[Heartnsoul]

French embassy in Libya yesterday attacked by Radical Terrorists.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Heartnsoul

French embassy in Libya yesterday attacked by Radical Terrorists.

Yes, when I first heard that yesterday........I thought it was the American Embassy..........it's like they are all going nuts at once.

[blueash]

Muslims Helped Foil Terror Plot In Canada; Imam Tipped Officials To Plans To Derail Train

Every major faith has its radicals and its reasonables. Even within faiths the sects kill each other in the name of whatever superbeing. Recall the wars in Ireland with Catholics and Protestants, bombs and shootouts. Recall that every day, completely lost now to our news, the Shiites and the Sunis bomb each other in the cities of the mess we left in Iraq. In India there are too frequent "terrorist" attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dents_in_India
which involve many different non-Western faiths attacking each other.

My point is that modern terrorism is not as you seem to see it, Islam attacking the Christian west. Terrorism is old, the sword or the cannon has been used for centuries to attack infidels by members of the true faith. The hands of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists etc are all bloodstained by the acts of both sanctioned slaughter (think Crusades or the Inquisition) and minor sects and individuals. Perhaps this does nothing to make you less afraid of anyone you see wearing a beard but the overwhelming number of Muslims are people of peace. The recent arrest in Canada of 2 persons who were possibly planning a train bombing resulted from the local Imam alerting authorities.

[gomoho]

And I for one am grateful a Muslim has finally stepped forward and joined this fight against the extremists - that goes a long way towards people's reactions towards another Muslim.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by blueash

Muslims Helped Foil Terror Plot In Canada; Imam Tipped Officials To Plans To Derail Train

Every major faith has its radicals and its reasonables. Even within faiths the sects kill each other in the name of whatever superbeing. Recall the wars in Ireland with Catholics and Protestants, bombs and shootouts. Recall that every day, completely lost now to our news, the Shiites and the Sunis bomb each other in the cities of the mess we left in Iraq. In India there are too frequent "terrorist" attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dents_in_India
which involve many different non-Western faiths attacking each other.

My point is that modern terrorism is not as you seem to see it, Islam attacking the Christian west. Terrorism is old, the sword or the cannon has been used for centuries to attack infidels by members of the true faith. The hands of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists etc are all bloodstained by the acts of both sanctioned slaughter (think Crusades or the Inquisition) and minor sects and individuals. Perhaps this does nothing to make you less afraid of anyone you see wearing a beard but the overwhelming number of Muslims are people of peace. The recent arrest in Canada of 2 persons who were possibly planning a train bombing resulted from the local Imam alerting authorities.

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

[DaleMN]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

Thank you.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

In extremism, but probably not in actual numbers. In my view they are both extreme, wrong, and full of hatred and dangerous.

It is very hard to be fair...when no one is really sure how big the danger is and it is hard not to form conclusions when so many young Muslim men have been terrorists in this country.

No one wants to cast blame, but somewhere between the extremism of both views is closer to the real picture. There is danger from a group of people who hate us.

I wish the peaceful sector of the Muslim faith in The U.S. would be more vocal and "out there" in showing their concern about this serious issue. It would make everyone feel better for sure.

[George1938]

I'm German so don't throw rocks. Gracie is right on. If the German populace spoke up, maybe-just maybe, there would not have been a holocost (sp) !!
If the Japanese populace spoke up, maybe-just maybe !!!!!!!!!

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

Big difference is you see many American speaking out against the Westboro Church and showing up to protect people that would be affected by their nonsense - putting a barrier between them. Haven't seen any Muslims step up to that plate at this point - but maybe the Imam in Canada is the start of a movement - we can only hope.

[billethkid]

a point to be made about the "general Muslim" population is they DO NOTspeak out against the radicals. Only a very few ever do so and they do not get much play in any reporting.

I am one to not favor isolated or minority incidents used as general conditions. I do believe the Muslim community would/could get more understanding if they showed they do not support the terrorism promoted in the name of their religion.

btk

[blueash]

Originally Posted by billethkid

a point to be made about the "general Muslim" population is they DO NOTspeak out against the radicals. Only a very few ever do so and they do not get much play in any reporting.

I am one to not favor isolated or minority incidents used as general conditions. I do believe the Muslim community would/could get more understanding if they showed they do not support the terrorism promoted in the name of their religion.

btk

Billy, you hit a very important note which I highlighted. In fact the Muslim community in America has been extremely vocal in its condemnation of terrorism especially in the name of the faith they love. But the fact that so many here seem surprised that an Imam played a positive role is evidence of the lack of awareness of the overwhelmingly uniform opinion of American Muslims. Of course I wouldn't expect certain news media to report those condemnations as it doesn't fit their anti-Muslim agenda.
Erik Rush: Kill All Muslims in Response to Boston Marathon Attack | Right Wing Watch
muslim response to boston bombings
and this from CAIR
CAIR's Anti-Terrorism Campaigns - CAIR
"We must remain united as a nation as we face those who would carry out such heinous and inexcusable crimes," said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad. "We thank local, state and national law enforcement authorities for their diligence in bringing the perpetrators to justice and offer condolences to the loved ones of the officers killed and injured in efforts to detain the suspects."

Awad reiterated the American Muslim community's consistent condemnation of terrorism in all its forms.

CAIR is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding."


I could go on and post many more strong statements from both individuals and organizations that will be similar. The statements are being made, over and over. You and others are just not seeing them.

[blueash]

For Gracie

Here is a link to the many press releases from the Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati on most of the recent events involving Muslim attacks. There is nothing posted about Boston but perhaps they have not updated their website as they still list the 2012 Ramadan information. This mosque was in your neck of the woods.
Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati

[laddan]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Yes!! Hatred is too easily started by generalizations. Muslim terrorists compare with the general Muslim population the way that the Westboro Baptist Church compares with the general Christian population.

dont think so, to my knowledge westboro is not bombing , blowing legs off people, killing 8 year old kids, do not think the comparision you make is valid.

America is less safe now than ever, our leader will not call these people islamic terrorist, it is work place violence (ha ha ) ala fort hood. He says dont worry he will bring these folks to justice, what a joke.
i know muslim culture, when we fail to bring swift and forceful justice to the evil doers, they see us as weak fools, and believe they have the right to do to us what they will, as we are infideis. most are afraid to stacnd up against it for they will be punished ( ie killed).

[blueash]

Originally Posted by laddan

dont think so, to my knowledge westboro is not bombing , blowing legs off people, killing 8 year old kids, do not think the comparision you make is valid.

America is less safe now than ever, our leader will not call these people islamic terrorist, it is work place violence (ha ha ) ala fort hood. He says dont worry he will bring these folks to justice, what a joke.
i know muslim culture, when we fail to bring swift and forceful justice to the evil doers, they see us as weak fools, and believe they have the right to do to us what they will, as we are infideis. most are afraid to stacnd up against it for they will be punished ( ie killed).

You really believe America is less safe now than ever? You base that on what data? I'm asking because I'm hoping I can use you as my go to person on American safety and of course Muslim culture.

[laddan]

Originally Posted by blueash

You really believe America is less safe now than ever? You base that on what data? I'm asking because I'm hoping I can use you as my go to person on American safety and of course Muslim culture.

lets see, one of our previous leaders had a chance to take bin laden out prior to 911, he would not do it, we got 911 as a gift from radical islam
current leader will not acknowledge islamic terrorism or call it by name. if they can they will make 911 look like the dress rehearsal for the next horror terror they are hatching.
oh sorry i forgot to add , lets make sure every body gets fair shot. while we are bringing the folks that did this Boston killing and maiming to justice. Folks is usually what our leader calls bad guys (terrorist)