I know, it is easier to follow the path of least resistance rather than take on deteriorating moral standards in society, so we just stick our fingers in our ears and yell, LaLaLaLaLa, I can't hear you! It requires brave action to take on the people who always find a contrived excuse for evil people and their actions. Evil people with a diabolical need to cause death and destruction will find a way to do so even in the absence of guns.

If we keep allowing immoral, violent and evil people to perform these deeds, without challenge, what do you think this world will devolve to? Burry our heads in the sand and pretend all is well.

That is what is SAD.

At one point he exchanged gunfire with several of the local police officers. They felt outgunned so they fell back and waited. This was their mistake. My point is that IF there were only single shot or bolt action rifles available to mass murderers anywhere in the US, then they would be firing SLOWER and they could more EASILY be stopped a group of adults close by. There would be more time for potential victims to run or hide. And if magazines were limited to less than 5 rounds that would slow a mass murderer down.
........As the laws exist today, the would-be murderer can fire his semi-auto at about 1 round per second and for up to 30 rounds before a magazine change. Anything that can be done by a law change to slow him down, should be done. Also not allowing civilians to get body armor would help. Canada is contemplating changes right now.
.........If the current rate of mass murders continues, the US people might get so angry that they over-react on gun safety. I would rather end up like Australia than Japan as far as gun safety goes.
..........Open carry is a great example of over-reacting in the wrong direction. There is a great chance of that backfiring.

In Japanese society there are no square pegs, only round pegs and round holes. Deviance from the established societal norm is viewed critically and those people are marginalized. That is one of the reasons for the extremely high suicide rate in their society. Unlike the U.S. and European countries, the Japanese society is pretty much only Japanese and not multicultural. They don't have to contend with cultural differences. I have also read that the Japanese judicial system, in the instances of a murder/suicide, count the victims as suicides. Gives the image of a lower homicide rate.

Do some research on Japanese prisons, they are extremely regimented and by most western standards, practice brutal control methods to maintain order. Accused and convicted and imprisoned criminals do not get to see an attorney when they want. The police/prison officials determine when a prisoner is allowed counsel. There is no Miranda Warning either. Coerced confessions are quite common and rarely challenged.

If 30 small children threw objects at an adult with a bolt-action rifle, the children might get lucky and some escape.

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& if he had a bow & arrow............

a shooter is not going to use a b-a rifle
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I can see I’m not going to get the last rant on this subject….:faint:

In Viet Nam the infantry soldier had to hump for miles in sweltering jungle conditions carrying his ammo basic load, rifle and a rucksack loaded down with other necessities. In the Sand Box soldiers humped in temperatures like an oven, carrying even more equipment than the Viet Nam vets. Some rucksacks could top 80 lbs. in weight. This demonstrated the advantages of a lightweight rifle shooting a light caliber round.

All your points are germane to a soldier in combat. None of this provided an advantage in any the school shootings or other shootings involving the AR15. All of them simply walked in an unguarded, unwatched door from their parked vehicle. The difference in ammo weight means nothing either.

The round the Model 1907 uses is similar in capability to the venerable 30-30 Winchester but both are capable rounds for deer withing their range limitation. The recoil from a .351 and time needed to get back on target really causes no limitation in rate of fire when the shooter is in a small classroom with children huddled in a corner. The .351 will more than likely penetrate 2 or more small statured children where as the 5.56 will most likely be stopped by one body. The .351 will inflict much more grievous wounds than the AR15 bullet. Typical ammo for the .351 is soft nose hunting ammo that is designed to expand when it hits flesh or bone, creating a large wound channel to cause a quick bleed out and death. The 5.56 is an effective round but it doesn't "explode", that is urban myth and it cannot create the devastating wounds the .351 can cause.

These "significant differences" mean nothing outside of the combat environment.

This is very true, but, do we need to make it easy for them.?

Why didn't you also mention the ANTIFA and BLM riots where over $2 Billion in destroyed property and a number of murders. Did they not take over police stations, a whole city block and vandalize office buildings of various levels of government? Were these not acts of anarchism and sedition.?

A dozen armed officers did not stop the one shooter. Yet you expect a teacher to go head to head with a ten high on adrenaline, firing two semiautomatic, when the teach is armed with one.

Who do you think the shooter is going to target first. When the shoot comes into the room unexpected and fires as fire as possible at the teacher. Do you want to be standing at the black board with your back to the classroom door?

I expect the main result of arming teachers is most teacher will quit.

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You watch too much television. It will still require a steel barrel and other steel parts to safely fire a bullet, which any metal detector will pick up.

Universal checks won't have any impact on criminals. For the most part they steal them, buy them from an illegal seller of guns or use a straw purchaser. A straw purchaser is usually a family member or significant other who isn't a prohibited person. This person legally buys the gun and completes a background check, takes possession of the gun and then gives it to the prohibited individual. How will a universal check counter that?

One needs to truly understand the reasons that these crazy shooters slip thru the cracks, again and again.

Google things like.. The Continuing Need to Rethink Discipline

It's not rocket science or brain surgery.

How would a waiting period have stopped the shooter in New Mexico? He purchased the rifles days before the shooting. I don't know of any school shootings where the shooter did his killing the same day as buying the gun.

So what are the things they are doing in these other countries? Please don't say gun bans stop violence, there are still knives, bludgeons, fists, feet and any number of potential weapons. What are their assault rates with these weapons? If those rates are lower than ours, how does a gun ban cause that?

I guess removing the evil talisman guns also removes the evil spirits that force a sane person to become evil.