention erosion! The truth of the matter is some parts of the earth rise and some parts sink. A subduction zone sinks and moves under another part that is rising. This phenomenon is what is causing the Himalayas to grow inches/year. One indisputable fact is that when a tectonic plate moves under or over another plate the earth shakes, better know as an earthquake. This part of the world is very active in this regard. I am disheartened to see that the weather channel's website would post such an irresponsible article without taking into account all the facts. It's shameful.

I agree. Everyone jumps on anything to prove a point they believe. The climate of the earth is changing. Always has and always will. Right now it appears to be warming. But, the North Pole is melting while the South Pole is growing. Both at the same rate? Who knows. The island disappearing has nothing to do with the global climate change. The bigger question is "what is causing the warming and does man have an impact"

IMHO the jury is still out on that question. Termites generate 1268 times the amount of CO2 that man does. Man was not around in any great degree during the last great climate warming or the ice age. We can all agree the earth is warming, where we differ is why. That is where the focus should be, and get off the political debate.

Fossil fuels generate CO2, wind farms kill birds, Solar farms utilize way to much land, nuclear generates radio active waste. There is no good answer except turn off all the lights, heat, AC, and remove all the cars and trucks and golf carts. But then we would all starve to death. Probably the better answer is to use them all and do so with as little environment impact as possible for each. The world will get warmer either way. We need to understand why and how to adapt and survive, not how to prevent it. We can't.

[kbace6]

I agree. Everyone jumps on anything to prove a point they believe. The climate of the earth is changing. Always has and always will. Right now it appears to be warming. But, the North Pole is melting while the South Pole is growing. Both at the same rate? Who knows. The island disappearing has nothing to do with the global climate change. The bigger question is "what is causing the warming and does man have an impact"

IMHO the jury is still out on that question. Termites generate 1268 times the amount of CO2 that man does. Man was not around in any great degree during the last great climate warming or the ice age. We can all agree the earth is warming, where we differ is why. That is where the focus should be, and get off the political debate.

Fossil fuels generate CO2, wind farms kill birds, Solar farms utilize way to much land, nuclear generates radio active waste. There is no good answer except turn off all the lights, heat, AC, and remove all the cars and trucks and golf carts. But then we would all starve to death. Probably the better answer is to use them all and do so with as little environment impact as possible for each. The world will get warmer either way. We need to understand why and how to adapt and survive, not how to prevent it. We can't.


I agree with most of your reply to my post, but I think you crossed a line when you wrote get rid of golf carts.:a20:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The thing is that to ask if global warming is real or not is attempting to simplify a somewhat complicated issue.
Some one said that 97% of all scientist believe in global warming. While I'm not sure that number is accurate let's assume that it is. Ninety seven percent of scientist believe that the earth is warming.
But many of them question whether this warming is some kind of catastrophic event or just a normally occurring cyclical event that happens every couple of centuries.
Some question whether it is a naturally occurring event or is caused by humans.
Many say that even if it is caused by humans that even if we do all of the things that environmentalist suggest that it wouldn't slow or stop it. It's too late and it's too far advanced.
On top of that is that there are many different ways of measuring and calculating the numbers that are often cited. There is disagreement between scientists on methodology.
Finally, many people are making billions of dollars from what has become the cottage industry of global warming. Al Gore's personal wealth has gone up 100 times since he became the face of the global warming movement.
I'm not saying that he's right or wrong or that he's lying or believes what he says. I am saying that when people are making that much money from everything it's not unreasonable to question their motives. Make no mistake about it, a lot of people stand to make a lot of money by exaggerating the effects of global warming.I'm not saying that this is the case with everyone, but I feel pretty sure that there are some scam artists out there taking advantage of the global warming issue.
One of the big problems that I see is that people get completely excoriated for simply questioning. That, to me is just wrong. We should all want to know the truth and if we can't openly question what is being stated then we will never get to the truth.

[lovesports]

My high school science teacher told us about global warming in the early 70s and he was making $7,000.
If you want to make money I would still stick to oil stocks rather than global warming stocks.

Told ya I was on a roll...fast thinking!

[Roaddog53]

What is REALLY interesting is recently I have read that we are in the beginning of the next ICE AGE! Look that one up! The next ice age... So which is it? Is the north pole and Greenland melting and the ICE AGE is delayed due to the "global warming"? Next we will be celebrating global warming as savior of the earth from the next freeze that would kill millions because we kept the earth warmer. Who benefits from that one? Maybe we will know in 10,000 years... Stay tuned! Too funny!

[allus70]

Yes, the climate of the world has gotten warmer, and then again colder....ice caps melted and then reformed, all before man even appeared on the scene. What is different this time is the incredible rate of change and what is driving the change.

The Koch brothers hired a very well regarded climatologist by the name of Richard Muller of UC Berkley to confirm their position that burning fossil fuels has nothing to do with global warming. Mr. Muller was chosen because of his reputation and because he too was very skeptical of the notion that global warming was connected to the use of fossil fuel.

After an exhaustive review, he was convinced his previous opinion was wrong and that global warming was caused ENTIRELY by human activity.
Funds for this study were provided for by the Folger Fund, the Bowes Foundation, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the Bill Gate's Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research , the Koch Foundation, and the Getty Foundation.

I do not know if the Koch brothers asked for their money back.

[Advogado]

I guess the good news is that Villagers may soon own ocean-front property.

[Warren Kiefer]

I couldn't say it better than the article at this link:

Disputed island disappears into sea - weather.com (http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/indian-island-submerged_2010-03-25)

It shocks me that so many of our leading politicians state that it is their opinion that global warming is a big hoax. I have several neighbors that have bought into this theory. I try to bring it to their attention that parts of the ice caps millions of years old are melting and falling into the ocean. Their response about global warming " this is just a natural cycle".

[Quixote]

I’m not surprised at the variety of responses this posting has generated. Global warming exists. Global warming doesn’t exist. Global warming is a purely natural phenomenon. (Weren’t the Koch brothers surprised?) A politician is mocked. (Don’t know Senator Imhofe.) Individuals (like Al Gore) are suspect if (1) they believe in global warming and (2) they become rich or more rich. (Personally I object way more to those who get rich from the human and property destruction of war, which we’ve seen more than once in our lifetimes.) Some have “agendas” leading them, for one example, to tear down this “popular” news story by the Weather Channel (which, after all, is not a pure academic setting performing significant and heavily documented research in an area where a controlled experiment is virtually impossible). It’s not “warming,” it’s a coming ice age. Wow! or Whew!

But where is the concern for those isolated souls who “settled” (likely many centuries ago) on low-lying islands or coasts and whose homes are disappearing under the waves, “subduction” notwithstanding. You can be sure that if global warming affected us the way it’s affecting these folks, some of whom already have had to be displaced from their homes of many generations, we might be less _________ [fill in the blank, depending on one’s views and “agendas”] and instead be more genuinely concerned about this issue and its human effect. That’s why I mentioned Florida—our home state—and the effect of rising sea levels stemming from global warming in a finite number of years. How easy it is for us to give at most a moment’s thought to something halfway around the world and then go back to our daily lives….

[thekeithfan]

It shocks me that so many of our leading politicians state that it is their opinion that global warming is a big hoax. I have several neighbors that have bought into this theory. I try to bring it to their attention that parts of the ice caps millions of years old are melting and falling into the ocean. Their response about global warming " this is just a natural cycle".

I agree. The warming is always talked about as "since records have been kept" about 120 years! The earth is 4 Billion years old!!! I've hiked on petrified ocean floor in Utah. I have friends that have found petrified squid bones in Wyoming. Most of the Islands around Florida (Jupiter Island ,Singer Island,) were under water a mere couple thousand years ago. It's a cycle and this too shall pass with or without us.

[asianthree]

I agree. The warming is always talked about as "since records have been kept" about 120 years! The earth is 4 Billion years old!!! I've hiked on petrified ocean floor in Utah. I have friends that have found petrified squid bones in Wyoming. Most of the Islands around Florida (Jupiter Island ,Singer Island,) were under water a mere couple thousand years ago. It's a cycle and this too shall pass with or without us.

i am thinking it will pass without us

[thekeithfan]

I guess the good news is that Villagers may soon own ocean-front property.

Not really good news our insurance rates will more than triple! But it will cut down on the ride to Daytona Beach!

[twinklesweep]

I don't know anyone who disputes the planet is warming. All it takes are readings from thermometers all over the planet. No dispute there. The problem I have with this article is that is measures ocean levels in one area of the world, not taking into account that India and Bangladesh are in a huge subduction zone. If the ocean were rising in this area at whatever the rate, it would be rising worldwide at the same rate and it is not. This article does not even mention erosion! The truth of the matter is some parts of the earth rise and some parts sink. A subduction zone sinks and moves under another part that is rising. This phenomenon is what is causing the Himalayas to grow inches/year. One indisputable fact is that when a tectonic plate moves under or over another plate the earth shakes, better know as an earthquake. This part of the world is very active in this regard. I am disheartened to see that the weather channel's website would post such an irresponsible article without taking into account all the facts. It's shameful.

For those who feel that this is an issue only on the other side of the world which we can therefore ignore, or that people far from us don’t really count, do these articles bring the issue of rising sea levels closer to us? Or are there those who will say, well, they chose to be on the coast, whereas here in TV our elevation is 80–90 feet, so we can keep our heads buried in the sand and ignore it while criticizing not only the Weather Channel but also those who see this as a serious WORLDWIDE problem that affects ALL OF US?

Rising sea comes at a cost for South Florida cities - Miami-Dade - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/01/2980388/rising-sea-come-at-a-cost-for.html)

The Future Is Now For Sea Level Rise In South Florida » News » OPB (http://www.opb.org/news/article/the_future_is_now_for_sea_level_rise_in_south_flor ida/)

[Golfingnut]

Moore Island More Deception (http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0310/moore-island.php)

[billethkid]

if global warming is not a hoax, then it is an over blown subject that very few people really know anything about except what they read

The so called warming episodes have been a cyclic event for centuries. Since the advent of the 24/7 media and political gain has the subject been given much attention.

The measurements are in tenths of millimeters per year. What was the level 50 years ago? 150 years ago? 250 years ago? What have the trends over the years shown?

The natural heating and cooling of the earths temps has been cyclical. Media and politics aside.....this too will pass.

The subject of global warming is like the double edged question.....are you still beating your wife.....any answer is a wrong one!!!

btk

[twinklesweep]

Moore Island More Deception (http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0310/moore-island.php)

I agree with two points made in the article about New Moore Island:

“The United States of America has been under attack from within since 1990 with the first Gulf War. Since then and after 9-11 we have had the largest removal of civil liberties and personal freedoms ever, since the founding of this country.”

And “Sinister forces at work in Washington go beyond that of mere Left or Right and corrupt both sides making either unacceptable to those who desire to live in a country that is supposed to be for and by the people rather than to and against them.”

This writer starts out with a clear explanation (assuming it’s true...) of the story of New Moore Island. However, once he shows his own paranoia and/or has to resort to name-calling (examples: “Global Warming Cult,” “Global Warming alarmists”), he has lost credence, IMHO. A quick read of his mini-biography before the article itself explains a lot. And this in a journal of “UFO and Paranormal News from Around the World”?! Is it noteworthy that nothing about this appears in Snopes.com?

Maybe he would also say that the rising sea levels and how they need to be addressed in Florida is not really happening but instead are a creation of the "Global Warming Cult." Tell that to the taxpayers of the areas where they have to cover the costs mentioned in the articles!

[graciegirl]

Alright. If Global warming is happening, And it appears to be, what can each of us DO besides not wasting, and reusing things and taking care of what we have? Which most of our generation has always done.

The rest is just rhetoric.

We can't force people to not to have a car or a kid or a pet, or can we? Just HOW far do we go, or can we go? or should we go? Some of us would always follow the rules, but others NEVER will.

We have emissions control on cars. We could stop using plastic that doesn't biodegrade.

Tell us, you who argue this issue, how do you see us as individuals doing more to keep noxious gasses from going skyward?

Get to the bottom line. What is reasonable to expect from us?

[Golfingnut]

mother nature is a strong lady and when the time comes, she will rid the earth of all human existence and clean her home up for the next inhabitants.

[Taltarzac725]

Florida Crystals : Reducing Your Carbon Footprint (http://www.floridacrystals.com/content/117/reducing_your_carbon_footprint.aspx)

[thekeithfan]

mother nature is a strong lady and when the time comes, she will rid the earth of all human existence and clean her home up for the next inhabitants.

I have always chuckled when I saw a Save the Planet bumper sticker. It doesn't need saving never will. A couple maybe 3 hundred years after humans die off there will be no trace of us.