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Yes that will work just like the cars that kill people

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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 2099467)

So 22 pages on this thread later, the same old same old is regurgitated. What is the problem that is trying to be solved here? School shootings? Ok, if that is the only problem that will stop children from being slaughtered in schools, then you must take away ALL guns, not just semi-automatics. You can't argue that bolt action rifles are ok since children are just as dead when shot with a bolt action rifle. You even get the benefit of ending shootings in major urban areas if no one can have a gun. Or does shooting children/people only matter when it is a mass shooting event?

LET"S DO IT!

Now what? Now what?

Do we wait for the next mass murder of children to take away THAT tool, or should we be proactive? What tool? How about a car? Oh my, cars are not designed to kill, nope can't take them away. Hmmmm....so if evil, or someone with mental issues decides that they can kill as many children by ramming them down with a car in the playground, is that going to be ok? While this did not happen on a playground, a "mass killing" event recently happened using a car. Remember Darrell Brooks? If you don't remember him, he was the person arrested for the Waukesha Christmas Parade tragedy (link). How about the suicidal person who decides to load up a car with fertilizer as part of a bomb and decides to take out a school bus?

So go ahead, focus on the tool currently used and take away guns. Do you really think that will stop someone who is bent on murder from finding another way to kill?

Or how about narrowing the focus and finding out WHY and what we can do better to reduce the WHY? More laws aren't the answer if existing laws don't work. WHY don't they work? WHY do the rights of people who need mental help supersede the rights of children to live?

Everyday we do risk analysis. When you get in a car, fly on a plane, EVEN TAKING prescription medicine you assess the risk and either accept it or not. Face it, living REQUIRES risk, it is impossible to eliminate all risk.

Back and forth.

It is obvious that we can't TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS. So, even suggesting it is just being intentionally confrontational.

We can at least attempt to control the access. We can make some attempt to keep guns in the hands of responsible gun owners.

It is harder to get a drivers license in many states than it is to get as many guns as you want. In Texas the criteria seems to be, you are 18, breathing, have a load of money to spend, and no "known" criminal background involving shooting kids in schools.

Over and over people are saying, things that WONT work.

But, few or none are making suggestions of what might help. Just HELP - not perfect, not a solution. Every single person here that has explained in great detail why the things that are being proposes won't work, and not offering solutions themselves, are telling the parents "sucks to be you, we can't stop the murdering of your children".

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Originally Posted by Dantes (Post 2099490)

Yes that will work just like the cars that kill people

How many cars have been used to murder children in their classrooms at school?

I wait while you look up the answer since you seem to think this post will contribute to saving children lives.

It seems almost every week another shooting kills more kids, and what do we have to offer as a sign to the parents that we care at all? Sarcasm? Children are dying. They are being murdered. Can we please argue about the color of peoples skin, or the cause of poverty, or wars, or stupid politicians, and for the sake of our children TRY to find something that will HELP. Not SOVLE, just help.

The greatest country on earth and we can't even set aside politics long enough to TRY and find a way to reduce the number of kids being murdered.

The Judge is on His throne and we will all stand before Him one day. Things would be a whole lot different if the Holy Bible were once again used as a text book in our school rooms.

Parochial schools notwithstanding, I don’t recall the Bible being used as a text book in schools but I am only in my mid 60s.

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Originally Posted by chuckpedrey (Post 2099497)

The Judge is on His throne and we will all stand before Him one day. Things would be a whole lot different if the Holy Bible were once again used as a text book in our school rooms.

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2099457)

But would agree with the policies on treatment of individuals with mental problems and the criminals laws of the past that kept a lid on this sort of carnage ?

I am for Americans coming together and finding things to try to reduce this problem. If we just enact things that reduce the deaths by 10% each year. Every year, one more thing, in ten years we would have solved the problem. But, we are now 20 years into this, since Columbine, and every single step is a fight. American's arguing about taking away cars and fertilizer instead of making productive suggestions on things that might help. Instead it seems that if. solution isn't perfect. If you can't guarantee it will stop 100% of the murders and not affect anyones access to guns - then the children's lives are not worth even trying.

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Originally Posted by chuckpedrey (Post 2099497)

The Judge is on His throne and we will all stand before Him one day. Things would be a whole lot different if the Holy Bible were once again used as a text book in our school rooms.

Whose bible do you think we should use for indoctrinating our children? And lets not talk about the awesome success of Theocracies in solving violence - does the inquisition, or the Crusades bring anything to mind? Mass murdering and torture.

If you want to practice religious beliefs, I am 100% in favor of that If you want to force me and my children to practice YOUR religious beliefs - how is that freedom of speech? How is that freedom of Religion?

The problem is MAN MADE, and the solution will be MAN MADE.

defund the C I A
Investigate the psychotropic drugs the mass shooters are taking.

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2098795)

Almost correct.

Hunters in Japan can have guns.

The low murder rate is culture driven, not gun control driven.

That's your opinion. The facts show that the less guns, the less gun-related deaths.

Chicken. Put police back in schools.

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2099457)

But would agree with the policies on treatment of individuals with mental problems and the criminals laws of the past that kept a lid on this sort of carnage ?

no, but that's a whole other can of worms. the cruelty involved in these sanitariums were inhumane, certainly, but the solution to simply release them is insane. if this is how things are in the US today, the ONLY thing that will stop this is security. no unauthorized personnel allowed with verification. we had to do it @ my kid's high school, was no big thing. you ring a bell, the camera sees who you are, & office staff buzz you in. not perfect, but it was a start

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2099503)

I am for Americans coming together and finding things to try to reduce this problem. If we just enact things that reduce the deaths by 10% each year. Every year, one more thing, in then years we would have solved the problem. But, we are now 20 years into this, since Columbine, and every single step is a fight. American's arguing about taking about cars and fertilizer instead of making productive suggestions on things that might help. Instead it seems that if. solution isn't perfect. If you can't guarantee it will stop 100% of the murders and not affect anyones access to guns - then the children's lives are not worth even trying.

Not sure I saw an answer to my question ? We should come together and turn the clock back regarding criminal justice and how mental problems are dealt with to the point where these things were just about unheard of ? and access to weapons was , at least by todays standards, very easy ?

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2099493)

How many cars have many used to murder children in their classrooms at school?

I wait while you look up the answer since you seem to think this post will contribute to saving children lives.

It seems almost every week another shooting kills more kids, and what do we have to offer as a sign to the parents that we care at all? Sarcasm? Children are dying. They are being murdered. Can we please argue about the color of peoples skin, or the cause of poverty, or wars, or stupid politicians, and for the sake of our children TRY to find something that will HELP. Not SOVLE, just help.

The greatest country on earth and we can't even set aside politics long enough to TRY and find a way to reduce the number of kids being murdered.

well, maybe not @ school, but there's been reports of nut cases plowing thru pedestrians, wasn't 1 in wisconsin @ some sort of holiday celebration? then some other crazy guy in times square. again, i insist security is the answer. we simply must stop crazy people with guns from accessing schools

an added thought: what about the case of sandy hook? the kid was obvious unbalanced just by looking @ him, but his mother bought them for him, as gifts, yet! how do we begin to control THAT? she even took him target shooting!

Texas lawmen, Big hats, Big boots, Big swagger , Big nothing, they had to wait till they had an army , when as soon as the first law men on the grounds should have been banging at that door not waiting for help