Some are not courteous at town squares

[Villages PL]

It's not a big problem but it does happen sometimes. When it does happen, it might be wise to change your seat, if you can find another seat.

On Wednesday I went to see a great new band called "N-Tunes". After I was there a while, a group of women came and sat nearby. It seems they had been drinking and were really LOUD talkers. Then they would get up to dance and would sometimes stand in front of me while talking to their friends in a loud voice. On the dance floor they started loud conversations as if the band wasn't there. I think they overpowered the music at times.

One of them was trying to convince a man to follow her out to her car. He didn't seem too willing until she said, "I have a beer for you in the car."

Before the band starts playing there's an anouncement from WVLG that says, "No coolers allowed." People must have started bringing their own drinks in a cooler. So now it seems that some of them are drinking in their cars.

Here are some of the replies I expect to get: Hey, chill-out! What do you care if people are drinking in their cars. And if people are too loud for you, just take your chair and move it!

I just thought I would save you the trouble. :thumbup:

[pooh]

You won't hear that from me. Loud drunks, male or female, can be obnoxious. They really have no idea that they are causing others distress, spoiling their enjoyment . I have nothing against liquor, but am really uncomfortable around anyone who has no idea that they are rip snorting drunk.

[Madelaine Amee]

Here are some of the replies I expect to get: Hey, chill-out! What do you care if people are drinking in their cars. And if people are too loud for you, just take your chair and move it!

I just thought I would save you the trouble. :thumbup:

When we run into these problems, I usually turn to my husband and say "thank goodness they don't live next door to me!" So you won't hear any comments from me to your post either.

[nyclicker]

In response to "One of them was trying to convince a man to follow her out to her car" men are weak and then you throw in an offer of beer, the poor guy didn't have a chance.

[red tail]

jealous!

[DougB]

You won't hear that from me. Loud drunks, male or female, can be obnoxious. They really have no idea that they are causing others distress, spoiling their enjoyment . I have nothing against liquor, but am really uncomfortable around anyone who has no idea that they are rip snorting drunk.

I'll drink to that!

[Baileysmom]

I'll drink to that!

Cheers :mademyday:

[senior citizen]

It's not a big problem but it does happen sometimes. When it does happen, it might be wise to change your seat, if you can find another seat.

On Wednesday I went to see a great new band called "N-Tunes". After I was there a while, a group of women came and sat nearby. It seems they had been drinking and were really LOUD talkers. Then they would get up to dance and would sometimes stand in front of me while talking to their friends in a loud voice. On the dance floor they started loud conversations as if the band wasn't there. I think they overpowered the music at times.

One of them was trying to convince a man to follow her out to her car. He didn't seem too willing until she said, "I have a beer for you in the car."

Before the band starts playing there's an anouncement from WVLG that says, "No coolers allowed." People must have started bringing their own drinks in a cooler. So now it seems that some of them are drinking in their cars.

Here are some of the replies I expect to get: Hey, chill-out! What do you care if people are drinking in their cars. And if people are too loud for you, just take your chair and move it!

I just thought I would save you the trouble. :thumbup:

We're not fond of loud obnoxious folks either......sad that your evening was ruined. Thanks for posting that. It took courage.

Maybe THE VILLAGES is indeed getting too big......for comfort.
It must have been really nice when it was new and a smaller population.

We've been looking in a town with a population of 2,900 souls.....on a barrier island with the Atlantic Ocean beaches, a real fishing pier and very beautiful large homes , larger acreage.........not really second guessing ourselves, but weighing all the pros and cons before making the big move next spring or summer..........

Crowds and noise are not our cup of tea.....so thanks again for your post.

[chuck90199]

I don't think it's the size of The Villages that is the problem. You can find loud obnoxious people in any size crowd. The squares are open to the public so the noisy people could be from one of the surrounding towns. That being said, we've lived here a year and have yet to encounter a really loud person or group and we go to the squares often.

[Bogie Shooter]

We're not fond of loud obnoxious folks either......sad that your evening was ruined. Thanks for posting that. It took courage.

Maybe THE VILLAGES is indeed getting too big......for comfort.
It must have been really nice when it was new and a smaller population.

We've been looking in a town with a population of 2,900 souls.....on a barrier island with the Atlantic Ocean beaches, a real fishing pier and very beautiful large homes , larger acreage.........not really second guessing ourselves, but weighing all the pros and cons before making the big move next spring or summer..........

Crowds and noise are not our cup of tea.....so thanks again for your post.

Maybe another open tee time................................

[missypie]

There are loud and obnoxious people all over the world in every corner. This now convinces me to buy my own chair and when I'm not happy, I'll move to a different area.

[buzzy]

We're not fond of loud obnoxious folks either......sad that your evening was ruined. Thanks for posting that. It took courage.

Maybe THE VILLAGES is indeed getting too big......for comfort.
It must have been really nice when it was new and a smaller population.

We've been looking in a town with a population of 2,900 souls.....on a barrier island with the Atlantic Ocean beaches, a real fishing pier and very beautiful large homes , larger acreage.........not really second guessing ourselves, but weighing all the pros and cons before making the big move next spring or summer..........

Crowds and noise are not our cup of tea.....so thanks again for your post.

Um, something like that will cost in the millions, at least down in Palm Beach County. Where are you looking?

[champion6]

It's not a big problem but it does happen sometimes.The OP was was an informative post. However, the first sentence is the most important. I believe the same is true for many of the topics (a.k.a. annoyances) we discuss on TOTV.

[Polar Bear]

The OP was was an informative post. However, the first sentence is the most important. I believe the same is true for many of the topics (a.k.a. annoyances) we discuss on TOTV.

Yup.

There are loud and obnoxious people all over the world in every corner. This now convinces me to buy my own chair and when I'm not happy, I'll move to a different area.

Problem solved.

[DougB]

Um, something like that will cost in the millions, at least down in Palm Beach County. Where are you looking?

You can get a house on a barrier island on the Atlantic in Cape Canaveral by the pier for 200,000. Won't be large acreage. Of course right on the ocean would be over a million

[janmcn]

We're not fond of loud obnoxious folks either......sad that your evening was ruined. Thanks for posting that. It took courage.

Maybe THE VILLAGES is indeed getting too big......for comfort.
It must have been really nice when it was new and a smaller population.

We've been looking in a town with a population of 2,900 souls.....on a barrier island with the Atlantic Ocean beaches, a real fishing pier and very beautiful large homes , larger acreage.........not really second guessing ourselves, but weighing all the pros and cons before making the big move next spring or summer..........

Crowds and noise are not our cup of tea.....so thanks again for your post.


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[deltaguy]

In response to "One of them was trying to convince a man to follow her out to her car" men are weak and then you throw in an offer of beer, the poor guy didn't have a chance.

Still weak if the offer was for more than beer?

[rubicon]

The OP's experience is exactly why I stay away from the Town Squares. Along with that issue is the fact that the dance area is overcrowded, especially with line dancers.

I thoroughly enjoy dancing but the circumstances at the town squares are not conducive for couples dancing.

Beside which I can not condone seat savers:D

[Peachie]

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Read this article for an update on what's happening to flood insurance rates in Florida effective Oct 1 because of the Biggert-Waters Act passed by congress in 2012. One new home owner's rates are increasing from $1700 per year to $10,000 to $12,000 per year.

OMG, janmcn, thanks for the link. It must be a devastating situation to have that huge rate hike on a home for which you scrimped and saved.

[billethkid]

thank the original poster for asserting that it is only "some" that do that or any other obnoxious behavior.

I certainly would not give a thought to not going to the squares or not moving here or moving here due to what are nothing more than ISOLATED incidents.

And as was already stated the size of TV has nothing to do with the incident or incidents like it. Inconsiderate folks exist in any size community.

The 98+ percent of us live in and enjoy TV and have done so since the population was 30,000!!!

btk

[Topspinmo]

no Surprise:wave:, what drunks do!:p:loco: Alcohol brings out the best it people:a20:. You know we all have that Alcoholic relative that could of made it big if it wasn't for the weakness!:wine: After all it an excuss to act like as $ss. :wine::eclipsee_gold_cup::eclipsee_gold_cup:

[buggyone]

The OP's experience is exactly why I stay away from the Town Squares. Along with that issue is the fact that the dance area is overcrowded, especially with line dancers.

I thoroughly enjoy dancing but the circumstances at the town squares are not conducive for couples dancing.

Beside which I can not condone seat savers:D

I have lived in The Villages for 4 years and love going to the squares. It is fun dancing and have never felt the dance area is too crowded, even when Rocky is performing. It is fun to be part of the scene.

Seat savers are not a problem. Bring a chair, set it where you want and enjoy The Villages lifestyle.

[graciegirl]

We're not fond of loud obnoxious folks either......sad that your evening was ruined. Thanks for posting that. It took courage.

Maybe THE VILLAGES is indeed getting too big......for comfort.
It must have been really nice when it was new and a smaller population.

We've been looking in a town with a population of 2,900 souls.....on a barrier island with the Atlantic Ocean beaches, a real fishing pier and very beautiful large homes , larger acreage.........not really second guessing ourselves, but weighing all the pros and cons before making the big move next spring or summer..........

Crowds and noise are not our cup of tea.....so thanks again for your post.


Not too big.

There has always been a divide between the social drinkers and the heavy drinkers.

I feel bad for people who have the need to arm themselves with what us Germans used to call "Dutch Courage" to have a fun evening.

If we were all alike we would have no one to feel superior to.

[Golfingnut]

I have a problem with people that never drink.:loco: Way to weird for me to tolerate sober.:beer3:

[jojo]

We often go to the square for just a short time. We have been fortunate to not experience any rude behavior. Quite the opposite - folks go out of their way to indicate if chairs are open. While I'm sure there are instances of overindulgence, we have not personally observed it. At LSL the line dancers stay to one side of the floor. Rarely if ever has the dance floor been crowded except with Rocky and the Rollers.

[asianthree]

i wondering why the person wanted to take the guy to her golf cart...stranger danger

[graciegirl]

We're not fond of loud obnoxious folks either......sad that your evening was ruined. Thanks for posting that. It took courage.

Maybe THE VILLAGES is indeed getting too big......for comfort.
It must have been really nice when it was new and a smaller population.

We've been looking in a town with a population of 2,900 souls.....on a barrier island with the Atlantic Ocean beaches, a real fishing pier and very beautiful large homes , larger acreage.........not really second guessing ourselves, but weighing all the pros and cons before making the big move next spring or summer..........

Crowds and noise are not our cup of tea.....so thanks again for your post.

Senior.

If I remember correctly when you were here a couple of years ago you had your children visiting with their small children most of the time. You rented a home north of 466 with it's own pool and spent a good deal of time at the residence you had rented. I think to get the feel of The Villages, you need to be here without guests and spend some time at the squares, the pools, the rec centers and with groups of us TOTVrs.

I so hope you will make the best choice to be the happiest you can be.

Many of us love this place. Many like us don't go to the squares much either.

[DonH57]

When it comes to partying one of the biggest problems with my first marriage was she couldn't stand me drunk and I couldn't stand her sober. So, there you go!

[DougB]

I have a problem with people that never drink.:loco: Way to weird for me to tolerate sober.:beer3:

Alcohol improves the brain.
The human brain can operate only as fast as the slowest brain cells through which the electrical signals pass. Recent epidemiological studies have shown that while excessive intake of alcohol kills off brain cells, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.

Thus, regular consumption of beer, wine etc., helps eliminate the weaker cells, constantly making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. The result of this in-depth study verifies and validates the causal link between all-weekend parties and job related performance. It also explains why, after a few short years of leaving a university and getting married, most professionals cannot keep up with the performance of the new graduates. Only those few that stick to the strict regimen of voracious alcoholic consumption can maintain the intellectual levels that they achieve during their college years.

I know this to be true because I read it on the internet

[ilovetv]

It seems to me that all these complaints about seat hogs, rudeness and drunks are due to cheapskates piling in at the squares to get the cheap Happy Hour drinks!

We always go to the squares a bit later, after happy hours are over, to avoid the sun and heat. If you go between 7-9pm there's no problem with seating nor "drunks".

A little bit of flexibility goes a long way. Go a little bit later. Why do people want to sit there in one chair for 4 hours anyway???

[senior citizen]

It seems to me that all these complaints about seat hogs, rudeness and drunks are due to cheapskates piling in at the squares to get the cheap Happy Hour drinks!

We always go to the squares a bit later, after happy hours are over, to avoid the sun and heat. If you go between 7-9pm there's no problem with seating nor "drunks".

A little bit of flexibility goes a long way. Go a little bit later. Why do people want to sit there in one chair for 4 hours anyway???

I think you are on to something. They are not all folks from THE VILLAGES.

We actually know a fellow from our town who moved down to Fruitland Park with his wife......last autumn.

He's told my husband that they LOVE THE HAPPY HOURS AT THE VILLAGES.....and do drive to TV very often, from Fruitland Park.

I agree with your last sentence totally..........unless one is sitting at the beach watching the sun rise or set.......or just watching the waves lap on shore..........or watching the moon come up over the mountains.

[Golfingnut]

I think it is more a case of personality. If you complain about the little things you disagree with at the square, you most likely complain about slow play on the courses, fast carts on the cart paths, neighbors that park in the street, neighbors that put their trash out two early, people that smoke, one cart in a parking spot, and so on. Let's quit whining like children and find a solution. Maybe a tip of the day in the daily sun telling folks what is considered VILLAGES CORRECTNESS. You will reach more people and may even have a positive effect. Complaining anonymously on a web site infuriates people more than it changes them.

[senior citizen]

I think it is more a case of personality. If you complain about the little things you disagree with at the square, you most likely complain about slow play on the courses, fast carts on the cart paths, neighbors that park in the street, neighbors that put their trash out two early, people that smoke, one cart in a parking spot, and so on. Let's quit whining like children and find a solution. Maybe a tip of the day in the daily sun telling folks what is considered VILLAGES CORRECTNESS. You will reach more people and may even have a positive effect. Complaining anonymously on a web site infuriates people more than it changes them.

Personally, we believe in "live and let live". We wouldn't be in the places that are annoying to us. So, nothing to complain about.

Everyone we met in THE VILLAGES was super friendly and down to earth.
The place sells itself based on it beauty and cleanliness, wonderful zoning which keeps everything looking lovely.........

Guess we've been Yankees too long ..........we respect our own privacy as well as everyone elses. When we first moved to Vermont in our very early twenties.....it was a different world........but we grew to love and respect the "strong silent type of folks" as well as the "salt of the earth" who would do anything for a neighbor..........even though they are NOT flamboyant, loud, aggressive or the "look at me" type. A different world, but one we grew used to after spending our youth in New Jersey. I guess we are Yankees at heart.

[graciegirl]

Personally, we believe in "live and let live". We wouldn't be in the places that are annoying to us. So, nothing to complain about.

Everyone we met in THE VILLAGES was super friendly and down to earth.
The place sells itself based on it beauty and cleanliness, wonderful zoning which keeps everything looking lovely.........

Guess we've been Yankees too long ..........we respect our own privacy as well as everyone elses. When we first moved to Vermont in our very early twenties.....it was a different world........but we grew to love and respect the "strong silent type of folks" as well as the "salt of the earth" who would do anything for a neighbor..........even though they are NOT flamboyant, loud, aggressive or the "look at me" type. A different world, but one we grew used to after spending our youth in New Jersey. I guess we are Yankees at heart.

Those traits, and good ones they are, are not limited to that section of this country. You will find the same in folks from Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky, just to name a few areas that I know well.

I think the melting pot here is hard to handle at times, in all honesty. We all think ....what is the matter with THEM?

[senior citizen]

i wondering why the person wanted to take the guy to her golf cart...stranger danger


I wondered the exact same thing. Are they that desperate for a date?
Sad.

We live in a "cradle to grave community"....so we don't have, or are not aware of so many desperate daters........all of our neighbors are in long term marriages with children , grand children and great grandchildren........

Long happy marriages......we have watched our kids grow from infancy to parenthood themselves.........even when our spouses die, dating is the last thing on any of our minds.........if truth be told.

Now, the younger set in our community may be "out there" but not the retired folks and seniors.........so I've been seriously wondering if there is something to that book Leisure Ville.

Is that what draws so many single people to want to live in TV???? It's reputation for strange encounters....oops, I was thinking "stranger danger".........as per your post above.....

I still remember that post and photos I saw on TOTV which mysteriously disappeared later in the morning.......several months back.........of an advert for a bedroom to rent.....the bedroom had a pole for pole dancing and was quite explicitly advertised............some of us saw it and then "poof" it mysteriously was GONE. I believe in truth in journalism. What's the big secret? It looked like a very very old crummy motel room that was set up for "happy ending" kind of dates. Then as mysteriously as it appeared on TOTV and was viewed, it was GONE...............I hope there are no naïve recently widowed or never married folks who get duped into a situation like that.

[Villages PL]

Alcohol improves the brain.

That being the case, you must be a genius by now. :)

[Bizdoc]

If you go to Magic Kingdom (that happy, happy place), you'll still find rude people. Location doesn't remove jerk genes... Ignore them. Life (as we know at our age) is too darned short to rent these idiots space in our head.

[Villages PL]

We often go to the square for just a short time. We have been fortunate to not experience any rude behavior. Quite the opposite - folks go out of their way to indicate if chairs are open. While I'm sure there are instances of overindulgence, we have not personally observed it. At LSL the line dancers stay to one side of the floor. Rarely if ever has the dance floor been crowded except with Rocky and the Rollers.

I live closer to Lake Sumter Landing and have never noticed a problem there either. I only went to Spanish Springs Town Square because the N-Tunes were performing there for the first time. When I first moved to the villages I lived on the east side of 441 and Spanish Springs was the only square. Over a period of time it got to be more of a problem and I think it might be because it offers easy access to people from other communities.

The Villages was designed to draw people in from everywhere, for commercial reasons, and it's working. :)

[Villages PL]

I think it is more a case of personality. If you complain about the little things you disagree with at the square, you most likely complain about slow play on the courses, fast carts on the cart paths, neighbors that park in the street, neighbors that put their trash out two early, people that smoke, one cart in a parking spot, and so on. Let's quit whining like children and find a solution. Maybe a tip of the day in the daily sun telling folks what is considered VILLAGES CORRECTNESS. You will reach more people and may even have a positive effect. Complaining anonymously on a web site infuriates people more than it changes them.

I don't think it's very nice to characterize posters on this thread as "whining like children." Especially when the topic is about courtesy. Let's have some courtesy for fellow posters.

[BobnBev]

Brownwood has a Wildwood Police sub station. Maybe it's time the other 2 squares hired Deputys.

[Golfingnut]

I don't think it's very nice to characterize posters on this thread as "whining like children." Especially when the topic is about courtesy. Let's have some courtesy for fellow posters.

That may be what you think, but I think it is spot on. Not likely I will change. I have great respect and courtesy for posters as long as they don't whine.

[cquick]

The OP's experience is exactly why I stay away from the Town Squares. Along with that issue is the fact that the dance area is overcrowded, especially with line dancers.

I thoroughly enjoy dancing but the circumstances at the town squares are not conducive for couples dancing.

Beside which I can not condone seat savers:D

The music and entertainment at the squares is the #1 reason we moved to The Villages.....we are happy with them.

[BettyCrocked]

An altercation happened next to me at LSL square a couple of weeks ago. It almost came to blows before security stepped in. What made it actually entertaining was that the 70'ish instigator of the altercation assumed because the other man appeared to be about 50, he didn't live there. So he yells at the guy "this was my seat, I live in TV, you need to go back where you came from". Younger guy turned out to be a resident, also.

[Patty55]

It's not a big problem but it does happen sometimes. When it does happen, it might be wise to change your seat, if you can find another seat.

On Wednesday I went to see a great new band called "N-Tunes". After I was there a while, a group of women came and sat nearby. It seems they had been drinking and were really LOUD talkers. Then they would get up to dance and would sometimes stand in front of me while talking to their friends in a loud voice. On the dance floor they started loud conversations as if the band wasn't there. I think they overpowered the music at times.

One of them was trying to convince a man to follow her out to her car. He didn't seem too willing until she said, "I have a beer for you in the car."

Before the band starts playing there's an anouncement from WVLG that says, "No coolers allowed." People must have started bringing their own drinks in a cooler. So now it seems that some of them are drinking in their cars.

Here are some of the replies I expect to get: Hey, chill-out! What do you care if people are drinking in their cars. And if people are too loud for you, just take your chair and move it!

I just thought I would save you the trouble. :thumbup:

Maybe they were trying to get your attention because they thought you were hot.

[mickey100]

I don't think it's very nice to characterize posters on this thread as "whining like children." Especially when the topic is about courtesy. Let's have some courtesy for fellow posters.

Yes. Lately that seems to be in short supply.:agree:

[DougB]

That being the case, you must be a genius by now. :)

I'm working on it. Still got a couple of cases to go!

[Villages PL]

That may be what you think, but I think it is spot on. Not likely I will change. I have great respect and courtesy for posters as long as they don't whine.

Everyone has their own interpretation of what constitutes whining. So when you tell others they are whining it only serves as an insult and accomplishes nothing. I thought the threads on "legalization of marijuana" and "doctor assisted suicide" were very whiny because they were pleading for something but nothing was accomplished. Should I have said so? And if I had said so, what would I have accomplished?

[Villages PL]

Maybe they were trying to get your attention because they thought you were hot.

Thank you, patty, I will gladly accept that as a possibility. :thumbup:

[travelguy]

really love going to the squares for some music and dancing. my only objections are: market night at lake sumter....the vendor booths should all be set up on the outside of the square, not plopped into the seating areas. there is plenty of sidewalk room for them. also, set up the chairs from the back forward. lots of time there are chairs way into the dancing area, and empty spaces behind them.

[Tweety Bird]

There are loud and obnoxious people all over the world in every corner. This now convinces me to buy my own chair and when I'm not happy, I'll move to a different area.

A lot of people bring their own chairs. It is empowerment. LOL

[justjim]

The music and entertainment at the squares is the #1 reason we moved to The Villages.....we are happy with them.

We all have our # 1, 2, 3 etc. reasons we were attracted to TV. For us it was the golf and a close second was the climate. Down the list somewhere is the Squares---for us.

Many folks we know went to the Squares more often the first year or two and then it "tapered" off. If everyone went often, you couldn't find a place to dance for sure!

We encountered rude drunks a couple of times around Sumter Landing but it has been an exception and not the rule. We just move on.... As you know, you can't reason with someone who has too much to drink anyway.

We try our best to apply the Golden Rule as much as possible. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.".

[Gat0r]

Never argue with a drunk,just move on.
1. Don’t take it personally
People are who they are. It’s not because of you
2. Don’t bother reasoning
Rationality in the absence reason is rhetorical quicksand
3. Focus on the outcome
Don’t get sucked into the moment; stay on course
4. Make them the winner
Put what they want on the other side of what you need
5. Remember why you’re there
Rude dollars deposit in the bank just like polite ones

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Live music in the squares was one of the big reasons that I moved here as well.
It is so disappointing to see so many disc jockeys and people singing to pre recorded tracks. I hardly ever go to the squares anymore. What a waste. They might as well just stick a drum machine on the gazebo and let the people line dance because that pretty much all it is anyway.
Occasionally, they have a decent live band, but I've seen most of them. They're great, but how many times are you going to see Rocky and the Rollers.

[ilovetv]

Live music in the squares was one of the big reasons that I moved here as well.
It is so disappointing to see so many disc jockeys and people singing to pre recorded tracks. I hardly ever go to the squares anymore. What a waste. They might as well just stick a drum machine on the gazebo and let the people line dance because that pretty much all it is anyway.
Occasionally, they have a decent live band, but I've seen most of them. They're great, but how many times are you going to see Rocky and the Rollers.

There is still enormous value in the nightly live music at the three town squares, regardless of the recorded tracks some of the live singers sing with.

The live music and dancing in the squares is a reminder every day that there IS a community with three "downtowns" left in the USA that actually has thriving and wanted retail businesses that are actually OPEN after 5pm!

Even more important is that the music and dancing is a reminder that we have a safe place to go out in every night of the year.

We and most people have not had a thriving, safe downtown to which we would go, in decades. Even the malls are unsafe, especially in parking lots.....and who wants to go to the mall and watch roaming packs of kids in their dark, angry look and scary dress intimidating the average decent person there, and shoplifting??

The squares here provide vitality and safety that few or no other communities are willing to cultivate.

[Jaggy]

really love going to the squares for some music and dancing. my only objections are: market night at lake sumter....the vendor booths should all be set up on the outside of the square, not plopped into the seating areas. there is plenty of sidewalk room for them. also, set up the chairs from the back forward. lots of time there are chairs way into the dancing area, and empty spaces behind them.

:agree::agree::agree: