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MrFlorida 05-04-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 2214123)
Unless you are an active duty soldier, you should be deprived from owning an AK rifle. Those weapons are for obliterating an enemy in war. Pretty sure we can live without them on our US streets. “Well regulated militia “ not free for all of all weapons by anybody who wants one.

There are laws and background checks in place, not everyone can just walk into a gun store and buy one.

OhioBuckeye 05-04-2023 07:38 AM

I agree guns don’t go off by themselves, besides even if they would banned guns of every type how are they going to keep gun murders from happening because criminals won’t hand over their guns willingly. Then criminals would be able to go into any home or bank & rob anything they want. Giving up guns is a Chinese solution, they said yrs. ago if the Chinese could take our guns & do away with our religion they could walk right in the U.S. & demand anything they want. They’ve already got a jump on it!

Whitley 05-04-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214001)
Would you allow homeowners to plant land mines, use grenades, flamethrowers, etc. to protect themselves? Probably not as they could easily blow themselves up or burn their homes down.

Flamethrowers, grenades, land mines are for warfare as also are assault weapons of various kinds.

A ban of some weapons meant for battlefields would at least cut down the flow of these into some areas and into some hands. Red flag laws and close monitoring of those with mental illness by friends, co-workers, and family could also help.

Hi. I am not saying this in anyway to insult you. The weapon most often mentioned with an "assault rifle" gun ban is an armalite 15 AR15). It is in no way the most powerful weapon (I would not use one hunting boar). The reason most anti first amendment people cite this rifle is because it looks scary. Can you please let me know what you mean when you say a weapon meant for a battlefield. What constitutes an assault rifle for you? Maybe we can agree if we make clear the definitions.

Whitley 05-04-2023 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2214019)
And yet - none of these law-abiding citizens with a generously-written right to carry a handgun openly, used their lawfully-carried gun to stop the shooter. In fact, the shooter is still running around free.

So much for having a gun for defense.

There are MANY instances where someone protected their own life and lives of others with a licensed weapon.

Whitley 05-04-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2214084)
People are complacent and do nothing, or when they do ask for help, it's ignored. We have a Godless society that is full of attention seeking mentally ill people.!!

You have been on tik tok I see.

Whitley 05-04-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 2214123)
Unless you are an active duty soldier, you should be deprived from owning an AK rifle. Those weapons are for obliterating an enemy in war. Pretty sure we can live without them on our US streets. “Well regulated militia “ not free for all of all weapons by anybody who wants one.

Would you describe the characteristics of (what you call) an AK rifle that makes them unsuitable for legal ownership?

Blackbird45 05-04-2023 07:56 AM

Just me
 
I do own a handgun, so I'm not against firearm ownership. But I am a true believer that everyone who owns a firearm should have training.

A system similar to getting a driver's license. Just as in the types of vehicles you drive, a car, motorcycle, truck. You do the same with firearms, hunting, handgun and assault weapon. The NRA can choose the calcification and do the training, once you pass on the type of firearms you qualify for you can purchase that type of firearm and the ammunition. while this is going on there could be a full background check.

Also there has to be training on how to safely to store your firearm. This business of leaving a firearm in your glove compartment in your car parked on the street overnight is a no, no. There has to be some common sense involved. Which means there has to be responsibility of being an owner. Which would mean if you were smart you would get some type of insurance to protect yourself.

I also believe that the industry should be able to come up with a home protective firearm that will stop an intruder that is easy to handle and will not take down you front door and the neighbor's dog. You don't have to kill an intruder; you just have to stop them in their tracks.

Taltarzac725 05-04-2023 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2214171)
I do own a handgun, so I'm not against firearm ownership. But I am a true believer that everyone who owns a firearm should have training.

A system similar to getting a driver's license. Just as in the types of vehicles you drive, a car, motorcycle, truck. You do the same with firearms, hunting, handgun and assault weapon. The NRA can choose the calcification and do the training, once you pass on the type of firearms you qualify for you can purchase that type of firearm and the ammunition. while this is going on there could be a full background check.

Also there has to be training on how to safely to store your firearm. This business of leaving a firearm in your glove compartment in your car parked on the street overnight is a no, no. There has to be some common sense involved. Which means there has to be responsibility of being an owner. Which would mean if you were smart you would get some type of insurance to protect yourself.

I also believe that the industry should be able to come up with a home protective firearm that will stop an intruder that is easy to handle and will not take down you front door and the neighbor's dog. You don't have to kill an intruder; you just have to stop them in their tracks.

I recall a certain movie star slept or still sleeps with a shotgun under her bed. Probably loaded. That would probably stop most would be intruders except for a gang of them. I suppose you might need a AK rifle if you were being attacked by a platoon like in Ukraine. But this is not Ukraine.

And in practicality there is no way in the US to just confiscate AK rifle weapons now out there. But we could slow down the future flow of them to new would be mass killers.

retiredguy123 05-04-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 2214123)
Unless you are an active duty soldier, you should be deprived from owning an AK rifle. Those weapons are for obliterating an enemy in war. Pretty sure we can live without them on our US streets. “Well regulated militia “ not free for all of all weapons by anybody who wants one.

It is not accurate to compare a legal, semi-automatic weapon that can be purchased in most gun stores to a fully automatic weapon that soldiers use in war, and that are not sold in gun stores. That is an apples to oranges comparison. They are two entirely different weapons.

Cybersprings 05-04-2023 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214193)
I recall a certain movie star slept or still sleeps with a shotgun under her bed. Probably loaded. That would probably stop most would be intruders except for a gang of them. I suppose you might need a AK rifle if you were being attacked by a platoon like in Ukraine. But this is not Ukraine.

And in practicality there is no way in the US to just confiscate AK rifle weapons now out there. But we could slow down the future flow of them to new would be mass killers.

I think someone's ignorance may be showing. What is it about AK or AR rifles that are legal to own in the U.S. would allow you to take on a platoon anywhere? What is it about them that you think makes them so dangerous? I think you will find any answer you provide will embarass you (if you worry about looking very silly), but I am very interested in how someone who knows nothing about guns but wants to make the rules thinks.

Taltarzac725 05-04-2023 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2214203)
I think someone's ignorance may be showing. What is it about AK or AR rifles that are legal to own in the U.S. would allow you to take on a platoon anywhere? What is it about them that you think makes them so dangerous? I think you will find any answer you provide will embarass you (if you worry about looking very silly), but I am very interested in how someone who knows nothing about guns but wants to make the rules thinks.


How about watching the news. Prohibit Assault Weapons | Everytown | Everytown

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Assault weapons are generally high-powered semiautomatic firearms where each round has up to four times the muzzle velocity of a handgun round. This means that each round from an assault weapon inflicts greater damage to the human body than a round from a typical handgun. Assault weapons are generally designed to fire rounds at a greater rate than other firearms, and when combined with high-capacity magazines, they enable a shooter to fire more rounds over a short period.

cjrjck 05-04-2023 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2214171)
I do own a handgun, so I'm not against firearm ownership. But I am a true believer that everyone who owns a firearm should have training.

A system similar to getting a driver's license. Just as in the types of vehicles you drive, a car, motorcycle, truck. You do the same with firearms, hunting, handgun and assault weapon. The NRA can choose the calcification and do the training, once you pass on the type of firearms you qualify for you can purchase that type of firearm and the ammunition. while this is going on there could be a full background check.

Also there has to be training on how to safely to store your firearm. This business of leaving a firearm in your glove compartment in your car parked on the street overnight is a no, no. There has to be some common sense involved. Which means there has to be responsibility of being an owner. Which would mean if you were smart you would get some type of insurance to protect yourself.

I also believe that the industry should be able to come up with a home protective firearm that will stop an intruder that is easy to handle and will not take down you front door and the neighbor's dog. You don't have to kill an intruder; you just have to stop them in their tracks.

And because of the 1st Amendment, you have the right to proclaim your beliefs. And because of the 2nd Amendment, your well meaning ideas are just that, well meaning ideas. Can you imagine placing similar requirements on a person before they are allowed to express their views? You might say you can't equate the two (right to free speech and the right to bear arms) and I would say the Supreme Court has said no right shall be abridged. Placing such restrictions on gun ownership would do just that. Now, you do have a recourse. Use your poetic skills to stir up enough support to actually change the 2nd Amendment. It can be done.

Taltarzac725 05-04-2023 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2214207)
And because of the 1st Amendment, you have the right to proclaim your beliefs. And because of the 2nd Amendment, your well meaning ideas are just that, well meaning ideas. Can you imagine placing similar requirements on a person before they are allowed to express their views? You might say you can't equate the two (right to free speech and the right to bear arms) and I would say the Supreme Court has said no right shall be abridged. Placing such restrictions on gun ownership would do just that. Now, you do have a recourse. Use your poetic skills to stir up enough support to actually change the 2nd Amendment. It can be done.

Check the history of the NRA. They were historically about gun control. How the NRA evolved from backing a 1934 ban on machine guns to blocking nearly all firearm restrictions today

njbchbum 05-04-2023 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2214070)

Yep - interesting - 'til I git to the Disclaimer! LOL

Now I'm gonna go look up HIPAA and gun permit applications! Thanks for your responses.

Taltarzac725 05-04-2023 09:12 AM

Forgotten words: ‘A well regulated Militia’ | The Hill

I would bet that the Founding Fathers had read a lot of English history and did not want private armies around that would march on Parliament. That is not what the 2nd Amendment was about back then but was about a "well regulated militia".

And they probably know about Roman History-- Year of the Four Emperors - Wikipedia.


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