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Caymus 05-14-2025 07:00 AM
There should be no list of banned players. Let the voters (Baseball writers) considered all the facts when they vote.

Taltarzac725 05-14-2025 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by txfan (Post 2431352)
Baseball HOF is based on on-field statistics and prowess, not cheating.

They should be in and will be in.

Waiting until Rose died at least gives MLB HOF the satisfaction of him being unable to celebrate.
But if they earned those stats by cheating?

Wondering 05-14-2025 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2431231)
Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.

Rose died in 2024.
Shoeless Joe died in 1951.
Major League Baseball has become a joke. Ghost runner in extra innings, starters only going 5 innings, then blowing through the bull pens pitchers. I think there have only been four complete pitching games this season. Very few fans in the stands at most games. Now the gambler, Rose, being eligible -- SAD!

NoMo50 05-14-2025 07:37 AM
Rose will have a tough time getting the necessary 12 out of 16 votes from the Classic Era Committee, which only votes every 3 years. Two of the personal attributes considered by committee members are integrity and character. It's not simply reduced to on-field accomplishments.

Topspinmo 05-14-2025 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2431246)
I guess the Hall of Fame can do whatever they want. But, I can't help but think that, if a player's career is deemed to be not eligible while alive, how does dying change anything?
Dead I guess.

Topspinmo 05-14-2025 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2431368)
Major League Baseball has become a joke. Ghost runner in extra innings, starters only going 5 innings, then blowing through the bull pens pitchers. I think there have only been four complete pitching games this season. Very few fans in the stands at most games. Now the gambler, Rose, being eligible -- SAD!
I watch banana ball much more entertaining. :highfive:

Topspinmo 05-14-2025 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2431364)
But if they earned those stats by cheating?
By cheating do you mean illegal drugs to make them stronger?

Normal 05-14-2025 07:58 AM
Living Legends
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2431233)
So, does this mean that the "permanently ineligible list" is permanently ended? How can anyone ever by put on the list again, if it is not permanent?
It boils down to living legends can cash in on the prestige of placement into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Those that have passed on can’t.

Rainger99 05-14-2025 09:49 AM
If TOTV members voted, what would you do?

My vote

Rose - yes
Jackson - yes

Stu from NYC 05-14-2025 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2431410)
If TOTV members voted, what would you do?

My vote

Rose - yes
Jackson - yes
They do not belong. Betting and fixing games should be grounds for lifetime banning.

Rainger99 05-14-2025 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2431447)
They do not belong. Betting and fixing games should be grounds for lifetime banning.
That lifetime ban expired when they died.

Stu from NYC 05-14-2025 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2431458)
That lifetime ban expired when they died.
My error change lifetime to permanent banning. Not to mention character does count or at least it should

Rainger99 05-14-2025 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2431479)
My error change lifetime to permanent banning. Not to mention character does count or at least it should
So would you expel OJ?

retiredguy123 05-14-2025 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2431479)
My error change lifetime to permanent banning. Not to mention character does count or at least it should
The Pete Rose ban was a "permanent" ban, not a lifetime ban.

If it was a lifetime ban, the commissioner didn't need to do anything.

kcrazorbackfan 05-14-2025 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by badkarma318 (Post 2431261)
Setting aside the facts that Rose had sex with a young girl, was a serial adulterer, pathological liar, degenerate gambler, and raging narcissist, he bet on baseball and used corked bats, so he should never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Fact or S.W.A.G?


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