Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2216558)

Males have varying degrees of masculinity and males have varying degrees of femininity.

Females have varying degrees of femininity and females have varying degrees of masculinity.

How feminine or how masculine one is, does not change their sex.

Drugs and surgery change appearances, does not change XX or XY.

Males are still males and females are still females.

What am I missing??

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2216554)

What is it about the transition process do you think will allow a formerly-female body to now "clean up" against presently-female bodies? Does the transition process redefine bone and muscle structure in some way when going from female to male? The process certainly doesn't appear to redefine those structures when going from male to female.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2216550)

I also feel that transgender males/females shouldn't be competing for teams of the gender that doesn't match their biology. But if they compete in teams that DOES match their biology, then you'll have transgender women - who were born biologically male - competing against men. Tall women with no facial hair, no *****, wearing bras, competing with men. Because they were born with a ***** even though they no longer have one. That makes zero sense.

I'd rather see all sports open up to all genders. No more male teams and female teams. People can be on the teams selected on the merits of their abilities rather than what reproductive organs they were born with, or currently have. Yes, men are typically taller than women. But the average "random tall guy" still can't play basketball as well as the "tall chick with the full 4-year basketball scholarship at UConn."

And many of those college basketball men can't hold a candle to some of the Women Huskies.

So pick your teams with men, women, transgender, cisgender, nonbinary, whatever. If they can do the job, then they're on the team.

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2216558)

Males have varying degrees of masculinity and males have varying degrees of femininity.

Females have varying degrees of femininity and females have varying degrees of masculinity.

How feminine or how masculine one is, does not change their sex.

Drugs and surgery change appearances, does not change XX or XY.

Males are still males and females are still females.

What am I missing??

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2216578)

They should just cover it with the rules against doping and not get into the other stuff.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2216587)

Looking for clarification, please. Doping covers transgender men (women) competing against biological women while taking testosterone. So, I agree that can be handled with doping rules without addressing other things about that issue.

Doping rules do not cover transgender women (men) competing against women, because it is all the other advantages of being a man that make it unfair. So, the transgender women wouldn't be doping, so the other stuff needs to be addressed by stating biological males cannot compete against biological females.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2216563)

As usual, you are not missing anything. But to clarify one point, just as males are not allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other males, females should not be allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other females.

Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2216572)

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2216550)

I'd rather see all sports open up to all genders. No more male teams and female teams. People can be on the teams selected on the merits of their abilities rather than what reproductive organs they were born with, or currently have. Yes, men are typically taller than women. But the average "random tall guy" still can't play basketball as well as the "tall chick with the full 4-year basketball scholarship at UConn."

And many of those college basketball men can't hold a candle to some of the Women Huskies.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2216590)

Probably should be addressed on a case-by-case basis as to men who have become women as body types vary a great deal among athletes from long distance runners to heavy weight lifters. In many cases there probably would not that much difference.

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2216595)

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

:thumbup:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2216594)

I would assume the Oly Committee and colleges and high schools and middle schools will start addressing the juices in bodies. I hope.