View Full Version : when The Village's outgrow the population at some time in the future what will happen
PennBF
09-13-2013, 10:30 PM
Has anyone considered when The Village's outgrow the population at some point in the future what will happen? How will the potential problems be handled when TV just gets too big? As an example the key government construction is based on the Developers appointments/controls. I don't think anyone questions this. There is little question that at some point there will be a greater demand for a more basic form of a Democratic government. You can see some of the problems starting to pop up. The historic entertainment practices have changed, (e.g. no support for a majority of parades, the entertainment at the squares has become less in talents.) It is also noted that landscaping is not as good as it was and there are a lot more weeds and uncut bushes, etc).It does not take a lot to observe these changes. This may mean there are problems with the current growth and it will just get worse. The question is has anyone thought about this and what if anything is being done to put together plans for the future. Not planning for the future is really outrages as we will get into a reactive mod as opposed to a "proactive mod". Does anyone really think you can act the same way when the growth goes from 10,000 to over 100,000 without a
real form of a democracy? Just think this is something that should be debated.:shrug:
billethkid
09-13-2013, 11:06 PM
Depends upon whether the developer or his represents/business chooses to stay involved after buildout.
If he chooses to leave, like most planned developments there will be some sort of transition period identified at which time a team (for lack of any other term)
Will be made of of resident representatives, developer reprs.
I do not think we have to worry about them packing up and leaving the ship with no ruder, no captain, no direction. That is not the way billion dollar business men operate.
I know there will be some quoting of the bad guy examples.
btk
TheCollierCpl
09-13-2013, 11:39 PM
Where does democracy work well? I don't think there is anything better for a small population than a kingdom, if there is a good king. ... And a citizenry that knows it has the power can keep the kingdom in check. As for us, we have been making decisions our whole life and are ready to relax and st worrying. Although we are just now getting a place here, we have been familiar with TV. These quesitions have been continuous. Let's just he that the upcoming princes and princess's will follow in the fotsts of the king. If not, there is plenty of brain power here to deal with it. In the mean time, relax and st worrying.
Golfingnut
09-14-2013, 03:10 AM
Where does democracy work well? I don't think there is anything better for a small population than a kingdom, if there is a good king. ... And a citizenry that knows it has the power can keep the kingdom in check. As for us, we have been making decisions our whole life and are ready to relax and st worrying. Although we are just now getting a place here, we have been familiar with TV. These quesitions have been continuous. Let's just he that the upcoming princes and princess's will follow in the fotsts of the king. If not, there is plenty of brain power here to deal with it. In the mean time, relax and st worrying.
I agree. It is half full or half empty. Like anywhere in the world you will find the folks that like to live under the premise that the sky is falling, but no where in our travels and we have done a lot, have we lived among so many upbeat positive people. To think that after generations of family building a world famous retirement community would allow their families reputation to be destroyed is a bit of a stretch. Unlike Detroit, with the worst unemployment and terible selection of city politicians, THE VILLAGES if filled with retires with fixed income and even better, with planners that rely on the success of this place to insure their jobs. If you are worried about thirty years from now, go down to one of the squares, have a glass of wine or a cold beer and take a short break from that silliness. Stress kills.
graciegirl
09-14-2013, 05:06 AM
I don't know how to phrase it but I worry about offsite landlords buying up tons of resales and renting them out. Two, or three or four or even five homes owned by a responsible villager that is onsite most of the time is good, but people who are not of our demographics with ONLY a view to make money coming in and buying property to make this a vacation destination really worries me.
But what worries me more is that it does become a place where villagers run it . We will go down the tube fast when that happens. We will take the amenity funds and build all of the things that each person wants until we are overspent and underwater and then have to raise the amenity fees until it isn't the reasonable amount that allows almost everyone to afford to live here. We will have indoor pools and performance centers and dog parks and charging centers for golf carts and people will be able to freely drive their golf cart to Miami and Miami folks will be able to drive their golf carts here and the average age will become thirty and we will see signs all about for three golf carts in every garage and chicken in every pot. Whoops...I got a little carried away there. But it would be UGLY.
I do not want to see the inmates running this asylum.
Love live the king.
ureout
09-14-2013, 06:43 AM
Gracie, Sorry I have to disagree with you. I think we are more than capable of taking care of ourselves. With the talent we have here and the people who really love to stay involved we can make it wok.....a great example is that we do it now on the north side of 466 we took that huge settlement we won from THE OWNERS (by the way which was won by retired lawyers who live here against a huge law firm in S Fla.) and have put it to good use.....I don't see any frivolous spending on what each and every person wants. I think we should ALL have a say in what happens. I for one do not like to be dictated to.
graciegirl
09-14-2013, 07:06 AM
Gracie, Sorry I have to disagree with you. I think we are more than capable of taking care of ourselves. With the talent we have here and the people who really love to stay involved we can make it wok.....a great example is that we do it now on the north side of 466 we took that huge settlement we won from THE OWNERS (by the way which was won by retired lawyers who live here against a huge law firm in S Fla.) and have put it to good use.....I don't see any frivolous spending on what each and every person wants. I think we should ALL have a say in what happens. I for one do not like to be dictated to.
In our younger days we lived in a golf course community, it was a public course and we enjoyed it but it was put up for sale and we didn't want to see it become a bunch of homes so....a hundred or so homeowners bought the course. These were folks who we played golf with for years and thought a couple of thousand dollars each, we are in. What a disaster. We soon learned that common sense is a rarity. Meetings were dominated by know it alls and funds were argued about. Some women wanted to enlarge the ladies locker room and hire a masseuse, some guys wanted to get a loan and redesign the whole course with a golf course architect. There were those who wanted to use private carts on the course and those who didn't. There are those who wanted to turn the hamburger beer concession into fine dining.
WE all finally got out of it and sold it to someone who did build houses on it and we all lost about a thousand bucks each but learned tons about a group of homeowners coming to agreement on what money should be spent on.
And the suit of which you speak..profited those attorneys about four million bucks personally, if I remember correctly and the now president of the POA fifty grand, not that was the reason for the suit. No one can say quite clearly what the reason for the suit was because they aren't allowed to talk about it if they were involved. But we do hear a LOT of opinions. Some must be true, but who knows??? Since I have lived here, the last six years the south side of 466 is maintained perfectly.
Here is a link to that suit from the Orlando Sentinel from March 2006 when it happened.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer
NotGolfer
09-14-2013, 07:38 AM
I choose NOT to think about "what if's"....LIFE is way too short to worry. Things do change...some of which we have NO control over so why worry about it in that case? Just my philosophy!!
Mr.Kris
09-14-2013, 07:42 AM
In pursuit of my future purchase, here is where I get a further understanding of TV operations from folks experiencing the lifestyle.
My understandings are: (1) A number of CDDs, not the commercial or the new build, are controlled by the citizens as envisioned by the Florida "Uniform Community Development District Act of 1980." So a good example would be how are these democratic districts operating. (2) The "free entertainment" is provided by the developer and charged as an expense of sales/promotion. So after build-out, unless the residents pay for this, it may be a little quieter in TV. (3) The "settlement" referred to involves a breach of agreements to provide appropriate levels of amenity services and facilities. My concern here would be are the amenity fees being paid sufficient to maintain the facilities and to fund the bonds, current and future, to pay the developer? The VCCDD should have a budget, available to the residents, that shows how this will be accomplished. (4) A review of TV demographics would suggest that the level of education and experience far surpasses any other U.S. jurisdiction of any size. So the foundation for a well operated municipality currently exists in TV, regardless of the size of the population.
Comments are extremely welcomed because I need to make a purchase with my "eyes-wide-open."
graciegirl
09-14-2013, 07:57 AM
In pursuit of my future purchase, here is where I get a further understanding of TV operations from folks experiencing the lifestyle.
My understandings are: (1) A number of CDDs, not the commercial or the new build, are controlled by the citizens as envisioned by the Florida "Uniform Community Development District Act of 1980." So a good example would be how are these democratic districts operating. (2) The "free entertainment" is provided by the developer and charged as an expense of sales/promotion. No, actually the businesses on the squares pay for the entertainment and the entertainment department is now not owned by the developer but by the people who have run it for a long time. The Vescos..So after build-out, unless the residents pay for this, it may be a little quieter in TV. (3) The "settlement" referred to involves a breach of agreements to provide appropriate levels of amenity services and facilities. My concern here would be are the amenity fees being paid sufficient to maintain the facilities and to fund the bonds, current and future, to pay the developer? The VCCDD should have a budget, available to the residents, that shows how this will be accomplished. (4) A review of TV demographics would suggest that the level of education and experience far surpasses any other U.S. jurisdiction of any size. So the foundation for a well operated municipality currently exists in TV, regardless of the size of the population.
Comments are extremely welcomed because I need to make a purchase with my "eyes-wide-open."
The areas south of 466 are run the way the developer has run them from the beginning. The areas north of 466 have "input" from the inhabitants.
I will let others tell you what they think. I personally like living south.
Drive around and look both places and see what you think. All are lovely. The areas south have MORE deed restrictions and less objects of art in yards.
donb9006
09-14-2013, 09:20 AM
As long as the demographics don't change...I'm good...
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
09-14-2013, 09:39 AM
I don't know how to phrase it but I worry about offsite landlords buying up tons of resales and renting them out. Two, or three or four or even five homes owned by a responsible villager that is onsite most of the time is good, but people who are not of our demographics with ONLY a view to make money coming in and buying property to make this a vacation destination really worries me.
But what worries me more is that it does become a place where villagers run it . We will go down the tube fast when that happens. We will take the amenity funds and build all of the things that each person wants until we are overspent and underwater and then have to raise the amenity fees until it isn't the reasonable amount that allows almost everyone to afford to live here. We will have indoor pools and performance centers and dog parks and charging centers for golf carts and people will be able to freely drive their golf cart to Miami and Miami folks will be able to drive their golf carts here and the average age will become thirty and we will see signs all about for three golf carts in every garage and chicken in every pot. Whoops...I got a little carried away there. But it would be UGLY.
I do not want to see the inmates running this asylum.
Love live the king.
I don't think that you got carried away at all. It sounds like most municipalities and states in this country.
The problem is not democracy as I see it, it is the bastardization of democracy. The federal government takes so much of our money and then holds it out to states and municipalities in order to get them to do what they want as though they know what's better for us.
Throw in the fact that people who have gotten in power in the past have set up a system slants the electoral process in their favor and we get this system that's no longer a true form of democracy.
We are not and were never intended to be a democracy anyway. We are a representative republic. Pure democracy would never work with anything but a small number of people. It would simply take too much of every one's time to be involved in making every decision that get's made. That's why we hire people to make those decisions for us.
I don't understand all of the worrying about this place getting to big either. I really don't care. I have my little house and little bit of land. I have nice neighbors and everything I really need within a short golf cart drive. Things that happen down below 466A don't really affect me and I don't think that they ever will. I don't know that any different form of government will ever be necessary. What we have now appears to be working just fine and I don't see why it wouldn't work if the population doubled.
Just my opinion.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
09-14-2013, 10:03 AM
In our younger days we lived in a golf course community, it was a public course and we enjoyed it but it was put up for sale and we didn't want to see it become a bunch of homes so....a hundred or so homeowners bought the course. These were folks who we played golf with for years and thought a couple of thousand dollars each, we are in. What a disaster. We soon learned that common sense is a rarity. Meetings were dominated by know it alls and funds were argued about. Some women wanted to enlarge the ladies locker room and hire a masseuse, some guys wanted to get a loan and redesign the whole course with a golf course architect. There were those who wanted to use private carts on the course and those who didn't. There are those who wanted to turn the hamburger beer concession into fine dining.
WE all finally got out of it and sold it to someone who did build houses on it and we all lost about a thousand bucks each but learned tons about a group of homeowners coming to agreement on what money should be spent on.
And the suit of which you speak..profited those attorneys about four million bucks personally, if I remember correctly and the now president of the POA fifty grand, not that was the reason for the suit. No one can say quite clearly what the reason for the suit was because they aren't allowed to talk about it if they were involved. But we do hear a LOT of opinions. Some must be true, but who knows??? Since I have lived here, the last six years the south side of 466 is maintained perfectly.
Here is a link to that suit from the Orlando Sentinel from March 2006 when it happened.
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - Orlando Sentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer)
I spent my life working at golf courses and the majority of that time running private country clubs and you are absolutely 100% correct. Everyone that gets elected to a board has their own little agenda. Couple that with the fact that most people have never really run anything and you have a recipe for disaster. That is exactly why I left a good job at a country club and went on to teaching full time for less money.
You will always have people who think that they know better then the experts that they hire do perform certain duties. I remember having a member of the greens committee call my superintendent one day to tell him that he needed to syringe the fifth green. The committee member was a retired postal carrier. Nothing wrong with that, but he knew nothing about maintaining a golf course. He and the superintendent almost came to blows.
I also had a tournament chairman for several years that tried to set up every tournament so that there were large cash payouts for the top few teams. Of course, his teams always finished in the money.
I did have one club president for a long time who ran his own business and back us up completely. He would tell the board members to let the professionals do their jobs. Give them and idea of the outcome that you want and then let them do it. If people who get elected would take this kind of attitude governments would work a lot better. Unfortunately, they seldom do and we end up with situations like Gracie has described.
rubicon
09-14-2013, 10:06 AM
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]This is a subject that have been the minds of many residents for a good number of years. Based on the regulations upon which this development is being built and funded the Developer has a legal obligation to relinquish control of residential districts to residents. the Developer (Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc.) will continue to own and operate the commercial district.
In order to have a government consisting of a mayor, etc The villages would need to incorporate. If The Villages incorporated then it would become a part of lady Lake, etc wherein the amenities would be open to all residents of Lake, Marion and Sumter counties.
Much to my surprise and delight I actually have come to believe that The Villages government is working quite well. In fact so far I believe it operates better than our federal government and actually knows and follows a budget. How much credit the Developer gets for this operation is unknown to me. However, if he has considerable sway then I hope he continues
As for The Villages landscaping I also believe it is being handled well. Keep in mind weeds have been prolific ll around the country due to the warm damp weather.
Concerning too big. I prefer to deal with the issues of bigness rather than the issues of abandonment because a development failed.
Challenger
09-14-2013, 10:12 AM
Gracie's comments , as usual, are not frivilous. I financed a number of large condo developments in Md , Va an NJ. Things were great while the developer was in charge and had a huge interest in keeping things under control. The problems started when the residents(erstwhile intelligentsia) took over. Their petty arguments and misguided ideas in many cases became self distructive. Most homeowners have no experience in running anything other that their own homes and families and many of the decisions were naive to say the least. Of course , the biggest , rabblerousers became a majority of the governing bodies.
Be careful what you wish for, it will happen soon enough.
ureout
09-14-2013, 10:41 AM
Gracie, I understand you have only been here for 6 years and yes all is beautiful on the south side of 466....but the north side looks beautiful to me also.....understand 1 thing the owners still own ALL of the properties, rec. centers and softball fields south of 466 and the only reason they do is because of the on going battle with the IRS they have not yet been able to sell all these back to you south siders.....and wait until they do and you see what they want to charge you.....hmmm then we will see people open there eyes :22yikes: there is a reason why the owners became Billionaires....and as far as the brother and sister team that represented us when the owners wanted us N.siders to pay for some of there mistakes while building many years ago.....they more than deserve the $$$$$ 4 million without there service we would have NOTHING
Mikeod
09-14-2013, 10:42 AM
I agree with the posts supporting the current system governing the community. It's not broken. We don't need to fix it.
However, there is an aspect of the original post that should be considered. That is to remain interested and informed about what is going on here.
And that leads me to one area I thnk the developer has an opportunity, if not an obligation, to improve. Communication. I don't think I have any right to expect them to provide information on their development plans down the road, whether it be the Fruitland Park property or property south of 44, or anywhere else. However, when they are involved in changes to existing buildings or properties or facilities, I believe they could be more forthcoming with information if it affects the residents. Examples are everywhere. What were the real reasons the buffalo were removed? More recently, the architectural plans for the Church on the Square obviously are complete as construction has begun. What would be the downside of letting the residents know how it will look when completed and what is the prospect of resuming the Sunday services there when it is done? Same questions for Orange Blossom Hiils. These are things that affect residents' lives and enjoyment of the community. Letting us know doesn't mean giving us input, but it does cut down on the rumors that are not usually complimentary to the developer's efforts. And it would reduce the angst involving changes.
jebartle
09-14-2013, 11:00 AM
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I agree with the posts supporting the current system governing the community. It's not broken. We don't need to fix it.
However, there is an aspect of the original post that should be considered. That is to remain interested and informed about what is going on here.
And that leads me to one area I thnk the developer has an opportunity, if not an obligation, to improve. Communication. I don't think I have any right to expect them to provide information on their development plans down the road, whether it be the Fruitland Park property or property south of 44, or anywhere else. However, when they are involved in changes to existing buildings or properties or facilities, I believe they could be more forthcoming with information if it affects the residents. Examples are everywhere. What were the real reasons the buffalo were removed? More recently, the architectural plans for the Church on the Square obviously are complete as construction has begun. What would be the downside of letting the residents know how it will look when completed and what is the prospect of resuming the Sunday services there when it is done? Same questions for Orange Blossom Hiils. These are things that affect residents' lives and enjoyment of the community. Letting us know doesn't mean giving us input, but it does cut down on the rumors that are not usually complimentary to the developer's efforts. And it would reduce the angst involving changes.
billethkid
09-14-2013, 11:13 AM
Gracie's concerns are very legitimate. I have been on boards of two different public unit developments that pahsed from the developer to the residents. The single biggest problem is in fact dealing with folks who want this, that or the other thing purchased, built, added, bought or done away with. They have no regard for funding what so ever and like the government they don't care or are concerned.
I was the budget watchdog. I got so many personal contacts, calls, threats, offers at home at all hours of the day or night from both for and against the same projects/wants. Eventually I was over ruled by the board on a couple of major additions to amenities that required new construction. The budget would not support it....then there were future monthly amenity fee increases assumed to make the numbers come out. Lobbying by special interests within the community.....
I can assure you regardless the resident talent within a given community, the politics and problems far outweigh the sanity of reality. One of the boards I eventually wound up resigning from as they were driven by a philosophy of it did not matter if proposals wer without funding, they proceded anyway. Eventually there was an uprising in the resident membership when too many assesments were being levied for too many projects that were not for the good of the resident owned and operated developement.
Keeping the developer involved should not be a negative. The Villages run by residents may sound good, but it will be frought with issues and problems the developer does not have as they for the most part while protecting the interests of the developer are tuned to provide for the most part for the good of the majority.
Beware what you wish for!
btk
GPGuar
09-14-2013, 12:29 PM
:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:Gracie's concerns are very legitimate. I have been on boards of two different public unit developments that pahsed from the developer to the residents. The single biggest problem is in fact dealing with folks who want this, that or the other thing purchased, built, added, bought or done away with. They have no regard for funding what so ever and like the government they don't care or are concerned.
I was the budget watchdog. I got so many personal contacts, calls, threats, offers at home at all hours of the day or night from both for and against the same projects/wants. Eventually I was over ruled by the board on a couple of major additions to amenities that required new construction. The budget would not support it....then there were future monthly amenity fee increases assumed to make the numbers come out. Lobbying by special interests within the community.....
I can assure you regardless the resident talent within a given community, the politics and problems far outweigh the sanity of reality. One of the boards I eventually wound up resigning from as they were driven by a philosophy of it did not matter if proposals wer without funding, they proceded anyway. Eventually there was an uprising in the resident membership when too many assesments were being levied for too many projects that were not for the good of the resident owned and operated developement.
Keeping the developer involved should not be a negative. The Villages run by residents may sound good, but it will be frought with issues and problems the developer does not have as they for the most part while protecting the interests of the developer are tuned to provide for the most part for the good of the majority.
Beware what you wish for!
btk
:agree:
Rickg
09-14-2013, 12:46 PM
I choose NOT to think about "what if's"....LIFE is way too short to worry. Things do change...some of which we have NO control over so why worry about it in that case? Just my philosophy!!
Life is even shorter for 55 and over. I agree I'm not going to worry.
Cantwaittoarrive
09-14-2013, 01:40 PM
First there is democracy in TV for example if you live in a section that is in the city of Wildwood you have that government, plus the state government, plus the US government. If your talking about VCDD then that is a form of "control" you agreed to in writing when you bought your home, its really not that much different than HOA or condo control boards in other cities and "subdivision" in the US. I would argue that the larger TV gets the better it is for the residents of TV. The larger TV is the more clout we have collectively. I also think most of the examples you state are a matter of taste and not a good example of things starting to slip for example some of the entertainment I really enjoy some I don't that doesn't mean anyone is cutting cost it just means different people have different taste
Golfingnut
09-14-2013, 01:49 PM
I feel sorry for people like doomsday preppers that worry about things far in the future that they have no control over anyway. So very sad. If you live in The Villages, you are on the very top of the hill so if you worry here, you are a sad case indead.
Carl in Tampa
09-14-2013, 01:52 PM
I have long said that a benevolent dictatorship is an excellent form of government; particularly if I am the dictator.
Absent that, I am comfortable with the "family" continuing to dominate how the development - for that is what this is, their development -- is going. And I don't believe the family is going away. Word is they have already acquired an additional tract of land for further development.
Graciegirl, note that up here in the far northwest end of The Villages, in Marion County, NO YARD ART is legal.
Villages PL
09-14-2013, 04:56 PM
Has anyone considered when The Village's outgrow the population at some point in the future what will happen? How will the potential problems be handled when TV just gets too big? As an example the key government construction is based on the Developers appointments/controls. I don't think anyone questions this. There is little question that at some point there will be a greater demand for a more basic form of a Democratic government. You can see some of the problems starting to pop up. The historic entertainment practices have changed, (e.g. no support for a majority of parades, the entertainment at the squares has become less in talents.) It is also noted that landscaping is not as good as it was and there are a lot more weeds and uncut bushes, etc).It does not take a lot to observe these changes. This may mean there are problems with the current growth and it will just get worse. The question is has anyone thought about this and what if anything is being done to put together plans for the future. Not planning for the future is really outrages as we will get into a reactive mod as opposed to a "proactive mod". Does anyone really think you can act the same way when the growth goes from 10,000 to over 100,000 without a
real form of a democracy? Just think this is something that should be debated.:shrug:
If The Villages is slowly falling apart and gets worse in the future, all you have to do is think positive. Think "charming". Run-down communities take on a certain charm of their own. :1rotfl::D:a20::):icon_wink:;)
Irish Rover
09-14-2013, 05:43 PM
After reading this entire post, I am really glad that I only rent at TV annually. The thing that attracted me 14 years ago was the developer's foresight and all of the amenities offered. I don't think it's as inexpensive as people (frogs) want you to believe but the concept is is terrific. That being said, if I was thinking of retiring and buying at TV I would have serious misgivings after reading this thread. You bought and moved here because of what you saw the developer was offering --------now you want to change things. Too bad, it was a great idea when there were only about 30,000 people but now you are a major city.
Madelaine Amee
09-14-2013, 06:11 PM
Graciegirl, note that up here in the far northwest end of The Villages, in Marion County, NO YARD ART is legal.
I believe Polo Ridge is the only Village allowing yard art. I drive through there every day and yard art is few and far between, but they have some really nice fountains and bird baths. The north end of TV is beautifully kept, have no complaints, plus I don't compare one end to the other, to each his own.:smiley:
njbchbum
09-14-2013, 06:30 PM
After reading this entire post, I am really glad that I only rent at TV annually. The thing that attracted me 14 years ago was the developer's foresight and all of the amenities offered. I don't think it's as inexpensive as people (frogs) want you to believe but the concept is is terrific. That being said, if I was thinking of retiring and buying at TV I would have serious misgivings after reading this thread. You bought and moved here because of what you saw the developer was offering --------now you want to change things. Too bad, it was a great idea when there were only about 30,000 people but now you are a major city.
your post reminds me of the election campaigns my favorite freeholder used to participate in...his first question to his competition went something like why did you move to the county...and the response was always something to do with because they liked it...to which the freeholder would reply then why do you want to change it?...the reply was usually a lot of stammering!
Yorio
09-15-2013, 10:48 AM
I am going to act like Congress kicking the can down the road letting children and grandkids worry about the climate change, economy and war. At 75 and counting, I am just going to enjoy wild pigeons coo and watch the beautiful sun set in the west. Can't make the sun set in east. However, if you are 55 and moving to The Villages, you'll pray the second generation of the Morse's will be caring and loving The Villages as much as we do. Don't bitch and moan for little things and work together with the developer's and be a pragmatist. Be happy for them that they are making money within reason. Eventually The Villages will become a tourist destination if you plan well and this a good thing. Developer will make more money from commercial enterprises so they won't leave. You may even get subsidies from the Tourist Bureau of Florida.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
09-15-2013, 02:18 PM
After reading this a few more times, I'm not sure that I understand the premise that The Villages will outgrow the population. What exactly does that mean?Aren't the Villages and the population one and the same?
As the population grows, the amenities, retail establishments, roads and infrastructure will continue to grow. I don't understand why anyone sees this as a problem. So what if the population of the Villages grew to a million people as long as all the the other things grew as well? How would that affect anyone?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
09-15-2013, 02:38 PM
After reading this entire post, I am really glad that I only rent at TV annually. The thing that attracted me 14 years ago was the developer's foresight and all of the amenities offered. I don't think it's as inexpensive as people (frogs) want you to believe but the concept is is terrific. That being said, if I was thinking of retiring and buying at TV I would have serious misgivings after reading this thread. You bought and moved here because of what you saw the developer was offering --------now you want to change things. Too bad, it was a great idea when there were only about 30,000 people but now you are a major city.
It can be a expensive or as inexpensive as you'd like it to be. There are people who live here that have nothing but social security and they do fine. They probably never leave the compound and their entertainment and recreation is everything here that's included in the amenity fees, but so what? You can live a very nice lifestyle here very inexpensively. There are also people her with million dollar homes who have very extravagant life styles. It's all up to you and what you can afford.
beekman
09-15-2013, 04:07 PM
Gracie, I thought The Villages were America's Friendliest Home Town! It sounds like the South (of 466) is trying to secede from the Union...we could have our own Villages civil war...North versus South! :( I have traveled north to south and east to west and it ALL looks very nice to me. Location is a personal preference and appears to be an obvious bias depending where one lives. It is a shame when we start to designate specific areas to be superior to others. This can and does start to produce cliques which destroys the true friendliness and hospitable nature of the original concept of this great community.
graciegirl
09-15-2013, 05:36 PM
Gracie, I thought The Villages were America's Friendliest Home Town! It sounds like the South (of 466) is trying to secede from the Union...we could have our own Villages civil war...North versus South! :( I have traveled north to south and east to west and it ALL looks very nice to me. Location is a personal preference and appears to be an obvious bias depending where one lives. It is a shame when we start to designate specific areas to be superior to others. This can and does start to produce cliques which destroys the true friendliness and hospitable nature of the original concept of this great community.
OH my GOODNESS. What have I done!!! I haven't read this thread for awhile. I by no means think the south is superior at all to the north. We played golf today way northwest and were saying how very beautiful the area is. People are so proud of the homes and take such good care of them and the plants and trees are mature and beautiful in the sections that have been here for more the seven or eight or ten or 12 or 20 years, in fact the older the prettier the plantings are. No one would be able to tell new from old here very easily if they drove around.
I did not mean one side was superior to the other at all. I like MORE deed restrictions and some people like less but no area is better than any other. If I made people think that I will never be able to apologize enough. I know we don't vote on anything south of 466 and that is just fine with me. I like the way things are run.
Now I will have to go back and reread this thread and see what damage I have done. Me and my big mouth.
I am so sorry for this.
Villages PL
09-15-2013, 05:42 PM
It was stated that no one knows what the church on the square will look like when completed. That may be true but in order to start construction, plans had to be approved by the county and those plans are on record with the county. Anyone, for a small fee, can get a copy of those plans. But I think I'll just wait for construction to be completed and be surprised. Maybe that's what the developer wants, for everyone to be surprised. :thumbup:
buzzy
09-15-2013, 07:47 PM
I think this issue is a lot more complicated than people are seeing it, and the OP may be justifiably concerned. The differences between the old and new sections are not so much the quality of homes and amenities, but differences in demographics. Let’s assume, just for illustration, that most folks retire at around age 62. So the population north of 441 would be in their 90’s, north of 466 in their 80’s, between 466 and 466a would be in their 70’s, and south of 466a would be in their 60’s. Now, when all the new homes are bought, only resales will be available. As the oldest population expires, the bulk of the resales will be in the northern villages. On the other hand, the bulk of the new retirees will be baby boomers in their 60’s. So, are these new retirees, say over the next decade, going to be happy moving into older homes that are surrounded by people 20-30 years older? And, if they choose to pass on The Villages for that reason, what will happen to all those homes for sale in the older sections?
I have seen this, on a much smaller scale, in our south FL condo. When the last survivor passes on, the heirs dump the unit for half its value. The next owners are either young divorcees, or landlords, who do not give a hoot about maintaining the place. When we finally retired, we ended up being the youngest retirees, in our mid 60’s. Thank goodness that we discovered The Villages.
Now, you could argue that it can’t happen here, and I hope that it’s true. But elements of this scenario are almost unavoidable, over the long run.
donb9006
09-15-2013, 08:49 PM
Many young people are buying in the older sections.
Mikeod
09-15-2013, 08:55 PM
Many young people are buying in the older sections.
And vice versa. Our neighborhood south of 466 has people in their 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and someone 90. It's a nice mix of people and we have a thriving social club that everyone enjoys. So I think the scenario above is an oversimplification.
PennBF
09-15-2013, 10:25 PM
A concern I have is the small changes currently taking place and how do they may point to the future? When I say changes. Since we moved to The Villages a few years ago the entertainment controls have been moved to a person in Orlando who has no real anchor in The Villages. Then the arbitrary cancelling of the parades without any avenue for the thousands who had participated and the thousands who enjoyed them having any power to turn the decision around. There has been a minimum of authorizations passed on to the organizers but just enough to put the fear in that if they complained they could lose all. Then as you ride around in your cart you can see the small changes in keeping the landscaping up, (e.g. lack of punctual trimming of the bushes and weeding, etc.). All of this led up to the ultimate recognition of what can happen by the building of a wall that was so unpopular and disliked that only through the threats of lawsuits, petitions, etc. was it taken down. These actions prompt the thought that if these can happen what may be waiting in the future with no plans. Who is pulling the strings and why are they pulling these. We continue to love The Villages and have no intention of leaving and have faith that somehow there will be corrections to these misses. :ho:
justjim
09-15-2013, 10:57 PM
OH my GOODNESS. What have I done!!! I haven't read this thread for awhile. I by no means think the south is superior at all to the north. We played golf today way northwest and were saying how very beautiful the area is. People are so proud of the homes and take such good care of them and the plants and trees are mature and beautiful in the sections that have been here for more the seven or eight or ten or 12 or 20 years, in fact the older the prettier the plantings are. No one would be able to tell new from old here very easily if they drove around.
I did not mean one side was superior to the other at all. I like MORE deed restrictions and some people like less but no area is better than any other. If I made people think that I will never be able to apologize enough. I know we don't vote on anything south of 466 and that is just fine with me. I like the way things are run.
Now I will have to go back and reread this thread and see what damage I have done. Me and my big mouth.
I am so sorry for this.
Gracie: I read your post and I did not get a message from it that you thought that us folks residing south of 466 were superior to those living north of 466. Not at all!! Hey, those north TVer's have lots of money to maintain and improve their quality of life. The new improved Trails are a good example, however, we can all enjoy them no matter where you live in TV.
I do think previous comments for the need for better communications from the Developer is valid for the reasons given. I would be among the first to defend the rights of a private enterprise who assumes "risk" to reap the rewards of such "risk"---that's what makes America great.
However, I see additional transparently as a mutual benefit for both the Developer and the residents of TV. Perhaps there are times when its best to hold your "cards close to your chest" until it's time to play them----that too is understood in a private enterprise situation. It's smooth sailing when the Captain and the crew work together to sail the ship into port.
Golfingnut
09-16-2013, 03:11 AM
Gracie, I thought The Villages were America's Friendliest Home Town! It sounds like the South (of 466) is trying to secede from the Union...we could have our own Villages civil war...North versus South! :( I have traveled north to south and east to west and it ALL looks very nice to me. Location is a personal preference and appears to be an obvious bias depending where one lives. It is a shame when we start to designate specific areas to be superior to others. This can and does start to produce cliques which destroys the true friendliness and hospitable nature of the original concept of this great community.
You misunderstood. You can find many threads documenting that what village you live in or what kind of home you live in has NO bearing on how you are treated or thought of. I have been asked where I live and feel confident that is just simple small talk and has nothing to do with putting me into a class. What you say applies to everyone in the real world, but not here. We in The Villages may very well judge our neighbors on their character but not on the color or location of their home. CLIQUES or interest groups are mandatory in a community of 100,000 people. Since you cannot go to dinner with or have 100,000 folks oner for games at your house, I strongly recommend you form smaller groups of those that like the same kind of food or game that you do. Broaden your taste and interests and we all will find our own niche or group or clique.
mickey100
09-16-2013, 05:45 AM
A concern I have is the small changes currently taking place and how do they may point to the future? When I say changes. Since we moved to The Villages a few years ago the entertainment controls have been moved to a person in Orlando who has no real anchor in The Villages. Then the arbitrary cancelling of the parades without any avenue for the thousands who had participated and the thousands who enjoyed them having any power to turn the decision around. There has been a minimum of authorizations passed on to the organizers but just enough to put the fear in that if they complained they could lose all. Then as you ride around in your cart you can see the small changes in keeping the landscaping up, (e.g. lack of punctual trimming of the bushes and weeding, etc.). All of this led up to the ultimate recognition of what can happen by the building of a wall that was so unpopular and disliked that only through the threats of lawsuits, petitions, etc. was it taken down. These actions prompt the thought that if these can happen what may be waiting in the future with no plans. Who is pulling the strings and why are they pulling these. We continue to love The Villages and have no intention of leaving and have faith that somehow there will be corrections to these misses. :ho:
We have observed these changes as well, and it makes us concerned.
Madelaine Amee
09-16-2013, 06:28 AM
We have observed these changes as well, and it makes us concerned.
We all purchased a piece of land and a house, the roads are owned and maintained by the local county in which you live and that is all there is to it. The need to know everything that is going on behind the scenes has never been a problem for us - we accept the fact that we will never be privy to what is going on in The Villages Boardroom, nor should we be. The family owes us nothing, we came of our own accord and we will leave when we don't like what is happening.
I hardly think people would be building million dollar homes here if they foresaw a problem in the future.
It's been a long hot summer, which hopefully will end real soon and then we can all find something else to worry about .....
Bay Kid
09-16-2013, 06:37 AM
TV is still thousands of times better than many places we could be!!!
Golfingnut
09-16-2013, 06:38 AM
We all purchased a piece of land and a house, the roads are owned and maintained by the local county in which you live and that is all there is to it. The need to know everything that is going on behind the scenes has never been a problem for us - we accept the fact that we will never be privy to what is going on in The Villages Boardroom, nor should we be. The family owes us nothing, we came of our own accord and we will leave when we don't like what is happening.
I hardly think people would be building million dollar homes here if they foresaw a problem in the future.
It's been a long hot summer, which hopefully will end real soon .............
You are correct. Only a few worry a out this.
senior citizen
09-16-2013, 06:49 AM
It can be a expensive or as inexpensive as you'd like it to be. There are people who live here that have nothing but social security and they do fine. They probably never leave the compound and their entertainment and recreation is everything here that's included in the amenity fees, but so what? You can live a very nice lifestyle here very inexpensively. There are also people her with million dollar homes who have very extravagant life styles. It's all up to you and what you can afford.
Very well said. Intelligent succinct post.
And, there are some who are much older than 55 (or the younger set in their 40's)
These elders are content with a simple existence, pursuing their own artistic endeavors and probably NOT interested in dancing in the squares or frequenting the pubs (nice word for bars)....or picking up dates.
Not everyone needs to have a "new lifestyle"......just enjoy the life they've already made for themselves and their families.
Plus, some with the million dollar budgets are actually frugal....or they never would have amassed the wealth they do have. Different strokes for different folks........some prefer the simple life. Would that mean they should not live in THE VILLAGES?
We found THE VILLAGES very very very attractive to look at and we enjoyed the way their "zoning" achieved that look of beauty, not to mention we truly appreciated all of the "services" which are convenient to every village location. Can't top the location of various daily "needs".
We are not used to the density, however, the way it was laid out, probably no need to even venture into other areas.........unless one wanted to.
Truly a great thanks should go to the developer........one of a kind community, that's for sure. However, as my other post of earlier does mention, there are larger homes on larger properties outside of The Villages.......so one has to weigh the apples vs. the oranges.
graciegirl
09-16-2013, 06:53 AM
Very well said. Intelligent succinct post.
And, there are some who are much older than 55 (or the younger set in their 40's)
These elders are content with a simple existence, pursuing their own artistic endeavors and probably NOT interested in dancing in the squares or frequenting the pubs (nice word for bars)....or picking up dates.
Not everyone needs to have a "new lifestyle"......just enjoy the life they've already made for themselves and their families.
Plus, some with the million dollar budgets are actually frugal....or they never would have amassed the wealth they do have. Different strokes for different folks........some prefer the simple life. Would that mean they should not live in THE VILLAGES?
We found THE VILLAGES very very very attractive to look at and we enjoyed the way their "zoning" achieved that look of beauty, not to mention we truly appreciated all of the "services" which are convenient to every village location. Can't top the location of various daily "needs".
We are not used to the density, however, the way it was laid out, probably no need to even venture into other areas.........unless one wanted to.
Truly a great thanks should go to the developer........one of a kind community, that's for sure. However, as my other post of earlier does mention, there are larger homes on larger properties outside of The Villages.......so one has to weigh the apples vs. the oranges.
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Bogie Shooter
09-16-2013, 07:37 AM
I think this issue is a lot more complicated than people are seeing it, and the OP may be justifiably concerned. The differences between the old and new sections are not so much the quality of homes and amenities, but differences in demographics. Let�s assume, just for illustration, that most folks retire at around age 62. So the population north of 441 would be in their 90�s, north of 466 in their 80�s, between 466 and 466a would be in their 70�s, and south of 466a would be in their 60�s. Now, when all the new homes are bought, only resales will be available. As the oldest population expires, the bulk of the resales will be in the northern villages. On the other hand, the bulk of the new retirees will be baby boomers in their 60�s. So, are these new retirees, say over the next decade, going to be happy moving into older homes that are surrounded by people 20-30 years older? And, if they choose to pass on The Villages for that reason, what will happen to all those homes for sale in the older sections?
I have seen this, on a much smaller scale, in our south FL condo. When the last survivor passes on, the heirs dump the unit for half its value. The next owners are either young divorcees, or landlords, who do not give a hoot about maintaining the place. When we finally retired, we ended up being the youngest retirees, in our mid 60�s. Thank goodness that we discovered The Villages.
Now, you could argue that it can�t happen here, and I hope that it�s true. But elements of this scenario are almost unavoidable, over the long run.
So, the solution is?
Bogie Shooter
09-16-2013, 07:52 AM
Has anyone considered when The Village's outgrow the population at some point in the future what will happen? How will the potential problems be handled when TV just gets too big? As an example the key government construction is based on the Developers appointments/controls. I don't think anyone questions this. There is little question that at some point there will be a greater demand for a more basic form of a Democratic government. You can see some of the problems starting to pop up. The historic entertainment practices have changed, (e.g. no support for a majority of parades, the entertainment at the squares has become less in talents.) It is also noted that landscaping is not as good as it was and there are a lot more weeds and uncut bushes, etc).It does not take a lot to observe these changes. This may mean there are problems with the current growth and it will just get worse. The question is has anyone thought about this and what if anything is being done to put together plans for the future. Not planning for the future is really outrages as we will get into a reactive mod as opposed to a "proactive mod". Does anyone really think you can act the same way when the growth goes from 10,000 to over 100,000 without a
real form of a democracy? Just think this is something that should be debated.:shrug:
I too don't understand "The Village's outgrow the population".
To better understand the form of government now and in the future, read the explanation as presented in the Village Voice September 2013 The Villages Voice (http://www.thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=58&article=1306).
Saying that the entertainment at the squares has become less talanted, is just an opinion/preference. How many talant evaluators actually live in TV? And of those how many come and post on TOTV?
As to noting uncut bushes and weeds.............I have read posts in the past of just such observations and were disputed by the next poster. Isn't it just a timing thing? I don't see uncut bushes and weeds growing uncontrolled.
You state we need "a real form of democracy". Could you explain that form and show how it would work...........better?
Madelaine Amee
09-16-2013, 08:11 AM
I think this issue is a lot more complicated than people are seeing it, and the OP may be justifiably concerned. The differences between the old and new sections are not so much the quality of homes and amenities, but differences in demographics. Let�s assume, just for illustration, that most folks retire at around age 62. So the population north of 441 would be in their 90�s, north of 466 in their 80�s, between 466 and 466a would be in their 70�s, and south of 466a would be in their 60�s. Now, when all the new homes are bought, only resales will be available. As the oldest population expires, the bulk of the resales will be in the northern villages. On the other hand, the bulk of the new retirees will be baby boomers in their 60�s. So, are these new retirees, say over the next decade, going to be happy moving into older homes that are surrounded by people 20-30 years older? And, if they choose to pass on The Villages for that reason, what will happen to all those homes for sale in the older sections?
I have seen this, on a much smaller scale, in our south FL condo. When the last survivor passes on, the heirs dump the unit for half its value. The next owners are either young divorcees, or landlords, who do not give a hoot about maintaining the place. When we finally retired, we ended up being the youngest retirees, in our mid 60�s. Thank goodness that we discovered The Villages.
Now, you could argue that it can�t happen here, and I hope that it�s true. But elements of this scenario are almost unavoidable, over the long run.
I see things in a very black/white way, and I see no validity in your comments. You are comparing a community of this size to a condo in South Florida - cannot possibly be a viable comparison. IMHO you would be better off equating our situation here with the residential areas we probably all moved from, where people moved out of their homes to retire or downsize, or they passed on, and new younger people moved into the neighborhood. The new young people moving into our older homes brought modern ideas with them and updated our homes.
The first home we purchased right after getting married was in a suburb of Boston and needed updating, I had a very elderly neighbor on one side and a 60+ neighbor on the other, over time the older residents moved out and young people bought in, and when we were ready to retire a very young couple purchased our home. It's the continuation of life and community, without which communities would cease to exist.
buzzy
09-16-2013, 09:10 AM
I see things in a very black/white way, and I see no validity in your comments. You are comparing a community of this size to a condo in South Florida - cannot possibly be a viable comparison. IMHO you would be better off equating our situation here with the residential areas we probably all moved from, where people moved out of their homes to retire or downsize, or they passed on, and new younger people moved into the neighborhood. The new young people moving into our older homes brought modern ideas with them and updated our homes.
The first home we purchased right after getting married was in a suburb of Boston and needed updating, I had a very elderly neighbor on one side and a 60+ neighbor on the other, over time the older residents moved out and young people bought in, and when we were ready to retire a very young couple purchased our home. It's the continuation of life and community, without which communities would cease to exist.
Perhaps I should have left out the condo example. Your example is equally unsuitable. Young people are not moving into over 55 retirement communities. I am only suggesting that there could be a subtle long-term shift in the population which could have a negative effect on the lifestyle.
PennBF
09-16-2013, 09:34 AM
I can only state what I believe but I can't help you understand it. The biggest dangers are denial's and not caring. Historically that has always been the dangers of loss and failures. It is interesting how many go to denial or rationalize why it should just be ignored as someone else will handle it and/or it will go away. Most of us are 60+ and just want to kick back and enjoy ourselves and let the next ones handle the potential problems. In the current responses you can see that attitude in the majority of them. With luck and a little care most may make it to the final call and not have to think or worry about it. How do you look at some of the bushes that are now not trimmed until they look shabby, or look at the weeds growing where they never use to grow, or take your chairs to the squares to see the parades only to find out they are not there, etc. There are only a few ways to psychologically handle this. Either accept mediocrity, lower ones standards, denial, + others that don't quickly come to mind. If you say none of this is true you may be in denial, if you say it isn't that bad you may be accepting mediocrity or lowering standards. :thumbup:
graciegirl
09-16-2013, 09:38 AM
I can only state what I believe but I can't help you understand it. The biggest dangers are denial's and not caring. Historically that has always been the dangers of loss and failures. It is interesting how many go to denial or rationalize why it should just be ignored as someone else will handle it and/or it will go away. Most of us are 60+ and just want to kick back and
enjoy ourselves and let the next ones handle the potential problems. In the current responses you can see that attitude in the majority of them. With luck and a little care most may make it to the final call and not have to think or worry about it.
How do you look at some of the bushes that are now not trimmed until they look shabby, or look at the weeds growing where they never use to grow,I look at it as the fast growing season with all of the rain right now.
or take your chairs to the squares to see the parades only to find out they are not there, etc. There are only a few ways to psychologically handle this. We had a poll on here about parades and the posters on this forum who may or may not represent the populace did not miss the parades by a majority.
Either accept mediocrity, lower ones standards, denial, + others that don't
quickly come to mind. If you say none of this is true you may be in denial,
if you say it isn't that bad you may be accepting mediocrity or lowering standards. :thumbup:
Penn.
If we accepted every one of the things you are worrying about as gospel, there is STILL not a danged thing we can do about it.
We can meet, we can organize, we can discuss, we can cuss, we can vent. We are not going to make the developers tell us what they are doing, or plan to do and believe me, if I were them, I would keep my cards close to my vest too. We all are retired and we most of us have been successful, we are confident that we know how things should be done.
We have too many wannabe chiefs and not enough politically correct followers.
If it ain't broke, WHY worry about fixing it?
Between now and the worried about downhill turn, many may be having huge personal changes in our lives. We may meet with flood, disaster, winds, locusts, or plagues. And many may be moving to the village of Heavenly.
What exactly do you think is the way to fix what you are worried about? If YOU were the ultimate decision maker in The Villages and had a magic wand, what exactly would you do? Hire more trimmers? Hire a parade planning and presentation company? Would you have an HOA that ran things with representatives from each street?
Madelaine Amee
09-16-2013, 09:39 AM
Perhaps I should have left out the condo example. Your example is equally unsuitable. Young people are not moving into over 55 retirement communities. I am only suggesting that there could be a subtle long-term shift in the population which could have a negative effect on the lifestyle.
Young people are indeed moving into TV. We have a 46 year old in our neighborhood and to me, that's young enough to keep a community going.
njbchbum
09-16-2013, 09:40 AM
pennbf -
what is wrong with 'accepting mediocrity or lowering standards'? do you think that everyone must consistently strive for perfection or at the least - more than mediocrity?
jannd228
09-16-2013, 10:07 AM
I think the OP is trying to say what happens when TV is “all built out”? I understand it is a 55 Plus Community, but I assume many have heard of “straw buyers”, people who purchase a home on paper but are not the actual owners. I am not sure what FL is like but here on Cape Cod this happens all the time.
The OP maybe right, suppose the homes are sold at a lower price, or left vacant for long periods of time for whatever reason? Cape Cod is the REVERSE season of TV. Each neighborhood developed its own security system (not what you think) to let neighbors and law enforcement know about when an owner was not present for long periods of time. Yes there are home watch services, but what happens when real estate agents purchase homes for rental purposes only?
PennBF
09-16-2013, 10:20 AM
It is interesting to note acceptance of mediocrity, denial and so what. Pretty standard fare. Even in one case the person did not want a democracy. Now that is thinking out of the box. It appears that outside of the POA there is not much interest in protecting the status quo. I did the statistics and I think I have a good chance of beating the loss of services and values. :ho:
graciegirl
09-16-2013, 10:21 AM
It is interesting to note acceptance of mediocrity, denial and so what. Pretty standard fare. Even in one case the person did not want a democracy. Now that is thinking out of the box. It appears that outside of the POA there is not much interest in protecting the status quo. I did the statistics and I think I have a good chance of beating the loss of services and values. :ho:
Could you explain this post? What is mediocre? What is becoming mediocre? Who is in denial. This place is MUCH more efficiently run than any place I have EVER seen.
I ask you again, WHAT would you change and how EXACTLY would you change it?
buzzy
09-16-2013, 10:23 AM
Our biggest problem is apathy, but nobody cares.
kittygilchrist
09-16-2013, 10:51 AM
I just got here and have been thru a period of extreme angst for personal reasons. I'm letting go of as much worry about what is not happening as I can....
Kitty "what me worry" in Gilchrist..
Now is good...
Golfingnut
09-16-2013, 10:55 AM
This thread is silly. We live in paradise and some worry about nothing. Keep in mind that after build out ther will be more money for improvement than we have now. Someone help me understand why anyone would live here with all the impending doom looming over us. I believe any doom will hapen to the rest of the country a few days before it hits The Villages.
Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz
perrjojo
09-16-2013, 10:56 AM
I think the OP is trying to say what happens when TV is �all built out�? I understand it is a 55 Plus Community, but I assume many have heard of �straw buyers�, people who purchase a home on paper but are not the actual owners. I am not sure what FL is like but here on Cape Cod this happens all the time.
The OP maybe right, suppose the homes are sold at a lower price, or left vacant for long periods of time for whatever reason? Cape Cod is the REVERSE season of TV. Each neighborhood developed its own security system (not what you think) to let neighbors and law enforcement know about when an owner was not present for long periods of time. Yes there are home watch services, but what happens when real estate agents purchase homes for rental purposes only?
This could happen in ANY neighborhood. Yes, I have seen changes in TV in the past 12 years but life is not static. There will always be change. Some changes are good; some not. None of us have a crystal ball. :posting:
PennBF
09-16-2013, 11:44 AM
I am bowing out of this discussion. If someone is happy, content and having fun there is no way in heck I would want to impact that, not that I have any control over another's view.
There was an old adage where 3 monkey's (no pun meant) were given blind folds and after touching an elephants leg were asked what they just felt and each had a very different impression. This is similar as just reading through some of the answers you can see many have different views of the same conditions. It would be a terrible act to write and change the view of someone who is happy and content. Given this I am withdrawing as the last thing I would ever want to do is take away the joy someone is having in their life. The original intent was to stimulate some thought of the future but it has taken on a different life of its own and that was not my intent.:ho:
bennete2
09-16-2013, 12:28 PM
I have been watching The Villages grow for 7 years.
This year with the assistance of a man I love very much we made the plunge!
I for one attempt to look at ecverything in a positive way. I attempt not to be negative.
The Morse family has turned farming land into a fantastic invenstment for them, a dream come true for others. Please look around and tell me if there is another community in the U.S. like this. We are all adults who are probably over 55..........we have come here to enjoy the life we have all dremed of. Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Dancing, summer time with our grandchildren and activites to be enjoyed by all, over 1,000 different organizations that a person can belong to. There are all sorts of medical facilities, we are looking to enjoy our golden years.
If the prediction is correct 2016 all lots and homes will be sold..............but OMG.......resales will be there for the public to see, bid, and purchase. I personally see the real estate value going up on our purchases.
Think POSITIVE..............many people from all walks of life to keep The Villages as a # 1 Retirement area to live in!
Thanks for reading my comments :-)
Golfingnut
09-16-2013, 01:35 PM
I have been watching The Villages grow for 7 years.
This year with the assistance of a man I love very much we made the plunge!
I for one attempt to look at ecverything in a positive way. I attempt not to be negative.
The Morse family has turned farming land into a fantastic invenstment for them, a dream come true for others. Please look around and tell me if there is another community in the U.S. like this. We are all adults who are probably over 55..........we have come here to enjoy the life we have all dremed of. Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Dancing, summer time with our grandchildren and activites to be enjoyed by all, over 1,000 different organizations that a person can belong to. There are all sorts of medical facilities, we are looking to enjoy our golden years.
If the prediction is correct 2016 all lots and homes will be sold..............but OMG.......resales will be there for the public to see, bid, and purchase. I personally see the real estate value going up on our purchases.
Think POSITIVE..............many people from all walks of life to keep The Villages as a # 1 Retirement area to live in!
Thanks for reading my comments :-)
And you are so right. It is only a few that see The Villages glass as half full. God only knows why some wish to pee in our wheaties. We have been here almost 4 years and our only regret is that we did not come quicker. Like most VILLAGERS, we are in the last chapters of our life and I refuse to let the depression of the few put a damper on what I see as the best days I have and they are in this wonderful place. Please enjoy and pay no attention to the nay Sayers.
njbchbum
09-16-2013, 02:22 PM
sorry to see pennbf bail on the thread without having answered questions some of us posed. guess we'll never know their definition of 'mediocre' for one. oh, well.
rubicon
09-16-2013, 03:00 PM
Oh you villagers of little faith I Carnac the Magnificent can answer "when The Village's outgrow the population at some time in the future what will happen? Ed hand me the envelope. Carnac predicts there will be ample available tee times, ample rec centers, ample grocery stores, ample restaurants,
Now the truth of it is no one knows because no one on this thread has sufficient data to make that determination. such as what is the composite of the population as to age, status, health, morbidity, etc. I know there are people who do not live in The Villages but have bought a number of homes to rent out and renters motivations and concerns regarding The Villages are different than full time or seasonal resident owners.
I doubt one can say the past is prologue to the future of The Villages but based on its history to date The Villages continues to grow and thrive
Golfingnut
09-16-2013, 03:08 PM
Oh you villagers of little faith I Carnac the Magnificent can answer "when The Village's outgrow the population at some time in the future what will happen? Ed hand me the envelope. Carnac predicts there will be ample available tee times, ample rec centers, ample grocery stores, ample restaurants,
Now the truth of it is no one knows because no one on this thread has sufficient data to make that determination. such as what is the composite of the population as to age, status, health, morbidity, etc. I know there are people who do not live in The Villages but have bought a number of homes to rent out and renters motivations and concerns regarding The Villages are different than full time or seasonal resident owners.
I doubt one can say the past is prologue to the future of The Villages but based on its history to date The Villages continues to grow and thrive
I wanted just to bump this post as, what could be added. Thank you for saying what I want to say, without the talent to do so.
:MOJE_whot::BigApplause:
Bogie Shooter
09-16-2013, 03:58 PM
OP never came back and defended the wild statements that he made in the first post. If you are going to rattle the bushes, you have to come back and defend the hearsay that was posted.
Villages PL
09-16-2013, 04:33 PM
Has anyone considered when The Village's outgrow the population at some point in the future what will happen? How will the potential problems be handled when TV just gets too big? As an example the key government construction is based on the Developers appointments/controls. I don't think anyone questions this. There is little question that at some point there will be a greater demand for a more basic form of a Democratic government. You can see some of the problems starting to pop up. The historic entertainment practices have changed, (e.g. no support for a majority of parades, the entertainment at the squares has become less in talents.) It is also noted that landscaping is not as good as it was and there are a lot more weeds and uncut bushes, etc).It does not take a lot to observe these changes. This may mean there are problems with the current growth and it will just get worse. The question is has anyone thought about this and what if anything is being done to put together plans for the future. Not planning for the future is really outrages as we will get into a reactive mod as opposed to a "proactive mod". Does anyone really think you can act the same way when the growth goes from 10,000 to over 100,000 without a
real form of a democracy? Just think this is something that should be debated.:shrug:
I think we do have a real form of democracy. We get to vote for someone who will supervise our district. Before the voting starts, each candidate is covered by the Daily Sun. Each one describes their philosophy and tells what they hope to accomplish if they win. What's wrong with that?
PennBF
09-16-2013, 06:12 PM
I know I said I was bowing out and I am but not before one last statement. There is no question The Villages are the best place in the world to retire. We have already convinced at least 4 other people to move here. There is no question it has almost everything anyone would want and it's the results of creative thoughts of Mr. Swartz and his sweat and tears that put it here. Having said this it does not mean it is an excuse to go "brain dead" and allow dementia to sneak up because you stopped using your brain. Thinking about the future and how to keep what is already here is not a threat but rather an opportunity. Unfortunately some go overboard being afraid of the future and go into the fetal position when it is mentioned. Given that it is hard to communicate when there is fear of the future I have elected to bow out of the discussion and continue to think and use the mind for what it is meant to be.:ho:
Barefoot
09-16-2013, 06:35 PM
Having said this it does not mean it is an excuse to go "brain dead" and allow dementia to sneak up because you stopped using your brain. Thinking about the future and how to keep what is already here is not a threat but rather an opportunity. Unfortunately some go overboard being afraid of the future and go into the fetal position when it is mentioned.
Just because people don't agree with your point of view, it does not mean they are brain dead. I fear you have just insulted a lot of really fine people.
Madelaine Amee
09-16-2013, 08:26 PM
Just because people don't agree with your point of view, it does not mean they are brain dead. I fear you have just insulted a lot of really fine people.
Thank you Bare --- how very rude of this person to think that his opinion is the only correct way of looking at things ................ not very democratic for someone looking for democracy, and it certainly does not encourage debate! It's more like "my way or the highway" type of thinking which never goes over too well with smart women.
PennBF
09-16-2013, 09:22 PM
The intent was to say that all should never stop using their brain. If that is an insult I apologize. I guess it is just hard to communicate at times. :shocked:
Golfingnut
09-17-2013, 03:44 AM
The intent was to say that all should never stop using their brain. If that is an insult I apologize. I guess it is just hard to communicate at times. :shocked:
:wave:
Hi penn.
Please read this post by Rubicon. This is so very clear.
"Now the truth of it is no one knows because no one on this thread has sufficient data to make that determination. such as what is the composite of the population as to age, status, health, morbidity, etc. I know there are people who do not live in The Villages but have bought a number of homes to rent out and renters motivations and concerns regarding The Villages are different than full time or seasonal resident owners.
I doubt one can say the past is prologue to the future of The Villages but based on its history to date The Villages continues to grow and thrive."
graciegirl
09-17-2013, 06:51 AM
Penn.
I could not quite understand from your posts WHAT you were worried about and WHAT might be done to allay your worries? How can we plan if we don't know what to plan for. I like the CDD way of running things. We all knew when we moved here it was not a place where we could have input as to how things are run.
You mentioned the parades and you mentioned the plantings not being trimmed properly.
If the developer leaves us, we will then have cause to worry.
Most of us in our life cycle are in the second half, some the fourth quarter and a few are rounding third and heading home.
Many would like to leave a little something for the kids and some hope their last dollar and their last breath is spent at the same time.
I hate to put a time amount on this...but for the foreseeable future, things appear to be o.k. If we were twenty something, than by glory we should be worried about what was gonna happen twenty, thirty years down the road.
bkcunningham1
09-17-2013, 07:04 AM
The intent of the form of government that started all of TV is to eventually turn over the government to the residents. That is why the historic area where I live is under the governance of Lady Lake and the representatives are elected. It isn't just the intent, it is dictated by Florida statute, Chapter 190.
PennBF
09-17-2013, 08:58 AM
Nothing that I know of remains static or stands still. Everything changes over time. I don't know of a large successful Corporation that does not have someone looking forward over time which is sometimes called 5 year plans.
I am truly surprised this suggestion was taken the way it was and apologize for creating such anger. The message was convoluted and the messenger was shot. Time to move on. Time for the moderator to cancel the thread. :mornincoffee:
llaran
09-17-2013, 10:54 AM
The newer area's are better kept because they are still selling; some new people have never been as far as Spanish Springs or across 441 to the "old" side. can see the changes; orange blossom resturant closed, El Santiago resturant closed, church on the square and beautiful courtyard next door.
the developer owns all the squares and the 18 hole golf courses, any could be sold at any time.
senior citizen
09-17-2013, 10:58 AM
The Villages has an excellent marketing department, which is a primary reason for their phenomenal success. They have sent out copious amounts of literature, videos, floor plans, maps and so on and so forth........
No other development can afford do that , nor has the inclination to do that.
Just try requesting information from other 55+ communities.
Like the old saying, "If you build it, they will come"......their success has been word of mouth praise from very happy consumers. It is absolutely amazing how many people in Vermont have heard of THE VILLAGES.
It runs akin to "Disney World" as far as name recognition.
Even to people who have never been there.
I have no doubt that THE VILLAGES will survive........whereby so many other start up communities fell by the wayside during the last recession.
In other parts of Florida, coast to coast, beautiful homes are out there for the buying.......but the rest of the street is spotted with weedy lots and murky pool water in the abandoned homes.
So many foreclosures and short sales, all over Florida ........if one just is looking for a dwelling to purchase..........but one has to think of their surroundings as well.
As I said the other day, TV has excellent zoning and a beautiful total community.......no matter which village one ends up in. All tastefully done.
Bogie Shooter
09-17-2013, 11:39 AM
The newer area's are better kept because they are still selling; some new people have never been as far as Spanish Springs or across 441 to the "old" side. can see the changes; orange blossom resturant closed, El Santiago resturant closed, church on the square and beautiful courtyard next door.
the developer owns all the squares and the 18 hole golf courses, any could be sold at any time.
I don't agree.
graciegirl
09-17-2013, 02:43 PM
The newer area's are better kept because they are still selling; some new people have never been as far as Spanish Springs or across 441 to the "old" side. can see the changes; orange blossom resturant closed, El Santiago resturant closed, church on the square and beautiful courtyard next door.
the developer owns all the squares and the 18 hole golf courses, any could be sold at any time.
Correct me if I am wrong on this. The newer parts were not involved in the lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happened to them.
Orange Blossom restaurant closed, not because the developer closed it but because the restauranteur failed to renew the lease. I am sure that it is available to rent. Church on the square is being enlarged to make it a bigger venue for musical entertainment. None of this was done to people...it is evolving. Church on the Square was always a venue for music performance, it will be bigger now. We are a bigger city now.
AND you are so right. Things like golf courses could be sold. But it seems like they are thriving businesses.
I hope the developer does not ever pull out and the residents run this place. What a mess it would be.
bkcunningham1
09-17-2013, 03:23 PM
Correct me if I am wrong on this. The newer parts were not involved in the lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happened to them.
Orange Blossom restaurant closed, not because the developer closed it but because the restauranteur failed to renew the lease. I am sure that it is available to rent. Church on the square is being enlarged to make it a bigger venue for musical entertainment. None of this was done to people...it is evolving. Church on the Square was always a venue for music performance, it will be bigger now. We are a bigger city now.
AND you are so right. Things like golf courses could be sold. But it seems like they are thriving businesses.
I hope the developer does not ever pull out and the residents run this place. What a mess it would be.
Gracie, are you referring to the class action lawsuit regarding the mold at Paradise Recreation Center and the amenities monies? That involved The Villages of Lake-Sumter Inc., the Village Center Community Development District and developer H. Gary Morse.
What are you talking about when you say a lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happens to them? That is a new on to me. Do say? Say more, please.
janmcn
09-17-2013, 03:53 PM
The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.
Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.
graciegirl
09-17-2013, 04:20 PM
The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.
Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.
Explain to me how closing restaurants benefit the owners of the buildings? It sounds like you mean it was done as a nasty act. It appears to me that the people who were renting didn't renew the lease. How do you see it, Janmcn?
From DAY one the Church on the Square was a musical venue. A church congregation used it for a year or so but since then it has only had one non denominational service per week with changing speakers and no other church activities. It was part of the "Look" of a Spanish town created by the developers with the help of their Disney advisors. We talked about this before on this forum and someone posted a link to a Presbyterian or Episcopal Church using the facility for a time at the beginning.
graciegirl
09-17-2013, 04:24 PM
Gracie, are you referring to the class action lawsuit regarding the mold at Paradise Recreation Center and the amenities monies? That involved The Villages of Lake-Sumter Inc., the Village Center Community Development District and developer H. Gary Morse.
What are you talking about when you say a lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happens to them? That is a new on to me. Do say? Say more, please.
I don't know BK. I was under the impression that was when it was set up for that part of The Villages to vote for representatives that now have some part in the decision making. Remember all of that hoopla about signs north of 466 and the elected folks were going to vote yes or no about having for sale signs or political signs? We don't vote on anything in our part of town. So I don't know.
Bucco
09-17-2013, 04:25 PM
The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.
Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.
I have a question for anyone, and if it has been already asked and answered I am sorry, and if it is dumb, I apologize.
How long must the developers family stay here and keep it all going...is there some sort of time line that folks expected when they moved here...are they stuck here until all members of the family dies...or can they sell what they own and move on, without having the ruination of life itself blamed on them ?
Villages PL
09-17-2013, 04:26 PM
The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.
Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.
If I'm not mistaken, all those places are private businesses, so we have no right to them. If they make money they stay, otherwise they go or get changed into something else.
janmcn
09-17-2013, 04:51 PM
Explain to me how closing restaurants benefit the owners of the buildings? It sounds like you mean it was done as a nasty act. It appears to me that the people who were renting didn't renew the lease. How do you see it, Janmcn?
From DAY one the Church on the Square was a musical venue. A church congregation used it for a year or so but since then it has only had one non denominational service per week with changing speakers and no other church activities. It was part of the "Look" of a Spanish town created by the developers.
When the businesses fail or close for whatever reason, the developer then sells the property to the CDD for an exorborant amount. What did the residents just pay for the Santiago building? Somewhere around $300,000 for a building that should be condemned.
Perhaps someone can explain to my 90 year old neighbors that the church they have been worshiping in for the past decade is not really a church at all. Some experts on the subject may never have attended a service there.
perrjojo
09-17-2013, 04:56 PM
When the Villages outgrow it's population??? To me that would mean that TV has more homes than residents. TV would be too big for the number of people living here.
Perhaps the OP meant ...when the population outgrows TV. But then that would mean that more people lived here than there were homes. Don't think that will happen.
All in all it is not clear what is meant, as many have suggested.
Perhaps the OP meant that with over 100,000 residents we will lose that Village "feel"?
Perhaps the OP is just worried because the future is never certain anywhere and wants someone to worry with him/her. Or maybe the OP wants us to be reassuring that all will be fine.
Beats me what this means.
janmcn
09-17-2013, 04:57 PM
I have a question for anyone, and if it has been already asked and answered I am sorry, and if it is dumb, I apologize.
How long must the developers family stay here and keep it all going...is there some sort of time line that folks expected when they moved here...are they stuck here until all members of the family dies...or can they sell what they own and move on, without having the ruination of life itself blamed on them ?
Of course they are free to take their billions of dollars and move on whenever or wherever they like.
And no people don't resent them for having made billions of dollars. If the American people hated rich people, Bill Gates would be the most hated man in America, followed by Warren Buffet, followed closely by the late Steve Jobs. That is not the case at all.
We should all say Godspeed to the Morses.
graciegirl
09-17-2013, 05:02 PM
When the businesses fail or close for whatever reason, the developer then sells the property to the CDD for an exorborant amount. What did the residents just pay for the Santiago building? Somewhere around $300,000 for a building that should be condemned. You don't know? But it has to be bad, right? Seems not much for a parcel of land here.
Perhaps someone can explain to my 90 year old neighbors that the church they have been worshiping in for the past decade is not really a church at all. Some experts on the subject may never have attended a service there.
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201306.pdf
bkcunningham1
09-17-2013, 05:15 PM
Gracie, that is the structure of Florida's special districts or community development districts. They are set up by state law with a provision that the "power" or voting rights in ALL districts, after a period of six years, start being turned over to the residents. It is based on a formula, very simply, of land ownership within the district.
It just happens that the original side was taken into the town of Lady Lake. People living in this area of TV are still part of TV and have all the same rights that every other resident of TV has-and then some. The only governing body associated with us who are living in the original portion of TV is the Amenities Authority Committee. We have elected officials representing us, that being the town of Lady Lake. You, and every other resident of TV has a representative on the AAC. I go to their meetings periodically. It is very interesting. I've petitioned them and gotten positive results to improvements at one of our pools. They don't bite and all seem to be wonderful, concerned people who listen and talk to you.
Bucco
09-17-2013, 05:57 PM
Of course they are free to take their billions of dollars and move on whenever or wherever they like.
And no people don't resent them for having made billions of dollars. If the American people hated rich people, Bill Gates would be the most hated man in America, followed by Warren Buffet, followed closely by the late Steve Jobs. That is not the case at all.
We should all say Godspeed to the Morses.
No biting sarcasm here !!!
Not sure why, and does not have to be the poster to whom I am responding to, have such undying resentment of this family. It is sometimes as if such bad ill will is wished upon them and I never ever understand why. I surely know what I would do if I hated the developers, what they have done, are doing and fear they are doing. But that is just me.
Been here since 2000...they never lied to me. I understood the government (actually made sure I took the Pete Wahl classes) where open and honest questions were asked and answered straight forward (to small classes I must add...which really surprised me). Anyway, I understood what was happening...what could happen and nobody misled me in anyway about anything. Thus, even if things were not good, I could not complain !
gomoho
09-17-2013, 06:35 PM
To be quite honest when I bought here I never thought about what if the Morse family pulls out - shame on me. But everything looked so wonderful and felt so good I was sure it would go on forever - shame on me. But after being here a year I do have concerns as I watch the Morse family pull out of control of certain businesses and turning over HR to Compass, and now the recent Southern Lifestyle and Showcase furniture stores being taken over by an outside company. I have witnessed the closing of restaurants north of 466 and her rumblings about buildings that should be condemned and see with my own eyes the pristine care is not as evident in the area between 466 and 466A and sure it makes me wonder. Do I lose sleep at night - no - but I also don't have my head in the sand any more believing this fantasy will go on forever or maybe not even my lifetime.
Bogie Shooter
09-17-2013, 07:27 PM
Gracie, that is the structure of Florida's special districts or community development districts. They are set up by state law with a provision that the "power" or voting rights in ALL districts, after a period of six years, start being turned over to the residents. It is based on a formula, very simply, of land ownership within the district.
It just happens that the original side was taken into the town of Lady Lake. People living in this area of TV are still part of TV and have all the same rights that every other resident of TV has-and then some. The only governing body associated with us who are living in the original portion of TV is the Amenities Authority Committee. We have elected officials representing us, that being the town of Lady Lake. You, and every other resident of TV has a representative on the AAC. I go to their meetings periodically. It is very interesting. I've petitioned them and gotten positive results to improvements at one of our pools. They don't bite and all seem to be wonderful, concerned people who listen and talk to you.
Only District's 1-4 have representation on the ACC.
__________________________________
Gary Moyer (VCCDD)
Carl Bell (District 1)
Ann Forrester (District 2)
John Wilcox (District 3) Chair
Rich Lambrecht (District 4)
Josephine “Jo” Weber (Lady Lake/Lake County) Vice Chair
http://www.districtgov.org/projects/aac-elections-past/_AAC%20%20Election%20Information%20Sheet.pdf
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin200810.html
bkcunningham1
09-17-2013, 07:50 PM
Only District's 1-4 have representation on the ACC.
__________________________________
Gary Moyer (VCCDD)
Carl Bell (District 1)
Ann Forrester (District 2)
John Wilcox (District 3) Chair
Rich Lambrecht (District 4)
Josephine “Jo” Weber (Lady Lake/Lake County) Vice Chair
http://www.districtgov.org/projects/aac-elections-past/_AAC%20%20Election%20Information%20Sheet.pdf
MONTHLY POA BULLETIN (http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin200810.html)
I stand corrected. I assumed Gary Moyer represented the other districts. Thank you. So, can you explain this to me, please, Bogie. Does the SLCDD south of 466 have public meetings when they make decisions on amenities in that area?
I realize they don't have elected representatives, but are there meetings and are they governed by Sunshine laws?
Bogie Shooter
09-17-2013, 08:22 PM
I stand corrected. I assumed Gary Moyer represented the other districts. Thank you. So, can you explain this to me, please, Bogie. Does the SLCDD south of 466 have public meetings when they make decisions on amenities in that area?
I realize they don't have elected representatives, but are there meetings and are they governed by Sunshine laws?
There is no similiar committee.
The SLCDD does meet........here is there latest agenda http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20130912sl0201
Some districts now have elected rep's.
The meetings are open.
You can sign up for the agenda's of all district meetings to be sent to you via email at districtgov.org.
I believe all meetings are covered by the Florida Sunshine laws.
Bucco
09-17-2013, 08:24 PM
I stand corrected. I assumed Gary Moyer represented the other districts. Thank you. So, can you explain this to me, please, Bogie. Does the SLCDD south of 466 have public meetings when they make decisions on amenities in that area?
I realize they don't have elected representatives, but are there meetings and are they governed by Sunshine laws?
Meetings are open...attendance encouraged. Folks should attend their district meetings...most meeting notices are posted at your mail station.
Please go to your district meetings. Not aimed at anyone in particular, but the negativity here just sucks the life out of you.
To those reading and wondering...come on down. Great place to live. Concerned ? Ask questions of those who know.....that is important. There are folks on here that, for whatever reason do not like the developer, and that is their right..they watch his money, his politics, everything he does, most of which has nothing to do with the Villages.
Please..go to meetings if you live here. Give up a party so you can be informed about your district and post here without rumors.
Sorry for the vent, am not a booster for anyone, but when folks just complain about this guy, his family, etc without even knowing what they are talking about..just bothers me. His income, politics,etc are flat out none of our business.
bkcunningham1
09-17-2013, 08:26 PM
How do you know so much? Thank you. I would say you are like a walking encyclopedia, but that is my dad. I'd say you are a walking Google search engine.
Mikeod
09-17-2013, 08:27 PM
I stand corrected. I assumed Gary Moyer represented the other districts. Thank you. So, can you explain this to me, please, Bogie. Does the SLCDD south of 466 have public meetings when they make decisions on amenities in that area?
I realize they don't have elected representatives, but are there meetings and are they governed by Sunshine laws?
The amenities south of 466, except Pimlico, are still owned by the developer, not SLCDD. It is expected that, once the IRS dispute is settled, these will be sold to the central district. I hope that there will either be a second AAC or an expansion of the current AAC. It will be interesting to see if south of 466 gets funds similar to those provided by the lawsuit for north of 466.
bkcunningham1
09-17-2013, 08:29 PM
The amenities south of 466, except Pimlico, are still owned by the developer, not SLCDD. It is expected that, once the IRS dispute is settled, these will be sold to the central district. I hope that there will either be a second AAC or an expansion of the current AAC. It will be interesting to see if south of 466 gets funds similar to those provided by the lawsuit for north of 466.
Why would they get funds similar to those provided by the lawsuit? I'm missing something.
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