Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1790198)

I think the Spain wiped out the most

Originally Posted by carolandjohn (Post 1790219)

Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1790222)

Not when I was attending. Columbus discovered America in 1492. After the Indians, Vikings and most likely a few others. lol

Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1790256)

It is thought?

Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1790237)

Probably because they were first to the party. From all accounts, the French and the British were no bargain either. Really very little has changed. If you look around the world you can witness hardship, strife and hatred. Many countries try to sugarcoat and hide it but the reality is they'd sacrifice just about any other country for their own gain. Wuhan virus comes to mind. They went to extreme measures to protect their own without notifying the rest of the world. A simple telephone call would have had a tremendous impact and if I'm not mistaken they do make cellphones. Let's get back to the statues for a moment. Do you think any statues in China are at risk? I would venture to guess not so much. Why? Because they've already destroyed everything related to their predecessors. Now they have their own version of communist Utopia. Sounds a lot like what's happening today in America. Wipe out our history and they can rebuild it in their own image. The scary thing is the image their trying to create.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1790234)

:bigbow:

Originally Posted by Marilyn RIccio (Post 1790322)

I suggest 24 hour guards instead of paid employees of community watch driving through in white trucks that cost us hourly wages, cost of trucks, gas and maintenance. They drive through the streets while anyone can enter out gates without guards present.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790282)

Actually you are very wrong about China and their history.

Was fortunate to spend some time touring there last year and saw a lot of history.

From the Forbidden city to Terracotta warriors they do know and study their history.

They are still a communist dictatorship and keep a lot of control of their country.

Originally Posted by Fanfaron2020 (Post 1789925)

The reason the lunatic left are toppling statues is because nobody really cares that much about statues and therefore are not willing to confront them. So, they get the 'news' they are looking for with little resistance. I call it COWARDICE at its lowest level. Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1789917)

Columbus actually did enslave many thousands of indigenous people and presided over the deaths of hundreds of thousands, it is thought. Not a very nice guy.
Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1790114)

You are right, bigotry isn't only in the South. Furthermore, it isn't one sided. You are not born with hate, it has to be taught. First at home, then in some houses of worship and on the playgrounds at school. From the parents to the children to their peers. It spreads like a virus, and like a virus it doesn't reason it just destroys.
Bigotry comes in many forms, racial, cultural, religious, regional, and any thing you can imagine. Remember the old song by Randy Newman, "Short people" that showed the stupidity of bigotry? The peaceful protest brings light to a subject that needs to be addressed. Riots, lawlessness, vandalism only adds to the perceived and flawed evidence that supposedly justify bigotry.
Peacefully and lawfully working together and acknowledging advancements and improvement is essential. Once a people were enslaved but they are enslaved no more. Once there was segregation, but segregation is gone. Once a people had no hope of a better life, now many of the people of all historical backgrounds live the American dream, able to attain any station in life up to and including the Presidency. No matter how hard, it is possible if you stop instilling hate and providing excuses for failure.
To me and many others, " Liberty and Justice For All" isn't just a catchy phrase, it is a Commandment!

Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1790222)

Not when I was attending. Columbus discovered America in 1492. After the Indians, Vikings and most likely a few others. lol

Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 1790337)

Statue of Liberty next.

Originally Posted by carolandjohn (Post 1790233)

There certainly are many, many comments about "those people", "savages", "morons", "them:, "they", "thugs" and other names which a lot of writers are hiding behind. Surely you are brave enough to say what you mean.

Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 1790240)

I am highly offended by our cowboy statue. It is plainly sexist, and who knows what is happening to that poor little calf? I could not sleep last night just thinking about the unfairness of it. We should at least have one erected to honor Calamity Jane!

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1790277)

Say what?! :22yikes:

Are you actually saying, that it was the indigenous people that gave Columbus' crew, and then European's, syphilis and other deadly diseases, instead of the truth...which is just the opposite? :oops:

I think we have a new GOAT...already. :D

GOAT (click here)



Click Here Too

While I was pretty confident of my prescience, even I couldn't imagine...it would be proved so soon. :1rotfl:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1789809)

Pretty sure Harold Schwartz was neither a slave-owner nor a white supremacist. He was also not a born/bred Southerner and therefore not qualified to be hated as a result of his ancestors being members of the Confederacy. So I'd say his statue is safe.

The guy on the horse, I don't know who he's supposed to be. So I don't know if that one's safe or not. I'm suspicious of the dog though.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1790114)

You are right, bigotry isn't only in the South. Furthermore, it isn't one sided. You are not born with hate, it has to be taught. First at home, then in some houses of worship and on the playgrounds at school. From the parents to the children to their peers. It spreads like a virus, and like a virus it doesn't reason it just destroys.
Bigotry comes in many forms, racial, cultural, religious, regional, and any thing you can imagine. Remember the old song by Randy Newman, "Short people" that showed the stupidity of bigotry? The peaceful protest brings light to a subject that needs to be addressed. Riots, lawlessness, vandalism only adds to the perceived and flawed evidence that supposedly justify bigotry.
Peacefully and lawfully working together and acknowledging advancements and improvement is essential. Once a people were enslaved but they are enslaved no more. Once there was segregation, but segregation is gone. Once a people had no hope of a better life, now many of the people of all historical backgrounds live the American dream, able to attain any station in life up to and including the Presidency. No matter how hard, it is possible if you stop instilling hate and providing excuses for failure.
To me and many others, " Liberty and Justice For All" isn't just a catchy phrase, it is a Commandment!

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790282)

Actually you are very wrong about China and their history.

Was fortunate to spend some time touring there last year and saw a lot of history.

From the Forbidden city to Terracotta warriors they do know and study their history.

They are still a communist dictatorship and keep a lot of control of their country.

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1790426)

I do hope The Villages protects itself from the Burning Looting Mob.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1790398)

I suggest that a black cowgirl would do the trick.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790438)

Does she have to be on a black horse?

What about a transgender black cowgirl?

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1789915)

Theres no reasons for the statues being torn down. Its being done by uncivilized animals who are just looking to cause chaos and destruction. Statues totally un related to this excuse for a cause have been targeted. Just think, theyve burned down and looted stores in the own neighborhood and last night tried to overtake the White House. Theyre just savages who were raised without learning respect. Blame the parents

Originally Posted by LynnWM158 (Post 1790410)

Not everyone born and bred in the south has ancestors who were members of the confederacy.....none of my ancestors were slave owners or members of the confederacy. Sounds like you might have a bit of prejudice

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1790405)

I am pretty sure that European settlers brought smallpox and other diseases to the colonies, which, I believe, killed off enormous numbers of eastern Native Americans. Our history undercounts the depopulation. Much later in the west, the US Army gave infected blankets (smallpox?) out to the western tribes on purpose, like those chemical weapons banned by the Geneva Convention. But, of course I am no way suggesting that Native Americans deserve their Reservation land or any future considerations or reparations. That would require a less flat Federal tax and national empathy. Will not happen.

Originally Posted by Kwenner (Post 1790000)

This is not about white supremacy or slave owners , this is about destroying America and anarchy. George Floyd was their excuse to kick off their main event, they have been chipping away at AMERICA , morales and religion for years.

Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1790446)

Actually should be a non-binary or genderless cow-something or other riding a zebra.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1790411)

Good post, except .....Segregation is alive, well, and still flourishing in the tribal, ghetto, and difficult to escape areas in MOST US cities, big and small. Don't believe small? Go live in Arcadia, Fl. for 1 month and do some research.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790473)

Hmm is that a zebra with black stripes or white ones? Never could figure that one out.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790438)

Does she have to be on a black horse?

What about a transgender black cowgirl?

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1790484)

Thank you for making the point about segregation. You are correct. My point is that it is no longer the law of the land. The segregation that exists is more related to level of wealth or lack of it, education or lack of it, people of similar cultures living in areas where they feel welcome.
When my family, German and French, emigrated to this country, they lived in "little Germany" or the French area of town. Poor and lacking the ability to speak good English, that is where they settled. Second generation was told to speak without the accent and to get all the education they could so they could get out of the ghetto and have a better life. "Difficult to escape areas", difficult, yes, but not impossible, as some would have you believe. I have lived in good and bad places, I have felt suspicion and discrimination, so I feel, right or wrong, that I have at least a slight understanding of someone experiencing those things might feel.
The train to mutual respect, understanding and truly coming together as a nation united is not a "bullet train". It moves slower than many would like and faster than some can comprehend, but it is moving in the right direction and will continue to do so if the vandals will stop trying to tear up the tracks.
Stay safe. Stay well. Peace!

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1790473)

Hmm is that a zebra with black stripes or white ones? Never could figure that one out.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1790457)

You're missing the point. One of the criteria of being a member of the confederacy is - you have to have been a resident of one of the confederate states, or actively serving the confederacy at the time the confederacy existed. Does that mean everyone living there was a confederate? Nope. But it means if you were NOT living in the confederacy, and your ancestors were not actively serving the confederacy, then you and your family cannot possibly have been a confederate.

Schwartz's family was not from the south, and his family weren't even in the USA at the time of the Confederacy his father's side of the family was still in Hungary - and therefore weren't capable of being members of the confederacy.

Not prejudice. Mathematical deduction: "If you want B to be true, then A must also be true. If A is not true, then B cannot be true."