Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1981453)

Please provide proof that I'm "against anything and everything anyone suggests".
You don't know me to paint me with such a broad brush.

Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1981457)

Swine Flu (H1N1) was declared a pandemic in the spring of 2009. By December of that year they had developed a traditional vaccine and were starting to administer it. That's because Swine Flu was related to other flus that humans get. It had the same components. Not so with COVID. They had to try something new. They're still figuring it out and you can see that in the CDC's backtracking, contradictions, corrections, and do-overs for the past year.

All this new study has done is create more uncertainty, confusion and distrust. Now the unvaccinated think, "why bother getting vaccinated if my old auntie is fully vaxxed and still got it anyway?"

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1981472)

Covid is not an influenza virus. "Flu" is short for "influenza virus." COVID-19 is short for "COronaVIrus Disease."

The veterinarian who wrote his treatise warning against the vaccine - if you were actually paying attention around the time that was written - was mostly referring to the concept that in order for a vaccine against COVID-19 to be effective, MOST people need to be vaccinated. There was no way to develop, AND test, AND manufacture, AND distribute a vaccine for COVID-19 in time for "most" people to be immunized.

That meant the virus would have had a LOT of time to mutate.

He was absolutely spot-on right, in that. But it wasn't because people COULDN'T vaccinate in time. It's because they CHOSE not to vaccinate in time.

The warnings were coming from everywhere - you get vaccinated as soon as you are eligible, as soon as the vaccine is available to you. If you don't, the virus can mutate.

Too many people said "screw that, I'll take my chances." And the virus did EXACTLY as predicted: it mutated.

If people took the "herd immunity" concept more seriously THEN, the virus wouldn't have had the opportunity to mutate NOW.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1981472)

Covid is not an influenza virus. "Flu" is short for "influenza virus." COVID-19 is short for "COronaVIrus Disease."

The veterinarian who wrote his treatise warning against the vaccine - if you were actually paying attention around the time that was written - was mostly referring to the concept that in order for a vaccine against COVID-19 to be effective, MOST people need to be vaccinated. There was no way to develop, AND test, AND manufacture, AND distribute a vaccine for COVID-19 in time for "most" people to be immunized.

That meant the virus would have had a LOT of time to mutate.

He was absolutely spot-on right, in that. But it wasn't because people COULDN'T vaccinate in time. It's because they CHOSE not to vaccinate in time.

The warnings were coming from everywhere - you get vaccinated as soon as you are eligible, as soon as the vaccine is available to you. If you don't, the virus can mutate.

Too many people said "screw that, I'll take my chances." And the virus did EXACTLY as predicted: it mutated.

If people took the "herd immunity" concept more seriously THEN, the virus wouldn't have had the opportunity to mutate NOW.

Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1981484)

The common cold is also a coronavirus but I get your meaning. The way I understood his theory was that because the vaccine was specific to the spike protein in COVID the body's immune response would be vulnerable to not only the variants but other illnesses because the COVID vaccine is so powerful it overwhelms everything else. I don't think we've seen that yet, however, we aren't in cold and flu season.

Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1981455)

Actually, if you understand how gain of function research has occurred in the past, you would know that they insert a polybasic furin cleavage site into a virus. They do this so that a protease can come along and snip the receptor binding domain off the viral genome which allows the viral payload to be inserted into the cell.

There are 13 documented occurrences of this on various other viruses.

They used a polybasic furin cleavage site with a proline, two arginines and an Alanine. PRRA.

PRRA has high affinity for human tissues which is why it is a good insert for gain of function.

PRRA is not found in animal models like bats, pangolins or most of everything that isn't humanized because their systems don't code for a protease like humans do.

There are no bat ancestor genomes with a polybasic furin cleavage site with PRRA. In fact, that probably would not occur in nature because it would make it harder for the virus to propagate in bat tissues.

Sars-Cov2 has a polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA. Is that proof it came from a lab? without someone admitting they did that, no, not exactly. It's a smoking gun though.

It is the exact sequence used in gain of function. We know bat genomes were used at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We know the Bat lady, Shi was using that exact sequence in gain of function research.

When you are in North America and you hear hoofbeats, you don't think zebras.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1981471)

Please provide proof that he doesn't know you to paint you with such a broad brush.
Please provide proof that he wants to paint you at all.
Please provide proof that he has a brush.

Your turn.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1981548)

I see we hit a new record in Florida - 21,000 cases.

For those that like to use common sense, what does getting a record number of cases while performing half as many tests imply? (We are down from 90,000 tests to 48,000 tests per day)

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1981585)

Looks like we will be reaching herd immunity quicker…

Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1981495)

You seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject. As you probably know, Sars-Cov1 did have an animal intermediary, as did MERS. They've never found the animal this time even though the Chinese claimed they had only to be refuted and exposed by other scientists. The genome sequence needs to be almost as exact match and the closest they ever got was 96%.

The Chinese were present when they did the gain of function research at Univ. of North Carolina lab where they successfully infected HeLa cells (human cells) with horseshoe bat coronavirus. So the Chinese just continued on with it in Wuhan, along with other bioweapons research. Although virus escapes have happened, this was no accident. Not with the timing of it and then the elaborate cover up and lies by the Chinese. As late as mid-January, at least two months after the first COVID case, knowing full well what was happening in their country they still permitted travel abroad.

Nice "business partners", eh?

Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1981440)

Because maybe much is still unknown about this virus because it was made in a lab? That's why a traditional vaccine couldn't be created for it so they had to go the experimental route and take some chances. Maybe the virus won't behave in the same way a virus from a naturally occurring source would?

Actually, no maybes about it. Those are actual reasons why.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1981548)

I see we hit a new record in Florida - 21,000 cases.

For those that like to use common sense, what does getting a record number of cases while performing half as many tests imply? (We are down from 90,000 tests to 48,000 tests per day)