[jimbo2012]

By Heather Moore

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

If you’re suffering from the winter blues — whether you’re dealing with a bout of the flu or digging yourself out from several feet of snow — you might want to make yourself a soothing cup of soy cocoa before reading about the latest health news. Cardiologists with the University of New Mexico and the Heart Institute at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Angeles believe that people are up to 36 percent more likely to have fatal heart attacks and strokes in winter than summer — even if they reside in warmer regions, such as Southern California or Florida.

The cardiologists — who analyzed around 1.7 million death certificates filed between 2005 and 2008 for people in Arizona, Georgia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington and Los Angeles — aren’t entirely sure why health risks go up during the winter, but they note that environmental factors, emotional stress and poor lifestyle choices can trigger heart attacks and strokes. People tend to exercise less and eat heavier, cholesterol-laden meals in winter months.

Winter or not, I’m not too worried: I’m vegan.

‘Heart-attack-proof

Vegans are virtually “heart-attack-proof,” according to Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, star of the acclaimed documentary “Forks Over Knives.” Esselstyn has cured patients with clogged arteries just by putting them on healthy vegan diets.

If you, too, want to reduce your risk of a heart attack — and give yourself a bit more peace of mind this winter — try eating tasty vegan foods, such as black bean and corn chili, lentil and spinach soup, pasta primavera and faux-chicken pot pie.

Vegan foods taste great, and they’re cholesterol-free and generally low in saturated fat. According to Dr. David Jenkins, a nutrition scientist at the University of Toronto, “the evidence is very strong that vegans, who eat no animal products, have the best cardiovascular health profile and the lowest cholesterol levels.”

The human body manufactures all the cholesterol it needs, so each additional 100 milligrams of cholesterol that you consume by eating meat, eggs or dairy products — the only dietary sources of cholesterol — adds roughly five points to your cholesterol level. When enough cholesterol and fat clog your coronary arteries — the ones leading to your heart — your heart will lose some of its blood supply, and you’ll have a heart attack.

But every time you reduce your cholesterol level by 1 percent, you reduce your risk of a heart attack by 2 percent. Researchers from Oxford University recently found that vegetarians have a 32 percent lower risk of falling ill or dying from heart disease than do people who eat meat and fish.

William Castelli, the director of the Framingham Heart Study, the longest-running clinical study in medical history, believes that the heart-disease epidemic would disappear if people simply ate a vegan diet. The statistics back up his theory, too. The average vegan has a cholesterol level of 133 — 77 points lower than the average meat-eating American’s and 28 points lower than the average vegetarian’s. There haven’t been any reported heart attacks in people with cholesterol levels below 150.

Plant-based diet

In fact, research shows that people who follow a plant-based diet have 2.5 times fewer cardiac events, including heart attacks, strokes, bypass surgery and angioplasty, than do people who eat animal-based foods.

If you want to save lives — animals’ and your own — take this information to heart and eat vegan foods this winter and all year round.

Heather Moore is a staff writer for the PETA Foundation. Distributed by MCT Information Services.

[Uptown Girl]

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

Wow.


You have all of the qualifications I seek in a friend. You are smart, diplomatic, moderate in your views, open minded and just plain funny.

Thank heavens you ARE my friend because if you weren't I would have missed all that.

Damned straight, girl.

I am considering your last sentence for the wall words in our great room. At the very least I will steal them and make people think I thought it.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

All things in moderation is a smart choice.
B12 and heme iron are found in beef, etc..........
Information On Food Sources With Iron And B12 | LIVESTRONG.COM

[justjim]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

All things in moderation is a smart choice.
B12 and heme iron are found in beef, etc..........
Information On Food Sources With Iron And B12 | LIVESTRONG.COM

Exactly---everything in moderation----I like that!

[Shelter Lady]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

By Heather Moore

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

If you’re suffering from the winter blues — whether you’re dealing with a bout of the flu or digging yourself out from several feet of snow — you might want to make yourself a soothing cup of soy cocoa before reading about the latest health news. Cardiologists with the University of New Mexico and the Heart Institute at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Angeles believe that people are up to 36 percent more likely to have fatal heart attacks and strokes in winter than summer — even if they reside in warmer regions, such as Southern California or Florida.

The cardiologists — who analyzed around 1.7 million death certificates filed between 2005 and 2008 for people in Arizona, Georgia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington and Los Angeles — aren’t entirely sure why health risks go up during the winter, but they note that environmental factors, emotional stress and poor lifestyle choices can trigger heart attacks and strokes. People tend to exercise less and eat heavier, cholesterol-laden meals in winter months.

Winter or not, I’m not too worried: I’m vegan.

‘Heart-attack-proof

Vegans are virtually “heart-attack-proof,” according to Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, star of the acclaimed documentary “Forks Over Knives.” Esselstyn has cured patients with clogged arteries just by putting them on healthy vegan diets.

If you, too, want to reduce your risk of a heart attack — and give yourself a bit more peace of mind this winter — try eating tasty vegan foods, such as black bean and corn chili, lentil and spinach soup, pasta primavera and faux-chicken pot pie.

Vegan foods taste great, and they’re cholesterol-free and generally low in saturated fat. According to Dr. David Jenkins, a nutrition scientist at the University of Toronto, “the evidence is very strong that vegans, who eat no animal products, have the best cardiovascular health profile and the lowest cholesterol levels.”

The human body manufactures all the cholesterol it needs, so each additional 100 milligrams of cholesterol that you consume by eating meat, eggs or dairy products — the only dietary sources of cholesterol — adds roughly five points to your cholesterol level. When enough cholesterol and fat clog your coronary arteries — the ones leading to your heart — your heart will lose some of its blood supply, and you’ll have a heart attack.

But every time you reduce your cholesterol level by 1 percent, you reduce your risk of a heart attack by 2 percent. Researchers from Oxford University recently found that vegetarians have a 32 percent lower risk of falling ill or dying from heart disease than do people who eat meat and fish.

William Castelli, the director of the Framingham Heart Study, the longest-running clinical study in medical history, believes that the heart-disease epidemic would disappear if people simply ate a vegan diet. The statistics back up his theory, too. The average vegan has a cholesterol level of 133 — 77 points lower than the average meat-eating American’s and 28 points lower than the average vegetarian’s. There haven’t been any reported heart attacks in people with cholesterol levels below 150.

Plant-based diet

In fact, research shows that people who follow a plant-based diet have 2.5 times fewer cardiac events, including heart attacks, strokes, bypass surgery and angioplasty, than do people who eat animal-based foods.

If you want to save lives — animals’ and your own — take this information to heart and eat vegan foods this winter and all year round.

Heather Moore is a staff writer for the PETA Foundation. Distributed by MCT Information Services.

As a new resident of The Villages, I have discovered that it is hard to be a vegetarian here. I have been to two social events at which I paid for dinner only to discover that there was nothing on the menu that I would eat. The salad even had meat in it. In addition, I am lactose-intolerant which only adds to the difficulty of finding something to eat at social events.

[Golfingnut]

I feel so guilty, I am headed for lunch in a little while to have a Steak and Cheese sub with french fried potatoes and a few beers to wash it down. Now I probably won't even enjoy desert. I know I would live longer if I watched my diet more, but just how boring do you want to live your life. I would be sad without greasy food and cold beer. Then I would get depressed and commit harry carry. Then my wife would lose all respect for me and my life would have been for nothing.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

There haven’t been any reported heart attacks in people with cholesterol levels below 150.

It is accurate to state that diet plays a role in cardiovascular health. IMO you overplay your hand when the experts you cite are PETA and movie makers who are certainly not objective scientists. There are many many confounding factors when you try to compare American vegans, vegetarians and omnivores including multiple additional lifestyle decisions made by people who choose to be vegans. However the above claim is false.
Elsevier
This is a study of the lipid levels of 136,000 patients admitted with heart attacks. While the total cholesterols are not reported, the LDL and HDL levels are given. As LDL is the "bad" cholesterol and 17.6% of patients admitted with MI's had LDL lower than 70, the lowest range listed. And as to whether there have been MI's in Framingham patients with total cholesterols below 150..

2011-02-18 William Castelli MD Heart Disease Risk, Cholesterol and Lipids in 2011: What Do We Really Know? | Interview Transcripts

"DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: .. we have had about a half a dozen people get eventually a heart attack with a total cholesterol under 150 in Framingham. One of them did have this high triglyceride/low HDL syndrome. The other four or five, we don't know what they had."

It is very complex. Statins are clearly not the cure all they were hoped to be. People who exercise vigorously are not immune to heart disease. People who smoke can live to be 100 and non-smokers do get lung cancer. One of the great promises of genetic medicine is that in the perhaps not too distant future each person will be able to get individualized care specific to their situation.

[K9-Lovers]

Visit the EAT RAW club at 1 pm, Seabreeze Rec center on Feb 20. I'll be there. They are featuring nationally known chefs demonstrating yummy dishes.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by blueash

It is accurate to state that diet plays a role in cardiovascular health. IMO you overplay your hand when the experts you cite are PETA and movie makers who are certainly not objective scientists.

First of all I'm not citing anything, don't shoot the messenger, ok.

I just posted an interesting story.

But I can give U excuse me drown in enough scientific evidence that supports 150 level.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

First of all I'm not citing anything, don't shoot the messenger, ok.
I just posted an interesting story.
But I can give U excuse me drown in enough scientific evidence that supports 150 level.

Cite;
1. to quote or refer to (a passage, book, or author) in substantiation as an authority, proof, or example.
So, yeah, you seem to be citing the "story".

[jimbo2012]

tks teach,

I'm out of school a looooong time.

If U don't like the thread content......

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

Well, I was a vegetarian for 7 years and my college age daughter was a vegan. I chose to do it , with a Doctor's suggestion, because of family medical history, my daughter chose to do it as a (then) member of PETA. We researched carefully and continually, attempting to be responsible and wise about it. We both took the best organic supplements we could find, and were both active physically.
We each felt we were on the right track.... for awhile.

I can't help but wonder what your diet was like. Vegetarians can eat in a variety of ways.

Although that was not my specific intent, being vegetarian pretty much eliminated my body fat over time. (I ate 'the right fats' as prescribed, but evidently that was not enough.)

I would think that would simply call for more fat in your diet.

Once there was no more body fat to utilize, I began to notice a loss in muscle mass and stamina.

Remember, the heart is also a muscle. The body will not differentiate when in need of stored food to burn.

In that case, why not include more high calorie foods like whole grains and healthy fats? And perhaps more plant based proteins, if needed.

Anyway, to make this long story shorter, we eventually were advised to slowly incorporate a modest amount of meat/fish back into our diet. It has helped tremendously.

Who advised you to do that?

My diet now is mid-range in all things, NO radical swings either way. As a result, I am healthier than I have ever been. (of course, attitude is a factor in health, too.)

I'm not sure what "mid-range in all things" means. I can't exactly picture what your diet consists of.

Everybody gets to steer their own boat in this life, Thank God. It doesn't matter a whit if I think they are steering it ass-backwards or if I agree with them.

Steering your own boat is fine, I'm just not sure it's helpful to others who may not have any sense of direction. I think this health board represents an opportunity to help others. But if we simply suggest, "all things in moderation" we may possibly end up with more of the same.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

All things in moderation is a smart choice.
B12 and heme iron are found in beef, etc..........
Information On Food Sources With Iron And B12 | LIVESTRONG.COM

Lots of foods contain iron, like lentils and leafy greens. And she said she had sudied the subject of proper supplementation. I don't believe in taking multiple vitamins but I don't see anything wrong with taking a B-12 supplement or a D3 supplement, if needed.

How do we know if moderation is a smart choice if we don't know what the moderation consists of? Lots of people who sound smart don't make smart choices. Lots of people who are overweight, obese, and/or undernourished claim to practice moderation.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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Wow.


You have all of the qualifications I seek in a friend. You are smart, diplomatic, moderate in your views, open minded and just plain funny.

Thank heavens you ARE my friend because if you weren't I would have missed all that.

Damned straight, girl.

I am considering your last sentence for the wall words in our great room. At the very least I will steal them and make people think I thought it.

What specifically did you like? Steering the boat in some unforseen direction?
Perhaps we could save people the trouble of going to college to study nutrition etc. and stop all future health studies. We don't need no stinking college degrees and we don't need no stinking health/diet books. All we need is the following statement: "Steer your own boat!"

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who die from diabetes and heart disease every year. Were they not, for the most part, steering their own boat?