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Topspinmo 06-23-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1789809)
Pretty sure Harold Schwartz was neither a slave-owner nor a white supremacist. He was also not a born/bred Southerner and therefore not qualified to be hated as a result of his ancestors being members of the Confederacy. So I'd say his statue is safe.

The guy on the horse, I don't know who he's supposed to be. So I don't know if that one's safe or not. I'm suspicious of the dog though.


But, he is white.

DeanFL 06-23-2020 08:11 AM

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definitely a "target" - glad she's on an island and shielded.
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Topspinmo 06-23-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1789913)
Read this article from Wikipedia, especially toward the end. It isn’t pretty.
Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia

You do know Wikipedia are write ins can be know where near actuate. Basically cut paste from opinion sources.

Topspinmo 06-23-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1789946)
Removing cell phones and social media =s Removing stupidity
These morons can't think. Just like sheep and cows they can only follow

Let’s see I can’t record conversation and it be admitted to court of law without consent, but I can take pictures without approval from the participants and it’s legal.

mydavid 06-23-2020 08:17 AM

I think you should be more worried about guarding your flower pots from the Trolls.

kenoc7 06-23-2020 08:21 AM

Statues
 
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1789798)
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With what is going on across our country - are OUR VILLAGES statues safe?

Are they 'offending' anyone?

Can they be targetted?


Should we be guarding them too?

This was clear even to Robert E. Lee, who opposed such monuments. “I think it wiser,” he wrote in 1869, declining an invitation to help decide where to erect memorials at Gettysburg, “not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...c=nl_headlines

tophcfa 06-23-2020 08:26 AM

I have no doubt that there are whack jobs out there that could justify tearing down statues of the founding fathers of the Villages. Let’s start their justification list. They were white males, they were successful businessmen who made lots of money (capitalists), they supported the Republican Party, the community they created has way too many conservatives and not enough diversity, etc....

Luisa 06-23-2020 08:27 AM

Only one in four southerners owned slaves. The others resented slave owners getting rich off slave labor. Slavery ended one hundred and fifty five years ago. Nobody has been a slave or slave owner for generations. It is used as an excuse for hate and poor behavior. I read slavery was practiced among African tribes. One tribe would take members of other tribes as slaves and even capture them for the slave market. It made me wonder how slavery got started in America. Correct me if what I read is not true. If it is true, who is going to pay whom reparations?6

Fred2016 06-23-2020 08:35 AM

Yes, I think you should go out and guard them day and night.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-23-2020 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1790033)
But, he is white.

It's all good. The sculptor fixed that by making him bronze.

mollyb 06-23-2020 08:37 AM

This is mob behavior including the vandalism.

joseppe 06-23-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1789824)
I still can't figure out why a statue of Christopher Columbus was attacked and brought down. Anyone figure that one out?

Maybe because he was Italian.

billethkid 06-23-2020 08:43 AM

So when they (the morons) topple, deface, paint, etc a statue what have they accomplished that will make what they are seeking (whatever that may be) any better.

Instead of following the laws/rules to get something done the "morons" have decided to burn, pillage, plunder and topple/remove statues on their own.

They are demonstrating they are above or beyond the law and the media and local officials validate their actions by doing nothing about it.

The fault is those in authority and the media.

stadalberts 06-23-2020 08:44 AM

YOU SAID A mouthFULL!!

justjim 06-23-2020 08:57 AM

Satire
 
Dean, nice satire... nope guards not needed.

Stu from NYC 06-23-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joecian1 (Post 1789947)
Regardless of what he did we cannot destroy our history. Are you saying that tearing down his statue is justified?

Columbus or any other should be judged according to the times he lived in.

TomPerrett 06-23-2020 08:59 AM

Don’t you think it’s time to get over the civil war anyway.

BlackhawksFan 06-23-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1789809)
Pretty sure Harold Schwartz was neither a slave-owner nor a white supremacist. He was also not a born/bred Southerner and therefore not qualified to be hated as a result of his ancestors being members of the Confederacy. So I'd say his statue is safe.b

The guy on the horse, I don't know who he's supposed to be. So I don't know if that one's safe or not. I'm suspicious of the dog though.

That's a Florida Cracker, which were Colonial era British and American pioneer settlers who who helped settle Florida. Basically a cowboy or rancher.

fdpaq0580 06-23-2020 09:06 AM

Something to ponder.
 
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Originally Posted by Bobby W (Post 1790027)
I’m a southerner and when I think of riots I think of Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, and dont forget Minnesota. The bigotry isn’t only in the South.

You are right, bigotry isn't only in the South. Furthermore, it isn't one sided. You are not born with hate, it has to be taught. First at home, then in some houses of worship and on the playgrounds at school. From the parents to the children to their peers. It spreads like a virus, and like a virus it doesn't reason it just destroys.
Bigotry comes in many forms, racial, cultural, religious, regional, and any thing you can imagine. Remember the old song by Randy Newman, "Short people" that showed the stupidity of bigotry? The peaceful protest brings light to a subject that needs to be addressed. Riots, lawlessness, vandalism only adds to the perceived and flawed evidence that supposedly justify bigotry.
Peacefully and lawfully working together and acknowledging advancements and improvement is essential. Once a people were enslaved but they are enslaved no more. Once there was segregation, but segregation is gone. Once a people had no hope of a better life, now many of the people of all historical backgrounds live the American dream, able to attain any station in life up to and including the Presidency. No matter how hard, it is possible if you stop instilling hate and providing excuses for failure.
To me and many others, " Liberty and Justice For All" isn't just a catchy phrase, it is a Commandment!

Andyhope 06-23-2020 09:17 AM

If you re-write or erase history, you are doomed to repeat it.

Dilligas 06-23-2020 09:25 AM

I wonder how many Black lives have been and will be saved by tearing down or destroying statues?

nn0wheremann 06-23-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1789824)
I still can't figure out why a statue of Christopher Columbus was attacked and brought down. Anyone figure that one out?

Old Chris supposedly contributed to the distress of peoples indigenous to the Americas, but they got their revenge by sharing syphilis with his crew, and thus with Europe, so maybe that fight should be called a draw. This generation that expects to be forgiven its student loans and credit card debt seems unable to forgive faults of their forebearers.

Stu from NYC 06-23-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1790134)
I wonder how many Black lives have been and will be saved by tearing down or destroying statues?

Not to mention how many of us are more sympathetic to this organization while they continue to destroy statues and loot businesses.

Scorpyo 06-23-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1789844)
The morons will tear down any statue they see. Heck, they would tear down a statue of Martin Luther King before they realized what they were doing. Go figure?

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Originally Posted by hjdttt (Post 1789865)
Columbus is targeted because Europeans brought hardship and death to many of America’s indigenous peoples.

Yep. It is said that 90% of the native Indian population was wiped out by diseases brought from Europe.

Scorpyo 06-23-2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1789932)
The moron here is anyone who would condone violence, vandalism, and rioting. If you want them removed, go through the proper channels.

Nah, that would take too much time and effort and you wouldn’t be applauded on certain TV channels.

donfey 06-23-2020 09:47 AM

payday
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1789844)
The morons will tear down any statue they see. Heck, they would tear down a statue of Martin Luther King before they realized what they were doing. Go figure?

They aren't required to think, just destroy our culture. People who desire the destruction of America are paying the thugs to disrupt our way of life. Sad, indeed, that those elected to "represent" us are too terrified of the leftist press to take the action they should, I.e., enforce the law!
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jenistaf 06-23-2020 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1789905)
Morons for removing statues of those who supported slavery? Who is the moron here?

Ulysses S Grant statue torn down in San Francisco. Wait... wasn't he the guy most responsible for freeing slaves across the Confederacy?

Joe V. 06-23-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1790147)
Yep. It is said that 90% of the native Indian population was wiped out by diseases brought from Europe.

How many tribes of fellow Indians did the Maya cause to be eradicated by their genocide?

Scorpyo 06-23-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1789798)
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With what is going on across our country - are OUR VILLAGES statues safe?

Are they 'offending' anyone?

Can they be targetted?


Should we be guarding them too?

Of course they’ll be targeted. Schwartz - Islamic extremists and skinheads are on the way. That steer or cow. Don’t you know their flatulence is destroying our atmosphere. AOC is probably on the way for that statue. And that dog - don’t get me started! The horse should be okay. After all, politicians seem to be related so the will protect it. They’re all a bunch of horses ...

DeanFL 06-23-2020 10:14 AM

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Perhaps we wouldn't have the statue and other current issues if....if....


Stevie Wonder & Paul McCartney Ebony and Ivory Lyrics

Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why don't we?
We all know that people are the same where ever we go
There is good and bad in everyone,
We learn to live, we learn to give
Each other what we need to survive together alive.
Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord why don't we?
Ebony, ivory living in perfect harmony
Ebony, ivory, ooh
We all know that people are the same where ever we go
There is good and bad in everyone,
We learn to live, we learn to give
Each other what we need to survive together alive.
Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord why don't we?
Ebony, ivory living in perfect harmony (repeat and fade)

Topspinmo 06-23-2020 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 1790135)
Old Chris supposedly contributed to the distress of peoples indigenous to the Americas, but they got their revenge by sharing syphilis with his crew, and thus with Europe, so maybe that fight should be called a draw. This generation that expects to be forgiven its student loans and credit card debt seems unable to forgive faults of their forebearers.

Not like the Spain did to south, Central America, and Southwestern portions of North America. All for greed of gold.

Debt forgiveness is a agenda for ____s.

jenistaf 06-23-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1789905)
Morons for removing statues of those who supported slavery? Who is the moron here?

The problem with setting slave ownership as an absolute standard is that it is almost impossible to find a sizeable society which did not place people in bondage (slaves, serfs, or their equivalents) prior to the modern anti-slavery movement in the 1800s.

Too many societies continue to do so today.

Topspinmo 06-23-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1790147)
Yep. It is said that 90% of the native Indian population was wiped out by diseases brought from Europe.

I think the Spain wiped out the most

Marvic 1 06-23-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1790011)
This isn't about the statues. It is a war against anything about white people.

That’s odd, if you look closely, you'll notice that its MOSTLY the WHITES that are causing these protest havoc.
These are the children who have been spoiled by high cost radical college professors who are being supported by Mon, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa.....
Time to wipe-out-the-belt and bring these spoiled brats back into the house....
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Stu from NYC 06-23-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1790198)
I think the Spain wiped out the most

Certainly in the conversation along with Incas and Aztecs.

jenistaf 06-23-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by susantabler@yahoo.com (Post 1789914)
I believe Grant owned some slaves.

Grant inherited one slave from his father, a slave he subsequently freed prior to his role in freeing hundreds of thousands more from slavery

carolandjohn 06-23-2020 10:35 AM

Some schools' history curriculum was severely lacking.

nututv 06-23-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by carolandjohn (Post 1790219)
Some schools' history curriculum was severely lacking.

Not when I was attending. Columbus discovered America in 1492. After the Indians, Vikings and most likely a few others. lol

carolandjohn 06-23-2020 10:50 AM

Vocabulary
 
There certainly are many, many comments about "those people", "savages", "morons", "them:, "they", "thugs" and other names which a lot of writers are hiding behind. Surely you are brave enough to say what you mean.

ColdNoMore 06-23-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by carolandjohn (Post 1790233)
There certainly are many, many comments about "those people", "savages", "morons", "them:, "they", "thugs" and other names which a lot of writers are hiding behind. Surely you are brave enough to say what you mean.


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