We agree! :thumbup:


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I applaud your attempt at common sense, but I'm afraid it will have little-to-no effect with those that (even subtly) will continue to try and deflect...from it being purposeful murder. :ohdear:

AGREE with every word, but it seems that you and many only say that when it suits.

YEP....been pointed out on here many times......as much as our government leader(s) want to tag us very bad people if we do not walk lock step, thats not true.

As many baseless personal attacks and baseless accusations are made, there are groups that simply "buy in" and will never speak up. Why is that ? Only answer I recall is "whatever simply being whatever" and things such as that.

The labels you speak of are applied to skin color, ethnicity, and registration, with no thought that they are individual human beings....Americans who actually fought for their country.

Oh and it was nice of you to say that certain designated folks "Most of them look like decent folks to me. " That was really very magnanimous of you, but you know, if I said that about a group or a person, I will be attacked....strange world we are building.

Lets all look inward for once

Some people are so unaware of their own feelings they don't realize how others see mostly just one emotion when they communicate.

Why would it not be?

On the assumption that your smart remark is aimed at me, you are correct.

As you know, you and I agreed for many years.

I am very well aware of my feelings and we split on feelings when I just flat out refused to betray my feelings to a preposterous situation.

I stand in fear for a place I fought for, defended, and worked for. I stand in fear of a lot right now.

Because of that, I admit I have become full of one emotion when faced with a daily onset of lies, and hate.

I do not think I stand alone and I apologize to nobody for not giving up my moral standards and belief in the power of truth and empathy.

Some have simply rolled over and I have not. If that makes me the bad guy, so be it.

He was unarmed, already hand cuffed, and there were 4 officers... This was beyond necessary. If he was being violent (with his hands cuffed behind his back), his other 3 officers would have been involved in helping. They were just standing there! Either way, he's dead now, at the hands of this officer...on tape.

This video shows how police are supposed to do their job - use whatever force is required to get the subject under control and cuffed. This is exactly the opposite of how the Minneapolis police dealt with it. They had the person cuffed and well under control yet continued to exert deadly force. They should all spend time in prison. If I were a cop on the jury I would be the first to cast a guilty verdict since these bad cops have put my life in jeopardy.

As to his character or previous record, I don't care if he just committed armed robbery. Once the police did their job of apprehending and subduing him, they have no right to continue on to be judge, jury and executioner.

It's independent of the State Coroner's Report

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Steve

I had to delete because the Mods deleted some posts that I responded to, but failed to delete this one for some strange reason.
I didn't want to think I was directing my comment to anyone else.

Steve again

Normally I don't even read that website, but I followed the link. Thank you for showing the priors. Looks like it was all theft, and what amounts to fairly minor possession (less than a gram of cocaine - not something people would possess for sale, more like for personal use). And - it looks like he really was trying to stay legit for the past 10+ years.

I wouldn't want to have a record like that.

Very funny. For aggravated robbery with a gun he was sentenced to five years in prison as that is not a fairly minor crime. It is a violent felony.

He was charged with having over four grams of coke he had for distribution. The charge was obviously plea bargained down, duh!

Exactly.

And now, just like so many who want to blame the victims of rape and sexual assault, the implied excuse that he had it coming since he had a police record...starts coming out of the woodwork from the usual suspects.

Even though none of that makes a damn difference...in murdering him.

Simply disgusting. :ohdear:

I don't think it is a good thing to have a police record for armed robbery. Did you imply I implied something? In Ohio we would say you are "et up". We don't want our children to have a police record. We wouldn't want one ourselves. It implies whatever having a prison record implies. It isn't an honor.

I don't think it is "simply disgusting" to discuss the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It does not change that he is dead.

Where did George work? He must of had a good job. He was driving around in a Mercedes. Saw his wife on the news, beautiful nails, hair, and jewelry.

Thank you.

Floyd was not married.

He had worked in Minneapolis as a truck driver and as a security guard in a restaurant, but it is not clear when he was employed.

Five stints in jail. Armed home invasion with resident held at gunpoint.
George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online

How would the police know about the past when first confronting George Floyd?
 

How would these officers know about any past experiences when initially confronting George Floyd? But the real key to this comment concerns restraint techniques. If having multiple officers kneeling on a suspect with one keeping his full weight on the neck for nine minutes isn't excessive I'd sure like to hear what it would have to be in order to be classified as excessive.

It amazes me that anyone thinks that a criminal past has anything to do with this situation. No person, regardless of their past (or present), should be subjected to a death sentence by a cop when the person was fully subdued by handcuffs and four armed policemen. Floyd presented zero risk to these officers.

I am normally one to give the police the benefit of the doubt, but this case is so cut and dried that it saddens me that fellow Villagers can see it in any other way.

Yep, sorry. That was just the mother of his child. She must have a great job.

He did work as a security guard part time for many years, with the policeman that killed him. Some history with these guys?

It is an independant autopsy, because it was ordered by a private individual rather than the one the city coroner uses. We all saw what happened. Even if the victim had high BP or a bad heart, or whatever, he was alive and fine 10 minutes before his neck was compressed for 8 minutes.

Why should a spouse be judged by what their spouse does?

PERFECTLY summed up. :thumbup:

of course they are. That is the narrative they want. The truth be damned.

First Responders Warned About Accidental Fentanyl Exposure

Did any of you read the autopsy results from Hennepin County that said that George Floyd had "contributing factors" of Fentanyl and Methamphetamine intoxicant".

I do think that the police officers were negligent but I still support the knee on neck procedure for them to use when a person is strongly resisting arrest.

I think it is wrong to prejudge groups of people such as police officers and people who are addicted to drugs AND I think we still will hear many more FACTS about all of this sad incident, BUT I doubt no matter WHAT we learn, most people will NOT change their mind.

I think most of the terrible things that have happened are because of all of our unrealistic expectations of almost all people as a society. I do think that if a person has been investigated for issues with excessive force more than twice he/she should be fired THEN and I do believe that someone that has been sentenced to prison four times is not a good upstanding citizen but should not die from hatred and negligence. I think that drug addiction and all of the things that are related to it are one of the underlying factors for much of felony crime...and I don't know what the hell we as a society can do to stop it.

I don't think ANY of the horrible things are as simple as some people make them.

I know that again, when I smile at many black people who I will run into for many years, they will not smile back. That in itself is very, very, sad and troubling.

Absolutely right except your last sentence. None of us were there. But yes, it LOOKS bad. No cop has the right to be an executioner.

Floyd also tested positive for the Coronavirus in his system.

Proof?????

It was on the news today that he tested positive for Coronavirus in early April. He also tested positive for Fentanyl and Meth.

I read that just this morning and I will link it because it was a reliable source. (AP wire) It said he tested positive on APRIL 3rd. and he was asymptomatic...This also from the Hennepin County Coroners report with approval to publish by the family.

Certainly not contributing to his death. (Test for Covid-19)

Here is the link, Doc....Autopsy report shows Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19

I wonder if his death will show up in the Chinese coronavirus statistics as dying from it to puff up the death rate as so many deaths unrelated to the virus have.

Here is the transcript of the 911 call. I had not read it until now. I could not find any mugshots of George Floyd and I asked the browser how things are removed from Bing. You can do the same if you wish. I was surprised how public record can be removed from browser. I bet you will be too. It is troubling to me.

Anyhow, the transcript;

George Floyd: Minneapolis police release 911 call that led to arrest - CNN

The media story is that George Floyd died from asphyxiation—“I can’t breathe”—from a police officer’s knee on his neck. This story is not supported by the autopsy and toxicology reports.
The autopsy report says Floyd died of a heart attack and that no life-threatening injuries were inflicted by police restraint. The medical examiner found no physical evidence to “support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” The toxicology report says that the concentration of Fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was more than three times the fatal dose. Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid. Reports that the coroner ruled Floyd’s death a homicide are incorrect. The word “homicide” does not appear in the report.
As for Floyd’s neck, the autopsy report states there are “no areas of contusion or hemorrhage . . . The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.”
Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD) typically results from fatal drug overdose. The condition results in breathing problems and cardiopulmonary arrest. These were the symptoms that Floyd showed.
The full Coroner Report can be found by clicking on the following link:
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...3700_Floyd.pdf

Hi,
You posted almost exactly the same comments on another thread and I refuted your points but you didn't have the opportunity I guess to respond there. Instead you posted your incomplete and wrong information here. The highlights are that the Medical examiners office of the county listed his cause of death as a HOMICIDE not as a drug death or a cardiac death. A Homicide. For the full reply CLICK HERE and page down to the comment posted at 1:27 PM. I will include the same snip from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office release giving the cause of death.

Please understand that I see how you can be confused by the difference between the descriptive findings on an autopsy and the conclusion as to cause of death. The ME is very aware that the actions of the LEO does not have to leave a physical finding to be the proximate cause of death. Of course all deaths ultimately are from cardiac arrest. The question is why did Mr. Lloyd's heart stop. Answer per the ME, he was a homicide victim.