Muslim or Christian

[Golfingnut]

Bill Cosby takes a position on religion.

Bill Cosby: We Should All be More Like Muslims (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/06/10/cosby-all-should-be-muslims)

I do not want to give up Christianity as that would mean all kinds of vices that we all enjoy that the Muslim faith does not allow. Booze and open sex would be no no. Some devout Christians don't want that, but the vast majority of Christians are in support of drinking and sexually explicit activity in public, movies etc. Would anybody here totally give up all the pleasure we have just because a god, either Christian or Muslim commanded it?
I do believe if we only had one god, there would be less problems.

[DougB]

There is only one God

[Golfingnut]

There is only one God

That may be, but my point is as Christians, we enjoy being able to pick and choose the Commandments we like to follow and ignore the rest.

Muslims are forced to follow all of the commandments. Too Restrictive for us part time followers of faith.

We would definitely be better at following god if we were Muslims, but I for one don't want to be forced to follow all of Gods rules. Let me decide for myself the ones I will follow. I like beer for one thing.

[DianeM]

There is only one God but that said, there is no way in hell I would be Muslim. Way too radical and way too hot in Florida to wear a burka that covers head to toe.

[billethkid]

"...but the vast majority of Christians are in support of drinking and sexually explicit activity in public, movies etc...."

Really? I do believe this to be a significant bit of poetic lisence to facilitate a controversial commentary!!


btk

[Golfingnut]

"...but the vast majority of Christians are in support of drinking and sexually explicit activity in public, movies etc...."

Really? I do believe this to be a significant bit of poetic lisence to facilitate a controversial commentary!!


btk

I disagree, especially since most of us here in the villages partake in a drink or two and our wives don't cover their legs and faces. I would never get my wife in a burka and she even dances at the squares. I am just saying, that Muslims are more devout in their commitment to god than we Christians, but that is the way I like it and would never change.

[graciegirl]

There is only one God but that said, there is no way in hell I would be Muslim. Way too radical and way too hot in Florida to wear a burka that covers head to toe.

That is how I feel too. AND Sweetie wouldn't have to wear a burka. What's wrong with that picture?

I like our Christian stuff that says...Do unto others, the big TEN Commandments and the additions I have made as the family Matriarch.

Don't have unprotected sex.
Don't drink and drive.
Save your money.

I am kinda kiddin' and kinda serious about the above. Even for the non religious, these are good ways to live your life, be happy, stay outa trouble and have genuine friends.

[graciegirl]

That may be, but my point is as Christians, we enjoy being able to pick and choose the Commandments we like to follow and ignore the rest.

Muslims are forced to follow all of the commandments. Too Restrictive for us part time followers of faith.

We would definitely be better at following god if we were Muslims, but I for one don't want to be forced to follow all of Gods rules. Let me decide for myself the ones I will follow. I like beer for one thing.

I lived very near a mosque for twenty years in West Chester, Ohio and Muslims are a good deal like anyone else in that they can be more or less involved and devout in their faith. The really scary part is that...being really devout is sometimes becoming very radical. And thinking to harm infidels, who would be Christians and non Muslims...

A very close friend's Catholic daughter married a Muslim and their children go to Muslim school but she doesn't wear a burka (are we spelling this right?) but she does defer to her husband in all decisions. Maybe defer is too soft a word for someone like me who thinks that women are very equal to men. I am trying to write fairly. It is a very different concept to what I am used to and I know that some very conservative Christian religions do very much believe that a man is the head of his house and a women should obey. But not my belief's....thank God for Henry who is my partner and thinks of women as equal to men...except he is physically stronger of course.

I want to respect people of all faiths and find good in them, but sometimes I worry about radical Muslims.

[Golfingnut]

I lived very near a mosque for twenty years in West Chester, Ohio and Muslims are a good deal like anyone else in that they can be more or less involved and devout in their faith. The really scary part is that...being really devout is sometimes becoming very radical. And thinking to harm infidels, who would be Christians and non Muslims...

A very close friend's Catholic daughter married a Muslim and their children go to Muslim school but she doesn't wear a burka (are we spelling this right?) but she does defer to her husband in all decisions. Maybe defer is too soft a word for someone like me who thinks that women are very equal to men. I am trying to write fairly. It is a very different concept to what I am used to and I know that some very conservative Christian religions do very much believe that a man is the head of his house and a women should obey. But not my belief's....thank God for Henry who is my partner and thinks of women as equal to men...except he is physically stronger of course.

I want to respect people of all faiths and find good in them, but sometimes I worry about radical Muslims.

Hey, we're with ya all the way. The way they roll is far too restrictive for us, that don't make them wrong, just WAY to out there for us.

[TexaninVA]

Bill Cosby takes a position on religion.

Bill Cosby: We Should All be More Like Muslims (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/06/10/cosby-all-should-be-muslims)

I do not want to give up Christianity as that would mean all kinds of vices that we all enjoy that the Muslim faith does not allow. Booze and open sex would be no no. Some devout Christians don't want that, but the vast majority of Christians are in support of drinking and sexually explicit activity in public, movies etc. Would anybody here totally give up all the pleasure we have just because a god, either Christian or Muslim commanded it?
I do believe if we only had one god, there would be less problems.

You mean if we had one religion? In any event, Islam has a strict set of guidelines true but the flip side is it is fundamentally a violent religion. I know I will get a lot of "no, they're just like anyone else comments" but let's face it ... the have a LOT of radicals (percentage wise) in their faith compared to contemporary Christianity, Judaism, agnostics and scientologists etc. We all pretty much know that even if it's not PC to say it. People forget that Mohammed was a warrior ... and a very good one at that. The historical legacy is Islam was largely spread by the sword.

[billethkid]

"Muslims are more devout in their commitment to god than we Christians"

I would suggest that is an opinion or feeling or rationale and not a fact.

btk

[karostay]

Hope the moderator removes this thread

[graciegirl]

Hope the moderator removes this thread

Why karostay? I did not see anything mean said or am I insensitive?

[billethkid]

I too am interested why anybody would be appealing to the moderator for anything that has been said in this thread.

It is the minority opinion like that which helped political to become history.

I think it is normal to discuss, debate, disagree, promote, praise and differ in belief and opinion.

We respect your opinion but not the arbitrary decision that something is offensive......enough to entertain the moderator with a suggestion.

There is a better and much easier option.....discontinue reading a thread one feels is offensive or not to ones liking.

Remeber no struggle....no progress.

btk

[Golfingnut]

Yea, time to change the subject from political to something less offensive.

[karostay]

Yea, time to change the subject from political to something less offensive.

Thank You:bigbow:

[chachacha]

i do not find this thread offensive, but sad that it is true that most christians are a poor example of what Christ wanted our lives to be like...it is also true that more muslims practice refraining from drinking, shunning abortion, frequent prayer and other things which i admire. unfortunately, that is also accompanied by maltreatment of women in many cases, and in worst scenarios a tendency to radicalize. if only more christians had the fervor of the muslims, and if only more muslims had the peace of Christ, the world would be an all around better place. we should all pray for each other.

[TexaninVA]

i do not find this thread offensive, but sad that it is true that most christians are a poor example of what Christ wanted our lives to be like...it is also true that more muslims practice refraining from drinking, shunning abortion, frequent prayer and other things which i admire. unfortunately, that is also accompanied by maltreatment of women in many cases, and in worst scenarios a tendency to radicalize. if only more christians had the fervor of the muslims, and if only more muslims had the peace of Christ, the world would be an all around better place. we should all pray for each other.

Chachacha ...Very well put indeed ... let's hope that happens someday

[graciegirl]

i do not find this thread offensive, but sad that it is true that most christians are a poor example of what Christ wanted our lives to be like...it is also true that more muslims practice refraining from drinking, shunning abortion, frequent prayer and other things which i admire. unfortunately, that is also accompanied by maltreatment of women in many cases, and in worst scenarios a tendency to radicalize. if only more christians had the fervor of the muslims, and if only more muslims had the peace of Christ, the world would be an all around better place. we should all pray for each other.

What an enormously profound, extremely kind and very thoughtful post.

Today I will work a little harder on my end.

Hugs and love Cha.

[Golfingnut]

i do not find this thread offensive, but sad that it is true that most christians are a poor example of what Christ wanted our lives to be like...it is also true that more muslims practice refraining from drinking, shunning abortion, frequent prayer and other things which i admire. unfortunately, that is also accompanied by maltreatment of women in many cases, and in worst scenarios a tendency to radicalize. if only more christians had the fervor of the muslims, and if only more muslims had the peace of Christ, the world would be an all around better place. we should all pray for each other.

:bigbow:

When we all understand that what we see wrong with them is the differences we can start a dialogue. As long Christians and Muslims focus on our differences instead of what we can agree on, it will never end. We will say how do Muslim women tolerate their treatment and they say it is Gods will. You must be able to see why a devout Muslim looks at the way Christian woman dress and be totally freaked out. Their beliefs go back thousands of years before Christianity was brought into the world.

Disclaimer.. I am willing to fight to the death to keep America free from all religions. Now, keep in mind more Muslims feel that strongly about their faith than do Christians about theirs.

[justjim]

It's been a while but I "sort of kind of" remember reading about the Christian Crusades somewhere around 1099 (and a couple hundred years later I think) where the Pope promised eternal salvation to those who would war with the Muslins and take back the Holy Land. Yep, Christians and Muslins have been fighting for many many years. However, the stakes are a bit higher with modern warfare. It's one things to fight with sword and the use of horses, entirely something different with the weapons available today. Are we headed to all out war between Christians and Muslins once again? If so, it really could be the end of the world as we know it. That's an ugly thought. Think I'll go and play some golf. Fore!

[billethkid]

It's been a while but I "sort of kind of" remember reading about the Christian Crusades somewhere around 1099 (and a couple hundred years later I think) where the Pope promised eternal salvation to those who would war with the Muslins and take back the Holy Land. Yep, Christians and Muslins have been fighting for many many years. However, the stakes are a bit higher with modern warfare. It's one things to fight with sword and the use of horses, entirely something different with the weapons available today. Are we headed to all out war between Christians and Muslins once again? If so, it really could be the end of the world as we know it. That's an ugly thought. Think I'll go and play some golf. Fore!

while time has past and much has changed the intents of the past has not...proof positive Egypt today and the burning of christain churches and schools.
The intents have stood the test of time. It is obvious whatever weapons/destructive means is available to the likes of those in Egypt will be used to promote their cause.

The other advantage the Muslims have is the overly tolerant and permissive mode our country is in. The timid and the tolerant will be over run.

btk

[blueash]

Why has no one taken the time to mention the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Pastafarians yet? Oh I just did. May you be touched by his noodly appendage.

Flying Spaghetti Monster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster)

See, discussions of religion need not degenerate into invective.

[TexaninVA]

...

The other advantage the Muslims have is the overly tolerant and permissive mode our country is in. The timid and the tolerant will be over run.

btk


This is exactly right .. .just think about it strategically. If you have one side that is highly motivated to prevail, and the other is, as noted, overly tolerant and permissive ... which side will be successful? This is a pretty easy bet over time.

My prediction ... barring some type of "great awakening," secular Europe will, within the lifetime of our grandchildren, be largely converted to Islam. In other words, cathedrals will become mosques. It's a matter of demographics (higher birth rates, immigration) and the power of faith.

[Mallory Voice]

You mean if we had one religion? In any event, Islam has a strict set of guidelines true but the flip side is it is fundamentally a violent religion. I know I will get a lot of "no, they're just like anyone else comments" but let's face it ... the have a LOT of radicals (percentage wise) in their faith compared to contemporary Christianity, Judaism, agnostics and scientologists etc. We all pretty much know that even if it's not PC to say it. People forget that Mohammed was a warrior ... and a very good one at that. The historical legacy is Islam was largely spread by the sword.

Take a very close look at the brotherhood's submachine guns in Egypt right now. Yeah.....that's a faith/religion you can believe in, right?!@#! Are you nuts? It was created by a man, for man, and nothing but man. They wouldn't know peace if it hit them in the face and it is postulated that this so called 'religion' will have its judgment day. Mark these words.
MV

[TexaninVA]

:bigbow:

When we all understand that what we see wrong with them is the differences we can start a dialogue. As long Christians and Muslims focus on our differences instead of what we can agree on, it will never end. We will say how do Muslim women tolerate their treatment and they say it is Gods will. You must be able to see why a devout Muslim looks at the way Christian woman dress and be totally freaked out. Their beliefs go back thousands of years before Christianity was brought into the world.



Actually it will end ... because the stronger and more motivated side will win and the other one will lose. That is pretty much the history of civilizations, ...growth, maturation and decline ...to be replaced by a more expansive civilization. Whether that's fair or unfair you can argue, but it just seems to be the way the world is.

Also, when you say Muslim beliefs go back "thousands of years before Christianity was brought into the world" ... that's not correct (assuming that's what you meant).

Islam is really an offshoot of Christianity and got its start roughly 600 years after Christ's time on earth. Islam's explosive success in the 7th and 8th centuries AD was brought about by military expansion and a successful warrior culture. That's really where the 72 virgins thing got its start as well and whoever came up with it was a genius. If you were uneducated and lived a miserable life in the Arabian desert, that motivator seemed to work very well because the Muslim armies were unstoppable for the better part of two centuries. Their Navy was pretty darn good too for that matter, something that's rarely mentioned.

[rubicon]

Muslim or Christian? Really! That question is actually being posed here?

One poster said there is one God. The problem with that statement is that there are probably 6 billion interpretations as to who that one God is because we all have our personal God. And there are millions upon millions of reasons we call upon him....or maybe yours is a her.

Radical Muslims have been fighting Christians from the 6th century intent on slaying every infidel. Look at the mass extermination of Coptic Christians that has been going on for a very long time and is on the rise in Egypt.

I become concerns when people present Christians as victimizing these folks.
History cuts as much as it kicks and so a balanced accounting of historical facts is required.

[Easyrider]

[QUOTE=Golfingnut;727161]:

Their beliefs go back thousands of years before Christianity was brought into the world.


The Facts Get In the Way of This Statement

Obviously some research is needed about how Muhammad was a self declared prophet at the urging of his wife after going to a cave and supposedly having a vision from a single angel Gabriel. He worked for his wife's company and only he and her proclaimed him a prophet 600 years + after the death and resurrection of Christ. To base an entire religion on the dreams of one man and his wife would be absurd but due to the violence many were forced to accept it or be killed and thus large numbers of people became followers.

Jesus Christ the Son Of God walked, lived, preached his gospel, set up his church, and gave his life for the our sins. His teaching and sayings were witnessed and written by many.


The New Testament consists of 27 books (or letters) which, for the most part, were written prior to the start of the second century (100 A.D.). The first four (the Gospels) contain written accounts of the teaching and ministry of Jesus Christ. The books which follow interpret Jesus' teaching and explain how to apply it to daily life.

It would appear that until about 50-60 A.D. there was no need for a written account of the Gospel. This is because the eyewitnesses were still living who could pass on the information first-hand. However, since the apostles were to grow old and pass away like everybody else, it later became necessary to have written accounts of the life of Jesus so that the facts would not get distorted with the passage of time. As a result, certain of the apostles and their associates penned the accounts we now have included as the four gospels.

Towards the end of the first century, it appears the four gospel accounts were gathered together into a single collection called "The Gospel". (The various accounts were distinguished by adding According to Matthew, According to Mark, etc.) At roughly the same time the letters written by the apostle Paul were also gathered together into a collection referred to as "The Apostle". While these collections represent the beginning of what eventually came to be regarded as the New Testament canon, they were not yet formally grouped together and designated as such.

In about 140 A.D., a man named Marcion arrived in Rome and began preaching a distorted version of the teachings included in The Gospel and The Apostle. This movement grew to such an extent that the Christian church leaders saw the necessity to more clearly formalize the distinction between what was and was not authoritative scripture. This led to the formalization of the list of writings considered authoritative by the Christian church (the New Testament canon).


Muhammad*: 570-632 AD

Born in about 570 CE into a respected Quraysh family of Mecca, Muhammad grew up with fair and upright character and earned the nickname "al-Amin" (Arabic: الامين), meaning "the Faithful".[7][8] At the age of 40 in 610 CE, Muhammad received his first verbal revelation in a cave named Mount Hira. This was the beginning of the descent of the Quran that continued up to the end of his life; and Muhammad was asked by God, as the Muslims hold, to preach the "oneness of God" in order to stamp out idolatry, a practice overtly present in the then Arab society.[9][10] Because of persecution on the newly converted Muslims, and upon the invitation of a delegation from Medina (then known as Yathrib), Muhammad and his followers migrated to Medina in 622 CE, an event known as Hijra (in Latin: Hegira).[11][12] A turning point in Muhammad’s life, this Hijra also marks the beginning of Islamic calendar. In Medina, Muhammad sketched out the Constitution of Medina specifying the rights of and relations among the various existing communities there, formed an independent Muslim community (Ummah), and managed to established the first Islamic state.[13] Despite the ongoing hostilities of the Meccans, Muhammad, along with his followers, took the control of Mecca in 630 CE., .[14] In later years in Medina, the Islamic Prophet Muhammad unified the different Arab tribes under Islam,[15] carried out social and religious reforms,[16] and made administrative developments that further consolidated the Islamic community.[17] Before he passed away in 632, his teachings won him the acceptance of Islam of almost all the tribes of Arabian Peninsula.[18]

Born Muḥammad ibn `Abd Allāh
c. 570
Mecca (Makkah), Arabia
(now Saudi Arabia)
Died 8 June 632 (aged 62)
Yathrib, Arabia (present-day Medina, Hejaz, Saudi Arabia)
Resting place Tomb under the Green Dome of Al-Masjid al-Nabawi in Medina, Hejaz, Saudi Arabia
Other names Abu al-Qasim (Kunya),
Also see Names of Muhammad
Ethnicity Arab
Religion Islam
Spouse(s) Wives: Khadijah bint Khuwaylid (595–619)
Sawda bint Zamʿa (619–632)
Aisha bint Abi Bakr (619–632)
Hafsa bint Umar (624–632)
Zaynab bint Khuzayma (625–627)
Hind bint Abi Umayya (629–632)
Zaynab bint Jahsh (627–632)
Juwayriya bint al-Harith (628–632)
Ramlah bint Abi Sufyan (628–632)
Rayhana bint Zayd (629–631)
Safiyya bint Huyayy (629–632)
Maymuna bint al-Harith (630–632)
Maria al-Qibtiyya (630–632)

[charlie_marie]

You DO NOT have to go to church or believe in any god to be a good person with morals . That all I have to say about that .

[TexaninVA]

You DO NOT have to go to church or believe in any god to be a good person with morals . That all I have to say about that .

Well said and no one is saying you have to go to church. I know many people with exemplary morals who never go to church ... including my ex-wife :)

[Golfingnut]

You DO NOT have to go to church or believe in any god to be a good person with morals . That all I have to say about that .

Atheists that I have known, make better citizens than the devout Christians that I have known. I can't explain why, but that is the way they seem to me.

[billethkid]

Atheists that I have known, make better citizens than the devout Christians that I have known. I can't explain why, but that is the way they seem to me.

Hmmmnnnn....I'll have to start asking folks so I can compare them as well.
:angel:

btk

[Easyrider]

Atheists that I have known, make better citizens than the devout Christians that I have known. I can't explain why, but that is the way they seem to me.

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I agree it is true there are many, many kind and generous people that don't believe in God and have never been saved. Though morals are important we cannot live good enough to make it into heaven no matter how hard we try.

Being a Christian does not make anyone perfect as there is none, no not one without sin as stated in the Holy Bible.

We must repent and be saved and forgiven of the sin of unbelief if we are to enter into heaven as this is the only sin that separates us from God.

We don't repent of carnal sins when begotten by the Holy Spirit but the sin of unbelief which is of the heart. We are promised one opportunity but some receive many callings. A calling comes as a still small voice speaking to our hearts. Many refuse the call to repent never to be called upon again even though they may try to live an exemplary life. We look upon the outside of a person while God looks upon the inside.

Proverbs 1:27
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

[ActsOfKindness]

I am a believer in Christ for over 35 years now..coming out of jewish heritage. Jesus was a jew just for the record. I have studied the life of mohammed. the history of the origins of islam and how it spread, and the teachings of the qur'an and hadiths...the fundamental blue print for the foundational religiousity of islam. I have studied the history of Christ, christianity, and Christs teachings. and how he lived his life.. To do a comparative study on two men, even if you do not believe in Christ as diety.. one can only come to the unmistakable conclusion .that mohammed was a power driven lust filled maniacal pedifile self proclaiming prophet...whom to this day , people look to as a role model. the teachings of Christ .....are peace, the teachings of mohammed were war and vengence. Insofar as 'christians' choosing the commandments, I am most curious how many christians the writer that began this thread have met in their lifetime. there are approximately 2 billion or more christians in the world. Christs commandments were simple yet profound. to love God with all your heart spirit mind strength(the Shema') and to love your neighbor as yourself. I do not know one christian on earth that would disagree with those two commandments. Following them is of course another story. that is why christianity is not based on our performance but on the teachings and life of the Christ. To this very day..2013, all over the islamic world.. women are still being stoned to death in the 2lst century and people who try to leave the 'religion' of islam are being tortured and murdered as apostates. The qur'an has over 100 surahs that teach and preach death and intolerance to non believers. Human rights violations..most especially as it applies to the female gender, regarding stoning.. female mutalation with female circumcision , honor killings abound in islamic societies. muslim countrys are coming apart . There are no freedoms in islamic societies. God did not make us robots...and when one is FORCED to follow rules and regulations..that is not true love for God, that is slavery, which islam abides to by the nth degree, slavery to 'allah' I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE WRITER OF THIS THREAD..WHO IS ADVOCATING..that christians..pick and choose commandments..and advocate sin ..i.e. sex drinking etc etc. to their hearts content...where they come up with that allegation, I only know that true christians that love Christ try to walk in His ways, stumble , and continue to press on growing in their faith till the day they die...CHRISTIANITY IS worship of life, l'chaim, Jesus said He is the way the truth and the LIFE.
islam is worship of death. there are millions of muslims around the world who have left islam, exmuslims.com is for sale @ DomainMarket.com (http://www.exmuslims.com), Apostates of Islam - We left Islam (http://www.apostatesofislam.com), so many sites and blogs...and with great peril to their own lives that they have left islam i might add. I believe with all due respect here, that the person who opened up this thread..saying islam is a better god to follow is clueless of its teachings, and its blood filled history. to be sure 'christianity' had moments of violence in its history, but again to reiterate, the teachings of Christ and mohammed are apples and oranges here...and no christian in the 2lst century is killing anyone for leaving a church, or stoning women to death. Islam is still in the 7th century. Sharia law..is lawless..and its courts in muslim countrys are a horror show to women especially rape victims.
I could go on and on and on..and unfortunately I think I did here..so I apologize for that...but it is hard to fanthom anyone advocating islamic teachings over christianity. there are so many books to read..but i would humbly suggest two .....to the writer who initiated this thread.
one is the bible
the other is the quran
if at the end of the day, the writer who began this thread still thinks islam is a better way to go.
good luck. unlike islam God does not force himself on anyones heart.

[Golfingnut]

I am a believer in Christ for over 35 years now..coming out of jewish heritage. Jesus was a jew just for the record. I have studied the life of mohammed. the history of the origins of islam and how it spread, and the teachings of the qur'an and hadiths...the fundamental blue print for the foundational religiousity of islam. I have studied the history of Christ, christianity, and Christs teachings. and how he lived his life.. To do a comparative study on two men, even if you do not believe in Christ as diety.. one can only come to the unmistakable conclusion .that mohammed was a power driven lust filled maniacal pedifile self proclaiming prophet...whom to this day , people look to as a role model. the teachings of Christ .....are peace, the teachings of mohammed were war and vengence. Insofar as 'christians' choosing the commandments, I am most curious how many christians the writer that began this thread have met in their lifetime. there are approximately 2 billion or more christians in the world. Christs commandments were simple yet profound. to love God with all your heart spirit mind strength(the Shema') and to love your neighbor as yourself. I do not know one christian on earth that would disagree with those two commandments. Following them is of course another story. that is why christianity is not based on our performance but on the teachings and life of the Christ. To this very day..2013, all over the islamic world.. women are still being stoned to death in the 2lst century and people who try to leave the 'religion' of islam are being tortured and murdered as apostates. The qur'an has over 100 surahs that teach and preach death and intolerance to non believers. Human rights violations..most especially as it applies to the female gender, regarding stoning.. female mutalation with female circumcision , honor killings abound in islamic societies. muslim countrys are coming apart . There are no freedoms in islamic societies. God did not make us robots...and when one is FORCED to follow rules and regulations..that is not true love for God, that is slavery, which islam abides to by the nth degree, slavery to 'allah' I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE WRITER OF THIS THREAD..WHO IS ADVOCATING..that christians..pick and choose commandments..and advocate sin ..i.e. sex drinking etc etc. to their hearts content...where they come up with that allegation, I only know that true christians that love Christ try to walk in His ways, stumble , and continue to press on growing in their faith till the day they die...CHRISTIANITY IS worship of life, l'chaim, Jesus said He is the way the truth and the LIFE.
islam is worship of death. there are millions of muslims around the world who have left islam, exmuslims.com is for sale @ DomainMarket.com (http://www.exmuslims.com), Apostates of Islam - We left Islam (http://www.apostatesofislam.com), so many sites and blogs...and with great peril to their own lives that they have left islam i might add. I believe with all due respect here, that the person who opened up this thread..saying islam is a better god to follow is clueless of its teachings, and its blood filled history. to be sure 'christianity' had moments of violence in its history, but again to reiterate, the teachings of Christ and mohammed are apples and oranges here...and no christian in the 2lst century is killing anyone for leaving a church, or stoning women to death. Islam is still in the 7th century. Sharia law..is lawless..and its courts in muslim countrys are a horror show to women especially rape victims.
I could go on and on and on..and unfortunately I think I did here..so I apologize for that...but it is hard to fanthom anyone advocating islamic teachings over christianity. there are so many books to read..but i would humbly suggest two .....to the writer who initiated this thread.
one is the bible
the other is the quran
if at the end of the day, the writer who began this thread still thinks islam is a better way to go.
good luck. unlike islam God does not force himself on anyones heart.

Wow..... I am the OP of this thread. Please go back and read it. I said in no uncertain terms that I would NEVER go with Muslim over Christianity. The world would be better off without any religion than having us fight and kill in the name of god, but Christianity is less violent than Muslim so if we must have one I vote for the teachings of Jesus. Be very clear, when it comes to fanatical thinking, the people of the Middle East lead the world.

[buggyone]

Wow..... I am the OP of this thread. Please go back and read it. I said in no uncertain terms that I would NEVER go with Muslim over Christianity. The world would be better off without any religion than having us fight and kill in the name of god, but Christianity is less violent than Muslim so if we must have one I vote for the teachings of Jesus. Be very clear, when it comes to fanatical thinking, the people of the Middle East lead the world.

I noticed one thing, Lou, and that is you left Judaism out of your equation. They were around thousands of years before either Jesus or Mohammed. Lots of horrific acts by early Jews against non-believers in the Bible. Lots of horrific acts by Christians such as the Crusades and the Inquisition. Look at early Puritans in the colonial USA. Many examples of horrific acts by Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all radical at times).

For fanatical thinking, think of the Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire at the beginning of the Vietnam Conflict in protest of a government.

Remember, there is one God - not a Jewish God, not a Christian God, and not a Muslim God. As we say at my church at the end of the service, "Go in peace and spread the Good Word." Do it.

[donb9006]

I noticed one thing, Lou, and that is you left Judaism out of your equation. They were around thousands of years before either Jesus or Mohammed. Lots of horrific acts by early Jews against non-believers in the Bible. Lots of horrific acts by Christians such as the Crusades and the Inquisition. Look at early Puritans in the colonial USA. Many examples of horrific acts by Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all radical at times).

For fanatical thinking, think of the Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire at the beginning of the Vietnam Conflict in protest of a government.

Remember, there is one God - not a Jewish God, not a Christian God, and not a Muslim God. As we say at my church at the end of the service, "Go in peace and spread the Good Word." Do it.

Why do people keep getting this wrong? Muslims had taken over everything from Istanbul, to all of northern Africa, Spain, and a lot of France. The Crusades were a REACTION to Muslim aggression. The Crusades were the beating back of Islam. Oh, and it's a "Christian War" ONLY because the Pope was the one man who could unite the numerous "squabbling" countries to fight united. The Catholic church did very well in that arrangement. The kings paid dearly to keep their lands from falling into Muslim hands.

[Golfingnut]

One common thread in events that end with thousands of deaths. Religion or race differences.

[donb9006]

One common thread in events that end with thousands of deaths. Religion or race differences.

So then, why do we keep pretending that it doesn't matter, that we can all get along? History has shown that we can't. Why do we keep trying to fool ourselves?

[Golfingnut]

So then, why do we keep pretending that it doesn't matter, that we can all get along? History has shown that we can't. Why do we keep trying to fool ourselves?

True. I see two options:

1. Outlaw all religion.

2. Eliminate everyone not of your religion.

Pick one.

[DougB]

True. I see two options:

1. Outlaw all religion.

2. Eliminate everyone not of your religion.

Pick one.

I choose C.

[graciegirl]

Beer IS proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. ”:beer3:

I pick C, also, Doug.

Gracie.

[quirky3]

I noticed one thing, Lou, and that is you left Judaism out of your equation. They were around thousands of years before either Jesus or Mohammed. Lots of horrific acts by early Jews against non-believers in the Bible. Lots of horrific acts by Christians such as the Crusades and the Inquisition. Look at early Puritans in the colonial USA. Many examples of horrific acts by Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all radical at times).

For fanatical thinking, think of the Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire at the beginning of the Vietnam Conflict in protest of a government.

Remember, there is one God - not a Jewish God, not a Christian God, and not a Muslim God. As we say at my church at the end of the service, "Go in peace and spread the Good Word." Do it.

"Amen" - very insightful post!:bigbow:

[Schaumburger]

To quote from a hymn sung at my church:
"Let there be peace on Earth. And let it begin with me. Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be. With God as our father
Brothers all are we. Let me walk with my brother In perfect harmony." Composed by Sy Miller and Jill Jackson