Pet Peeve on Big Pharma T.V. Commercials

[senior citizen]

TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY FOR MEN COMMERCIALS ON EVENING NEWS SHOWS.........we both heard it again last evening:

“Low T” commercials have disclaimers at the end that taking these pharmaceuticals can cause prostate cancer.

Hypogonadism, Male Medication | Drugs.com (http://www.drugs.com/condition/hypogonadism-male.html)

There is a little “video” that scrolls down listing all the things to watch out for.....

What if a single unsuspecting woman dated a guy who was on this drug????

Not to mention other pharmaceuticals.........that make everything seem great........

However, at the end admit that some might have “suicidal tendencies” when taking the drug.**

**Last night on CBS evening news there was a segment on the increase of suicide in our country......

We both looked at each other and knew what we hear every evening in the commercials on the same show.......

Many of the drugs advertised........sounding so hunky dory.......have disclaimers that they might cause “suicidal tendencies” or “cancer”.....

”May cause lymphoma, lung cancer, etc., etc., etc.” Now “prostate cancer” by taking the male hormone replacement drug.......

There was a surge in female cancers after taking the birth control pills and HRT (female hormone replacement drugs)........so many women went off of them.

There was a surge in upper thigh bone breaks and jaw disintegration after taking the bone building drugs such as Boniva and others......
Those drugs were initially for people with bone cancer ....

The literature and research is out there.........the books on BIG PHARMA have been published for years............

They are out to “market” and “sell” and “make a profit”............

Originally miracle drugs like penicillian were life savers.........now there is a pill for everything.......and not always good for you.

A few years back, our pet peeve was the obviously senior citizen women depicted with long stringy ,down to their shoulders, grey/silver hair skipping along with their golf clubs.

I forget what drug they were supposedly taking..............it’s an insult to our intelligence...........not to mention the elderly gent on his “scooter” with his helmet on.......
(the kind of one leg scooter that our grandson might have used when he was about 8 years old or younger)...

They made it seem as though if you took their drugs, you would regain your youthful vigor.........that’s if you didn’t have a side effect of some worse terminal disease.......

I just read a book “Syndrome X” on my Kindle..........and that author divulged quite a bit on the side effects of commonly prescribed pharmaceuticals...........plus how many doctors are trained in medical school in such a way as to prescribe these drugs.......

Any alternative practitioners out there? Or those who agree that the Big Pharma ads have become totally "nuts" if one truly listens to them???

[billethkid]

if one really listens to them why would they ask for that med in the first place.

We were a much better society when drugs were what the doctor knew about and prescribed instead of what the patients ask for today.

We are a very over medicated country brain washed by television, magazine, newspaper and all other media.

We are very naieve, gullible or just plain dumb.

btk

[senior citizen]

if one really listens to them why would they ask for that med in the first place.

We were a much better society when drugs were what the doctor knew about and prescribed instead of what the patients ask for today.

We are a very over medicated country brain washed by television, magazine, newspaper and all other media.

We are very naieve, gullible or just plain dumb.

btk


You got it. That's exactly what we say. Is anyone else really listening?

We kid each other that the t.v. commercials of our youth with the Marlboro Man, the "soaps", etc. the Rheingold Girl Contest (beer) and probably there were whiskey commericals too..........weren't any worse than all these BIG PHARMA commercials of today..........

CDC Grand Rounds: Prescription Drug Overdoses — a U.S. Epidemic (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6101a3.htm)

Prescription Drug overdoses is becoming epidemic.

Although everyone knows that chronic pain can be challenging, we also all know folks who were prescribed years of oxycodone, etc.

Whether for back pain, knee pain, whatever pain.........it can become addictive.

An acquaintenance’s husband had to go into a drug rehab program for being given oxycodone at our hospital for his osteomylitis.....severe back pain resulting.

This was a prescription written out by his doctor. The patient was a state trooper. It became one vicious cycle and constant hospitilizations due to infections like M.E.R.S.A.

We know others who were prescribed it over and over again for occupational back pain, osteo arthritis knee pain, sciatica, etc. and became hooked.

[karengfw]

YUP, hate all those big pharma commercials - To be fair, I basically hate commercials, unless they are funny or have great music. I really resent putting food commercials that poke at our desires to eat when we shouldn't, and those big media commercials that are like brainwashing - yes, we want BIGGER and MORE - makes me hit PAUSE or MUTE! What I would like to see is less money being spent on advertising (political too) and more on product and society improvements. Just think of how much THAT would be!

[lightworker888]

Just had a conversation yesterday with a neighbour about how people are handing over their lives to people in "authority" who they think have more understanding about their bodies than they do. It is your life and your body and the information is all available. Take some active charge of your life as you have to live the consequences of choices you make. No one forces you to do or take anything. It is all in your hands (except of course in an acute emergency) and it behooves all of us to check out all the choices we make daily. It is your choice in the food you choose, the stores and restaurants etc. you support, the lifestyle choices you make, the people you hang out with, the movies and tv you watch........the list is endless. If we keep blindly supporting choices that are governed by the profits of the companies, we allow ourselves to be easily led down a path of their choosing.

It seems that more people are waking up, but we as a people have to get out of our "victim" stance and become part of the "take action" group in order to get change to happen. It has been said that if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always gotten. Change only happens at a different level of consciousness so that is why it is so important to keep getting more info. That's the only way I know of to raise consciousness. And I know that "driving your own bus" isn't always "easy", but it can be as exciting as you want to make it. And at least the consequences are of your own making which is very empowering and satisfying.

Getting off my soapbox now.


LW888

[senior citizen]

Just had a conversation yesterday with a neighbour about how people are handing over their lives to people in "authority" who they think have more understanding about their bodies than they do. It is your life and your body and the information is all available. Take some active charge of your life as you have to live the consequences of choices you make. No one forces you to do or take anything. It is all in your hands (except of course in an acute emergency) and it behooves all of us to check out all the choices we make daily. It is your choice in the food you choose, the stores and restaurants etc. you support, the lifestyle choices you make, the people you hang out with, the movies and tv you watch........the list is endless. If we keep blindly supporting choices that are governed by the profits of the companies, we allow ourselves to be easily led down a path of their choosing.

It seems that more people are waking up, but we as a people have to get out of our "victim" stance and become part of the "take action" group in order to get change to happen. It has been said that if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always gotten. Change only happens at a different level of consciousness so that is why it is so important to keep getting more info. That's the only way I know of to raise consciousness. And I know that "driving your own bus" isn't always "easy", but it can be as exciting as you want to make it. And at least the consequences are of your own making which is very empowering and satisfying.

Getting off my soapbox now.


LW888

It is difficult to be a free thinker nowadays but it just comes naturally to us. We are not the type to follow like sheep..........

Just wondering if others are "hearing" the same things we are hearing.

I know you are a deep thinker and independently "thoughtful" at that....
More power to you.

Just my opinion but the big pharmaceutical companies are obviously out to make a profit.........have excellent marketing strategy and also a long line of people who want a quick fix without doing any "personal work"....

Thanks for sharing your valuable opinion...........always interesting to read.

[senior citizen]

YUP, hate all those big pharma commercials - To be fair, I basically hate commercials, unless they are funny or have great music. I really resent putting food commercials that poke at our desires to eat when we shouldn't, and those big media commercials that are like brainwashing - yes, we want BIGGER and MORE - makes me hit PAUSE or MUTE! What I would like to see is less money being spent on advertising (political too) and more on product and society improvements. Just think of how much THAT would be!

We usually record and go right through the commericals if we can help it.
However, the evening national news is the one that pushes all the drugs on their listeners..........so I "hear you"....

[ilovetv]

Regarding:

Just had a conversation yesterday with a neighbour about how people are handing over their lives to people in "authority" who they think have more understanding about their bodies than they do.

However, the evening national news is the one that pushes all the drugs on their listeners....

How about "Big Hollywood" that makes its money on the massive audience they have spoon fed sex, artificial youth, and body worship for generations who now are indoctrinated to demand this junk they want insurers and government healthcare insurance to pay for?

The Boob Tube has been the nanny for many people who now look to IT as the source of medical wisdom. And IT cannot exist without the advertising dollars it gets from the "big pharma" advertisers.

[jblum315]

My doctor gets a little miffed (understandably) if I mention a drug being advertised on TV. And I happen to know that the pharmas send pretty girls around to promote their drugs to doctors. It's a dirty business.

[lightworker888]

That was also part of our conversation. In fact we were commenting on how few movies in TV were violence free. Quartet was the best movie I've seen all year and we used to be able to go to a different movie each week here a few trips ago. Now they are either vacuous or violent. Seems the actors of our generation are dying off and generally the younger ones haven't been making movies of substance. I don't quite know how entertainment translates into violence and horror. How does one get any "feel good" from them? JMHO.



LW888

[njbchbum]

TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY FOR MEN COMMERCIALS ON EVENING NEWS SHOWS.........we both heard it again last evening:

“Low T” commercials have disclaimers at the end that taking these pharmaceuticals can cause prostate cancer.

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I just read a book “Syndrome X” on my Kindle..........and that author divulged quite a bit on the side effects of commonly prescribed pharmaceuticals...........plus how many doctors are trained in medical school in such a way as to prescribe these drugs.......

Any alternative practitioners out there? Or those who agree that the Big Pharma ads have become totally "nuts" if one truly listens to them???

when i hear any disclaimer that sounds ominous i wonder - does anyone who takes that stuff have a gun permit/own a gun?!

[njbchbum]

snipped Seems the actors of our generation are dying off and generally the younger ones haven't been making movies of substance. snipped
LW888

seems to me that the good screen writers are dying off or have been seduced by the movie executives who just want cheap, fast scripts provided for production.

look at today's video games - no 'feel good' there - they are modeled after frightening current events; and they can be turned into a movie or adapted from same in what seems to be a heartbeat!

[graciegirl]

Moderation is the key.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

I don't have the time or the interest to get a medical degree so I will put my trust in the (traditional) medical community.

I don't take any wild stuff, just the stuff that keeps most of us perking along as we age.

I am NOT into alternative medicine. Traditional medicine has done well by all of us in our family. Very well, and I trust them, at least those back in Cincinnati that did some mighty fancy stuff to save the lives of people I love very much.

I agree that pharmaceutical companies are making WAY too much money and I am also annoyed by their advertising...but they are still developing drugs that will save our lives. And it is not cheap to do all of that research.

Just how and when and what do we do to keep them reasonable?

Big Pharma has it's merits.....and it's faults. Just like big government.

[ilovetv]

Moderation is the key.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

I don't have the time or the interest to get a medical degree so I will put my trust in the (traditional) medical community.

I don't take any wild stuff, just the stuff that keeps most of us perking along as we age.

I am NOT into alternative medicine. Traditional medicine has done well by all of us in our family. Very well, and I trust them, at least those back in Cincinnati that did some mighty fancy stuff to save the lives of people I love very much.

I agree that pharmaceutical companies are making WAY too much money and I am also annoyed by their advertising...but they are still developing drugs that will save our lives. And it is not cheap to do all of that research.

Just how and when and what do we do to keep them reasonable?

Big Pharma has it's merits.....and it's faults. Just like big government.

Many people who condemn the pharmaceutical companies have no idea about this:

"It is not surprising that from conception to market most compounds face an uphill battle to become an approved drug. For approximately every 5,000 to 10,000 compounds that enter preclinical testing, only one is approved for marketing.

A 1993 report by the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment estimated the cost of developing a new drug to be $359 million. Newer figures place the cost at more than $500 million....."

From Idea to Market: The Drug Approval Process
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/405869_4

[njbchbum]

gracie - your post reminds me of the old dupont slogan - 'better living through chemistry' - used in television advertising years ago!

[KeepingItReal]

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[OnTrack]

Any alternative practitioners out there? Or those who agree that the Big Pharma ads have become totally "nuts" if one truly listens to them???

My all time favorite (in a hilariously stupid way)....is one I've been hearing recently on the radio.

It is a doctor who is touting his own secret formula....as an alternative for Viagra/Levitra/Cialis.

The part that makes me want to slap my forehead, is when he says (paraphrasing)...... "If you don't have a positive reaction while you're in my office, it is free."

A positive reaction while in your office? :a20:

Really dude? :oops:



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[senior citizen]

when i hear any disclaimer that sounds ominous i wonder - does anyone who takes that stuff have a gun permit/own a gun?!

Yes, so do we.....exactly. You are referring to the drugs that have the disclaimer at the end (t.v. commercials) re "can cause suicidal tendencies".

As I mentioned, they do those commericals every night on the evening news; the other night they had a segment on the increase in suicides in our nation.

HOWEVER........they never once mentioned the drugs or the pharmaceutical companies that are supporting them with big bucks for those commercials.

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=OnTrack;670923]My all time favorite (in a hilariously stupid way)....is one I've been hearing recently on the radio.

It is a doctor who is touting his own secret formula....as an alternative for Viagra/Levitra/Cialis.

The part that makes me want to slap my forehead, is when he says (paraphrasing)...... "If you don't have a positive reaction while you're in my office, it is free."

A positive reaction while in your office? :a20:

Really dude? :oops:

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That's a good one.....

[Parker]

[QUOTE=lightworker888;670677]That was also part of our conversation. In fact we were commenting on how few movies in TV were violence free. Quartet was the best movie I've seen all year and we used to be able to go to a different movie each week here a few trips ago. Now they are either vacuous or violent. Seems the actors of our generation are dying off and generally the younger ones haven't been making movies of substance. I don't quite know how entertainment translates into violence and horror. How does one get any "feel good" from them? JMHO.


Oh I so agree. Hardly ever go to the movies anymore. They're too violent/crude/stupid/dark/choppy camera work/too close-up, and too star focused instead of character and story focused. Uh oh, I think I just showed that I'm intolerant, old-fashioned, and not fun.

I'm fun, really I am.

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=lightworker888;670677]That was also part of our conversation. In fact we were commenting on how few movies in TV were violence free. Quartet was the best movie I've seen all year and we used to be able to go to a different movie each week here a few trips ago. Now they are either vacuous or violent. Seems the actors of our generation are dying off and generally the younger ones haven't been making movies of substance. I don't quite know how entertainment translates into violence and horror. How does one get any "feel good" from them? JMHO.


Oh I so agree. Hardly ever go to the movies anymore. They're too violent/crude/stupid/dark/choppy camera work/too close-up, and too star focused instead of character and story focused. Uh oh, I think I just showed that I'm intolerant, old-fashioned, and not fun.

I'm fun, really I am.

Did you ever notice that the really OLD movies have "credits" with the actors' names very large and easily visible???

Whereas the new movies have the credits so tiny that no one can read them. Don't these actors also deserve to have their names seen ?

Sometimes we watch a movie and although the actor looks familiar, one can't even tell who they are............I just go online and look up the movie and read the "cast and crew" online.....

p.s. I know exactly where Lightworker is coming from.
We say the same thing.........and we are big movie buffs.

We have been told by the younger crowd that we are very young at heart....so I don't blame our perceptions on our age.........it's just a fact of life nowadays, with regard to the movies. They have to try harder and harder to shock and excite people..........or so they think. Everything is special effects now.

[senior citizen]

And yet when we really need something we expect it to be there ready and waiting for us. And if we never have a need for it we are ready to condemn it. I totally disagree on the pretty girl and dirty business comment. Unless one is very close to the business they really have no idea and apparently have a lot of mis-information.






Chemical drugs costs to put a new drug on the market maybe can be done for $500K but then consider that there are also the Biological Drugs where some are even developed for a certain persons genetic makeup can run many times that amount. We cannot expect companies to put out the money to develope and test a new drug and not make a profit at some point. Many trials are stopped before completion and other drugs are never approved so the money has to come from somewhere. It is sometimes annoying to hear the commercials but any symptom experienced during a trial must be mentioned even if the drug did not cause it and only one person had the symptom. During some trials a drug being trialed for one disease or condition is sometimes found to help another disease or condition even more than previous treatments. We should be thankful as expensive as they are that the lifesaving drugs are available. Those chemical drugs like Viagra and the T replacement drugs doubtfully will ever save a life but apparently a lot of people do think they need them. Lifestyle and eating right will only get people so far and as we age a lot of people continue to live their lives thanks to the drug industry.

Future drug related liabilities are a big cost issue as well. A recent Alabama judge ruling stated a consumer though taking a Generic drug could sue the original company that developed the drug even though they had no control over the manufacturing of the Generic. Courts gone wild..

Just more food for thought....
Clinical Trials and Investigational Drugs (http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ByAudience/ForPatientAdvocates/AccesstoInvestigationalDrugs/ucm176083.htm)


We know people who were in clinical trials and probably given the placebo......or else the drug definitely did not work as the outcome was not good.

[senior citizen]

Drugs.com | Prescription Drug Information, Interactions & Side Effects (http://www.drugs.com/)
click hyperlink above.....then keep scrolling down until you get to all the hyperlinks on left side of page.

They show what the drug supposedly will do.........plus the possible side effects..........

Prescription Drug Information, Interactions and Side Effects.......interesting to read, although it may take time to go through the list.

At our age of 68, we are still drug free.......

p.s.
Years ago when my husband had to take Prednisone and Plaquenil for his Discoid Lupus, there were numerous side effects.........however, he has not taken them in 25 years or so.

[senior citizen]

Boniva Information from Drugs.com (http://www.drugs.com/boniva.html)
click above hyperlink.......

O.K. this is the one I mentioned the other day.

It’s supposed to strengthen one’s bones if they have osteopenia or in danger of osteoporosis.

Yet, if you read about the possible destruction of the jaw bone, etc., etc., etc. it is very scary.......
Also, upper thighbone breaks have been reported while on various bone meds.

A cousin has been on this and others for years and years now due to an original bone density check....which showed "pre osteopenia".
When the news came out re the destruction of the jaw bone, teeth falling out, thighbone breakage, etc......she asked her doctor if she should go off of it.
The doctor told her to stay on it. Now she worries all the time.

Read it.

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It's not just Boniva..........please keep scrolling down on below hyperlink.........
September 2011: Two FDA Advisory Committees Will Discuss The Safety Of Long-Term Use Of Fosamax, Boniva, And Actonel - Drug Injury Watch (http://www.drug-injury.com/druginjurycom/2011/09/bisphosphonates-fda-advisory-committees-joint-meeting-fosamax-boniva-actonel-safety-risks-side-effects.html)

[KeepingItReal]

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[Villages PL]

I would include sugar as a drug-like substance. It's bad for one's health and people become addicted to it. It's in lots of foods like dressings, candy, cakes, pies, cookies, pastries, bread, soft drinks, fruit drinks and many other items.

Just because it comes from a plant, does that make it a food? Lots of pharmaceuticals come from plants.

If you think sugar isn't addictive, try eliminating it from your diet and see what happens. You won't know how much you need it until you don't have it. And moderation usually means a steady supply in one form or another.

Sugar is just plain bad for your health and I think it's a drug.

Now let's hear from all those who are addicted to it. :wave:

[Pturner]

if one really listens to them why would they ask for that med in the first place...

btk

Yep, I know what ya mean. For example, you know those commercials for meds for people who "have to go a lot"? Those TV ads peaked my interest indeed-- since my Indian name is Princess Peezalot.

However, I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion that we were better off without the Big Pharma ads. Had I not heard the ads, I might have taken my doctor's advice to try one of the, um, anti-peezalot pills. However, hearing the long list of side effects recited in the commercials convinced me otherwise. Which is worse methought, frequent potty breaks or osteoporosis.

Thanks to those dumb Big Pharma ads, Princess Peezalot I was and Princess Peezalot I shall remain.

Thanks Big Pharma. And no thanks. ;)

[senior citizen]

I would include sugar as a drug-like substance. It's bad for one's health and people become addicted to it. It's in lots of foods like dressings, candy, cakes, pies, cookies, pastries, bread, soft drinks, fruit drinks and many other items.

Just because it comes from a plant, does that make it a food? Lots of pharmaceuticals come from plants.

If you think sugar isn't addictive, try eliminating it from your diet and see what happens. You won't know how much you need it until you don't have it. And moderation usually means a steady supply in one form or another.

Sugar is just plain bad for your health and I think it's a drug.

Now let's hear from all those who are addicted to it. :wave:

Basically, sugar has been replaced by its evil twin HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP........which is in everything if you read labels. Also, toxic to one's health given the huge amount of it which is consumed.

Best to eliminate as many processed foods, canned foods, frozen prepared foods, etc. as one can and try to cook "fresh" (which I know you do)......

[lightworker888]

Just found LoHan a natural sweetener in Chinese cooking. It's from a fruit. I got it from Vitacost. Doesn't take much to add sweetness and can be used in baking and cooking and drinks. Comes in a powdered form. We are using it instead of stevia as the inulin in the stevia can be challenging according to some research I did on types of stevia and trying to avoid maltodextrin. The goal is to reeducate the "sweet tooth" so that less sweetness is wanted. I'm not into sweet as much as DH so it's easier for me. But he hasn't made any comments about the taste when I use the Lo Han.

LW888

[twinklesweep]

I would include sugar as a drug-like substance. It's bad for one's health and people become addicted to it. It's in lots of foods like dressings, candy, cakes, pies, cookies, pastries, bread, soft drinks, fruit drinks and many other items.

Just because it comes from a plant, does that make it a food? Lots of pharmaceuticals come from plants.

If you think sugar isn't addictive, try eliminating it from your diet and see what happens. You won't know how much you need it until you don't have it. And moderation usually means a steady supply in one form or another.

Sugar is just plain bad for your health and I think it's a drug.

Now let's hear from all those who are addicted to it. :wave:

Are you talking about real sugar or the stuff that thanks to pressure from big agriculture has replaced it in most processed foods--high fructose corn syrup? The same “corn” that gasoline additives are made from!


Basically, sugar has been replaced by its evil twin HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP........which is in everything if you read labels. Also, toxic to one's health given the huge amount of it which is consumed.

Best to eliminate as many processed foods, canned foods, frozen prepared foods, etc. as one can and try to cook "fresh" (which I know you do)......

I couldn’t agree more. Just read the ingredients on the labels and be responsible for what you’re putting in your bodies. Processed foods are killing us--with our support and agreement!


Just had a conversation yesterday with a neighbour about how people are handing over their lives to people in "authority" who they think have more understanding about their bodies than they do. It is your life and your body and the information is all available. Take some active charge of your life as you have to live the consequences of choices you make. No one forces you to do or take anything. It is all in your hands (except of course in an acute emergency) and it behooves all of us to check out all the choices we make daily. It is your choice in the food you choose, the stores and restaurants etc. you support, the lifestyle choices you make, the people you hang out with, the movies and tv you watch........the list is endless. If we keep blindly supporting choices that are governed by the profits of the companies, we allow ourselves to be easily led down a path of their choosing.

It seems that more people are waking up, but we as a people have to get out of our "victim" stance and become part of the "take action" group in order to get change to happen. It has been said that if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always gotten. Change only happens at a different level of consciousness so that is why it is so important to keep getting more info. That's the only way I know of to raise consciousness. And I know that "driving your own bus" isn't always "easy", but it can be as exciting as you want to make it. And at least the consequences are of your own making which is very empowering and satisfying.

Getting off my soapbox now.


LW888

Stay on your soap box, LW888. Be a power of example of someone who takes responsibility for yourself and stops blaming others for your bad choices!

[senior citizen]

Yep, I know what ya mean. For example, you know those commercials for meds for people who "have to go a lot"? Those TV ads peaked my interest indeed-- since my Indian name is Princess Peezalot.

However, I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion that we were better off without the Big Pharma ads. Had I not heard the ads, I might have taken my doctor's advice to try one of the, um, anti-peezalot pills. However, hearing the long list of side effects recited in the commercials convinced me otherwise. Which is worse methought, frequent potty breaks or osteoporosis.

Thanks to those dumb Big Pharma ads, Princess Peezalot I was and Princess Peezalot I shall remain.

Thanks Big Pharma. And no thanks. ;)

Exactly and thank goodness you were able to make your own educated decision on what apparently did not sound kosher to you.

I read for years (and known folks who've experienced the medical treadmill) where the first prescription leads to side effects that leads to the second prescription that leads to new side effects.....and on and on until a poor soul is on 5 or 6 meds for something innocuous to begin with.

I have arthritis pain, joint pain.......however, I prefer to not screw any more with my immune system.....nor develop blood cancer, etc. down the line or lung cancer as the disclaimers say, when I've never smoked a day in my life...........like, which is the lesser of two evils?

I had a friend who never smoked a day in her life; her husband didn't smoke either......she did "doctor" for arthritis pain in her feet.....and she did like to get a "little pill" so was put on RX....for arthritis. Two years later she came down with lung cancer which was a mystery to all........
She had a horrible two years after that..........now, no one knows for sure, but if you listen to the "possible side effects" it does say lung cancer and I've researched it..........how can one get lung cancer from an arthritis drug? And who would want to?

I'll stick with my SUPER BLUE emu oil with aloe vera and other botanicals.

I can live with the joint pain and stiffness, worse on rainy, snowy, cold days..........and live with plain aspirin and the heat cranked up.

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=twinklesweep;671577]Are you talking about real sugar or the stuff that thanks to pressure from big agriculture has replaced it in most processed foods--high fructose corn syrup? The same “corn” that gasoline additives are made from!
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You've probably read all of the same stuff I have.........

I do believe all of the processed foods available today, and consumed by so many "on the go" two partner working families..........plus those who use the drive up windows because they are too exhausted in the evening to cook from scratch............do contribute to most of the strange symptoms people have today..........

I've done the research as you have done. We saw that KING CORN video years ago.....and that was a mind opener.........and I've realized CORN or HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP is in everything...............unless you buy fresh fruits and veggies and natural chicken, etc. and make it all from scratch.........but even barbecue sauces, etc. have it...........everything does.........one has to read every label.

If you read any of the blogs on the internet at the medical sites........young people are having strange symptoms including pain in their legs, joints........you name it and wonder if it's from the green tea they are drinking or some food they are consuming..........there should be a law against "flavor enhansors" in packaged, processed, frozen foods........plus lots of restaurants use the same stuff..........so don't think they are cooking it fresh for us.

[lightworker888]

It is hard for me not to post when something catches my attention and I'm sure there are many out there who are saying "Don't encourage her"! I do try to be as concise as I can, but when I get going on an idea it seems to have legs of its own and often goes off in related directions.

It is nice to know that there are other likeminded people on this forum who are resonating with the information I enjoy sharing. It's better than being the voice in the wilderness that I felt like for so many years. Can't tell you the number of gatherings I went to and just had to keep silent so as not to be seen as "weird". Always was a little "out there" but I finally got to a place where being thought of as weird was not my problem and being me was more empowering and authentic, so it became easier to share. And over the years, more and more people have become interested and more and more information has become mainstream and "proven" so I am always pleased about that.

This forum and the TV atmosphere is so refreshingly relaxing for me that it has become my morning "coffee". I read and type and drink my salt water before I get going in the morning. Life can't get much better than this!

LW888

[senior citizen]

It is hard for me not to post when something catches my attention and I'm sure there are many out there who are saying "Don't encourage her"! I do try to be as concise as I can, but when I get going on an idea it seems to have legs of its own and often goes off in related directions.

It is nice to know that there are other likeminded people on this forum who are resonating with the information I enjoy sharing. It's better than being the voice in the wilderness that I felt like for so many years. Can't tell you the number of gatherings I went to and just had to keep silent so as not to be seen as "weird". Always was a little "out there" but I finally got to a place where being thought of as weird was not my problem and being me was more empowering and authentic, so it became easier to share. And over the years, more and more people have become interested and more and more information has become mainstream and "proven" so I am always pleased about that.

This forum and the TV atmosphere is so refreshingly relaxing for me that it has become my morning "coffee". I read and type and drink my salt water before I get going in the morning. Life can't get much better than this!

LW888

Do you think it's because we live predominately in a colder climate that our thinking process is more accepting of what may seem to others as unusual?
Vermont has always been populated with free thinkers.
Ditto for much of New England..........

[blueash]

Big Pharma is not evil. They are partly responsible for the many medications which are keeping most of us still here. Direct to consumer advertising history is here Direct-to-consumer advertising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-to-consumer_advertising)

It is the FDA which requires the listing of possible side effects in those ads. The package insert which the consumer does not receive with your medication but is available online lists all adverse events that occurred during the premarket testing of the medication including those which may not be caused by the drug but simply happened at a rate higher than that observed either in a placebo arm of a study or at a rate higher than that in an established database. There does not have to be a documented cause and effect relationship. Rare but serious possibilities need to be listed. If a medication has a 50% chance of helping and a .01% chance of harming the benefit greatly outweighs the risk. With complementary medicine the chance of helping is almost always unknown as there is no requirement for any data to be produced and it is not produced as a zero benefit would harm the market. However the risk of harm is almost always extremely low (but not always 12 Dangerous Dietary Supplements (http://www.lhj.com/health/weight-loss/essentials/12-dangerous-dietary-supplements/) ) other than the fact that it may be used by some consumers in place of therapies that could actually help (or harm) them. Some people who chose Laetrile or Krebiozen could have been saved by Big Pharma but instead died at the hands of "alternative" BS.

[lightworker888]

Never thought about the effect of climate. Perhaps the long winters give more time to think, but my theory is that the world closet is full of us, and the energy of the planet is now supporting more coming out into the light and being seen and heard. After all it has always been referred to as Enlightenment and every time cycle has had an Age of Enlightenment and enlightened thinkers, who were first ridiculed, ignored and suppressed, before their ideas were found to have merit and often were the basis of new practices. Reminds me that "Everything old is new again".


LW888

[twinklesweep]

...there should be a law against "flavor enhansors" in packaged, processed, frozen foods........plus lots of restaurants use the same stuff..........so don't think they are cooking it fresh for us.

... we can conscientiously read the labels and still be misled. How many of us realize that "flavor enhancer" or "natural flavoring" or "natural seasoning" is MSG?! What, another chemical?! Oh yes....

[twinklesweep]

Always was a little "out there" but I finally got to a place where being thought of as weird was not my problem and being me was more empowering and authentic, so it became easier to share.

As Gracie says, you have no choice but to be yourself, since everyone else is taken. The trick is not to let someone else's problem become yours--with your agreement yet! You know what is real for you, and while discretion might mean keeping your mouth shut in certain situations, there's no reason for anyone to feel the need to conform when doing so just doesn't feel right. And trust that you are not alone....

[lightworker888]

Reminds me of the story I always told my kids when the "crowd" wanted to go one way and it didn't feel right. It was about how the lemmings follow the crowd and run over the cliff in droves to their death. The visual always reminds me of mobs of kids who don't know where the road is going and blindly follow the apparent leaders.

It must have made some impression as my youngest daughter at 7 or 8 went to a birthday party where the film Halloween was being shown and she asked to be excused and went to play with the toys instead and only one other little girl joined her. They are so impressionable at that age and why any parent would show that film at a party is beyond me so I was very pleased that she opted out!

Needless to say she has grown to be a free thinker and we have an agreement that I can say what I want, and she doesn't need to follow to any of it unless it resonates with her. I had to set it up like that when she was in her 20's as she told me that when I offered suggestions, she had a hard time figuring out if she was just "doing what she was told" or following her own feelings. I didn't want to not share so I let go of any attachment to any of the ideas being taken up by her. Over the years it has been interesting to notice what she has chosen to follow and as she gets older with kids of her own, she is asking about stuff more so it feels like some of the stuff stuck with her and that feels good.

LW888

[blueash]

Reminds me of the story I always told my kids when the "crowd" wanted to go one way and it didn't feel right. It was about how the lemmings follow the crowd and run over the cliff in droves to their death.


I am glad your kids turned out well. However, you may owe them an apology for allowing the master manipulators at Disney to completely mislead (lie) you into using lemmings to illustrate your point.

snopes.com: White Wilderness Lemmings Suicide (http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp)

"Lemmings were imported for use in the film... The rodents were placed on a snow covered turntable and filmed from various angles to produce a "migration" sequence; afterwards the helpless creatures were transported to a cliff overlooking a river and herded into the water... The entire sequence was faked.."

The snopes story is worth reading. No more accusing people of acting like lemmings.

[lightworker888]

Thanks Blueash. I'll have to tell my girls so that so the grandkids don't get the same story!

LW888