These People are Teaching Our Children??????

[Mikeod]

College Says 'Men at Work' Sign is Sexist - Diversity - Fox Nation (http://nation.foxnews.com/diversity/2012/12/03/college-says-men-work-sign-sexist)
College Says 'Men at Work' Sign is Sexist
An Ohio community college forced a construction crew to remove its “Men Working” sign after the sign was deemed sexist and non-inclusive by a college administrator.
The construction crew at Sinclair Community College was forced to stop working until the sign had been removed.
A spokesman for the college told Fox News that they have a deep commitment to diversity and take it quite seriously.


AAAAAARRRRRRGGHH!

[2BNTV]

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG is right.

I believe in equal rights for all people but sometimes things are just a little too "politically correct". I guess they have to put a sign that reads, "work area".

[blueash]

Hey 2BNTV like your sig says, It doesn't cost anything to be nice. Nor does it cost anything to not offend 1/2 of your workforce, or whatever percent. I haven't seen a "Men working" sign in years. I thought every business had gotten the memo. Sometimes being "politically correct" is really just being correct. This action by the college was a result of a complaint about the sign. It was fixed and I think the company will get it right in the future.

[KeepingItReal]

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[Mikeod]

Hey 2BNTV like your sig says, It doesn't cost anything to be nice. Nor does it cost anything to not offend 1/2 of your workforce, or whatever percent. I haven't seen a "Men working" sign in years. I thought every business had gotten the memo. Sometimes being "politically correct" is really just being correct. This action by the college was a result of a complaint about the sign. It was fixed and I think the company will get it right in the future.
What if there were no women in the work crew? Would the sign not be correct in that instance?

[FMF Doc]

What if there were no women in the work crew? Would the sign not be correct in that instance?

Now I know what happened to that Australian rock group from the 80's.

:laugh::laugh:

[graciegirl]

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[Indydealmaker]

Hey 2BNTV like your sig says, It doesn't cost anything to be nice. Nor does it cost anything to not offend 1/2 of your workforce, or whatever percent. I haven't seen a "Men working" sign in years. I thought every business had gotten the memo. Sometimes being "politically correct" is really just being correct. This action by the college was a result of a complaint about the sign. It was fixed and I think the company will get it right in the future.

1/2 of a workplace never has been offended by labels in use for hundreds of years. Mainstream media and a few screaming meemees con everybody into thinking these are real issues. In fact those that believe these "politically correct" issues are valid are simply focusing on make believe issues because that is much easier than dealing with real life issues.

[Skybo]

I've always thought that if construction workers concerned themselves with PC issues, they'd be really offended by this: ;)

[cbg150]

Words are the tools we use to form our thoughts, they matter!

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[twinklesweep]

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG is right.

I believe in equal rights for all people but sometimes things are just a little too "politically correct". I guess they have to put a sign that reads, "work area".

Whether we agree or not with what has evolved into something called "political correctness" (which if i had to give it a name I would have called it "social correctness" since in reality there's nothing "political" about the issue itself), what is the big deal with the sign reading "work area" rather than "men working"? Is there something wrong with "flight attendant" (versus "stewardess"), "letter carrier" (rather than "mailman"), "firefighter" (as opposed to "fireman")? Really, what is the big deal?

[Golfingnut]

My wife and two daughters all have professional careers so I get it. Its not political, but it would be correct to say Work Area.

[Golfingnut]

This Ohio Community College administrator is way behind on political correctness as this has been going on since the 1990s. Most South Central Bell signs were changed to utility workers ahead or present. The money spent to change the signs could have been used a lot better. They could have been changed out as new ones were needed instead of all at once. However the underground cable manholes then are still called manholes today. This one could present a real challenge.....

Harassment Suits Curb Workplace Free Speech
Groups Admit Rights Are Being Trampled
June 23, 1997|By Vincent J. Schodolski, Tribune Staff Writer.
These include the decision by South Central Bell in Louisville, Ky., to change all of its "Men working" signs to gender-neutral warnings after the state's Commission on Women told the company the old signs contributed to a discriminatory workplace.

You have woMAN and MAN within the confines of MANkind, so they are OK.

[nitakk]

Citing Fox as a news source speaks volumes to the mindset of people. However, if this particular article is indeed true, which may be a first for Fox, the answer to your question is yes, these are exactly the people I want teaching my grandchildren, particularly my two grandaughers.

[quirky3]

Interesting that all but one of the complainers appear to be men. And congrats to the men with a more balanced perspective. How could you know what it feels like to be on the "other end" of this particular form of discrimination? The sign is just a symptom of the mindset. I agree with the others that see it as a step forward in supporting the daughters and grandaughters of the future.

[Bobbie416]

I remember about 35 years ago when I refused to sign a mortgage agreement that listed my husband's name and just listed me as wife. He could not understand my objection. Neither could the bank. So I said that I would agree to sign an agreement with just my name and him listed as husband. Both our names ended up on that mortgage agreement.

[Golfingnut]

I remember about 35 years ago when I refused to sign a mortgage agreement that listed my husband's name and just listed me as wife. He could not understand my objection. Neither could the bank. So I said that I would agree to sign an agreement with just my name and him listed as husband. Both our names ended up on that mortgage agreement.

Perfect example Bobbie. Thanks for that post. We are getting there, but there is some distance to travel for all but old white men. I am an old white man, so please no flames. I guess I should be threatened by women and minorities wanting to be my equal, but I am not. I am sure I owe that to the many female members of my direct family and I want them to have the same advantages that I have had all my life just because I was born male and white.

:pray:

[Graytop]

1/2 of a workplace never has been offended by labels in use for hundreds of years. Mainstream media and a few screaming meemees con everybody into thinking these are real issues. In fact those that believe these "politically correct" issues are valid are simply focusing on make believe issues because that is much easier than dealing with real life issues.

Agreed! :bowdown::bowdown:

[quirky3]

Perfect example Bobbie. Thanks for that post. We are getting there, but there is some distance to travel for all but old white men. I am an old white man, so please no flames. I guess I should be threatened by women and minorities wanting to be my equal, but I am not. I am sure I owe that to the many female members of my direct family and I want them to have the same advantages that I have had all my life just because I was born male and white.

:pray:

Sincere kudos to you! :BigApplause:

[mulligan]

This is precisely the type of colloquial nitpicking that helps our government grow ( they'll need a fleet of new inspectors to assure compliance), and keeps this very forum alive.

[2BNTV]

Whether we agree or not with what has evolved into something called "political correctness" (which if i had to give it a name I would have called it "social correctness" since in reality there's nothing "political" about the issue itself), what is the big deal with the sign reading "work area" rather than "men working"? Is there something wrong with "flight attendant" (versus "stewardess"), "letter carrier" (rather than "mailman"), "firefighter" (as opposed to "fireman")? Really, what is the big deal?

On second though, maybe society has a ways to go to not offend anyone. It just bounced off me like people are way too sensitive to every little thing.

I am for equal rights for all people and we all know, strides still need to be made to be totally equal. Like equal pay for the same type of work for men and women.

[billethkid]

screw the political correctness BS.....how about just a simple requiremnent like requiring the brain to be in gear.

Unfortynatelly some intellectuals, note I said some, may have the :smart" credentials but the have no common sense or touch with reality.

btk

[Mikeod]

OK. Now that everyone has had a chance to respond. My real, and only, problem with the incident in Colorado is that the college administrator forced the people (men) to stop working until the sign was fixed or removed. A real adult solution to the situation, IMHO, would have been to take up the matter with the main office of the company doing the work, and not with the crew simply doing their job with the tools, and signs, they had on hand.

[graciegirl]

OK. Now that everyone has had a chance to respond. My real, and only, problem with the incident in Colorado is that the college administrator forced the people (men) to stop working until the sign was fixed or removed. A real adult solution to the situation, IMHO, would have been to take up the matter with the main office of the company doing the work, and not with the crew simply doing their job with the tools, and signs, they had on hand.

Yup.

Seems simple to me too.

All that horsin' around is so bureaucratic....and so much the reason that the government wastes money. JUST WORK should be right up there with JUST DO IT.

[Golfingnut]

I think people are less likely to allow the long version of correcting sensitive speech to work now than in the past. Black american waited 200 years to slowly move from colored to black. Native Americans are still refereed to by some as Red Skins. I am appalled when I still hear reference to Mentally Challenged as retarded. No offence, and I fully understand these are exaggerations, but I use these to express a point, that when you are personally effected by hurtful words, then I think we all would become impatient. I feel we need to think twice and speak once. I apologize up front if I offend anyone with this post. Please take this post as a sincere request for sensitivity to all people.

[graciegirl]

I think people are less likely to allow the long version of correcting sensitive speech to work now than in the past. Black american waited 200 years to slowly move from colored to black. Native Americans are still refereed to by some as Red Skins. I am appalled when I still hear reference to Mentally Challenged as retarded. No offence, and I fully understand these are exaggerations, but I use these to express a point, that when you are personally effected by hurtful words, then I think we all would become impatient. I feel we need to think twice and speak once. I apologize up front if I offend anyone with this post. Please take this post as a sincere request for sensitivity to all people.

You are a dear person. But the incorrect signs could be addressed and let the men and women work while it was happening.

[Golfingnut]

You are a dear person. But the incorrect signs could be addressed and let the men and women work while it was happening.

Thank you and I agree with that, I just did not want every inappropriate reference to be dismissed by the good ole boy view that we are being TOO POLITICALLY CORRECT. We used to say that as a defense for the N word and so many other words used as a direct insult. Again, I agree the men in this case should have continued to work as they were not directly responsible and Men At Work is very small in comparison to some comments we all have made in the past.

[rubicon]

The gender pendulum has swung too far left and it is about time that this society recognizes that it has doing irreparable damage regarding the process of bringing boys to manhood and the evidence is apparent everywhere you look. And, political correctness by any other name is political correctness and its use is to stifle free speech. Its one thing not to go out of the way to hurt someone's feelings its quite another to believe within the certainties of the limits of nature that hurt feelings can be forever eliminated. Finally for this same limitation this faux-attempt at equality is self defeating and illusionary. I can't stands no more (Popeye)

[quirky3]

For me, it has nothing to do with hurting anyone's feelings or offending anyone. It is shifting the mindset to achieve equality in such things as job salary and opportunity. Here's one example - musicians in professional orchestras. Things are starting to shift, but why should one of your equally qualified daughters or grand-daughters be denied employment with an orchestra strictly based on their gender?

[rubicon]

For me, it has nothing to do with hurting anyone's feelings or offending anyone. It is shifting the mindset to achieve equality in such things as job salary and opportunity. Here's one example - musicians in professional orchestras. Things are starting to shift, but why should one of your equally qualified daughters or grand-daughters be denied employment with an orchestra strictly based on their gender?

Hi quirky3: I spent quite a few years in Human Resources Management and as an Operations Manager and I can tell you that in our industry women made as much as men. I can't speak to other industires or professions with any specificity but can say confidently that one of the reason government stats show women being paid less has to do with the fact that they leave the workplace to raise children take care of ailing parens, etc. So the equation tilts not because of lower pay but because women worked less time during that period under review.

In our industry whether women were professionals, management, technical or clerks they took more leave of absences than men. This was one of my references to limits of nature. How many men do you know that would be good caretakers? I don't deal in absolutes , so certainly there are some but they are in the minoritity

[quirky3]

Hi quirky3: I spent quite a few years in Human Resources Management and as an Operations Manager and I can tell you that in our industry women made as much as men. I can't speak to other industires or professions with any specificity but can say confidently that one of the reason government stats show women being paid less has to do with the fact that they leave the workplace to raise children take care of ailing parens, etc. So the equation tilts not because of lower pay but because women worked less time during that period under review.

In our industry whether women were professionals, management, technical or clerks they took more leave of absences than men. This was one of my references to limits of nature. How many men do you know that would be good caretakers? I don't deal in absolutes , so certainly there are some but they are in the minoritity

I hope some day all industries provide equal pay for equal work.

[capecodbob]

Citing Fox as a news source speaks volumes to the mindset of people. However, if this particular article is indeed true, which may be a first for Fox, the answer to your question is yes, these are exactly the people I want teaching my grandchildren, particularly my two grandaughers.

WOW!!! FOX News Lies??
Forget to take your meds?

[Bobbie416]

I remember applying for a job as a computer programmer in 1970. The person with whom I spoke asked if I was calling for my husband!!! He could not imagine a female computer programmer. Also, at that time, I know for a fact that female programmer trainees were paid less than male programmer trainees at the same company. We have come a long way.

I also feel that the workers could have continued working while the sign issue was handled.

[2BNTV]

I hope some day all industries provide equal pay for equal work.

:agree:

[buggyone]

The source of the poster's story was Fox Noise. Personally, I would be ashamed to have Faux News cited as my source but each to their own, I guess.

The title of the post was "These People are Teaching Our Children?" Well, most likely, it is OUR children that are doing the teaching to the next generation in colleges. We should be very proud of ourselves for giving our children the opportunities to teach others the same way we taught them that women and men ARE equal and that sexism is a Neanthredral idea.

[Golfingnut]

The source of the poster's story was Fox Noise. Personally, I would be ashamed to have Faux News cited as my source but each to their own, I guess.

The title of the post was "These People are Teaching Our Children?" Well, most likely, it is OUR children that are doing the teaching to the next generation in colleges. We should be very proud of ourselves for giving our children the opportunities to teach others the same way we taught them that women and men ARE equal and that sexism is a Neanthredral idea.

A little sharp on the edges there Buggyone, but what your point is spot on and I agree with you 100%. Some folks will change slowly and unfortunately some will pass on with their mean spirited ways, but I do believe we have came a long way in my life time.

[billethkid]

also keep in mind some folks come from a time and background when/where the today offensive terms were the term of the day.

We are all victims of a society not so slowly evolving towards do not say or do anything that might offend some one else even if the some one else deserves it or are wrong.

Some views of racial, religious, political, gender rights has become super distorted with the same degree of attention given to everything....minority reports/issues/prejudice....like the men working signs or not allowing Charlie Brown Christmas. The current trend is ruinous/insulting/unacceptable to those of us with an ability to think in the moral majority.

We are losing the right of free speech to call a spade a spade, if it might/could/possibly/God forbid it offend any one person or special interest group.

btk

[Indydealmaker]

Babies are born equal. After that it is up the parents and the maturing children to keep that equality status. Are we truly permanently equal; or is equal status something that is earned and maintained?

Is the mother that kills her children equal to the mother that responsibly raises her kids, endures the trials and tribulations of life to send her offspring out into life with an equal opportunity to thrive?

Just wondering?

[casita37]

My friend posted this on facebook. Like I said to her, "The college asked, the construction company complied" Not really a news story, unless you're fox news looking to stir up something new, and really, this is very old news. Like someone said....they didn't get the memo?? The PR person for the college even said they probably didn't need to stop working, so maybe they could have asked nicer?

[blueash]

also keep in mind some folks come from a time and background when/where the today offensive terms were the term of the day.

We are all victims of a society not so slowly evolving towards do not say or do anything that might offend some one else even if the some one else deserves it or are wrong.

Some views of racial, religious, political, gender rights has become super distorted with the same degree of attention given to everything....minority reports/issues/prejudice....like the men working signs or not allowing Charlie Brown Christmas. The current trend is ruinous/insulting/unacceptable to those of us with an ability to think in the moral majority.

We are losing the right of free speech to call a spade a spade, if it might/could/possibly/God forbid it offend any one person or special interest group.

btk

No one is taking away your "right of free speech". Instead the majority of "us with an ability to think" don't find sexism, racism, ageism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc. to be acceptable and we are willing to point it out when these opinions are expressed. While stopping the work crew until their signage was not offensive may have been extreme, it made the point clearly and not only will fix the problem for that particular company but because of the national coverage will remind other companies to not repeat the error. If a company thinks having "men working" signs is a good idea I suggest they mention that detail in their bid for the job and see how well it goes in getting contracts.

[Golfingnut]

also keep in mind some folks come from a time and background when/where the today offensive terms were the term of the day.

We are all victims of a society not so slowly evolving towards do not say or do anything that might offend some one else even if the some one else deserves it or are wrong.

Some views of racial, religious, political, gender rights has become super distorted with the same degree of attention given to everything....minority reports/issues/prejudice....like the men working signs or not allowing Charlie Brown Christmas. The current trend is ruinous/insulting/unacceptable to those of us with an ability to think in the moral majority.

We are losing the right of free speech to call a spade a spade, if it might/could/possibly/God forbid it offend any one person or special interest group.

btk

I am not so sure that freedom of speech was intended for anyone to have the right to call someone a spade.

[graciegirl]

I am not so sure that freedom of speech was intended for anyone to have the right to call someone a spade.


Oh dear.

[Indydealmaker]

I am not so sure that freedom of speech was intended for anyone to have the right to call someone a spade.

You are being humorous, right?:rolleyes: