An opposing view....

[pooh]

well, sort of, to the premise that plant based diets may lower the incidence of cancer and possibly vascular disease.

Dr. Terry Simpson is bariatric surgeon from Arizona. I've linked to his website....browse around, get another perspective on how food impacts our lives and how excess food can impact an individual.

I found it an interesting read. Hope you do also.

Vegans and Cancer:A Diet of Plants Wont Prevent or Cure Cancer | Your Doctor's Orders (http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/)

[quirky3]

I saw a similar article with that same philosophy. I also want to share another thing that some may not have considered :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[pooh]

That's really a cute picture.....:clap2::clap2:

[lightworker888]

For me this supports the "moderation, joyful" approach to food. If we could really listen to our bodies, we would "know" what we need to be eating and wouldn't have to adhere to a "diet". Still working on it, and discovering new options. Did a quinoa vegetable stir fry with shrimp last night and it was great.
Think I will be discovering more combinations when I get down and can access Publix organic produce and grass fed beef. Lots of fun.

LW888

[pooh]

For me this supports the "moderation, joyful" approach to food. If we could really listen to our bodies, we would "know" what we need to be eating and wouldn't have to adhere to a "diet". Still working on it, and discovering new options. Did a quinoa vegetable stir fry with shrimp last night and it was great.
Think I will be discovering more combinations when I get down and can access Publix organic produce and grass fed beef. Lots of fun.

LW888

I've spent some time viewing different articles on Dr. Simpson's site....stuff about diet, heart and vascular disease, etc. He spends time teaching cooking to some of his patients, too. Enjoyed the site, lots.

[jimbo2012]

Well I guess U expected a reply from me :1rotfl:

This doctor is misguided and makes the mistakes many in his position do regarding the science. Others will be convinced diet has little influence on these conditions. You put your trust in where you feel the data is the strongest. I tend to believe Dr.’s Campbell, Esseltyn & Ornish and their perspectives.

Dr. Simpson makes many unsupported claims, just appears to make bald face statements off the top of his head attempting to invalidate a highly recognized work in one page. Someone providing a rebuttal of The China Study findings should me more familiar with the material than this.

He cites famous Vegans dying of cancer; almost everyone was a vegetarian not a vegan, big difference.

He uses those two diets several times incorrectly.

"That a vegan diet could prevent cancer is bunk. One need look no further than Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Computer, who lived a vegetarian diet his life, and died of cancer."

Hello Steve Jobs was a vegetarian not a vegan, but he just babbles on like he was.

In my opinion people believe eating a plant based diet will reduce their chances of getting cancer, I doubt seriously many truly believe this prevents all cancers.

Pooh what you may also find interesting is this Dr, is his love of cigars.

Cigar Talk: Conversations of the herf [Paperback]
Terry Simpson MD FAC Only $17 on Amazon.

Steak and a fine cigar, "Don't bother me, I'm dying"

Or is that moderation?

This doctors primary business is the lapband surgery, not nutrition, in fact he has issues with that surgery, was found negligent of malpractice or wrongful death of a woman and a court awarded (http://www.outpatientsurgery.net/news/2011/01/24-jury-awards-1-38-million-for-gastric-banding-death) the husband 1.38M in 2011 for Gastric Banding Death......


Did a bit more research on his writings.

His source on The China Study seems to be Denise Mingers, who is a researcher wannabe with an English Lit degree and a blog. She's a good writer but has no qualifications to analyze the raw data of the China Study. Yet, meat advocates often use her amateur analysis as "proof" that The China Study has been "debunked". Like a peer-reviewed study could be so transparently flawed that an English major, with no research training, could "debunk" it while Dr. Campell's colleagues and the whole scientific community apparently couldn't.

Dr. Campell responded to her here (http://www.tcolincampbell.org/fileadmin/Presentation/finalmingercritique.pdf)


.

[pooh]

Well I guess U expected a reply from me :1rotfl:

This doctor is misguided and makes the mistakes many in his position do regarding the science. Others will be convinced diet has little influence on these conditions. You put your trust in where you feel the data is the strongest. I tend to believe Dr.’s Campbell, Esseltyn & Ornish and their perspectives.

Dr. Simpson makes many unsupported claims, just appears to make bald face statements off the top of his head attempting to invalidate a highly recognized work in one page. Someone providing a rebuttal of The China Study findings should me more familiar with the material than this.

He cites famous Vegans dying of cancer; almost everyone was a vegetarian not a vegan, big difference.

He uses those two diets several times incorrectly.

"That a vegan diet could prevent cancer is bunk. One need look no further than Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Computer, who lived a vegetarian diet his life, and died of cancer."

Hello Steve Jobs was a vegetarian not a vegan, but he just babbles on like he was.

In my opinion people believe eating a plant based diet will reduce their chances of getting cancer, I doubt seriously many truly believe this prevents all cancers.

Pooh what you may also find interesting is this Dr, is his love of cigars.

Cigar Talk: Conversations of the herf [Paperback]
Terry Simpson MD FAC Only $17 on Amazon.

Steak and a fine cigar, "Don't bother me, I'm dying"

Or is that moderation?

This doctors primary business is the lapband surgery, not nutrition, in fact he has issues with that surgery, was found negligent of malpractice or wrongful death of a woman and a court awarded (http://www.outpatientsurgery.net/news/2011/01/24-jury-awards-1-38-million-for-gastric-banding-death) the husband 1.38M in 2011 for Gastric Banding Death......


Did a bit more research on his writings.

His source on The China Study seems to be Denise Mingers, who is a researcher wannabe with an English Lit degree and a blog. She's a good writer but has no qualifications to analyze the raw data of the China Study. Yet, meat advocates often use her amateur analysis as "proof" that The China Study has been "debunked". Like a peer-reviewed study could be so transparently flawed that an English major, with no research training, could "debunk" it while Dr. Campell's colleagues and the whole scientific community apparently couldn't.

Dr. Campell responded to her here (http://www.tcolincampbell.org/fileadmin/Presentation/finalmingercritique.pdf)


.

I've started to respond three times this evening, Jimbo.....things just kept getting in the way. At this point, I've lost my train of thought, but will try to remember some of what I wanted to say.

I do believe Steve Jobs was a vegan...and his diet did not cause his condition, but it did not stop his condition, either. He also was on the Ornish diet for a while, but at that point, probably nothing would have helped him.

Yes, the terms vegan and vegetarian have been used incorrectly in some instances, not sure who typed, but they did make at least one mistake.

The information on the lawsuit ... Though cash was awarded to the deceased's spouse, the jury did find the couple also responsible for the death, and the surgi center, as well. There's info online if anyone wants to know more.

I've read a bit of the doctor's web page. It agrees with what I've learned, what I've researched and with how I eat. I'm comfortable with my choices, as you are comfortable with yours.

Have read a number of papers, articles, disputing the results of the China Study. Again, I understand what is said and recognize the scientific basis for the statements disputing the study.

Not sure what Dr. Simpson's like for cigars has to do with anything except he likes cigars. Is he a heavy smoker? I don't know. Is it impacting his health? I don't know that either. Cigars remind me of my Dad, he enjoyed them, also. ..lived to 97 years of age. Personally, I don't smoke and wonder why someone might....but some of us do have vices...:)

We can go back and forth on this till the cows come home, you will feel as you do about a vegan diet, I will feel as I do about a less restrictive diet. I will continue to say that good health is the sum of many things, food alone will not guarantee a long life free from disease, and by nature, man is an omnivore.

With that, I'm off to get some rest, another weapon to help maintain good health. Sleep well, Jimbo, It does a body good.

[ilovetv]

Organic Food Has No Benefits Over Conventional Food, Says Study

Featured Article
Academic Journal
Main Category: Nutrition / Diet
Also Included In: Water - Air Quality / Agriculture
Article Date: 05 Sep 2012 - 3:00 PDT

Overall, organic foods are not nutritionally superior to conventional foods, neither are they safer regarding bacterial contamination, researchers from Stanford University School of Medicine reported in Annals of Internal Medicine. The scientists emphasized that they did not find any significant evidence pointing to nutritional benefits linked to the consumption of organic foods. They did, however, find "weak evidence" of higher phenol levels in organic produce.

While eating organic vegetables and fruits does mean that the consumer has approximately 30% less exposure to pesticide residues, conventional foods are well below threshold limits set by regulatory authorities anyway, the authors explained.

Crystal Smith-Spangler, MD, MS, Dena Bravata, MD, MS, and team carried out a review of 17 human studies and 223 other studies of nutrient and contaminant levels in fresh foods, including pork, beef, chicken, eggs, milk, grains, vegetables and fruit. Their aim was to compare the safety, nutritional and health characteristics of conventional and organic foods.

Dr. Bravata, after carrying out a literature search, found that most of the studies were "confusing". Some of the ones that appeared in trade publications were not very thorough. There seemed to be no study with a comprehensive synthesis of evidence which clearly showed the benefits versus the harms of conventional and organic foods.

Studies on organic foods have produced varying results. One in February 2012 found that organic rice may have high levels of arsenic.

A 2010 study published in PLoS ONE reported that organic strawberries have more antioxidants and vitamin C but less potassium and phosphorus than conventionally grown strawberries.
Researchers were surprised to find no nutritional benefits linked to organic foods

The research team found no compelling evidence in any of the studies that they reviewed which demonstrated that organic foods are considerably more nutritious than other foods.

Sales of organic food were worth over $26 billion in 2010. Dr. Smith-Spangler said, "some believe that organic food is always healthier and more nutritious. My colleagues and I were a little surprised that we didn't find that.".........

Organic Food Has No Benefits Over Conventional Food, Says Study (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/249848.php)

[EdV]

.....Not sure what Dr. Simpson's like for cigars has to do with anything except he likes cigars. Is he a heavy smoker? I don't know. Is it impacting his health? I don't know that either. Cigars remind me of my Dad, he enjoyed them, also. ..lived to 97 years of age. Personally, I don't smoke and wonder why someone might....but some of us do have vices...:)

That reminds me of the televised interview Barbara Walters had with George Burns when he was in his mid 90’s. As Burns sat there with a lit cigar she asked him what his doctor had to say about his cigar smoking, “Nothing, he’s dead now” was his reply.

[jimbo2012]

We can go back and forth on this till the cows come home, you will feel as you do about a vegan diet, I will feel as I do about a less restrictive diet. I will continue to say that good health is the sum of many things, food alone will not guarantee a long life free from disease, and by nature, man is an omnivore.


That's what nice about these forums, the exchange of ideas & opinions, we can disagree on certain points but still learn from each other.

[jimbo2012]

Organic Food Has No Benefits Over Conventional Food, Says Study



I agree, the thing is unless you grow it yourself you truly don't know anyway.

[senior citizen]

well, sort of, to the premise that plant based diets may lower the incidence of cancer and possibly vascular disease.

Dr. Terry Simpson is bariatric surgeon from Arizona. I've linked to his website....browse around, get another perspective on how food impacts our lives and how excess food can impact an individual.

I found it an interesting read. Hope you do also.

Vegans and Cancer:A Diet of Plants Wont Prevent or Cure Cancer | Your Doctor's Orders (http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/)


Really good list of vegans who , unfortunately, passed from cancer.

Which is why I am always dumbfounded when I simply relay the vegans and vegetarians we knew personally who DIED no matter what they ate....all of cancer; all were treated at the best well known medical centers by top specialists. All led "healthy" lifestyles which included spartan eating habits and daily exercise. All were trim and fit...and thin.
All died of cancer.

Some of it has to be either genetic and / or environmental.

Of course, the "experts" then say it is not genetic. Predispositions to various ailments DO INDEED run in families......while some families, no matter how much junk they might consume......remain cancer free.

Go figure.

Great post. Thankyou.

[senior citizen]

Well I guess U expected a reply from me :1rotfl:

This doctor is misguided and makes the mistakes many in his position do regarding the science. Others will be convinced diet has little influence on these conditions. You put your trust in where you feel the data is the strongest. I tend to believe Dr.’s Campbell, Esseltyn & Ornish and their perspectives.

Dr. Simpson makes many unsupported claims, just appears to make bald face statements off the top of his head attempting to invalidate a highly recognized work in one page. Someone providing a rebuttal of The China Study findings should me more familiar with the material than this.

He cites famous Vegans dying of cancer; almost everyone was a vegetarian not a vegan, big difference.

He uses those two diets several times incorrectly.

"That a vegan diet could prevent cancer is bunk. One need look no further than Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Computer, who lived a vegetarian diet his life, and died of cancer."

Hello Steve Jobs was a vegetarian not a vegan, but he just babbles on like he was.

In my opinion people believe eating a plant based diet will reduce their chances of getting cancer, I doubt seriously many truly believe this prevents all cancers.

Pooh what you may also find interesting is this Dr, is his love of cigars.

Cigar Talk: Conversations of the herf [Paperback]
Terry Simpson MD FAC Only $17 on Amazon.

Steak and a fine cigar, "Don't bother me, I'm dying"

Or is that moderation?

This doctors primary business is the lapband surgery, not nutrition, in fact he has issues with that surgery, was found negligent of malpractice or wrongful death of a woman and a court awarded (http://www.outpatientsurgery.net/news/2011/01/24-jury-awards-1-38-million-for-gastric-banding-death) the husband 1.38M in 2011 for Gastric Banding Death......


Did a bit more research on his writings.

His source on The China Study seems to be Denise Mingers, who is a researcher wannabe with an English Lit degree and a blog. She's a good writer but has no qualifications to analyze the raw data of the China Study. Yet, meat advocates often use her amateur analysis as "proof" that The China Study has been "debunked". Like a peer-reviewed study could be so transparently flawed that an English major, with no research training, could "debunk" it while Dr. Campell's colleagues and the whole scientific community apparently couldn't.

Dr. Campell responded to her here (http://www.tcolincampbell.org/fileadmin/Presentation/finalmingercritique.pdf)


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I've read all the books and seen the videos which you mention above.
I still stand by our knowledge of known vegans who died of cancer.
They did everything by the book........and still succumbed.

Why doesn't anyone look into the role pharmaceuticals play in these cancer deaths......such as birth control pills, hormone replacement therapy, etc.? In other words, don't mess with Mother Nature.

Excess estrogen does contribute to cancer. There is no eternal fountain of youth. Better to go natural. The dangers of hormone replacement have been mentioned but then hushed up.

There also is the aggressive cancer gene that is familial; for which therapeutic mastectomy is often recommended....we also know someone considering that. One can be tested for the gene. Plus women do know their family history (grandparents, aunts, sisters, moms, etc.)

NO DIET ALONE CAN STOP CANCER. What about all the radiation we are bombarded with? Lately, there is an awful lot of brain cancers in our town among cell phone users. What about those radar detector thingies that cops in patrol cars used to use and hold on their laps while driving?
There are a myriad amount of possibilities in the modern world as to why cancer cells form in the first place. Heredity does play a role.

p.s. For some of the men, does anyone know if they used designer drugs or recreational drugs during their university years? How can that mess up your D.N.A.
I will agree with the healthy crowd that the ADDITIVES and JUNK in processed foods today is totally UNNATURAL........but so is the mercury in fish and the radiation in the rain clouds.............

[lightworker888]

There are sooo many factors that MAY cause cells to mutate or go awry. Senior Citizen points out the EMF factor which I believe is HUGE. There are so many more waves in the air now than in days past that in actuality we are living in a "soup" that our bodies were never designed to handle and we will each respond in our own unique way. If you are drawn or resonate with certain types of information, then maybe that is the avenue that needs to be pursued to help keep you balanced within the "soup".

For me on a physical level, the bottom line is the immune system, which includes so many things, especially the gut flora. And even more importantly I believe, it would be invaluable for each person to stay conscious of the emotional vibration that s/he is vibrating moment to moment.

For anyone interested in this type of study, there are 2 books by Richard Bartlett DC,ND MATRIX ENERGETICS and THE PHYSICS OF MIRACLES that you might find worthwhile reading.

LW888

[pooh]

That's what nice about these forums, the exchange of ideas & opinions, we can disagree on certain points but still learn from each other.

So true, Jimbo, and see, something we both agree on... ;)

Enjoy your day!

[graciegirl]

I read the "Mad Cowboy" interview with Dr. Esselstyn. I was surprised by how nice the good doctor seemed and very surprised by the fact that the research that he has based his diet on had only 23 participants over 20 years.

[Barefoot]

I read the "Mad Cowboy" interview with Dr. Esselstyn. I was surprised by how nice the good doctor seemed and very surprised by the fact that the research that he has based his diet on had only 23 participants over 20 years.

Do you have a link Gracie? 23 participants? Really?

[jimbo2012]

Really good list of vegans who , unfortunately, passed from cancer.
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Hello! that list was vegetarians, you really didn't read that stuff.

I read the "Mad Cowboy" interview with Dr. Esselstyn. I was surprised by how nice the good doctor seemed and very surprised by the fact that the research that he has based his diet on had only 23 participants over 20 years.

Gracie, I think you miss understood something there!

It was not based on 23 folks.

[graciegirl]

Hello! that list was vegetarians, you really didn't read that stuff.



Gracie, I think you miss understood something there!

It was not based on 23 folks.


I think that is what I read. The people that Dr. Esselstyn followed. Scroll down to size of study. The China study is another thing entirely.
http://madcowboy.com/EssyInterviewFinal.PDF

[jimbo2012]

Ok, my error, I thought U were referring to the China study.

[senior citizen]

There are sooo many factors that MAY cause cells to mutate or go awry. Senior Citizen points out the EMF factor which I believe is HUGE. There are so many more waves in the air now than in days past that in actuality we are living in a "soup" that our bodies were never designed to handle and we will each respond in our own unique way. If you are drawn or resonate with certain types of information, then maybe that is the avenue that needs to be pursued to help keep you balanced within the "soup".

For me on a physical level, the bottom line is the immune system, which includes so many things, especially the gut flora. And even more importantly I believe, it would be invaluable for each person to stay conscious of the emotional vibration that s/he is vibrating moment to moment.

For anyone interested in this type of study, there are 2 books by Richard Bartlett DC,ND MATRIX ENERGETICS and THE PHYSICS OF MIRACLES that you might find worthwhile reading.

LW888

Have you done any research on "smart meters".....???? We didn't even know they were coming to our home; they just rang the doorbell and said they were doing it...........I have since read that we could "opt out" but then it would cost $10 a month to have a meter reader come to the house each month to read the analog meter.


Would appreciate any info on these new "smart meters" to read the electricity useage in the homes. When we were in TV last autumn, the home did have a smart meter. At home in Vermont, we still had the old fashioned analog meter.

Now, this past week, our Green Mountain Power Company just installed
a "smart meter" on our home and took away our analog one.

After doing some research, I'm a bit alarmed at the potential health risks.......but don't fully understand it all. My husband doesn't know what to think......but thinks that one would be exposed ONLY NEAR THE METER. I was wondering if the entire house, wherever electricity comes out of the sockets or whatever......would have the harmful effects.

Or are there NO HARMFUL EFFECTS from these smart meters?

Our state just passed a law that people can indeed "opt out"......wish I had known that. I guess we just assumed we had to request the power company to come to our home an install it..........so we bided our time.

[lightworker888]

I just heard about the opt out option so I am going to look into that when I get back. Have to check out TV's regs on that. The info on smart meters and wind turbines etc is quite wide spread now. They both pollute the air. I liken them to giant microwaves all around us. We haven't had a microwave for years and we know from our work that the body energy (meridian system) is affected by the different waves.

Think about how your body responds to different people and different colors and different emotions. They are all vibrations and they affect the internal "soup".

We wear catalyst beads (emfblues.com) and have worn them for years. I have been communicating with this company for 20+ years and have used and sold their products. If you want more info let me know. Through muscle checking and kirlian photography you can see that the products work. It is impossible to change the environment, though you can certainly make it less toxic. However you can do something about keeping yourself free of the effects of the toxicity.

A neighbour of our up here has been battling health issues that are a direct result of the EMF field he has been in. It hasn't been that long that the concept of "sick buildings" was unheard of or ridiculed. Some people still aren't aware of the damage they can do to people's health. All the environmental allergies, that so many people are suffering from, has many different sources, and I would call the EMF field one of them. Smart meters are just one of the contributing factors. BTW Fluorescent lights are another and think about the school environments. It goes on and on. So we just chip away as we get more info and allow ourselves to become more conscious. Like Lao Tzu said " A journey of a million miles............"

LW888

[Villages PL]

I found several inacuracies in what Dr. Simpson said about "The China Study".
As I read his paper, I began to wonder if he read the same China Study that I read.

I don't have much time right now. But for starters a BIG BIG inaccuracy is when he reported that the author, Dr. Campbell, stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer. Dr. Campbell never stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer.

Did someone pay Dr. Simpson to do this hatchet job? Was it the Meat and Dairy Association?
Or is the website simply a phony setup.

Pooh, if you really wanted to know the truth, you would take the time to read the book for yourself.

[senior citizen]

I just heard about the opt out option so I am going to look into that when I get back. Have to check out TV's regs on that. The info on smart meters and wind turbines etc is quite wide spread now. They both pollute the air. I liken them to giant microwaves all around us. We haven't had a microwave for years and we know from our work that the body energy (meridian system) is affected by the different waves.

Think about how your body responds to different people and different colors and different emotions. They are all vibrations and they affect the internal "soup".

We wear catalyst beads (emfblues.com) and have worn them for years. I have been communicating with this company for 20+ years and have used and sold their products. If you want more info let me know. Through muscle checking and kirlian photography you can see that the products work. It is impossible to change the environment, though you can certainly make it less toxic. However you can do something about keeping yourself free of the effects of the toxicity.

A neighbour of our up here has been battling health issues that are a direct result of the EMF field he has been in. It hasn't been that long that the concept of "sick buildings" was unheard of or ridiculed. Some people still aren't aware of the damage they can do to people's health. All the environmental allergies, that so many people are suffering from, has many different sources, and I would call the EMF field one of them. Smart meters are just one of the contributing factors. BTW Fluorescent lights are another and think about the school environments. It goes on and on. So we just chip away as we get more info and allow ourselves to become more conscious. Like Lao Tzu said " A journey of a million miles............"

LW888

Interesting.

Last winter a resident of our town, whom we know, wrote a letter to the newspaper about her concerns for the cell tower in town that she felt had undermined her husband's health in numerous ways. Not one person replied to her letter to the editor. I'm sure she was thought of as a crank. She's a college educated woman, who herself is living with 3 auto immune diseases for twenty years now but has a high powered position in town.

Well, my husband just saw her husband the other day, sitting in front of his home in a wheelchair.......had turned totally grey haired (long straggly hair) and had aged a thousand years from the once handsome vigorous man we had known who actually worked in the healthcare business...........he obviously was very sick from SOMETHING. I wonder if her thoughts about the proximity to the cell phone tower were viable.
It was in back of the police station. So, kind of close to the center of town and in a radious of some of the lower neighborhoods. We are up on the hill but she seemed to feel that this "new" cell tower could emit dangerous rays to quite a large area.

Scary stuff.

It wasn't high tension wires......but a cell phone tower. Not very big at that.

Thanks....

[Cantwaittoarrive]

It seems no matter how hard we try or what we do life on earth is fatal. I think what is more important than what or how you eat is how do you live? Do you live each day likes it your last? Do you make sure to tell the ones you love that you love them and that they are special? Do you do today what you could do tomorrow if you have tomorrow? Are you thankful for each sunrise and each sunset? Do you live your life with no regrets? Each day do try to make someelse's day special?

[senior citizen]

It seems no matter how hard we try or what we do life on earth is fatal. I think what is more important than what or how you eat is how do you live? Do you live each day likes it your last? Do you make sure to tell the ones you love that you love them and that they are special? Do you do today what you could do tomorrow if you have tomorrow? Are you thankful for each sunrise and each sunset? Do you live your life with no regrets? Each day do try to make someelse's day special?


Words of wisdom

[lightworker888]

Your story is one of many and they are all sad to see. Cell towers, Hydro lines, all emit waves which we all are affected by. I wonder how much of the bee population decline might be impacted by the environment that the bees are now having to live in. I'm sure that they weren't designed to be flying through all the altered air. It might be like flying through a tsumani or something like that. Maybe they are like the "canaries" in the mines, only we aren't paying attention .

It is such a complicated challenge that it could drive you nuts. As I see it we just have to joyfully go with what resonates and know that we are always doing the best we can, given all the information, history and energy that we have at the moment.

LW888

[Villages PL]

It seems no matter how hard we try or what we do life on earth is fatal. I think what is more important than what or how you eat is how do you live? Do you live each day likes it your last? Do you make sure to tell the ones you love that you love them and that they are special? Do you do today what you could do tomorrow if you have tomorrow? Are you thankful for each sunrise and each sunset? Do you live your life with no regrets? Each day do try to make someelse's day special?

Interesting post. My first thought was that I agree with all of it. But, no, I'm not the type of person who just goes along with everything, just to be agreeable. I can't help thinking for myself.

Yes, life is fatal. Did anyone ever think otherwise?

But then you make a distinction between how one eats and how one lives. Just because love is important, doesn't mean eating can't be important too. Everything in my life is important. If I keep myself healthy I'll be better able to love and help others.

No, I don't live each day as though it's my last. That would be to reckless in my opinion and not very optimistic.

But I am thankful everyday. We agree on that.

:wave:

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I think much the same as you don't truely receive unless you give. I think you can't truely live until you realize you are dying. It's not reckless it invigorating. Live each days as if it's your last. What if you wake up tomorrow morning and find out you have hours to live? What will you wish you had done today that you missed out on because you were afraid it was too reckless. Like the song says "Live like you are dying"

[pooh]

I found several inacuracies in what Dr. Simpson said about "The China Study".
As I read his paper, I began to wonder if he read the same China Study that I read.

I don't have much time right now. But for starters a BIG BIG inaccuracy is when he reported that the author, Dr. Campbell, stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer. Dr. Campbell never stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer.

Did someone pay Dr. Simpson to do this hatchet job? Was it the Meat and Dairy Association?
Or is the website simply a phony setup.

Pooh, if you really wanted to know the truth, you would take the time to read the book for yourself.

If I really want to know about the China Study, I will read the actually study and then the book. Not sure if I can access the information. In all probability, I know I will not. Various eating patterns have been tried over the course of my lifetime and I've come to realize what foods keep me feeling well and happy. Alas, lots of fruit and veggies to the exclusion of animal protein, does not work for me.

I will continue to check on what you've said about Simpson saying the book states vegan diets can cure cancer. From portions of the book that I have read online, it seems that the book implies that this may be the case. I'm sure if I've interpreted this incorrectly, you'll be kind enough to correct me.

Actually, I just presented Dr. Simpson's website as an opposing view to veganism. There are many others who feel an all plant based diet isn't the best for mankind.

We all have matters, events, situations we feel strongly about. I don't really know you, VPL, can only get some of your personality from what and how you write here. Doing what you feel will help keep you free from certain conditions, is important to you and the vegan diet appears to be how you are going about achieving this. Hopefully it will work well for you and you will continue to live with the excellent health you now seem to be experiencing. Many of us recognize the importance of a good diet, but feel there are other diets more suitable for how we want to live. Everyday new research unlocks some of the mystery of what Man is and how Man works...it's really kind of neat. Hopefully one day there will be a definitive answer to why certain diseases plague us, why certain genes causing deformities, illness, turn on in some situations.
In the meantime, we all do what we think is best for us. I wish you health and happiness....

[Villages PL]

If I really want to know about the China Study, I will read the actually study and then the book. Not sure if I can access the information. In all probability, I know I will not. Various eating patterns have been tried over the course of my lifetime and I've come to realize what foods keep me feeling well and happy. Alas, lots of fruit and veggies to the exclusion of animal protein, does not work for me.

I will continue to check on what you've said about Simpson saying the book states vegan diets can cure cancer. From portions of the book that I have read online, it seems that the book implies that this may be the case. I'm sure if I've interpreted this incorrectly, you'll be kind enough to correct me.

Actually, I just presented Dr. Simpson's website as an opposing view to veganism. There are many others who feel an all plant based diet isn't the best for mankind.

We all have matters, events, situations we feel strongly about. I don't really know you, VPL, can only get some of your personality from what and how you write here. Doing what you feel will help keep you free from certain conditions, is important to you and the vegan diet appears to be how you are going about achieving this. Hopefully it will work well for you and you will continue to live with the excellent health you now seem to be experiencing. Many of us recognize the importance of a good diet, but feel there are other diets more suitable for how we want to live. Everyday new research unlocks some of the mystery of what Man is and how Man works...it's really kind of neat. Hopefully one day there will be a definitive answer to why certain diseases plague us, why certain genes causing deformities, illness, turn on in some situations.
In the meantime, we all do what we think is best for us. I wish you health and happiness....

Thank you. I wish you the same.

I'm one of the few who can choose to eat a vegan diet or Paleo diet and be able to enjoy myself either way. I've actually tried a few different diets. I don't know why I'm able to be so flexible with my diet but I just am. And so I have chosen the diet that I believe has the least risk for cancer and all other degenerative diseases.

As I have said before, there are no guarantees. I'm only 71 so it's too soon to tell if I'll be able to avoid prostate cancer. My brother and father both got diagnosed at around age 79. If I can get past that age without incident, I'll be looking forward to many more years.

[senior citizen]

well, sort of, to the premise that plant based diets may lower the incidence of cancer and possibly vascular disease.

Dr. Terry Simpson is bariatric surgeon from Arizona. I've linked to his website....browse around, get another perspective on how food impacts our lives and how excess food can impact an individual.

I found it an interesting read. Hope you do also.

Vegans and Cancer:A Diet of Plants Wont Prevent or Cure Cancer | Your Doctor's Orders (http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/)


The above link was very very interesting......especially the list of the vegans who got cancer.

Malignancies can be caused by occupational, environmental, genetics making one predisposed to it, no matter what one eats or doesn't eat....and also by various other things one might ingest that are not considered FOOD.

I'll say it again, we know numerous individuals who led the healthy vegan lifestyle, exercised to the extreme and they all are dead. They all died at a younger age, slightly past middle age......from cancer. Their spouses who also followed the rigid "non eating" and exercise to the extreme, have also had numerous breast cancers. All of these folks were highly educated and very well off; traveled the world, took their health seriously.
Hobnobbed with doctors. Cycled, skiied, hiked, all the healthy activities.

When your number is up, your number is up.

I think a peaceful mind, a kind and joyful heart and a gentle soul goes a long way towards longevity........rather than obsessing over what NOT to eat.