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transplanted 08-01-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1810941)
Phones with video cameras, along with GoPros and body cams have been fabulous at exposing peoples bad behaviors. No longer do we have to just take someones word about how an event went down. These are wonderful times in that respect.

I’ve been looking at some of the videos of bad policing -
OFFICERS SUED FOR SEARCHING VEHICLE DURING TRAFFIC STOP - YouTube is a great example of what bad policing looks like (it also explains why many people are so mistrusting of the police). They score all parties at the end of the video, police and public, and got me thinking why they couldn’t do that as part of an annual review process for individual police officers in general - namely review the captured videos over the year and rate their overall conduct. Then, just like in corporate America, bad performers who score an F could be weeded out by being put on a performance improvement plan. If they don't improve in the next 3-6 months they should be fired.

The main challenge I see is the tendency for some departments to protect their own, so I would suggest the ratings be performed by a separate team. The other problem are the police unions that get involved in protecting the bad apples (it may be that their time has come and gone too). But it would be great for the many good cops whose reputations are tarnished by the incompetent cops who do no-one any good, especially the public. And it would help repair the damage that the recent exposure of bad behavior has done. Only then will the community trust the police again.

And what would you suggest be done about the civilians who file false reports against police officers?

tvbound 08-01-2020 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1811234)
175 views.....6 posts.

I suppose this could be viewed as an example of the silent majority.....being silent?

If folks do not participate when anonymous, most certainly can't expect anymore when there is a need to stand and be counted.

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I watched the video after it was posted and chose not to comment. Why? Because I was disgusted with the cops bullying and condescending attitude and wanted to let my blood pressure lower a bit before saying anything that might get me in trouble. That young man deserves a big pat on the back, for keeping his cool during an obvious made up reason (we know this, because the driver had already called his mom and said that cops were following him prior to the turn) to pull him over for nothing more than "driving while being a young black male" and the cop trying to get a rise out of him while being on his power trip. The really sad part is that all too many of us white people won't see anything wrong with these cops actions in this incident and yet if it were your kid who was profiled and treated like this (especially if it was a black officer talking to a white kid like was done), you should be outraged, if you're any type of good parent that is. I hope the family wins their lawsuit, solely for the main purpose that they can force the Louisville police department to start properly training their force.

jebartle 08-02-2020 04:25 AM

Every profession has it's bad apples, BUT no one should be profiled by the color of their skin, period. This is a tumultuous time to be a LEO. I pray for their safety.

amexsbow 08-02-2020 07:16 AM

As a retired L.E.O. I feel sad for the haters. I and every other officer who served had people spit, urinate, hit, lie, cry and do whatever they could to degrade, evade or attack us while performing our job. How many of you can say the same? Yet you would denigrate each and every one of us by your ad hominem attacks on the police, all the while supporting the organized campaign to cripple law enforcement in its defense of our nation by leftists and socialists who want the destruction of our country and our way of life. Yes America has flaws, but what country can you name which has more freedoms and more opportunity to succeed by sheer will of the individual.

Byte1 08-02-2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1811918)
As a retired L.E.O. I feel sad for the haters. I and every other officer who served had people spit, urinate, hit, lie, cry and do whatever they could to degrade, evade or attack us while performing our job. How many of you can say the same? Yet you would denigrate each and every one of us by your ad hominem attacks on the police, all the while supporting the organized campaign to cripple law enforcement in its defense of our nation by leftists and socialists who want the destruction of our country and our way of life. Yes America has flaws, but what country can you name which has more freedoms and more opportunity to succeed by sheer will of the individual.

Thank you for your service. I have never in my 70 years had a "BAD" incident with a law enforcement officer. I have been stopped and ticketed (professionally) and deserved both tickets I have had in total. AND, I have deserved many more. I had one incident on a major highway where my old car threw a piston right out of the engine block and I had two children with me in my car. A state trooper stopped to assist me, saw how the car was useless and offered me his advice. He said for me to take my tags off it and anything else I wanted from the car and let it be towed away to a junk yard. He then gave us a ride to a relative's home ten miles away.
Other than fiction TV, I have never seen any indication of racial bias or police brutality. I am sure that there has been racial bias in law enforcement, but if so the individuals have kept it covered by professionalism, courtesy and kindness. Something else that folks do not take into consideration, but is reality and fact that an individual can be a racist and still be a good citizen. Meaning, being biased does not have to interfere with how one performs their job. In Vietnam, I knew guys that hated the enemy, yet when the enemy was taken prisoner those same guys treated them with complete professionalism. You cannot force a change in one's likes or dislikes, but how one performs his/her job can still be performed in a manner where you would not know the difference. A doctor treats a killer's gunshot wound. He does not allow his anger or hate interfere with his performance. He does just as good a job as he would a child or a priest.

Dave@TV 08-02-2020 08:42 PM

The other side
 
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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1810941)
Phones with video cameras, along with GoPros and body cams have been fabulous at exposing peoples bad behaviors. No longer do we have to just take someones word about how an event went down. These are wonderful times in that respect.

I’ve been looking at some of the videos of bad policing - .

Did you look up any videos showing the other side - POs being attacked by people they're trying to question or take into custody? There are a lot of those videos out there, too, but strangely, you never see them on the news. Look at some of those videos and you will see how POs put their lives on the line every day. I agree there are some bad cops out there and they should be weeded out, but there are a lot of bad people out there that need to be dealt with, also.

Byte1 08-04-2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave@TV (Post 1812165)
Did you look up any videos showing the other side - POs being attacked by people they're trying to question or take into custody? There are a lot of those videos out there, too, but strangely, you never see them on the news. Look at some of those videos and you will see how POs put their lives on the line every day. I agree there are some bad cops out there and they should be weeded out, but there are a lot of bad people out there that need to be dealt with, also.

A possible example is when Floyd was arrested. He was put into the police car and while the police officers were dealing with the other two individuals, he escaped from the vehicle. That is when things got serious. Interesting that that video was not released to try to explain more details of the incident. There is always videos that spotlight the mistakes made by law enforcement, but how often do you get to see the other side and how the suspect is acting?


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