Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1989009)

With more to come because ALL viruses mutate. There will NEVER be "herd immunity" because it is found/replicates in several different animals vs "only" humans....but people don't want to face that fact. It is a virus....it WILL continue to mutate. Focus needs to be on EFFECTIVE TREATMENT.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1989075)

And this makes it different from thousands of other viruses out there ---how??????

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1989094)

Name ONE other VIRUS immunization that is required so you can choose from eating, going where you want, or even just working for a living for.....JUST ONE! Yeah....I'm waiting........THIS IS CONTROL!

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1989094)

Name ONE other VIRUS immunization that is required so you can choose from eating, going where you want, or even just working for a living for.....JUST ONE! Yeah....I'm waiting........THIS IS CONTROL!

Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1989037)

Hence the problem with the vaccine. Fortunately, no one got seriously ill but they could have or spread it to a passenger who would get very ill. IMO, these ships are dangerous incubators for disease in the best of times.

I think we must admit now that the vaccinated can contract the virus and give it to others, but it keeps symptoms manageable for most, but not all. Another question I have is can you get it again? We have no clue as to whether those who have the spike protein antibodies from the vaccine but also get COVID anyway will acquire natural immunity so you don't get the same virus twice. I think not.

Wanna bet that a vaccine resistant and dangerous variant will originate on a cruise ship? I hope I lose that bet but unfortunately I don't think I will. :pray:

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1989100)

At it's peak, about 30 million people traveled on cruise ships each year. The numbers are obviously way down and may stay that way for some time. While it is possible that a variant will develop on a cruise ship where essentially everyone is fully vaccinated, my money is on future variants coming from the 5.8 billion people (about 75% of the world's population) who have not yet been fully vaccinated.

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1988335)

All 27 were vaccinated, had mild or no symptoms, and were in isolation, according to the statement. The tourism board said 99.98% of the ship’s crew was vaccinated, as well as 96.5% of its passengers.

The positive cases were among 26 crew members and one passenger on the Carnival Vista, which is carrying over 1,400 crew and nearly 3,000 passengers, the board said in a statement. The ship arrived Wednesday in Belize City.

27 people aboard Carnival cruise test positive for COVID-19



Wow, 99.98% of the crew were vaccinated, and 26 of them got covid.

It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated I tell you! (sarcasm)

How could this happen?

Obviously, someone boarded the ship and already had covid, most likely a crew member. Maybe all the crew got Pfizer shots? Maybe some of them forged a vaccine card to keep their job?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1989098)

Want another on that limits where you can go?

"A required vaccine is one that travelers must have in order to enter a country, based on that country’s government regulations. In most circumstances, yellow fever is the only vaccine required by certain countries. Keep in mind that yellow fever vaccine can be recommended by CDC to protect your health, as well as required by a country. CDC’s recommendation is different from the country’s requirement. A vaccine recommendation is designed to keep you from getting yellow fever; a vaccine requirement is the country’s attempt to keep travelers from bringing the yellow fever virus into the country. Vaccine requirements can change at any time, because country governments control those decisions." (from CDC website)

Originally Posted by mohawksin (Post 1988809)

i am very uncomfortable with the universal acceptance of the validity of every covid test. Way too many variables in the process of manufacture, transport, application, and reporting of results.

In the situation where the death data reporting system either cannot or will not distinguish between a death by covid and a death with covid, how much credence should we put in the reported results of 'covid tests'.

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1989196)

Covid top gov leadership is floating the idea of vaccine passports to travel between states.