Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2216851)

I'm saying it has to go both ways, and the wording of the laws is unfair and discriminatory. It's saying that transgender WOMEN - only - should not be allowed to join women-only teams. It says nothing about transgender MEN not being allowed to join men-only teams.

If you want to say "transgender people should not be able to join cis-gender teams, but we will have mixed teams and/or transgender-only teams" then that's fine. But singling out transgender women is - discriminatory. By definition.

Regardless of WHY. I even agree with the sentiment. But it's a sticky wicket - what about natural born hermaphrodites? There are humans born with both male and female gonads, raised as male, but not exclusively male. They are also female. Which team would THEY play on? Or should they be excluded from playing on ANY team?

There are also intersex folks - they have a p..e.n..is (can't use a normal scientific word on a forum whose membership is comprised of adults - that's just so pathetic), but they also have ovaries. Or they might have a v.a..gin-a (again) but the musculature and hormones of a man. Or other odd mutations of the reproductive system that makes them neither male, nor female, but a little of both. Which team do THEY get to play on? Or should they also be excluded from playing on ANY team?

This is why it's an issue. Not because these folks want to play "as male/female" on a team. But because - their physiology puts them in an awkward position. They want to play sports. There's no reason to deprive them of the opportunity to play sports. But where do you put them? ALL of them. Not just the trans-women.

Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2216462)

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2216706)

Given that females are going to lose scholarships to trans females, one would think the vast majority of real females would be rather upset as to where this is going.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2216851)

I'm saying it has to go both ways, and the wording of the laws is unfair and discriminatory. It's saying that transgender WOMEN - only - should not be allowed to join women-only teams. It says nothing about transgender MEN not being allowed to join men-only teams.

If you want to say "transgender people should not be able to join cis-gender teams, but we will have mixed teams and/or transgender-only teams" then that's fine. But singling out transgender women is - discriminatory. By definition.

Regardless of WHY. I even agree with the sentiment. But it's a sticky wicket - what about natural born hermaphrodites? There are humans born with both male and female gonads, raised as male, but not exclusively male. They are also female. Which team would THEY play on? Or should they be excluded from playing on ANY team?

There are also intersex folks - they have a p..e.n..is (can't use a normal scientific word on a forum whose membership is comprised of adults - that's just so pathetic), but they also have ovaries. Or they might have a v.a..gin-a (again) but the musculature and hormones of a man. Or other odd mutations of the reproductive system that makes them neither male, nor female, but a little of both. Which team do THEY get to play on? Or should they also be excluded from playing on ANY team?

This is why it's an issue. Not because these folks want to play "as male/female" on a team. But because - their physiology puts them in an awkward position. They want to play sports. There's no reason to deprive them of the opportunity to play sports. But where do you put them? ALL of them. Not just the trans-women.

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2216866)

In 72 years I have made the acquaintance of three transgender people. There are not so many of them in the world as to justify all the concern and hot air expended over them.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2216869)

This whole matter only applies to men who have had a sex change running against women in the Summer Olympics.
World Rankings | Women's Overall Ranking

I would bet most men runners would have a hard time competing with these women unless they had the same kind of training, commitment to their sport and experience.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2216870)

Isn't it the case today that women can try out for men's teams? Less likely to succeed due to the difference in body structure but still allowed? At the same time, it isn't the case that men can try out for women's teams, right?

The discrimination you point out is in place today - we call it protecting women's sports.

What happens in someone's brain, the gender that feels comfortable to them or the sex of those they feel attracted to, doesn't determine their physical characteristics. It is the physical characteristics of a biological male that makes it harmful to allow them to compete in a women's sport. That seems to me to be a pretty fair dividing line.

Handle other edge cases as they come up. Today, the issue is trans-women. Today, biological women are being harmed when biological men are allowed to compete in women's sports. Solve today's problem today.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2216938)

Except that recent polls have shown that 25% of HS students now identify as LGBT(etc). It seems to be a new trend... Personally, I think it's due to social media...

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2216946)

Oh, puhleese — that is a ridiculous statement……

Please cite your source.

Boomer

Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2216462)

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2216946)

Oh, puhleese — that is a ridiculous statement……

Please cite your source.

Boomer