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John41 08-24-2020 09:51 PM

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billyb1950 08-25-2020 04:44 AM

You're right...as in past situations like these, MSM would likely portray him as an upstanding member of the church choir, valedictorian of his class, and a volunteer in the community, all while showing innocent photos of him in his youth.

camaguey48 08-25-2020 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1822287)
Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!

George was a career criminal. Look up his record. Not a choir boy.

Tell us more about Darius Sessoms, the man who murdered five year old Cannon Hannin in Wilson, N.C. On August 9th. Are you ok with that?

Love2Swim 08-25-2020 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1822287)
Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!

Agree. Its pretty clear what they mindset is. This country has a long way to go. No wonder people of color get upset. This has been going on for hundreds of years. Rioting and looting is wrong, but I can understand why they feel as they do - the frustration, the feeling of powerlessness.

Love2Swim 08-25-2020 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1822252)
There just has to be more than what was seen on the video, or even reported as this started as a domestic dispute, so I'll wait to hear a lot more facts before judging what looks right now to me, like an out of control and scared officer trying to murder him. To justify 7 shots, point blank, into the back of an unarmed man however, it is going to take an awful lot to convince me to even imagine this being justified. As for whatever prior record he had, that has absolutely nothing to do with what the officer did (that's for a jury or judge at the time of any potential sentencing) and it's sad to think that anyone would feel otherwise. I am amazed that the guy is even still alive at this point, so I'm hoping for a full recovery so that our justice system can work like it's supposed to. I am also hoping that people allow the system to work and they don't start rioting, looting or setting things on fire. If they do, they need to be arrested and prosecuted fully.

I agree. I'm really shocked that people see a person's prior record as an excuse to shoot them, and we don't even know if the police were aware of his record at the time of the shooting. And speaking of records, supposed it was a white woman who was a prostitute, instead of a black man with a history of third degree spousal abuse? Should she be treated differently because of the type of crime she committed? Or are police going to treat a car thief differently? Or how about a businessman who committed fraud? If it was a white guy in a suit going back to check on his children would they have been so quick to pump 7 shots into his BACK? I think if we are honest we know the answer to that question.

Tom2172 08-25-2020 05:37 AM

Can’t use race to identify criminal suspects
Yet Police shootings when the criminal puts the police & public’s lives in danger
Race is pushed As the factor.
Never that the criminal suspect resisted arrest and put lives in danger

Girlcopper 08-25-2020 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1821928)
Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

And when the video was slowed down, it can be seen he has something hidden in his hand. Would you want to be in that officers place and have to make a split second decision? Go home in one piece to his family and get fired and possibly charged or be dead. Ill take fired anyday

Stu from NYC 08-25-2020 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1822370)
And when the video was slowed down, it can be seen he has something hidden in his hand. Would you want to be in that officers place and have to make a split second decision? Go home in one piece to his family and get fired and possibly charged or be dead. Ill take fired anyday

These people never see it from the officers side. They do need to see your hands to know you are not a threat to them.

Mardarlowe 08-25-2020 05:53 AM

The man decided to ignore the policeman repeatedly. He paid the price. Move on.

jimh123 08-25-2020 06:48 AM

Yea for the Police !!! Doing their Job ! ALL Lives Matter !

Slapnut 08-25-2020 06:52 AM

There would have been no report from the news if it was a white man. Just like no news reports regarding rioting and looting. The news only reports what they want. It's a shame

skyking 08-25-2020 07:00 AM

If I am in the same position and being unfairly harassed by the police, I will do exactly as instructed and file my complaint the next day.

Each of these victims had one thing in common. Stupidity.

oneclickplus 08-25-2020 07:10 AM

He earned that
 
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1821928)
Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

He earned those bullets no matter what color his skin. He wasn't a black man shot. He was a non-cooperative criminal who refused to keep his hands in plain view and proceeded to ignore lawful orders and reached into his vehicle for (who knows what). Police shouldn't have to wait to see if he pulls out a weapon. Shooting was in self-defense. Glad he is gone from the planet. Too bad for those kids though. And, too bad for all the innocent people who have to deal with more BLM BS.

Heyitsrick 08-25-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1822323)
Why aren't we all outraged about the increase in violence in America. Last weekend 64 people were shot across Chicago, seven of them fatally. A 12-year-old boy and six teenagers were among those wounded.

In New York CIty at least 45 people were shot, eight fatally, since Friday.

Six people were shot, one killed in weekend shootings across Portland.

Why aren't we outraged about this? Why isn't this the lead story on national news? Why aren't we trying to understand and reduce violence in our cities.

Why is the media laser focused on 1 police shooting in Kenosha, WI when 64 + 45 + 6 people were shot and 16 were killed in just 3 cities over the weekend?

You're exactly right, of course. And we don't have to look far to see people who just can't wait to go on another anti-police rant, yet couldn't care less about the overwhelming numbers of shootings/killings that are primarily black-on-black crimes. Those lives don't matter to activists, celebrities, and some online who just revel in looking for the worst in law enforcement, and perpetuating stereotypes. It's pretty pathetic.

Love2Swim 08-25-2020 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1822417)
You're exactly right, of course. And we don't have to look far to see people who just can't wait to go on another anti-police rant, yet couldn't care less about the overwhelming numbers of shootings/killings that are primarily black-on-black crimes. Those lives don't matter to activists, celebrities, and some online who just revel in looking for the worst in law enforcement, and perpetuating stereotypes. It's pretty pathetic.

What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-25-2020 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1822037)
To take the racial focus off the shooting....all police involved shootings that day should be reported.
Secondly all non police shootings listed for that day as well.

The medias continual, selective race reporting/promoting needs to be put into the perspective of reality VS selective out of context, sensationalism seeking, disruptive reporting.

We'd need a separate 24 hour a day channel to report all of the shootings in this country every day. There were 59 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. There are hundreds and perhaps thousands of shootings every day in this country. I'm sure they are all reported locally. In order to report them all, we'd need a national clearing house for shootings.

MandoMan 08-25-2020 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1821928)
Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

Kenosha, Wisconsin. Proud home of the late American Motors Corporation. Ramblers! My first car was a used 1963 Rambler American. I loved it. Then the company closed down, and life got a lot harder for a lot of laid off employees, a couple generations ago. So to some extent, this shooting happened because we bought Japanese cars instead of Ramblers.

I’ve watched this video about ten times, and I think we need a lot more information. I don’t know that the officers had any idea who was in the back seat of that nice SUV, as the windows had dark tinting. Why is that even allowed? No wonder cops are nervous about traffic stops with windows like that.

It seems pretty clear that the officers had been talking to this guy on the other side of the SUV before he strode around to the driver’s door while being ordered to halt. Had they asked for his driver’s license and car registration? Perhaps he didn’t have his wallet in his pocket. Perhaps it was in a console compartment in the car, and he was reaching for it. Perhaps it was on the passenger seat. Perhaps the passenger door was locked (that often happens if the car is running, and this one may have been, as the windows were closed and there were kids in the back).

Had the police run the license plate number? Did they know the guy’s record? Did they thus have reason to fear that he might be armed?

Both officers had drawn their weapons before the video begins, it seems. This is pretty unusual. Had they done that because they had been told to assume the guy (sorry, but I don’t recall his name) was armed and dangerous? Did they draw because before the video began, he seemed prone to violence? We don’t know. Had they ordered him to the ground, and he refused? If his kids were in the car, worry about them could be a factor, and perhaps the officers, as I said, didn’t know.

So the officers follow the guy around the SUV. To me they look terrified. I could be wrong, but they look scared of this guy who wasn’t complying. He leans into the car to grab something. Could it be a black wallet? My wallet is black. Not unusual. But to them it looks like a gun, and one officer, terrified, starts shooting, and the other joins in, perhaps assuming the first cop may have seen a gun. But it seems there was no gun.

I’m sure this is a nightmare situation for the officers. They had to have known this would destroy their careers, ruin their lives, before they fired. If you have fired handguns, you know that when you have leaned deep into a car, across the driver’s seat, steering wheel in the way, left hand on the seat, it takes awhile to straighten, turn, swing a gun, and fire, even if you are unusually fast. Maybe you’d hit your head on the roof. Maybe the gun would get tangled in the steering wheel. Maybe you would shoot yourself in the foot. Try it and see! It’s a lot slower than drawing and shooting from a standing position. So really, even if this guy was fast, the officers had adequate time to wait until they had clearly seen a gun in his hand before shooting. He couldn’t shoot from that bent over and in the SUV position and hit the cops. He could straighten and begin swinging his gun and the cops could still shoot him many times before he could fire. After all, their guns were already drawn and pointing at him.

So, it seems to me that these officers were terrified, and this led to what seems to me to be a shooting that could have been avoided. Indeed, maybe the entire incident could have been avoided. We don’t know yet. Certainly, the guy resisting the police did not show much wisdom in his actions. How could he not know he was putting his life in danger?

I don’t think these officers will be found guilty of attempted homicide in any degree, but I think they will lose their jobs. Meanwhile, nothing that happened here is justification for rioting, arson, looting, or destruction of property.

billethkid 08-25-2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1822425)
We'd need a separate 24 hour a day channel to report all of the shootings in this country every day. There were 59 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. There are hundreds and perhaps thousands of shootings every day in this country. I'm sure they are all reported locally. In order to report them all, we'd need a national clearing house for shootings.

Hence the point ..... selective, agenda based reporting of "...another police shooting...".

Rsenholzi 08-25-2020 07:39 AM

This is not true. look at the dates of the media coverage , none of the media picked up the story until 4 to 7 days after the persons death. They are only doing it as a result of the outrage on Facebook of the media ignoring all of the deaths. They are blacking out the deaths or beatings of white people if they can get away with it. It is a form of reverse discrimination

Scorpyo 08-25-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1822370)
And when the video was slowed down, it can be seen he has something hidden in his hand. Would you want to be in that officers place and have to make a split second decision? Go home in one piece to his family and get fired and possibly charged or be dead. Ill take fired anyday

You’re missing the point. There’s a new law. Perpetrators are innocent until proven guilty. Cops are guilty period. Even after proven innocent.

meridian5850 08-25-2020 08:01 AM

If your haven't already seen this, take a look.

Activist critical of police undergoes use of force scenarios - YouTube


dewilson58 08-25-2020 08:01 AM

"Drop the knife"

Suzieque 08-25-2020 08:08 AM

I agree. I would like to see statistics on how many white people don't listen to police versus black people.

Stu from NYC 08-25-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1822477)
"Drop the knife"

Some years ago did a workshop with Roanoke police that simulates what officers go thru during training including traffic stops.

Have to be very careful as who knows what the person you are stopping is capable of. Interesting if they first called in license and knew they were dealing with person with violent past.

Suzieque 08-25-2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1822223)
"As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range."

I can't imagine the thinking behind his decision to check on his kids while the police were pointing guns at him. I'm sure they were also giving him commands to follow.

I will not rush to judgment on whether the cop acted properly or not.

I can say that I wouldn't want to be the officer that felt the need to shoot Mr Blake. I can imagine the fear of the situation. A man clearly disregarding my commands as I point my gun at him and goes around his vehicle, opens the drivers door and reaches inside as I pull at his shirt. Now I have to decide if I want to wait and see what he's reaching for and hope it's not a gun. If it's a gun I'll probably get shot, if he's just taking this moment to check on his kids then I'll be in a lot of trouble. If I shoot I'm a bad cop, if I don't I could be a dead cop.

If I was a cop, I would quit my job. I would not want people like Mr Blake putting me in this situation because he wanted to go check on his kids while 3 cops have guns pointed at him.

I have defended blm and stand against racism where racism exists but I don't defend the actions of people that put our police officers in dangerous situations so they can call it racism, for a money grab or whatever.

Hopefully the investigation will exonerate the police and Mr Blake will recover fully.

well said!

gcanonge 08-25-2020 08:35 AM

This was not VERY WELL COVERED! It was very one sided as most of these shootings are!

Dana1963 08-25-2020 08:42 AM

Same Police Department in Wisconsin shot and killed a white Son in front of his mother and sibling upon over reaction of police. https://www.channel3000.com/man-whos...-investigated/

TooColdNJ 08-25-2020 08:43 AM

Racism in the US
 
The recent shooting in Wisconsin just reconfirmed the need for changes in the police departments all over the country. That doesn’t mean that Blue Lives don’t matter to me. This is not a political discussion- I’m just trying to understand how/why this could have happened. Doesn’t the fact that seven officers responding to the call in the first place tell us something?

I was disgusted watching Jacob Blake, after breaking up a fight between two women, being shot seven times in the back at close range while his three sons in the car watched. How can anyone refute the fact that there’s systemic racism in this country, and the first place to start repairing it is in the police departments?

santiagobob 08-25-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1822210)
In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a
tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.

There was no mention of a weapon of any kind in Blake's car. But there were 3 small children in the car, what responsible police officer would fire seven times into a car with 3 children in it? Any of the rounds could have ricocheted and killed one or more of the children.Shooting someone in the back has always been considered a cowardly act and is normally called murder.

dewilson58 08-25-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1822510)
Doesn’t the fact that seven officers responding to the call in the first place tell us something?


Tells me a lot.

rjn5656 08-25-2020 08:49 AM

I am not sure it is racism. It is about the violence that is rampant among society. Fights, robberies, gun shed, etc. Cops are scared to death to respond to a call.

Byte1 08-25-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1822414)
He earned those bullets no matter what color his skin. He wasn't a black man shot. He was a non-cooperative criminal who refused to keep his hands in plain view and proceeded to ignore lawful orders and reached into his vehicle for (who knows what). Police shouldn't have to wait to see if he pulls out a weapon. Shooting was in self-defense. Glad he is gone from the planet. Too bad for those kids though. And, too bad for all the innocent people who have to deal with more BLM BS.

Exactly!!! Well put! I am also glad that he cannot put anyone else in harms way. The only disagreement I have with what you said is "too bad for the kids though." This is probably best for the kids, since he was a cretin anyway and an embarrassment to those kids.

Interesting how the media does not just say a suspect was shot, rather than a BLACK suspect was shot by the police. It is almost as if they are inciting folks to violence so they have a better news story.

Byte1 08-25-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822420)
What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.

Thanks to the NRA and it's training, we DO have "gun control" in this country. Gun control is controlled breathing, sight alignment and squeeze don't jerk the trigger. :boom:

Considering the very few police shootings in this country, it's amazing that they have enough control to rarely EVER hit an innocent bystander. Can't say that for the perps.

Kenswing 08-25-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822420)
What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.

My guns are always under control. What is pathetic is the lack of criminal control in this country..

Stu from NYC 08-25-2020 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1822532)
My guns are always under control. What is pathetic is the lack of criminal control in this country..

Everyone we know who owns guns has them safely locked away.

I do not think that assault weapons should be legal.

mamamia54 08-25-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1822223)
"As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range."

I can't imagine the thinking behind his decision to check on his kids while the police were pointing guns at him. I'm sure they were also giving him commands to follow.

I will not rush to judgment on whether the cop acted properly or not.

I can say that I wouldn't want to be the officer that felt the need to shoot Mr Blake. I can imagine the fear of the situation. A man clearly disregarding my commands as I point my gun at him and goes around his vehicle, opens the drivers door and reaches inside as I pull at his shirt. Now I have to decide if I want to wait and see what he's reaching for and hope it's not a gun. If it's a gun I'll probably get shot, if he's just taking this moment to check on his kids then I'll be in a lot of trouble. If I shoot I'm a bad cop, if I don't I could be a dead cop.

If I was a cop, I would quit my job. I would not want people like Mr Blake putting me in this situation because he wanted to go check on his kids while 3 cops have guns pointed at him.

I have defended blm and stand against racism where racism exists but I don't defend the actions of people that put our police officers in dangerous situations so they can call it racism, for a money grab or whatever.

Hopefully the investigation will exonerate the police and Mr Blake will recover fully.

The video I saw on the news doesn’t show him walking away. It shows him reaching in his car. How are the police supposed to know what he is reaching for. It’s a split second decision. Like my dad always said he was told in WWII “it’s kill or be killed”. I don’t really like or condone violence or murder, but we need to put ourselves in the officers shoes. Another saying I like
If you haven’t walked in my shoes, don’t act like they fit you.

Byte1 08-25-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by santiagobob (Post 1822513)
There was no mention of a weapon of any kind in Blake's car. But there were 3 small children in the car, what responsible police officer would fire seven times into a car with 3 children in it? Any of the rounds could have ricocheted and killed one or more of the children.Shooting someone in the back has always been considered a cowardly act and is normally called murder.

Let's see; a known felon refuses instructions by the police and reaches into a car, possibly reaching for a gun to kill you. Perhaps you do not see the children in the car or in a moment of increased adrenaline you respond how you were trained. His back is turned but you may see something in his hand. You shoot but it happens so fast that he does not immediately seem to be hit or effected by the hurriedly fired bullets. Even though you are trained constantly to count your expended rounds, you forget in the moment and fire a couple more until he falls to the ground. Later, someone tells you that there were children in the car, and you panic as you wonder if any of them might have been hit by a stray bullet. In your mind, you go over the scenario over and over again to see if there might have been another way to handle it. It is easy to see AFTER the fact how it might have gone differently. NO ONE goes on patrol thinking that "today is a good day to shoot someone."

Someone I know was on patrol and got a call for a domestic. He responded knowing his closest backup was 20 minutes away. He pulled into the driveway, late at night and saw a man leaving the house with an AX in his hands, brandishing it in a threatening manner and moving toward him. He drew his weapon and demanded the man to drop the ax. Eventually, the man complied. The man was cuffed and put in the patrol car. The man had just put the ax in his wife's forehead.
Another incident where two men in a car were chased at speeds exceeding a hundred mph and eventually forced to a stop in a used car lot. Three officers surrounded the car and the two were ordered from the car. The passenger door was opened and the passenger immediately reached down between the door and his feet for something. A shiny silvery object reflected sun in his hands as he brought his hands in view. The officer on the passenger side, immediately drew his pistol and put it right against the suspect's head. He did not fire. The suspect raised his hand with a can of beer that would have spilled if he had not reached down quickly for it. No one was shot. The driver was removed to the ER with a head wound when he attempted to flee the police officer after tearing the officer's badge from his uniform and running. The officer struck him with his baton when he caught up with the fleeing suspect and the suspect had attempted to fight him. Both instances someone could have been shot, and the shootings would have been justified if the officers were the shooters.

Officers that work to protect us, also take tremendous risks every day. They wish to return home safely to their families. They deserve our support and ALWAYS the benefit of their service when we consider whether or not they responded properly to a situation.

Byte1 08-25-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1822550)
Everyone we know who owns guns has them safely locked away.

I do not think that assault weapons should be legal.

Perhaps if you defined "assault weapons" and how they relate to the subject?

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-25-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1822199)
Having a record does not allow you to be shot however it is rather remarkable that in all the police shootings we have seen the guy getting shot has a record a yard long.

Having said this if the police are guilty they deserve to be held accountable.

And this is an excuse for a new round of riots and destruction.

Basically this tells me that "all lives" don't really matter afterall. People with criminal records' lives don't matter. Not even if they are free after serving their sentence. Their lives don't matter. If their lives mattered, the cops wouldn't use their criminal history as an excuse to kill them.

And, since a person convicted and sentenced just ONCE is now branded as "mattering less" than everyone else, it's no wonder that they are repeat offenders.

ProfessorDave 08-25-2020 09:40 AM

Seven shots? In the back? Justified under any circumstance. WOW. Some people can justify anything.


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