Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2216595)

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

:thumbup:

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2216602)

That is so ridiculous. There are very few cases where it would not make much difference.

In running events women's world records are on average 90% as fast as the men's world records and 84.15% as long/high in the jumping events. A fairly big difference... especially if we consider that all the running events are in the range of 2.3% from best to worst.(Sep 15, 2016)

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2216614)

And how many trans people make the Olympics? Very very few in either the Summer or Winter Olympics. And there are many Olympic sports which highlight technical abilities developed over years of experience rather than just physical attributes.

A case-by-case approach would be far easier.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2216617)

Explain how a case by case approach is any easier, much less far easier.
Either there is a reason to have different categories based on biological sex, or there is not. If there is, it is far easier to make the rule to compete against your same sex. If there is no advantage in the sport for either sex, then just have one category. Both of those are far easier than having to go through some analysis for each transgender person that wants to compete against people of a different gender. Maybe "easier" does not mean what you think it means.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2216618)

Again. How many transgender people make the Olympics? Probably very few. Transgender people in sports - Wikipedia.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2216622)

What is your point? I am addressing competitive sports in general. Do your previous comments only apply to the olympics???

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2216624)

Mine do. And it looks like it is just about people who were male running in the Olympics as females.

Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2216513)

Apples to apples.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2216600)

You just cut the number of teams in half, e.g. instead of UConn women's basketball and UConn's men's basket ball you just have UConn basketball. And now not one of those women basketball players gets to be on the team.

Serena Williams, arguably the best women's tennis player of all time played the then 203rd ranked male. Serena lost 6-1. She claimed she played as well as she normally does. Venus then walked on the court and lost 6-2.

You are sadly mistaken if you think UConn women would beat out the even the bottom of the college male starters. I chuckle at your assertion that they couldn't even hold a candle to them.

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2216636)

the only solution is to have trans compete against the other trans, in a category all their own

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2216549)

So you're saying - someone who was born with the female anatomy, grew up that way, but "came out" as a transgender male, getting all the appropriate medical treatment BEFORE entering Olympic trials - including breast removal, hysterectomy, and hormone treatment to produce more masculine traits including lowering of voice and facial hair growth..

They should be trying out in the WOMENS' Olympics trials. Because he was born female and that's how you want it to be. Right?

I mean he's stronger, taller, has facial hair, no longer has a woman's reproductive system, or breast tissue. His hormonal balance is now that of a natural-born man, nothing more, he's not taking "extra" hormones but rather - hormone replacement. Just like a woman going through menopause takes hormone replacement. Except this one is for men, not women. But he'll be competing as a woman.

Because that's what you want.

I say - okay. That's fine.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2216525)

I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care.