Go vegan to prevent a heart attack.....or not & visit ER

[jimbo2012]

By Heather Moore

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

If you’re suffering from the winter blues — whether you’re dealing with a bout of the flu or digging yourself out from several feet of snow — you might want to make yourself a soothing cup of soy cocoa before reading about the latest health news. Cardiologists with the University of New Mexico and the Heart Institute at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Angeles believe that people are up to 36 percent more likely to have fatal heart attacks and strokes in winter than summer — even if they reside in warmer regions, such as Southern California or Florida.

The cardiologists — who analyzed around 1.7 million death certificates filed between 2005 and 2008 for people in Arizona, Georgia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington and Los Angeles — aren’t entirely sure why health risks go up during the winter, but they note that environmental factors, emotional stress and poor lifestyle choices can trigger heart attacks and strokes. People tend to exercise less and eat heavier, cholesterol-laden meals in winter months.

Winter or not, I’m not too worried: I’m vegan.

‘Heart-attack-proof

Vegans are virtually “heart-attack-proof,” according to Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, star of the acclaimed documentary “Forks Over Knives.” Esselstyn has cured patients with clogged arteries just by putting them on healthy vegan diets.

If you, too, want to reduce your risk of a heart attack — and give yourself a bit more peace of mind this winter — try eating tasty vegan foods, such as black bean and corn chili, lentil and spinach soup, pasta primavera and faux-chicken pot pie.

Vegan foods taste great, and they’re cholesterol-free and generally low in saturated fat. According to Dr. David Jenkins, a nutrition scientist at the University of Toronto, “the evidence is very strong that vegans, who eat no animal products, have the best cardiovascular health profile and the lowest cholesterol levels.”

The human body manufactures all the cholesterol it needs, so each additional 100 milligrams of cholesterol that you consume by eating meat, eggs or dairy products — the only dietary sources of cholesterol — adds roughly five points to your cholesterol level. When enough cholesterol and fat clog your coronary arteries — the ones leading to your heart — your heart will lose some of its blood supply, and you’ll have a heart attack.

But every time you reduce your cholesterol level by 1 percent, you reduce your risk of a heart attack by 2 percent. Researchers from Oxford University recently found that vegetarians have a 32 percent lower risk of falling ill or dying from heart disease than do people who eat meat and fish.

William Castelli, the director of the Framingham Heart Study, the longest-running clinical study in medical history, believes that the heart-disease epidemic would disappear if people simply ate a vegan diet. The statistics back up his theory, too. The average vegan has a cholesterol level of 133 — 77 points lower than the average meat-eating American’s and 28 points lower than the average vegetarian’s. There haven’t been any reported heart attacks in people with cholesterol levels below 150.

Plant-based diet

In fact, research shows that people who follow a plant-based diet have 2.5 times fewer cardiac events, including heart attacks, strokes, bypass surgery and angioplasty, than do people who eat animal-based foods.

If you want to save lives — animals’ and your own — take this information to heart and eat vegan foods this winter and all year round.

Heather Moore is a staff writer for the PETA Foundation. Distributed by MCT Information Services.

[Uptown Girl]

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

[graciegirl]

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

Wow.


You have all of the qualifications I seek in a friend. You are smart, diplomatic, moderate in your views, open minded and just plain funny.

Thank heavens you ARE my friend because if you weren't I would have missed all that.

Damned straight, girl.

I am considering your last sentence for the wall words in our great room. At the very least I will steal them and make people think I thought it.

[senior citizen]

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

All things in moderation is a smart choice.
B12 and heme iron are found in beef, etc..........
Information On Food Sources With Iron And B12 | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/article/81661-information-sources-iron-b12/)

[justjim]

All things in moderation is a smart choice.
B12 and heme iron are found in beef, etc..........
Information On Food Sources With Iron And B12 | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/article/81661-information-sources-iron-b12/)

:bigbow: Exactly---everything in moderation----I like that!

[Shelter Lady]

By Heather Moore

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

If you’re suffering from the winter blues — whether you’re dealing with a bout of the flu or digging yourself out from several feet of snow — you might want to make yourself a soothing cup of soy cocoa before reading about the latest health news. Cardiologists with the University of New Mexico and the Heart Institute at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Angeles believe that people are up to 36 percent more likely to have fatal heart attacks and strokes in winter than summer — even if they reside in warmer regions, such as Southern California or Florida.

The cardiologists — who analyzed around 1.7 million death certificates filed between 2005 and 2008 for people in Arizona, Georgia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington and Los Angeles — aren’t entirely sure why health risks go up during the winter, but they note that environmental factors, emotional stress and poor lifestyle choices can trigger heart attacks and strokes. People tend to exercise less and eat heavier, cholesterol-laden meals in winter months.

Winter or not, I’m not too worried: I’m vegan.

‘Heart-attack-proof

Vegans are virtually “heart-attack-proof,” according to Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, star of the acclaimed documentary “Forks Over Knives.” Esselstyn has cured patients with clogged arteries just by putting them on healthy vegan diets.

If you, too, want to reduce your risk of a heart attack — and give yourself a bit more peace of mind this winter — try eating tasty vegan foods, such as black bean and corn chili, lentil and spinach soup, pasta primavera and faux-chicken pot pie.

Vegan foods taste great, and they’re cholesterol-free and generally low in saturated fat. According to Dr. David Jenkins, a nutrition scientist at the University of Toronto, “the evidence is very strong that vegans, who eat no animal products, have the best cardiovascular health profile and the lowest cholesterol levels.”

The human body manufactures all the cholesterol it needs, so each additional 100 milligrams of cholesterol that you consume by eating meat, eggs or dairy products — the only dietary sources of cholesterol — adds roughly five points to your cholesterol level. When enough cholesterol and fat clog your coronary arteries — the ones leading to your heart — your heart will lose some of its blood supply, and you’ll have a heart attack.

But every time you reduce your cholesterol level by 1 percent, you reduce your risk of a heart attack by 2 percent. Researchers from Oxford University recently found that vegetarians have a 32 percent lower risk of falling ill or dying from heart disease than do people who eat meat and fish.

William Castelli, the director of the Framingham Heart Study, the longest-running clinical study in medical history, believes that the heart-disease epidemic would disappear if people simply ate a vegan diet. The statistics back up his theory, too. The average vegan has a cholesterol level of 133 — 77 points lower than the average meat-eating American’s and 28 points lower than the average vegetarian’s. There haven’t been any reported heart attacks in people with cholesterol levels below 150.

Plant-based diet

In fact, research shows that people who follow a plant-based diet have 2.5 times fewer cardiac events, including heart attacks, strokes, bypass surgery and angioplasty, than do people who eat animal-based foods.

If you want to save lives — animals’ and your own — take this information to heart and eat vegan foods this winter and all year round.

Heather Moore is a staff writer for the PETA Foundation. Distributed by MCT Information Services.

As a new resident of The Villages, I have discovered that it is hard to be a vegetarian here. I have been to two social events at which I paid for dinner only to discover that there was nothing on the menu that I would eat. The salad even had meat in it. In addition, I am lactose-intolerant which only adds to the difficulty of finding something to eat at social events.

[Golfingnut]

I feel so guilty, I am headed for lunch in a little while to have a Steak and Cheese sub with french fried potatoes and a few beers to wash it down. Now I probably won't even enjoy desert. I know I would live longer if I watched my diet more, but just how boring do you want to live your life. I would be sad without greasy food and cold beer. Then I would get depressed and commit harry carry. Then my wife would lose all respect for me and my life would have been for nothing.

[blueash]

There haven’t been any reported heart attacks in people with cholesterol levels below 150.

It is accurate to state that diet plays a role in cardiovascular health. IMO you overplay your hand when the experts you cite are PETA and movie makers who are certainly not objective scientists. There are many many confounding factors when you try to compare American vegans, vegetarians and omnivores including multiple additional lifestyle decisions made by people who choose to be vegans. However the above claim is false.
Elsevier (http://www.ahjonline.com/article/S0002-8703(08)00717-5/journalimage?loc=gr1&src=fig&free=yes&source=imageTab)
This is a study of the lipid levels of 136,000 patients admitted with heart attacks. While the total cholesterols are not reported, the LDL and HDL levels are given. As LDL is the "bad" cholesterol and 17.6% of patients admitted with MI's had LDL lower than 70, the lowest range listed. And as to whether there have been MI's in Framingham patients with total cholesterols below 150..

2011-02-18 William Castelli MD Heart Disease Risk, Cholesterol and Lipids in 2011: What Do We Really Know? | Interview Transcripts (http://www.prescription2000.com/Interview-Transcripts/2011-02-18-william-castelli-heart-disease-lipids-transcript.html)

"DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: .. we have had about a half a dozen people get eventually a heart attack with a total cholesterol under 150 in Framingham. One of them did have this high triglyceride/low HDL syndrome. The other four or five, we don't know what they had."

It is very complex. Statins are clearly not the cure all they were hoped to be. People who exercise vigorously are not immune to heart disease. People who smoke can live to be 100 and non-smokers do get lung cancer. One of the great promises of genetic medicine is that in the perhaps not too distant future each person will be able to get individualized care specific to their situation.

[K9-Lovers]

Visit the EAT RAW club at 1 pm, Seabreeze Rec center on Feb 20. I'll be there. They are featuring nationally known chefs demonstrating yummy dishes.

[jimbo2012]

It is accurate to state that diet plays a role in cardiovascular health. IMO you overplay your hand when the experts you cite are PETA and movie makers who are certainly not objective scientists.



First of all I'm not citing anything, don't shoot the messenger, ok.

I just posted an interesting story.

But I can give U excuse me drown in enough scientific evidence that supports 150 level.

[KayakerNC]

First of all I'm not citing anything, don't shoot the messenger, ok.
I just posted an interesting story.
But I can give U excuse me drown in enough scientific evidence that supports 150 level.


Cite;
1. to quote or refer to (a passage, book, or author) in substantiation as an authority, proof, or example.
So, yeah, you seem to be citing the "story".

[jimbo2012]

tks teach,

I'm out of school a looooong time.

If U don't like the thread content......

[Villages PL]

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

I can't help but wonder what your diet was like. Vegetarians can eat in a variety of ways.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

I would think that would simply call for more fat in your diet.

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

In that case, why not include more high calorie foods like whole grains and healthy fats? And perhaps more plant based proteins, if needed.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

Who advised you to do that?

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

I'm not sure what "mid-range in all things" means. I can't exactly picture what your diet consists of.

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

Steering your own boat is fine, I'm just not sure it's helpful to others who may not have any sense of direction. I think this health board represents an opportunity to help others. But if we simply suggest, "all things in moderation" we may possibly end up with more of the same.

[Villages PL]

All things in moderation is a smart choice.
B12 and heme iron are found in beef, etc..........
Information On Food Sources With Iron And B12 | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/article/81661-information-sources-iron-b12/)

Lots of foods contain iron, like lentils and leafy greens. And she said she had sudied the subject of proper supplementation. I don't believe in taking multiple vitamins but I don't see anything wrong with taking a B-12 supplement or a D3 supplement, if needed.

How do we know if moderation is a smart choice if we don't know what the moderation consists of? Lots of people who sound smart don't make smart choices. Lots of people who are overweight, obese, and/or undernourished claim to practice moderation.

[Villages PL]

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Wow.


You have all of the qualifications I seek in a friend. You are smart, diplomatic, moderate in your views, open minded and just plain funny.

Thank heavens you ARE my friend because if you weren't I would have missed all that.

Damned straight, girl.

I am considering your last sentence for the wall words in our great room. At the very least I will steal them and make people think I thought it.

What specifically did you like? Steering the boat in some unforseen direction?
Perhaps we could save people the trouble of going to college to study nutrition etc. and stop all future health studies. We don't need no stinking college degrees and we don't need no stinking health/diet books. All we need is the following statement: "Steer your own boat!" :icon_wink:

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who die from diabetes and heart disease every year. Were they not, for the most part, steering their own boat?

[Villages PL]

:bigbow: Exactly---everything in moderation----I like that!

What exactly do you have in mind? How often do you have pizza, breaded and deep fried foods, ice cream, pastries, soft drinks, alcoholic beverages, pie, cake and cookies etc.? Remember, this is the Medical and Health Discussion board.

[Villages PL]

:bigbow: Exactly---everything in moderation----I like that!

What exactly do you have in mind? How often do you have pizza, breaded and deep fried foods, ice cream, pastries, soft drinks, alcoholic beverages, pie, cake and cookies etc.? (Remember, this is the Medical and Health Discussion board.)

[skyc6]

What exactly do you have in mind? How often do you have pizza, breaded and deep fried foods, ice cream, pastries, soft drinks, alcoholic beverages, pie, cake and cookies etc.? (Remember, this is the Medical and Health Discussion board.)

I'm not sure all of these personal questions should be your concern. She stated her opinion and you stated yours. Vive La Difference!

[Villages PL]

As a new resident of The Villages, I have discovered that it is hard to be a vegetarian here. I have been to two social events at which I paid for dinner only to discover that there was nothing on the menu that I would eat. The salad even had meat in it. In addition, I am lactose-intolerant which only adds to the difficulty of finding something to eat at social events.

As a (mostly) vegan person, I can empathize with you. It's not easy, especially if you are going to a lot of social events. You should be able to enjoy eating as you choose. But whoever's in charge doesn't want you steering your boat in a different direction (away from illness).

The only thing you might try is finding clubs with people that believe in eating the same healthy foods and make friends with them.

[Villages PL]

I'm not sure all of these personal questions should be your concern. She stated her opinion and you stated yours. Vive La Difference!

Well, I'm sure because this thread is supposed to be about health and I wonder why people say things that don't quite make sense, healthwise.

[asianthree]

but then there is the exception of the vegan of 29years of his 42 years of life, who is 5'7" weights 139.4....has played competive and college hockey since the age of 5, runs 4 miles a day and walks to work 2.8 miles each way. Yet his cholesterol is out of control with meds, and he will soon have a cardiac cath. So sometimes its not about moderation or life choices, you just have the wrong parents and grandparents.....just saying

[ilovetv]

but then there is the exception of the vegan of 29years of his 42 years of life, who is 5'7" weights 139.4....has played competive and college hockey since the age of 5, runs 4 miles a day and walks to work 2.8 miles each way. Yet his cholesterol is out of control with meds, and he will soon have a cardiac cath. So sometimes its not about moderation or life choices, you just have the wrong parents and grandparents.....just saying

Well said.

[graciegirl]

Well, I'm sure because this thread is supposed to be about health and I wonder why people say things that don't quite make sense, healthwise.

Now, Villages Pl. You do it all of the time....in my opinion.

AND my reaction to Uptown Girl's post was meant to be light hearted and fun. I do believe that a sense of humor is genetic too. Some people are always serious about things and that is the personality that they were born with.

But to many of us a sense of humor is a precious commodity that allows the days that we do have on this earth to be pleasant and fufilling.

Most of us try to do what is good for us, and we all have different opinions about what that is, and we seek different kinds of people to guide us.

I sense you feel that the health choices you have made for your self are the only right ones. I disagree. That is my opinion.

And as for steering your boat and your reaction to that statement. .

I will go WAY down to the bottom line and say that we will all die of something. We may live a little longer if we do this or that, or a lot longer if we don't do this or that....but there is only ONE WAY OUT.

Do the best you can to take care of yourself and others in your life and don't waste any moments to savor life... because none of us knows when will be our last day here.

[angiefox10]

Now, Villages Pl. You do it all of the time....in my opinion.

AND my reaction to Uptown Girl's post was meant to be light hearted and fun. I do believe that a sense of humor is genetic too. Some people are always serious about things and that is the personality that they were born with.

But to many of us a sense of humor is a precious commodity that allows the days that we do have on this earth to be pleasant and fufilling.

Most of us try to do what is good for us, and we all have different opinions about what that is, and we seek different kinds of people to guide us.

I sense you feel that the health choices you have made for your self are the only right ones. I disagree. That is my opinion.

And as for steering your boat and your reaction to that statement. ..What about all of the people who are overweight or diabetic...were they steering their own boat?

I will go WAY down to the bottom line and say that we will all die of something. We may live a little longer if we do this or that, or a lot longer if we don't do this or that....but there is only ONE WAY OUT.

Now is the time to laugh and to dance.

Well said...

[jimbo2012]

but then there is the exception of the vegan of 29years of his 42 years of life, who is 5'7" weights 139.4....has played competive and college hockey since the age of 5, runs 4 miles a day and walks to work 2.8 miles each way. Yet his cholesterol is out of control with meds, and he will soon have a cardiac cath. So sometimes its not about moderation or life choices, you just have the wrong parents and grandparents.....just saying

There is significant data that says other wise. (except in a VERY rare case)

Heredity is an easy or over used excuse for some not to eat right and take meds to offset their diet.

[villagerjack]

"First of all I'm not citing anything, don't shoot the messenger"

BUT your headline may seem to suggest something different?

[skyc6]

Well, I'm sure because this thread is supposed to be about health and I wonder why people say things that don't quite make sense, healthwise.

But I felt she did give very valid reasons why she made the decisions she did for herself. I think at that point, she is "steering her own boat!"

[Uptown Girl]

What specifically did you like? Steering the boat in some unforseen direction?
Perhaps we could save people the trouble of going to college to study nutrition etc. and stop all future health studies. We don't need no stinking college degrees and we don't need no stinking health/diet books. All we need is the following statement: "Steer your own boat!" :icon_wink:

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who die from diabetes and heart disease every year. Were they not, for the most part, steering their own boat?

Perhaps you would be happier with me if I rephrase my choice of words in this way, as this is a true belief of mine: We each have the responsibility as adults to 'steer our own boat' .. and have the freedom to choose the direction we go. Others don't have to agree with our personal direction. They may think we are way off course. Oh well.
We are responsible for our decisions.
We are each responsible for the care of our bodies, including what we put in them.
You may hold as your truth that a vegetarian or vegan diet is the optimum for health and integrity of being a human being. I don't mind if you do.
Does that help?
If not, just skip over any future posts I may make or block me out. Then my squeeky noises won't irritate you.:)

[Villages PL]

but then there is the exception of the vegan of 29years of his 42 years of life, who is 5'7" weights 139.4....has played competive and college hockey since the age of 5, runs 4 miles a day and walks to work 2.8 miles each way. Yet his cholesterol is out of control with meds, and he will soon have a cardiac cath. So sometimes its not about moderation or life choices, you just have the wrong parents and grandparents.....just saying

From my experience, athletes are often the worst diet offenders. Athletes need lots and lots of calories to burn that fruits and vegetables will never provide because most natural whole vegan foods are low in calories. Even whole grains and nuts may not work for them because they need something that is easy to store and convenient to eat on the run.

Before a run, during a run or after a run, energy bars and energy drinks fit the bill. Before a hockey game, during(?) hocky and after hockey, energy bars provide needed (compact) energy.

Athletes can burn 4, 5, 6 thousand or more calories per day and it's often not possible to get it from natural whole foods. I have such a friend who has a sweet tooth for chocolate bars, energy bars and sweetened energy drinks. This may not be good when trying to control colesterol. Also, the stress of competition (hockey is a good example) can raise colesterol.

[Villages PL]

Perhaps you would be happier with me if I rephrase my choice of words in this way, as this is a true belief of mine: We each have the responsibility as adults to 'steer our own boat' .. and have the freedom to choose the direction we go. Others don't have to agree with our personal direction. They may think we are way off course. Oh well.
We are responsible for our decisions.
We are each responsible for the care of our bodies, including what we put in them.
You may hold as your truth that a vegetarian or vegan diet is the optimum for health and integrity of being a human being. I don't mind if you do.
Does that help?

Yes, that's a big help because I got the impression you were trying to say that vegetarianism and veganism do not work or will not work in the long run for most people. I thought because of your disappointment with it you were trying to warn others away from it.

Personal responsibility and freedom to choose our own direction is something I agree with. I never doubted that; it's a given and everyone is doing it. Although, with 70% of seniors being overweight or obese, I don't think they're doing a very good job of being responsible. When you look at statistics for health and weight in the U.S., the overwelming majority are making poor choices. And eveyone pays for those poor choices, sometimes through taxes and sometimes through higher health insurance premiums. That's why I feel as though I have a right to speak up and criticize those who make poor choices.

[Villages PL]

AND my reaction to Uptown Girl's post was meant to be light hearted and fun. I do believe that a sense of humor is genetic too. Some people are always serious about things and that is the personality that they were born with.[

If you spend any time over at the "fun board" you know I have a sense of humor. Remember when I posted my infamous "high 5 thread"? Many, lead by you, attacked me viciously. Where was your sense of humor then? :) It got so vicious, the moderator had to close down the thread.

Most of us try to do what is good for us, and we all have different opinions about what that is, and we seek different kinds of people to guide us.

And where does your guidance come from?

I sense you feel that the health choices you have made for your self are the only right ones. I disagree. That is my opinion.

Rather than trying to sense what I feel, why don't you ask me? Instead, you imagine what I think and then you disagree. And I don't remember you taking the risk of telling anyone what your diet is like. That way it's easier to pretend to have a better diet. You stay above it all....like a true moderate. :) (That's not a political statement...it's moderate, conservative and liberal as it applies to diet.) I consider my diet to be ultra conservative.

And as for steering your boat and your reaction to that statement. .

I will go WAY down to the bottom line and say that we will all die of something. We may live a little longer if we do this or that, or a lot longer if we don't do this or that....but there is only ONE WAY OUT.

Sure, I agree, how could I not? That being the case, I guess we should all call for this Medical and Health Discussion Board to be shut down. What's the point if we are all doomed to die of something?

Do the best you can to take care of yourself and others in your life and don't waste any moments to savor life... because none of us knows when will be our last day here.

I'm savoring this thread. :)

[graciegirl]

If you spend any time over at the "fun board" you know I have a sense of humor. Remember when I posted my infamous "high 5 thread"? Many, lead by you, attacked me viciously. Where was your sense of humor then? :) It got so vicious, the moderator had to close down the thread.



And where does your guidance come from?



Rather than trying to sense what I feel, why don't you ask me? Instead, you imagine what I think and then you disagree. And I don't remember you taking the risk of telling anyone what your diet is like. That way it's easier to pretend to have a better diet. You stay above it all....like a true moderate. :) (That's not a political statement...it's moderate, conservative and liberal as it applies to diet.) I consider my diet to be ultra conservative.



Sure, I agree, how could I not? That being the case, I guess we should all call for this Medical and Health Discussion Board to be shut down. What's the point if we are all doomed to die of something?



I'm savoring this thread. :)

I am glad you are enjoying it.

[jimbo2012]

I knew when I started it U would jump right in..

keep the info coming

[Jerseygirl08]

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Wow.


You have all of the qualifications I seek in a friend. You are smart, diplomatic, moderate in your views, open minded and just plain funny.

Thank heavens you ARE my friend because if you weren't I would have missed all that.

Damned straight, girl.

I am considering your last sentence for the wall words in our great room. At the very least I will steal them and make people think I thought it.

I agree Gracie. WOW. Uptown, you are dead spot on!!

[Vinny]

All my vegan friends are dead. Same age too. I credit that to my meat and potatoes diet with no vegetables. My family members all live into their nineties. Meat eaters, everyone of them. Sure some had heart attacks but after their bypass they were good to go for 20 more years. A week in the hospital for a lifetime of juicy steaks sounds like a fair trade off to me.

[A-4 Skyhawk]

All my vegan friends are dead. Same age too. I credit that to my meat and potatoes diet with no vegetables. My family members all live into their nineties. Meat eaters, everyone of them. Sure some had heart attacks but after their bypass they were good to go for 20 more years. A week in the hospital for a lifetime of juicy steaks sounds like a fair trade off to me.

Throw in a couple of good cold beers with that steak and taters and you can sign me up :a040: