Wait! I though you just said these things rarely happen in G-7 countries? Did you see what happened in Germany today? Probably wasn't mentioned on CNN. It isn't in their top 4 front-page stories under the "World" column or anywhere else on their front page that I could find.

Two Left Dead in Supermarket Shooting in Germany

That is probably a domestic violence crime. Man fatally shoots woman, then himself at German supermarket, police say

It is horrible how that other person just attacked you. No one deserves to be bullied like that.

You are saying that NOTHING can be done to prevent MASS shootings and murders because if the AR-15 style rifle was banned then another model of rifle could take its place. That is ALL incorrect because Australia and New Zealand HAVE already (since about 1985) SOLVED their MASS MURDER problem - and look no further than Canada which is currently SOLVING its GUN murder PROBLEM. So, that PROVES that what you wrote IS incorrect. The US IS the only 1st world nation with a mass GUN murder problem. And the PROBLEM is going to get WORSE as the summer continues.
..........The whole idea that US Citizens should be able to own UNLIMITED types of GUNS is a mindset that is NOT shared by the UK and all other western nations. Their citizens do NOT have to FEAR gathering ing groups like for adults at church or for children at school. They ELIMINATED all those fears by simply banning certain CLASSES of GUNS. It instantly dropped their GUN crimes to near ZERO. In those nations, GUNS were NOT eliminated, just the types of GUNS most likely to be used to shoot up a large crowd or do drive-by shootings.
........As to the M1 carbine being a BETTER man-killer than the AR-15. Just NOT true. The M1 carbine IS a GOOD man-killer, but not as good as the AR-15. The M1 carbine is a military weapon designed to have low recoil so that it was easy for a soldier to get used to the recoil and become proficient with it. The AR-15 has even lower recoil......advantage AR-15. The M1 carbine uses a LOW-VELOCITY pistol cartridge that limits its effective range due to bullet drop to about 200 yards. The AR-15 uses a HIGH-VELOCITY rifle cartridge with an effective range of 550 yards with less bullet drop. ........advantage AR-15 again! The high-velocity of the AR as compared to the M-1 causes a greater WOUND channel in soft human tissue. Again advantage AR-15 as a MILITARY man-killing weapon of war.
..........BOTH the AR-15 and the M1 carbine are banned by ALL the civilized nations of the world except the US for use by CIVILIANS.

Don't even try, you will be attacked. Ask me how I know.

I posted numerous plans in both this and the other previous thread. I was accused of spamming them threads with nonsense. And no discussion, only attacks, many personal. In fact, half of my points were those promoted by conservatives. I learned a lot about gun control here, but you see I am a liberal, so nothing I say, even when I agree with conservatives gets any attention other to be attacked.

"THEY" know all that, "THEY" don't care. You are wasting your pixels.

Perhaps we need to be more aware and selective as to who is coming into the US. Local and State governments tend not to provide incarceration rates for illegal immigrants. What we do have is a study and report prepared by the DOJ/DHS in 2018.
Immigrants accounted for more than 30 percent of the federal prison population. Let us take care of our fellow citizens who are dealing with homelessness, hunger, poverty, before we allow others to enter illegally.

According to CATO research:

(All immigrants refers to illegal and legal)

"All immigrants have a lower criminal incarceration rate and there are lower crime rates in the neighborhoods where they live, according to the near-unanimous findings of the peer-reviewed evidence. Since 1911, large nationwide federal immigration commissions have asked whether immigrants are more crime-prone than native-born Americans and each one of them answered no, even when the rest of their reports unjustifiably blamed immigrants for virtually every problem in the United States. From the 1911 Immigration Commission, also known as the Dillingham Commission, to the 1931 Wickersham Commission, and 1994’s Barbara Jordan Commission, each has reported that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans."

That was from 2018, since you referenced a 2018 data. There are more recent studies that show the same. In 2019 these numbers were released: At least 13% of the federal prison population, and 30% of the Federal Marshalls detention are illegal aliens. Federal Marshall's don't hold many other types of prisoners.

Sorry, all those allegations of voter fraud were INTENSELY looked into and DISPROVED. Even the then-Attorney General Bill Barr stated that there was NO significant voter fraud in the 2020 election. As I stated previously......the 2020 election was the most FRAUD-FREE election in modern history!
..........If someone wants to disagree about this, they should disagree with Bill Barr, not me!

Yes, today we have polarized sides and group tension. Russia has done this around the world for the last 20 years. Besides oil, Russia exports propaganda. Notice how the GUN issue has divided the US.

It RARELY happens in the other G-7 nations AS COMPARED to the US.

Yes, people here like to break other people's pixels!

I agree!

The overriding problem is that our TOTAL infrastructure and government services can NOT adequately handle our TOTAL population. No wonder we have polarization and groups hating other groups. And that hatred leading to GUN violence and that FEAR driving up GUN sales. We have just emerged from the inability to solve the Covid crisis due to nationwide polarization. There is a Covid surge in Florida right now and it is being ignored by our so-called leaders.
............Increased GUN sales are NOT going to make for a peaceful summer, just the opposite!

Who's going to do all the landscaping work then? Who will flip the burgers at the fast food joints? Also - if you <allow> people to enter, then they're not entering illegally. That is a logical fallacy. If you allow them, then they're here with permission. That makes their entry legal, not illegal.

Meanwhile, immigrants do most of the grunt work in this country, because most American citizens refuse to do it. You want tomatoes for under $8/lb? Then accept that it's probably a Mexican picking the tomato off the vine at agricultural wages (which is sub-minimum).

At least they're willing to do the work.

217 posts. Somebody needs to shoot this thread.

All true, but not because we can't, but because a group has been trying to "starve the beast" since the 1950's.

And at this point, there is no way to collect all the guns, so with ONLY 400 million in circulation no matter what we do right now, it is not going to be peaceful anytime soon. And there is a good chance, some want more violence - I know Putin will be thrill to watch us kill each other.

Farmers have repeatedly tried to hire American's to do the field work, and they typically last a day or two. You are right. Who will work the fields. But, the good news is, if not no one does the prices of food will skyrocket, and well, all the people here will have more things to bitch about.

Perhaps some sort of migrant worker program , come to the US for a short stay , leave when the seasonal work is done , take your pay back to your home country, brings much needed money there, I think if the problems of abusing that sort of system could be worked out it could benefit all parties, but then it works out better politically just to be very non selective as to who comes into our country

Yes, there was a work visa program, I don't know if it still exists.

The main problem with our current system (in my not so humble opinion) is the court system is almost completely underfunded. The result is people come here and claim asylum, which is legal, and they get scheduled for a hearing usually 2 or 3 years later. Since we also don't have housing for a couple of million people waiting for their hearing, they are released and instructed to come back on their hearing date.

We need an overhaul of the court system, so someone comes in, they have 1 week to prepare their case, and they get a hearing. If they can stay they are given asylum, if their claim is denied they should be deported.

The problem with that is that it might actually work, but then the politicians would lose that talking point at the next election.

Just like the mass shooting issue. It could be fixed, but it won't be. That is another talking point politicians can run on. They have to keep us hating each other in order to stay in office.

Actually, there is a machine that can pick tomatoes. It is a large capital expense that the land owners are reluctant to pay because they have cheap human labor. But, if they did make that capital investment, in the long term tomatoes would be cheaper to the consumer.
..........The US is on the verge of using A.I. and robotics to transform just about all industries - even McDonalds'. So, if the US government was planning ahead, it would want to restrict immigration to the legal variety and mainly "rocket -scientist-types".

Then the question becomes, is it better to shoot it with a semi-automatic rifle or a bolt-action? Or beat it to death with a pitching wedge?

If you are interested in real information about AI and its impact on the labor force, I highly recommend Stanford University's HAI program. You can go to their site or just go to Youtube and search. It is an international program that discusses current events and trends and predictions on when and where and how much various employment positions will be affected.

It also has discussions with leaders in major employment industries on what can be done to minimize the impact on existing employees.

LOTS of good information, but don't look for sound bites. Most discussions are hours long.

And why is it some want threads closed that are still in line with the rules?

If you don't like a thread you don't have to click on it. If there are a lot of posts, it would seem to me that means some people still find it interesting. If you don't like a poster, you can block them.

Well, Australia found a way to collect all the semi-auto rifles. I saw a TV clip in the 80s of rifles on a conveyor belt going to a shredder. Then their MASS MURDERS dropped to about zero. So, I know that it can be done........and Australia is a lot like the US. And Canada is planning to ban all pistols and military-style semi-automatic rifles. I will be curious to see HOW they do it.
........."starve the beast" means to decrease the size of state and federal government. For what purpose? So, that the rich top 10% can pay lower taxes and eat more caviar while the middle and lower classes ACTUALLY ARE the BEASTS that get starved.........often literally! As the classes struggle against one another, America becomes weaker and less patriotic. And RUSSIA loves it!

Legal US citizens would do hard work IF (and only if) they are adequately paid. Also, safe working conditions are necessary. Many farm employers get greedy and take advantage of their illegal workers by paying them lower than US citizens will work for and exposing them to unnecessarily dangerous and unhealthy conditions.
..........The employers are the problem, not the potential workers!

Thanks!

Well, partially. The issue is "adequately paid". Try working in the sun in southern CA or southern FL bent over for 8 hours, carrying heavy loads. It is hard physical work. Farmers would have to pay a lot more to get Americans to give up their unemployment and work the fields. The price of food would skyrocket.

On the other hand, being a liberal and being in favor of fair liberal wages, I agree with you, that the farm workers (actually everyone) should be paid better, even potentially a "living wage" for the area. Of course, there are consequences for paying higher wages, that being shoppers have to pay higher prices to cover it. BUT, for farm goods, I think I read the other day that $0.15 of every dollar of the retail price of food goes to the farmer. So, assuming farm workers make up half of the farmer's burdened cost ( and it is NOT that high ), that only comes to $0.08 per dollar retail price, doubling what the workers are paid would only increase retail food prices - or an 8% increase in food prices at the retail store. 8% is a serious increase in food costs, but it is one time and not "sky rocketing".

Sadly, most companies when faced with increased production costs pass on more than the increase to the consumer - you know might as well make a little extra - just look a the fossil fuel industry for an example.

King Rambler & Queen Rambler enjoy cutting and pasting lots of information to impress themselves...................not impressing anyone else.

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Why need to get rid of it we could be doing something better….:)

They found a way round that with all the assistance programs.

Rarely like we rarely here about it.

Allowing like ignoring immigration laws. Funny how some laws are enforced and others aren’t when it fitted agenda.

Migrant workers can get green card and have for nearly century no need to enter illegally.

Report her.

IMO couple on TOTV than never get banned

Naturally you would. But I bet have different view on 2016 right.

Nope I only need 1 shot. Besides bolt action rifle not good home defense weapon. Shotgun works much better.

Police don’t keep pumping round now they will be charged with excessive force and murder.

intensive screenings, raise the age to purchase a gun, no sale of assult weapons (use only for law enforcement and military)

assault weapons are not for sale now, assault-style weapons are for sale

significant difference