Another TERRORIST attack yesterday

[Heartnsoul]

French embassy in Libya yesterday attacked by Radical Terrorists.

[senior citizen]

French embassy in Libya yesterday attacked by Radical Terrorists.

Yes, when I first heard that yesterday........I thought it was the American Embassy..........it's like they are all going nuts at once.

[blueash]

Muslims Helped Foil Terror Plot In Canada; Imam Tipped Officials To Plans To Derail Train (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/muslims-foil-terror-plot-canada_n_3140528.html)

Every major faith has its radicals and its reasonables. Even within faiths the sects kill each other in the name of whatever superbeing. Recall the wars in Ireland with Catholics and Protestants, bombs and shootouts. Recall that every day, completely lost now to our news, the Shiites and the Sunis bomb each other in the cities of the mess we left in Iraq. In India there are too frequent "terrorist" attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_India
which involve many different non-Western faiths attacking each other.

My point is that modern terrorism is not as you seem to see it, Islam attacking the Christian west. Terrorism is old, the sword or the cannon has been used for centuries to attack infidels by members of the true faith. The hands of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists etc are all bloodstained by the acts of both sanctioned slaughter (think Crusades or the Inquisition) and minor sects and individuals. Perhaps this does nothing to make you less afraid of anyone you see wearing a beard but the overwhelming number of Muslims are people of peace. The recent arrest in Canada of 2 persons who were possibly planning a train bombing resulted from the local Imam alerting authorities.

[gomoho]

And I for one am grateful a Muslim has finally stepped forward and joined this fight against the extremists - that goes a long way towards people's reactions towards another Muslim.

[quirky3]

Muslims Helped Foil Terror Plot In Canada; Imam Tipped Officials To Plans To Derail Train (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/muslims-foil-terror-plot-canada_n_3140528.html)

Every major faith has its radicals and its reasonables. Even within faiths the sects kill each other in the name of whatever superbeing. Recall the wars in Ireland with Catholics and Protestants, bombs and shootouts. Recall that every day, completely lost now to our news, the Shiites and the Sunis bomb each other in the cities of the mess we left in Iraq. In India there are too frequent "terrorist" attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_India
which involve many different non-Western faiths attacking each other.

My point is that modern terrorism is not as you seem to see it, Islam attacking the Christian west. Terrorism is old, the sword or the cannon has been used for centuries to attack infidels by members of the true faith. The hands of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists etc are all bloodstained by the acts of both sanctioned slaughter (think Crusades or the Inquisition) and minor sects and individuals. Perhaps this does nothing to make you less afraid of anyone you see wearing a beard but the overwhelming number of Muslims are people of peace. The recent arrest in Canada of 2 persons who were possibly planning a train bombing resulted from the local Imam alerting authorities.

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

[DaleMN]

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

Thank you.

[graciegirl]

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

In extremism, but probably not in actual numbers. In my view they are both extreme, wrong, and full of hatred and dangerous.

It is very hard to be fair...when no one is really sure how big the danger is and it is hard not to form conclusions when so many young Muslim men have been terrorists in this country.

No one wants to cast blame, but somewhere between the extremism of both views is closer to the real picture. There is danger from a group of people who hate us.

I wish the peaceful sector of the Muslim faith in The U.S. would be more vocal and "out there" in showing their concern about this serious issue. It would make everyone feel better for sure.

[George1938]

I'm German so don't throw rocks. Gracie is right on. If the German populace spoke up, maybe-just maybe, there would not have been a holocost (sp) !!
If the Japanese populace spoke up, maybe-just maybe !!!!!!!!!

[gomoho]

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

Big difference is you see many American speaking out against the Westboro Church and showing up to protect people that would be affected by their nonsense - putting a barrier between them. Haven't seen any Muslims step up to that plate at this point - but maybe the Imam in Canada is the start of a movement - we can only hope.

[billethkid]

a point to be made about the "general Muslim" population is they DO NOTspeak out against the radicals. Only a very few ever do so and they do not get much play in any reporting.

I am one to not favor isolated or minority incidents used as general conditions. I do believe the Muslim community would/could get more understanding if they showed they do not support the terrorism promoted in the name of their religion.

btk

[blueash]

a point to be made about the "general Muslim" population is they DO NOTspeak out against the radicals. Only a very few ever do so and they do not get much play in any reporting.

I am one to not favor isolated or minority incidents used as general conditions. I do believe the Muslim community would/could get more understanding if they showed they do not support the terrorism promoted in the name of their religion.

btk

Billy, you hit a very important note which I highlighted. In fact the Muslim community in America has been extremely vocal in its condemnation of terrorism especially in the name of the faith they love. But the fact that so many here seem surprised that an Imam played a positive role is evidence of the lack of awareness of the overwhelmingly uniform opinion of American Muslims. Of course I wouldn't expect certain news media to report those condemnations as it doesn't fit their anti-Muslim agenda.
Erik Rush: Kill All Muslims in Response to Boston Marathon Attack | Right Wing Watch (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-kill-all-muslims-response-boston-marathon-attack)
muslim response to boston bombings (http://www.suhaibwebb.com/tag/muslim-response-to-boston-bombings/)
and this from CAIR
CAIR's Anti-Terrorism Campaigns - CAIR (http://www.cair.com/about-us/cair-s-anti-terrorism-campaigns.html)
"We must remain united as a nation as we face those who would carry out such heinous and inexcusable crimes," said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad. "We thank local, state and national law enforcement authorities for their diligence in bringing the perpetrators to justice and offer condolences to the loved ones of the officers killed and injured in efforts to detain the suspects."

Awad reiterated the American Muslim community's consistent condemnation of terrorism in all its forms.

CAIR is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding."


I could go on and post many more strong statements from both individuals and organizations that will be similar. The statements are being made, over and over. You and others are just not seeing them.

[blueash]

For Gracie

Here is a link to the many press releases from the Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati on most of the recent events involving Muslim attacks. There is nothing posted about Boston but perhaps they have not updated their website as they still list the 2012 Ramadan information. This mosque was in your neck of the woods.
Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati (http://www.icgc.info/)

[laddan]

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

dont think so, to my knowledge westboro is not bombing , blowing legs off people, killing 8 year old kids, do not think the comparision you make is valid.

America is less safe now than ever, our leader will not call these people islamic terrorist, it is work place violence (ha ha ) ala fort hood. He says dont worry he will bring these folks to justice, what a joke.
i know muslim culture, when we fail to bring swift and forceful justice to the evil doers, they see us as weak fools, and believe they have the right to do to us what they will, as we are infideis. most are afraid to stacnd up against it for they will be punished ( ie killed).

[blueash]

dont think so, to my knowledge westboro is not bombing , blowing legs off people, killing 8 year old kids, do not think the comparision you make is valid.

America is less safe now than ever, our leader will not call these people islamic terrorist, it is work place violence (ha ha ) ala fort hood. He says dont worry he will bring these folks to justice, what a joke.
i know muslim culture, when we fail to bring swift and forceful justice to the evil doers, they see us as weak fools, and believe they have the right to do to us what they will, as we are infideis. most are afraid to stacnd up against it for they will be punished ( ie killed).

You really believe America is less safe now than ever? You base that on what data? I'm asking because I'm hoping I can use you as my go to person on American safety and of course Muslim culture.

[laddan]

You really believe America is less safe now than ever? You base that on what data? I'm asking because I'm hoping I can use you as my go to person on American safety and of course Muslim culture.

lets see, one of our previous leaders had a chance to take bin laden out prior to 911, he would not do it, we got 911 as a gift from radical islam
current leader will not acknowledge islamic terrorism or call it by name. if they can they will make 911 look like the dress rehearsal for the next horror terror they are hatching.
oh sorry i forgot to add , lets make sure every body gets fair shot. while we are bringing the folks that did this Boston killing and maiming to justice. Folks is usually what our leader calls bad guys (terrorist)

[graciegirl]

Intelligent discussion now seems to have ended.

[graciegirl]

For Gracie

Here is a link to the many press releases from the Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati on most of the recent events involving Muslim attacks. There is nothing posted about Boston but perhaps they have not updated their website as they still list the 2012 Ramadan information. This mosque was in your neck of the woods.
Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati (http://www.icgc.info/)

There was nothing on this site on this subject, no discussion at all of the terrorism. Our Catholic Womens Group toured that mosque, and it was a physical tour of a building, really not much in the form of interchange of ideas or a real welcome. Perhaps my expectations are skewed because Christians are taught to act warm and kind, even if they are not warm and kind.

If the Muslim community feel warm and caring of us who are non Muslims, then now is the time to show it. We are becoming more frightened.

Their statements aren't getting into the right circuits if you are correct, and I am sure you are. You are a bright person, Blueash, and much more educated than I am, for sure.

[OnTrack]

Although a few years old, I'm sure not much has changed statistically.

And given these statistics........

CLICK HERE (http://eyewashstation.blogspot.com/2007/11/odds-of-dying-in-terrorist-attack.html)





Monday, November 26, 2007
Odds of Dying in a Terrorist Attack


After 9/11, the fear of another attack on U.S. soil cleanly supplanted the fear of having one's ***** chopped off by a vengeful lover in the pantheon of irrational American fears. While we're constantly being told that another attack is imminent and that radical Islamic fundamentalists are two steps away from establishing a caliphate in Branson, Missouri, just how close are they? How do the odds of dying in a terrorist attack stack up against the odds of dying in other unfortunate situations? Well, let's take a look.

The following ratios were compiled using data from 2004 National Safety Council (NSC) Estimates, a report based on data from The National Center for Health Statistics and the U.S. Census Bureau. In addition, 2003 mortality data from the Center for Disease Control (CDC) was used.

You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

You are six times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

You are eight times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

You are nine times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

You are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist


What's notably missing, is how much more likely you are to die from just a drunk driver....than by a terrorist.

Especially around here.

And yet, where's the outrage of happy hour starting at noon? :oops:

Obviously, this outrage and fear of brown-skinned Muslims is born more from ignorance, prejudice, bigotry and racism....than actuality.

Pretty damn sad when you think about it. :(


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[graciegirl]

Although a few years old, I'm sure not much has changed statistically.

And given these statistics........

CLICK HERE (http://eyewashstation.blogspot.com/2007/11/odds-of-dying-in-terrorist-attack.html)






What's notably missing, is how much more likely you are to die from just a drunk driver....than by a terrorist.

Especially around here.

And yet, where's the outrage of happy hour starting at noon? :oops:

Obviously, this outrage and fear of brown-skinned Muslims is born more from ignorance, prejudice, bigotry and racism....than actuality.

Pretty damn sad when you think about it. :(


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Your statistics are not much comfort to our fellow villagers, the grandparents of Martin Richards.

A Muslim Extremist killed him, and blew off his little sisters leg and caused his mother to have to have brain surgery.

I'm done for tonight. I am very upset.

[OnTrack]

Your statistics are not much comfort to our fellow villagers, the grandparents of Martin Richards.

A Muslim Extremist killed him, and blew off his little sisters leg and caused his mother to have to have brain surgery.

I'm done for tonight. I am very upset.

ANY untimely or accidental death/murder....is a tragedy.

Motive has to be questioned, when extra weight is given to the lesser likelihood.


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[blueash]

There was nothing on this site on this subject, no discussion at all of the terrorism. Our Catholic Womens Group toured that mosque, and it was a physical tour of a building, really not much in the form of interchange of ideas or a real welcome. Perhaps my expectations are skewed because Christians are taught to act warm and kind, even if they are not warm and kind.

If the Muslim community feel warm and caring of us who are non Muslims, then now is the time to show it. We are becoming more frightened.

Their statements aren't getting into the right circuits if you are correct, and I am sure you are. You are a bright person, Blueash, and much more educated than I am, for sure.

Sorry Gracie. You have to click on the left side where it says press releases. And Gracie, education is not the same as smart. You have great people smartness. I think that is often much better than book smartness. Not to suggest you don't have both as I have never checked your SAT scores.

[senior citizen]

I'm German so don't throw rocks. Gracie is right on. If the German populace spoke up, maybe-just maybe, there would not have been a holocost (sp) !!
If the Japanese populace spoke up, maybe-just maybe !!!!!!!!!

Hitler held the German populace in fear after they knew what was going on........"if" they knew what was going on.

Prior to that, they adored him and had him on a pedestal.

Back in the mid to late 1960's I was friends with a German chemist who worked in our company......he had to be about ten years older than I was.

He felt a "need" to tell me that he had been recruited as a fourteen year old boy to serve in Hitler's Army.......he had no choice, according to him.

He carried great guilt. Nice guy. Highly educated chemist.

This was twenty+ years after the war ended. Our marine paint manufacturing corporation hired a lot of German chemists........they all came to America after the war.

They all "felt a need" to apologize "after the fact" ; guess it carried a stigma at the time to have been in Hitler's Army.

However, when I was doing my grandchildren's genealogy (their dad is part German, part Irish and part Scottish)....I came across hordes of his family's unknown "cousins" who had all died in Normandy and other battles.........fighting for the other side....meaning Germany.

That family originated in Baaden Baaden and then migrated across Germany. Obviously, my son's mom didn't even know them.........but due to the very very old family tree and all the records being researched by a cousin in this country, close to his family, I had knowledge of these Nazi's. ***

I'm sure they also were conscripted into their Army........without much of a say as to whether or not they approved........such as my friend the German chemist , as a fourteen year old boy.

****Many of them all died on the same days (meaning in the larger battles).......so although they had different birth dates, they had the same death dates.....