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TooColdNJ 08-25-2020 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 1822602)
He opened his door and was reaching inside. The police had no idea what he was going to do next..
Exactly the point.

Stu from NYC 08-25-2020 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1822674)
You might be right. You think they would have acted any differently if the guy told them he had to check on his kids? If he would’ve told them the reason, which maybe he DID, they probably wouldn’t have believed him anyway.

No, his life shouldn’t be celebrated, but George Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. You see how well that worked. They didn’t care because he had a criminal record? That’s sad.
When you are stopped by the police you follow their directions. Why compare this to the Floyd case?

Wyseguy 08-25-2020 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1822013)
It seems to be very well covered in all media.

Always wonder the need to condemn those who report what is happening.
I have not seen his criminal record reported on CNN? First I am hearing of it. Not sure it should matter. His totally not following instructions and then reaching in a car would seem to make it justifiable.

Mrprez 08-25-2020 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1822676)
Exactly the point.
So, you think the police should wait and possibly be shot? Why can’t people just cooperate?

retiredguy123 08-25-2020 04:08 PM
I just watched the news conference conducted by the family attorneys. Looked like a fundraiser to me. No mention by the lawyers that the police officers are innocent until proven guilty. No mention that there was a warrant for Blakes's arrest and that he was resisting arrest. But, to me, the important thing is that what these lawyers are doing will do nothing to improve race relations. Just the opposite. Where are the black people shot by police who don't have a criminal record and don't resist arrest?

MDLNB 08-25-2020 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1822774)
Really??? Those kids are better of without a father because he was an embarrassment to them?? My father was an embarrassment to me... so I guess, according to you, that it’s best for me that he died. Those kids were lucky to have a dad, considering that there are many missing fathers in black communities. At least he took responsibility for them in some way. Maybe he changed his criminal ways. No criminals are ever rehabilitated?

No one knows his situation or the facts behind this incident, but many of you are pretty quick to judge that he was nothing more than another scumbag who didn’t listen and grabbed for a weapon— so he immediately deserved to die. If not, they didn’t have to put not one, but seven bullets in his back.

With all this said, maybe he did start to turn around with a weapon in his hand and it was a justified shooting. But for the police to assume that it was a weapon is not a reason to kill him. We just don’t have all the facts.

The kids have a chance to grow up with a better example now. He was a thug and a felon with a warrant out for his arrest. He brought the shooting on himself, so he got what he was due. Guess he got his rehabilitation, huh? Gonna be hard for him to commit crimes from a wheel chair.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-25-2020 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1822790)
The kids have a chance to grow up with a better example now. He was a thug and a felon with a warrant out for his arrest. He brought the shooting on himself, so he got what he was due. Guess he got his rehabilitation, huh? Gonna be hard for him to commit crimes from a wheel chair.
...and our tax dollars will be paying his medical, food, and shelter expenses for the rest of his life, because he is now disabled and unable to work. His family probably would've been better off if he had been killed, because now they have the burden of taking care of him. Which means THEY will have to not work, maybe not go to college. Medicaid doesn't cover life-long home-care 24/7.

The "better example" they have now, as opposed to last week, is that cops shoot daddies. Nice example.

Byte1 08-25-2020 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1822793)
...and our tax dollars will be paying his medical, food, and shelter expenses for the rest of his life, because he is now disabled and unable to work. His family probably would've been better off if he had been killed, because now they have the burden of taking care of him. Which means THEY will have to not work, maybe not go to college. Medicaid doesn't cover life-long home-care 24/7.

The "better example" they have now, as opposed to last week, is that cops shoot daddies. Nice example.
I'm sure that with a daddy like that, they probably already lived on welfare. At least the taxpayer's money will be going to keeping him off the street. Probably cheaper to keep him in jail though. At least we don't have to worry about him getting out of jail and starting another crime spree. Forced rehab.

jimjamuser 08-25-2020 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1822210)
In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.
I see a rationalization in that post.

PugMom 08-25-2020 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1822252)
There just has to be more than what was seen on the video, or even reported as this started as a domestic dispute, so I'll wait to hear a lot more facts before judging what looks right now to me, like an out of control and scared officer trying to murder him. To justify 7 shots, point blank, into the back of an unarmed man however, it is going to take an awful lot to convince me to even imagine this being justified. As for whatever prior record he had, that has absolutely nothing to do with what the officer did (that's for a jury or judge at the time of any potential sentencing) and it's sad to think that anyone would feel otherwise. I am amazed that the guy is even still alive at this point, so I'm hoping for a full recovery so that our justice system can work like it's supposed to. I am also hoping that people allow the system to work and they don't start rioting, looting or setting things on fire. If they do, they need to be arrested and prosecuted fully.
there is more. the 'media' didnt show us the video moments before the man was shot. he was physically fighting with police.

PugMom 08-25-2020 06:30 PM
am not saying he deserved 7 shots, but to be fair, this time i'd go with the police. george floyd was a entirely different case. floyd was already cuffed before they threw him to the ground

Bonnevie 08-25-2020 07:07 PM
My father was a policeman until he retired. he always said never take out your gun unless you intend to shoot it....meaning be very careful about when you do.I have my father's old nightstick that he carried while walking a beat. can't help but wonder if the cops still carried nightsticks if one of them could have used it on the guy while he was walking away. it's very hard wood and the old cops would hit behind the knees with it...very effective. I just don't understand with all those police there why it escalated like that. and I can't condone firing 7 shots into a car with children in it. he may not be the poster child for his race, but he's still a human being.

jimjamuser 08-25-2020 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1822790)
The kids have a chance to grow up with a better example now. He was a thug and a felon with a warrant out for his arrest. He brought the shooting on himself, so he got what he was due. Guess he got his rehabilitation, huh? Gonna be hard for him to commit crimes from a wheel chair.
That's harsh. Nobody should EVER judge anyone else THAT harsh.

coffeebean 08-25-2020 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1822210)
In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.
Has it been determined that Blake was reaching for a weapon in his car? In all the news reports I have seen, it has not been reported that he was reaching for a weapon in his car.

mamamia54 08-25-2020 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1822672)
Except, he didn't grab a gun. He didn't have a gun to grab. The policemen shot him anyway. Why are you okay with that?
The video shows him going into his car. How do they police know he wasn’t going to grab a gun. He should have just done what they requested. Now that we know his record and all the things he was arrested for and I think still has a warrant out for his arrest, I think it’s fair for the police to think he would be pulling a gun out.

coffeebean 08-25-2020 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1822248)
Than their is the old police expression, Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

If these people would only follow the officers instructions we would all be in a better place.
Truer words have not been spoken!

coffeebean 08-25-2020 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1822249)
Don’t you think you should take your own advice and wait for results of the investigation before jumping to conclusions?
Domestic abuser stops to breakup domestic dispute? Not likely.
Went to check on his kids. Were they under the seat?
Has it been reported that Blake looked under the seat?

coffeebean 08-25-2020 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Northerner52 (Post 1822270)
And there is no outrage or protesting when blacks kill blacks by the thousands??????
Or when black man kills a 5 year old white child who was riding his bike on the wrong grass?

Bikeracer2009 08-25-2020 08:13 PM
Mr Blake is officially a millionaire according to his go fund me page. He will no doubt also get a substantial settlement from his civil case. Hopefully his children will grow up and become successful, law abiding citizens.

Hopefully this type of monetary gain doesn't inspire others to fight with the police. It seems that becoming a dead hero or rich survivor are real possibilities if you fight with the police. If you don't fight you just go to jail and take your chances in court. Mr Blake was looking at a prison sentence for the charges he had already racked up so this may have motivated him to fight with the police?


I'm still open minded and as the facts come in I'll adjust my opinion.

coffeebean 08-25-2020 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822359)
I agree. I'm really shocked that people see a person's prior record as an excuse to shoot them, and we don't even know if the police were aware of his record at the time of the shooting. And speaking of records, supposed it was a white woman who was a prostitute, instead of a black man with a history of third degree spousal abuse? Should she be treated differently because of the type of crime she committed? Or are police going to treat a car thief differently? Or how about a businessman who committed fraud? If it was a white guy in a suit going back to check on his children would they have been so quick to pump 7 shots into his BACK? I think if we are honest we know the answer to that question.
A white guy in a suit would more than likely listen to the police and cooperate. Do not make the police feel threatened. That is they key to all these altercations with the police and it does not matter the color of the suspect's skin.

Northwoods 08-25-2020 08:40 PM
If you haven't seen Jacob Blake's mother speak at the press conference in Kenosha today, it's worth watching. She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve. She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:
Jacob Blake’s Mother Says Son Would be ‘Unpleased’ by Response to Kenosha Shooting – NBC Chicago

coffeebean 08-25-2020 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1822603)
I just posted about this as well. DISGUSTING.
Watch the video, and listen to a witness describe the situation. WHY did they need to send 7 police officers in the first place?

Listen to the police or not, which none of us heard exactly what they said, there’s no excuse for this. It shouldn’t be, “listen to what we say or we’ll shoot you in the back, even though you don’t have a gun or knife.” The guy didn’t go anywhere, and he had THREE KIDS in the back of the car. So now you’re saying that it’s as simple as just listening, and has nothing to do with SOME, not all, trigger happy LEOs.
It is as simple as IMMEDIATELY put hands in the air with fingers splayed when LEOs are shouting at you. What is so difficult about that? Don't play with fire and you won't get burned.

TheWarriors 08-25-2020 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822420)
What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.
Gun control is only favored by those that want to dictate freedom, the government may not always defend freedom and we may be called upon as citizens to set them straight.

manaboutown 08-25-2020 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1822287)
Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!
Floyd could have died from a fentanyl overdose. Of course he was resisting arrest...

Two Bills 08-26-2020 03:32 AM
The man with the gun always has the 'right of way!'

Love2Swim 08-26-2020 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mamamia54 (Post 1822833)
The video shows him going into his car. How do they police know he wasn’t going to grab a gun. He should have just done what they requested. Now that we know his record and all the things he was arrested for and I think still has a warrant out for his arrest, I think it’s fair for the police to think he would be pulling a gun out.
Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

Bikeracer2009 08-26-2020 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822897)
Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.
I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.

Stu from NYC 08-26-2020 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1822924)
I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.
The investigation will determine what actually happened and the guilty party, but in these times with most of us staying home we do have more time for speculations.

Bay Kid 08-26-2020 06:49 AM
When the police say stop you stop. You don't walk away and reach into a car. I feel sorry for his parents, but they should have taught him respect.

Byte1 08-26-2020 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1822813)
"Best for the kids" - that's pretty judgemental.
Yes, it is. Isn't most of the posts on this blog, someone's opinion?

Byte1 08-26-2020 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822897)
Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.
Maybe the car was filling with water and threatening to drown his children, right? Or, maybe one was choking on some crystal meth and he was afraid it would all be gone before he returned? Could be that a demon was attempting to take control of one of the children and he was rushing to prevent it with a crucifix.
No, we do not have all the facts, so maybe it is better not to pre-judge the police also.

He had a record of felonies
He has a warrant for his arrest
He was violent and fought the police
He refused to comply with police orders
He reached into his car for....?

As a juror I would be inclined to give the police the benefit of doubt over the perp, until someone presents evidence that the police had evil intent when dealing with him.

Byte1 08-26-2020 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1822857)
If you haven't seen Jacob Blake's mother speak at the press conference in Kenosha today, it's worth watching. She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve. She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:
Jacob Blake’s Mother Says Son Would be ‘Unpleased’ by Response to Kenosha Shooting – NBC Chicago
And her son was an angel too. Wonder how much money ratcheted up on the "go fund me" page as she spoke. Harsh? Maybe if she lived her words, her son would not be a felon today and not laying in a hospital. Hope she is not raising his kids.

coffeebean 08-26-2020 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1822924)
I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.
What situation could possibly justify NOT listening to the police and NOT following their commands? That is crazy talk to think there could be a possible reason to not listen to the police. LEOs have weapons will use them if they are threatened.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-26-2020 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1821928)
Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
The whole key to this will be what he reached for and/or what did the police believe he was reaching for?

As Gracie says, a person's record has everything to do with the way that he's treated by the police. When police know that they are dealing with a multiple violent offender, they are going to be more aware and more on edge than when dealing with someone that has run a stop sign and has no record. They are more concerned about their lives and safety and may be quicker to react.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-26-2020 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1822897)
Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.
Or maybe he said nothing, open the car door and reached for a gun.

He had already resisted arrest, scuffled with the police and was tased. A person who continues to resist after being tased is a major concern to police. They are often on drugs that will give them additional strength.

Why don't we all stop with the "maybes" and wait until an investigation is done and we have more information.

Most of the trouble that we see in this country today is because of speculation, assumptions and "maybes".

His family has already retained civil liberty lawyers who have made speeches stating that this shooting was not justified. They have no business making those kind of statements without all of the information. There is a lot of talk about how this happened in front of his three kids. That has nothing to do with the facts of the case.

Just like in the George Floyd case, too many people are jumping to conclusions without all of the evidence.

Red White & Blue 08-26-2020 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1822857)
She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve.
She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:
Bag full of BS! "He (my son) would not approve", rioting and fighting with cops. So what does he do - fight with cops.
This is begging to sound like a Rodney King scenario, "can't we all get along".

Stu from NYC 08-26-2020 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1822963)
Maybe the car was filling with water and threatening to drown his children, right? Or, maybe one was choking on some crystal meth and he was afraid it would all be gone before he returned? Could be that a demon was attempting to take control of one of the children and he was rushing to prevent it with a crucifix.
No, we do not have all the facts, so maybe it is better not to pre-judge the police also.

He had a record of felonies
He has a warrant for his arrest
He was violent and fought the police
He refused to comply with police orders
He reached into his car for....?

As a juror I would be inclined to give the police the benefit of doubt over the perp, until someone presents evidence that the police had evil intent when dealing with him.
totally agree and now they have an excuse to burn their city and the business that provide them jobs.

When they file for unemployment would hope they would be handed a piece of paper explaining no unemployment due to their own stupidity.

Lindsyburnsy 08-26-2020 08:39 AM
Why are police shooting people at nearly point blank 7 times IN THE BACK? They couldn't be trained this way.

Lindsyburnsy 08-26-2020 08:41 AM
I don't remember George Floyd being armed, was he? I do remember seeing cops surrounding him on the ground with one of them pressing their knee against Floyd's neck while he couldn't breath.

OhioBuckeye 08-26-2020 08:53 AM
Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1821928)
Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
Good comment BAY KID! I'm not going to point my finger just at a black man or white man but when these people that get shot & don't do what the police ask they wouldn't be getting shot & this doesn't have nothing to do with BLM. It's Black Lives DON"T LISTEN. Then this brain dead black guy reaches in his car for something. What if he came out with a gun & shot this officer, would BLM burn the h _ _ _ out of their city & loot for this officer, NO. Do what your asked to do & don't be brain dead black person & walk away when you're asked to do something. Black don't know it but they're not going to win in the end. They're just making the Police harder & they're just getting fed up with these so called blacks doing what they want. Good for the Police & thank you for hanging in there putting up with all of this crap.


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